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(LA Times)   Lane splitting LA motorcyclist says he's doing a public service and you couldn't hit him if you tried   (latimes.com) divider line 214
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2013-01-19 06:14:10 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: You're an asshole for driving 160, asshole. At that speed, it's not just your dumb ass on the line, asshole. And don't even try to argue that 160 mph is a 'safespeed', either...asshole.


I wonder if calling me an asshole feels as good to you as scaring the shiat out of criminally inattentive drivers does to me?
 
2013-01-19 06:14:41 PM  

Z-clipped: Clutch2013: Yeah...no. They're lucky. Lucky that I (and the other guy, thankfully) had the wherewithal to keep the wheels straight, and not panic

Driving sounds like an activity that you're not particularly suited for. Maybe you should get a bus pass or something.


Where are you going that requires you to do double (at minimum) the speed limit? Care to tell me?
 
2013-01-19 06:19:30 PM  
Really? I had no idea that being a douche-bag was a public service.
 
2013-01-19 06:21:00 PM  

Z-clipped:
I wonder if calling me an asshole feels as good to you as scaring the shiat out of criminally inattentive drivers does to me?


"Douche" and "retard" work well, too.

Look, bro, you wanna drive fast, more power to ya. Just do at the track. Drive according to posted regulations when on the road.
 
2013-01-19 06:21:17 PM  
Z-clipped has to be a troll. No-one can actually claim that it is ok to do 120+MPH in a 55MPH zone, and still be all rightous about other people being bad drivers because they don't anticipate him being there.
 
2013-01-19 06:21:28 PM  

xanadian: Pud: Motorcyclist used to do that a lot when I was in California. During that time I would ride when the weather permitted, but I just never did the lane splitting thing. I do remember one time someone a few cars ahead of me threw coffee out the window just as the rider was passing them and hit him right in the face guard. I couldn't help but think that was intentional.

And illegal. And a very good chance of getting road raged. It's like when people get behind the wheel, they think it's like the internet. Anonymity ends where enmity begins.


I don't lane split. I did see some lady try to screw with the wrong cyclist though. Guy turned out to be in a 1%'er gang. Let's just say that the lady found out "cages" aren't that safe. They never could prove it was the gang that lit her car on fire, with her in it. I doubt she ever tried to kill / injure another cyclist in the future. Yes she lived through it. Her car, no it did not survive in a drivable condition.

I live and let live. I don't try to start anything, and only respond when some nutter nearly kills me. Then again, I tend to call the lawyer. I know I'd be unable to actually maim someone and feel good later without a real good reason.
 
2013-01-19 06:23:51 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Hey, jerkoff, speed limits apply to bikes, too.


Do you ever drive over the speed limit?
 
2013-01-19 06:24:28 PM  
You know all those stereotypes about assholes who think its cool to do 160 on a highway? Z-clipped appears to meet the entire checklist.
 
2013-01-19 06:25:49 PM  

Repo Man: wiseolddude: I would never split lanes when I am riding. I have seen too many Russian dash cam videos.

You might change your mind if you are stuck in a parking lot on a hot freeway, and you begin seeing other guys on motorcycles cruising right past you. Going fifteen to twenty MPH isn't very fast, but it's a lot faster than a dead stop.


Those aren't the ones who are the problem, or that I have a beef with. It's the crotch-rocketeers that blaze down between lanes at 90 mph when traffic is still moving along nicely at 70.
 
2013-01-19 06:26:55 PM  

BadReligion: Z-clipped has to be a troll


What Z-clipped's bike might look like:
badgertronics.com
 
2013-01-19 06:28:48 PM  

BadReligion: Z-clipped has to be a troll. No-one can actually claim that it is ok to do 120+MPH in a 55MPH zone, and still be all rightous about other people being bad drivers because they don't anticipate him being there.


He's no troll. He's a two-wheeled master of the road with the reflexes of a ninja and the ability to avoid any and all situations, so nothing like this ever happens to him.

/In other words, he'll be on YouTube someday
 
2013-01-19 06:30:49 PM  

Z-clipped: Sin_City_Superhero: Hey, jerkoff, speed limits apply to bikes, too.

