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2013-01-19 04:39:28 PM
Lane splitting should be illegal because it's not fair to cars.
 
2013-01-19 04:41:17 PM
Wait. So Fark hates bicycles but motorcycles are okay? Got it. Geez, you'd think after six years I'd have figured out the pure logic and reason behind Fark preferences.
 
2013-01-19 04:44:56 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Idiots ride motor bikes. That is all.


Yeah, I'm going to disagree with that.

Pound for pound you have just as many douchenozzles behind the wheel of a car as you do behind a bike. The bad bikers stand out a bit more.

There are those among us who take great pride in getting from A-B in a safe and "living" manner. I think if you hopped on a bike for a week the amount of issues caused by the 4 wheelers and not the biker will shock you.
 
2013-01-19 04:45:58 PM

MakerGrey: Wait. So Fark hates bicycles but motorcycles are okay? Got it. Geez, you'd think after six years I'd have figured out the pure logic and reason behind Fark preferences.


I'm going to put on my cycling gear and get on my motorcycle.
 
2013-01-19 04:46:12 PM
Enjoy the taste of asphalt, asshole.
 
2013-01-19 04:52:04 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: I'm not taking on extra responsibilities because you make terrible choices in life.


Fine by me. Don't. In fact, don't pay me any courtesy at all. I'll happily be the thunderous noise that blows by you at 160, and makes you spill hot coffee on your crotch. You don't respect me? I don't respect you.
 
2013-01-19 04:52:04 PM

namatad: doyner: IIRC, it doesn't apply to moving traffic.

so bascially, most of the article is about the guy breaking the law?
because how the car driver drives, really doesnt matter if the traffic isnt moving ... LOL

you should get rewards for hitting these people
seriously

/traffic jams, yah, sure probably ok with that .... except that we know that most of these riders are tools of the worst sort .... cyclists with motors !! here me roar


I could agree with rewards for hitting them if you agree that if you try and miss they get to beat you with a bat for 5 swings. Fair?
 
2013-01-19 04:52:08 PM
Leishu: A good driver checks for everything on the road. EVERYTHING, regardless of its size, or its state of motion, should be paid attention to as long as there's the slightest chance that your vehicle can make contact with it. It's really not that hard,

I have friends that complain that it's hard to reach me ... it's because I don't text while in the car.

I used to take calls in the car (I have an earpiece), but I get calls so infrequently that I forget to even charge the damn thing or bring it along. So basically, I am only reachable when I reach a destination.

I get in the car to do one thing and one thing only, drive. No shaving, no hair brushing, no texting, etc. And at the speeds we drive at here in CA, that's a good thing.

I see people drifting around in their lanes or stopping short, and the vast majority of the time, they're chatting on the phone. The DMV tests in this state are far too lax.
 
2013-01-19 04:53:46 PM
The only time I've witnessed this was in a state where it is not legal and sure as hell was not under 30mph. So fark him for putting his life into my hands, I didn't need that brief moment of terror.

/sport bike, with protective gear consisting of shorts, t-shirt, and Timberlands. At least he had a full helmet.
 
2013-01-19 04:54:17 PM
I'm fine with traffic splitting, as long as 100 percent of the liability in case of an accident rests on the cyclist. And the driver of any automobile that collides with a cyclist is immune to any civil lawsuit from the cyclist or his surviving relatives.
 
2013-01-19 04:56:01 PM

Z-clipped: I'll happily be the thunderous noise that blows by you at 160


And THAT'S why you're an asshole.
 
2013-01-19 04:56:39 PM
Meh doesn't bother me at all usually. There are always a few assholes that either do it way too fast or are trying to squeeze their massive bikes through tiny spaces and then get pissy when you can't move your car over quick enough. But most of the time it's not a big deal.
 
2013-01-19 04:59:28 PM
As a NorCal resident I don't have any specific objections, but I wish they would set a single lane for splitting. It's maddening to deal with the dipshiats that think every lane is free game for splitting. Also, the asswipe bikers who think its everyones obligation to clear them a path for the next 10 miles by scooting way over in your lane. Yeah, not impressed by your ability to rev a motorcycle engine tough guy.
 
2013-01-19 05:01:40 PM
Long as a stopped car doesn't open their door I guess.
 
2013-01-19 05:03:08 PM
San Francisco is a pretty good place for riding year-round, which means drivers are used to looking for motorcyclists all the time and don't get "seasonal amnesia" like colder places. I've had more people move to make room for me on the freeway than intentionally block. CHP included. The only time I've been hit by a car was when I got rear-ended at a stop sign. A stopped motorcycle is the most dangerous one to be on.
 
2013-01-19 05:05:24 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Z-clipped: And all because they're butthurt that someone who chose to drive a smaller vehicle is able to pass them in a traffic jam.

I'm not taking on extra responsibilities because you make terrible choices in life.

You'll get the exact same courtesy anybody else does, but if you get run over because you were in my blind spot driving a short, squat vehicle that's not reasonably visible?

Well, sorry you chose to die.


Ignorant-like typing detected. On my bike I'm eye to eye with SUV's, so likely I'm higher than you are. Don't do anything intentionally to