Do you ever drive over the speed limit?


Are you gonna try to pretend that me doing 5 mph over the speed limit is the same thing as you doing 100 mph over? Cause, guess what...I don't speed. I have a track-day car, and I drive fast in it, on track-days, on the racetrack.
 
2013-01-19 06:31:25 PM  

Z-clipped: Sin_City_Superhero: Hey, jerkoff, speed limits apply to bikes, too.

Do you ever drive over the speed limit?


Sorry z-clipped, you don't get to brag about speeding past people at 160 (or whatever your bike can really do) and then pull the old "but everyone speeds" defense. No, only idiots drive at those types of speeds. As a fellow motorcyclist, you are making us look bad.
 
2013-01-19 06:33:34 PM  
MakerGrey
Wait. So Fark hates bicycles but motorcycles are okay? Got it. Geez, you'd think after six years I'd have figured out the pure logic and reason behind Fark preferences.

Farkers on average hate bikes because they either slow down traffic or because some of the silk wearing community that generally travel in packs can be arrogant bastards.

Motorcycles don't slow traffic, and even when occasionally driving like idiots are still badass and usually only a threat to themselves..
 
2013-01-19 06:37:22 PM  

Z-clipped: Sin_City_Superhero: You're an asshole for driving 160, asshole. At that speed, it's not just your dumb ass on the line, asshole. And don't even try to argue that 160 mph is a 'safespeed', either...asshole.

I wonder if calling me an asshole feels as good to you as scaring the shiat out of criminally inattentive drivers does to me?


It is hilarious how much of a tool you are. I'm fine with lane-splitting, but don't act like ridinga motorcycle makes you an exceptional operator.

/Be safe out there; more lives are on the line than your own.
 
2013-01-19 06:39:39 PM  

Z-clipped:

Fine by me. Don't. In fact, don't pay me any courtesy at all. I'll happily be the thunderous noise that blows by you at 160, and makes you spill hot coffee on your crotch. You don't respect me? I don't respect you.


No one respects you as a person.
 
2013-01-19 06:40:31 PM  

Repo Man: Leishu: lordargent: Oznog: We don't check for a slim, faster-moving incoming bike 3 cars back between lanes.

When you say "We", you really mean "all of the people who don't check for motorcycles" and not "everyone that drives".

Because "We" do check for motorcycles.

// IMO, there's a lot of people that shouldn't be on the road driving to begin with, those are the "We" you're referring to. Hell, some of them don't even bother checking for CARS, let alone motorcycles. YMMV according to state.

// I don't tailgate, I use my signals, I added wide angles to my side view mirrors so I can easily check lanes for cars/motorcycles, I don't run lights, etc ... but I speed like a motherfarker!

Pretty much.

A good driver checks for everything on the road. EVERYTHING, regardless of its size, or its state of motion, should be paid attention to as long as there's the slightest chance that your vehicle can make contact with it. It's really not that hard,

And that's why I always use my turn signals. I lived for years without a car, relying on bicycles and motorcycles for transportation. So many times people would change lanes, never see me, and as they didn't think there was anyone around, they didn't bother to use their turn signal (that's being charitable, I'm sure some of them were the type of slobs who just couldn't be bothered under any circumstance). If you always use your signals for lane changes, at least the person you didn't/couldn't see has some warning. They are there, it costs you nothing, use them!


Of course, that's the other half.

Being a good driver can be summed up in two steps, no matter what you drive:

1. Be predictable.
2. Pay attention.
 
2013-01-19 06:44:17 PM  

dj_bigbird: Lane splitting is legal here in CA, it's a great way to deal with heavy traffic. And, it's safer.


This.

When cars are moving ~7 mph on the 405, motorcyclists are safe moving in and out of lanes. Plus, it's LEGAL for motorcyclists to "share lanes" with cars and other bikes.
 
2013-01-19 06:45:52 PM  
I'll just leave this bit of Web 0.1.1 lane-splitting video here...

www.fastlaner.org
 
2013-01-19 06:46:07 PM  

BadReligion: No-one can actually claim that it is ok to do 120+MPH in a 55MPH zone, and still be all rightous about other people being bad drivers because they don't anticipate him being there.


I claimed neither of these things.

It's not OK to go 120 in a 55. It's also not OK to go 65 in a 55, or text while you're driving, or let your attention wander, or eat, or talk on a phone, or put on makeup. But an overwhelming number of people do those things, despite the fact that it puts my life in imminent danger. So since the vast majority of you don't give a fark about me, I'm going to drive as I please. Based on your obvious disregard for anything outside of your micro-universes, it's a fair assumption that if your vehicle were nimble enough and fast enough to reliably obviate the highway patrol, you'd already be doing the same thing.

Moreover, I'm not angry at drivers anymore. I've stopped concerning myself with their disrespectful behavior. I don't ask that they anticipate me. In fact, I've specifically stated the opposite. I don't hit them, and I no longer give them the opportunity to hit me. I'm just pointing out the wild, insane hypocrisy of people getting their panties in a wad about motorcyclists legally lane-splitting when they constantly go out of their way to deliberately create distractions for themselves instead of paying attention to the road, which causes them to make hundreds of driving errors every hour that pose no danger to themselves, but could easily kill a motorcyclist. The sheer volume of entitlement and rationalization at work is frankly baffling.
 
2013-01-19 06:51:32 PM  

Leishu: Repo Man: Leishu: lordargent: Oznog:

Being a good driver can be summed up in two steps, no matter what you drive:

1. Be predictable.
2. Pay attention.

3. Assume everyone else is drunk, armed, and fleeing from a bank robbery.
 
2013-01-19 06:53:49 PM  

Z-clipped: The sheer volume of entitlement and rationalization at work is frankly baffling.


I couldn't agree more...
 
2013-01-19 06:57:24 PM  

crotchgrabber:
Moral of the story: bike, car, motorcycle... it's usually the assholes fault.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-19 06:57:47 PM  

Z-clipped: It's not OK to go 120 in a 55. It's also not OK to go 65 in a 55, or text while you're driving, or let your attention wander, or eat, or talk on a phone, or put on makeup. But an overwhelming number of people do those things, despite the fact that it puts my life in imminent danger. So since the vast majority of you don't give a fark about me, I'm going to drive as I please. Based on your obvious disregard for anything outside of your micro-universes, it's a fair assumption that if your vehicle were nimble enough and fast enough to reliably obviate the highway patrol, you'd already be doing the same thing.

Moreover, I'm not angry at drivers anymore. I've stopped concerning myself with their disrespectful behavior. I don't ask that they anticipate me. In fact, I've specifically stated the opposite. I don't hit them, and I no longer give them the opportunity to hit me. I'm just pointing out the wild, insane hypocrisy of people getting their panties in a wad about motorcyclists legally lane-splitting when they constantly go out of their way to deliberately create distractions for themselves instead of paying attention to the road, which causes them to make hundreds of driving errors every hour that pose no danger to themselves, but could easily kill a motorcyclist. The sheer volume of entitlement and rationalization at work is frankly baffling.

 
2013-01-19 06:57:58 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Cause, guess what...I don't speed.


Never? Really?

Pincy: Sorry z-clipped, you don't get to brag about speeding past people at 160 (or whatever your bike can really do)


To be honest, that one part of my argument was hyperbole, designed to provoke a reaction from someone who was being an idiot. The rest though, I make no apology for. I do flout traffic laws quite a lot, and I definitely speed more than most people on the road, but I don't actually go out of my way to frighten anyone. I do provoke police from time to time, but they generally have it coming. And my bike does about 190 at the top end, if you really care.
 
2013-01-19 07:00:50 PM  

FizixJunkee: dj_bigbird: Lane splitting is legal here in CA, it's a great way to deal with heavy traffic. And, it's safer.

This.

When cars are moving ~7 mph on the 405, motorcyclists are safe moving in and out of lanes. Plus, it's LEGAL for motorcyclists to "share lanes" with cars and other bikes.


Yep.

I sit in stop&go traffic three days a week on the south 101/5, and get passed by lane-splitting bikes all the time. They might as well, because there's no danger to either them or to the cars. The CARS aren't going fast enough to swerve into them; and they don't even have room to suddenly drop into the main traffic lane--that's why they're splitting lanes in the first place. And in 20+ years of living down here, I've never seen a bike hit in heavy traffic.

And I'd point out that when things start moving faster than 30 mph, there's no need for a bike to be lane splitting anyway, or even be able to. Lane-splitting by definition means that traffic is practically stopped; so if traffic is moving at all, bikes can't be legally lane-splitting--what they're doing is weaving between cars. Illegally, and probably drunkenly.
 
2013-01-19 07:03:43 PM  

Z-clipped: I do flout traffic laws quite a lot, and I definitely speed more than most people on the road, but I don't actually go out of my way to frighten anyone. I do provoke police from time to time, but they generally have it coming.



Yet YOU'RE the safe one. Riiiight. I'll let you in on a little secret...YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM.
 
2013-01-19 07:06:01 PM  

Tourney3p0: No one respects you as a person.


My point exactly. I wasn't considered a person when I was driving legally and defensively. Why should I care what they think of how I drive now? If sending a text while you're driving is more important to you than paying enough attention to avoid killing me, what obligation do I have to you at all?
 
2013-01-19 07:10:05 PM  

Z-clipped:
If sending a text while you're driving is more important to you than paying enough attention to avoid killing me, what obligation do I have to you at all?


I see. So you only drive 160 mph, flouting traffic laws, and provoking cops when you're around drivers that are distracted. Good to know. I feel much safer sharing the road with you now. Thanks for setting my mind at ease.
 
2013-01-19 07:16:44 PM  

susler: lordargent: Oznog: We don't check for a slim, faster-moving incoming bike 3 cars back between lanes.

When you say "We", you really mean "all of the people who don't check for motorcycles" and not "everyone that drives".

Because "We" do check for motorcycles.!

Yes and No. I always check the blind spot and, being a former rider, for motorcycles. I've still had situations where I didn't see the bike.

They can be difficult to see, particularly at night and if they aren't all splitting safely.


The trees of Michigan, just exactly the right height.
 
2013-01-19 07:16:57 PM  
Even as a regular motorcycle rider and commuter, lane splitters make me nervous, particularly the ones that are going significantly faster than regular traffic. Not for own safety, but that I will feel guilty after I splatter you.

Keep the speed difference to a minimum please!
 
2013-01-19 07:17:51 PM  

Gyrfalcon: And in 20+ years of living down here, I've never seen a bike hit in heavy traffic.


I've only lived in LA for 7 years, but during that time I've never seen an accident involving a motorcycle, and I've never had any incidents or "near misses" with any motorcycle, either. Perhaps because the riders I've seen have been good drivers---even the ones who share/split lanes---I have zero issue with them.

I can't say the same thing about other motorists in cars, though. Other car drivers scare the bejeezus out of me.

\I've been nearly hit several times crossing the street at a marked cross walk when I had permission to cross.
\\Car drivers only seem to watch out for other cars and completely forget to look for pedestrians and cyclists
\\\if car drivers don't notice people walking at cross walks, then they probably don't notice folks on motorcycles, either.
 
2013-01-19 07:18:48 PM  

Snargi: dickfreckle: There's a reason it's legal in California...it makes sense.

Just because something is legal in California doesn't mean it makes sense.


Or illegal. See: marijuana prohibition.
 
2013-01-19 07:20:38 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Yet YOU'RE the safe one.


No, I manage risk, which is different. Mostly, I attempt to minimize your inattentiveness as a factor by giving you less of a window in which to do something unexpected that would affect me. That usually means moving faster than you, for starters. It also means that I don't wait behind you unless I absolutely have to. I think ahead, and take the quickest, safest line around you. Sometimes that means I get closer to you than you might be comfortable with, but 99 times out of a hundred, I'm clear of you long before you have time to react to me.

The other benefit of being the fastest thing on the road is that it reduces the number of things I have to anticipate by half.

Sin_City_Superhero: YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM.


So are you, if you have a problem with what the guy wrote in TFA. This isn't a "won't somebody please think of the bikers" article. He's basically saying the same thing I am: Keep calm, drive normally, and don't get butthurt because you got passed by a motorcycle that was lane-splitting. Don't panic. Everything will be OK.
 
2013-01-19 07:27:32 PM  

lordargent: Fo Shiz : So these donorcyclists who split lanes at 80 are breaking the law?

In CA it's legal if (IIRC) the traffic is moving at less than 40 MPH.

If traffic is moving over 40MPH it's illegal even in CA. The idea being that air cooled bikes would overheat in stop and go traffic (also, with the way monkeys drive in stop and go traffic, I don't even want to be in the lane in a car).

// I ride way to the left of the #1 lane to give them plenty of space to pass through, unless I'm going at the CA standard speed range (65-85), you've got to be nuts to try lane splitting at those speeds.


Link
 
2013-01-19 07:30:09 PM  

Z-clipped: Welcome to the thread where a bunch of automobile drivers stop willfully ignoring the presence and safety of motorcyclists just long enough to wag their fingers at them for "dangerous behavior" while simultaneously texting, putting on makeup, eating a Big Mac, posting to Fark, and disciplining their crotchfruit in the back seat.

And all because they're butthurt that someone who chose to drive a smaller vehicle is able to pass them in a traffic jam.

As someone who has ridden all year every year, for two decades: Please, please... just shut the hell up and go back to ignoring me. After all these years of learning how to survive your indifference, entitlement, and stupidity, I now find it preferable.


This argument implies that we're defending texting, putting on makeup, or eating a cheeseburger.  We are advocating the "same road, same rules"concept.

When I change lanes, I look to see that the lane I'm switching to is clear.  What you're advocating is akin to me crossing two lanes of traffic every time I need to move over.  It's completely asinine.

I'f i'm at a sop, I don't give a fark.  When I'm doing 60 on the highway I'd really prefer to not be what you run into when I change lanes, causing me to wait for the police, make a statement, exchange insurance info, get sued, etc. because you feel entitled to s separate set of farking rules.

It has NOTHING to do with jealousy.  It has everything to do with a uniform, predictable flow of traffic.
 
2013-01-19 07:31:13 PM  

Z-clipped: Mostly, I attempt to minimize your inattentiveness as a factor


So, when you're coming up behind me at 70 mph faster than I'm traveling, just exactly HOW can you tell that I'm inattentive?
 
2013-01-19 07:31:40 PM  
Author will stain the pavement once his ego inflates a little more. Its inevitable, having writing like that.

I guess he's never seen the photos.
 
2013-01-19 07:38:06 PM  
Z-clipped, you have admitted to driving 160 mph, flouting traffic laws, provoking cops, etc. This is illegal, irresponsible, self-entitled and unsafe behavior. I hope that your license is suspended, and you realize that driving is a priviledge, not a right.
 
2013-01-19 07:56:21 PM  
Funny thing about all these riders claiming car drivers shouldn't care about how they ride their bikes because, hey, it's their life and they'll "take responsibility for it"...

The first thing one of them (or their next of kin) will do the second they have a serious accident is lawyer up and sue the bejeezus out of anyone and everyone involved.

Run your mouth off about your super skills and personal responsibility, then show them a summons when you screw up and deny, deny, deny. Cuz that's the motherfarkin' American way.
 
2013-01-19 08:01:46 PM  

Z-clipped: Tourney3p0: No one respects you as a person.

My point exactly. I wasn't considered a person when I was driving legally and defensively.


The lack of respect for you as a person has absolutely nothing to do with what other people do.

Just.. wow.
 
2013-01-19 08:07:46 PM  

doyner: flucto: Beerguy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GH8D2EqDZs

Blame seems pretty clear in that one.

The guy crossing double yellow lines plus solid white, or the guy traveling at 10 times the speed of other traffic?


i cant speak for California, but in jersey its not illegal to cross a double white line (or a solid white line) unless there is a sign specifically stating so. Example: in the lincoln tunnel it says "stay in your lane" so crossing that solid line would be prohibited. Otherwise, it is fully legal.
From what i read in the comments above, lane splitting is legal in CA but you must remain below 30 mph. was this cyclist going less then 30? I cant say. My perception is a bit skewed by the fact that he;s flying down a canyon of cars thru a path maybe 5-6 feet wide. But if I had to guess I'd say he was going above it. All of this tells me the cyclist is at fault here. well partially at fault. Morally he's 100% at fault in my book.
 
2013-01-19 08:22:49 PM  
Meh. Anybody who wants to kill his or herself on the road is welcome to do so, as long as it doesn't involve me or delay my travel.

This applies equally to dickhead ricers, fat douches crushing their nuts on a Harley (not that they were getting much use anyway, judging by the guts on most of the reliving-youth types around here), and scared old ladies reflex braking/swerving every time a leaf blows across the highway a half mile ahead.

The farking prize of this week appeared today: a sausage-fingered, costume jewelry- and fake nail clad, leggings-splitting piece of spectacular white trash swerving her 2005 Chrysler Town and Country in and out of the left lane doing 85 while yapping on her cell phone. New York plate "SUPRMOM", I hope you enjoy watching the DOT picking your three child seats out of trees and guardrails.
 
2013-01-19 08:26:16 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Z-clipped, you have admitted to driving 160 mph, flouting traffic laws, provoking cops, etc. This is illegal, irresponsible, self-entitled and unsafe behavior. I hope that your license is suspended, and you realize that driving is a priviledge, not a right.


Eh I hope he just farks up, wrecks, and dies. Is that wrong?
 
2013-01-19 08:27:41 PM  

Beerguy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GH8D2EqDZs


But the dick in the article said that can't happen!!

/I ride
//Iron Butt Association SS1000 - 2-up
///always been taught to keep open space around me while riding. Lane splitting goes against that.
 
2013-01-19 08:31:19 PM  

doyner: flucto: Beerguy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GH8D2EqDZs

Blame seems pretty clear in that one.

The guy crossing double yellow lines plus solid white, or the guy traveling at 10 times the speed of other traffic?


How many time did the motorcyclist cross the solid double yellow, and white lines while riding?
 
2013-01-19 08:35:27 PM  

pharmacide: Sin_City_Superhero: Z-clipped, you have admitted to driving 160 mph, flouting traffic laws, provoking cops, etc. This is illegal, irresponsible, self-entitled and unsafe behavior. I hope that your license is suspended, and you realize that driving is a priviledge, not a right.

Eh I hope he just farks up, wrecks, and dies. Is that wrong?


Yes. That is wrong. He shouldn't die...yet. He should survive on life-support, just long enough to bankrupt his entire family, so that none of them can afford a vehicle, thereby keeping them off the roads.
 
2013-01-19 08:38:47 PM  
Here in CA you also get points for style....

i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-19 09:05:23 PM  

Tumunga: doyner: flucto: Beerguy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GH8D2EqDZs

Blame seems pretty clear in that one.

The guy crossing double yellow lines plus solid white, or the guy traveling at 10 times the speed of other traffic?

How many time did the motorcyclist cross the solid double yellow, and white lines while riding?


See, the rules don't apply to them.  So obviously it was the minivan's fault.
 
2013-01-19 09:19:41 PM  

Z-clipped: Sin_City_Superhero: And THAT'S why you're an asshole.

Right. It doesn't matter how much of an asshole everyone else on the road is, or that they would happily kill me to get to Qdoba five minutes earlier. All that matters is that I'M the asshole because I'm doing something you don't approve of.
Enjoy your coffee. Be sure to text your BFF Jill about how good it is.


My uncle's a biker. Been one for almost 40 years. If the man heard you saying this kind of idiotic bullshiat in real life, he'd snap your bike in two and drop it in the river--probably with you on it. If he caught you going 160, first he'd tell you--as he told me the first time he saw me on a motorcycle--they're not speed machines, then he'd laugh his ass off while the cops took care of that extraordinarily reckless driving problem you seem to have.

Personally, I approve of motorcycles. I do not approve of snot-nosed douchenozzles who are, in fact, assholes giving every other individual who choose to ride but is far more mature and responsible a bad name. Try being less of an ass and maybe people won't want to run your sorry ass over.
 
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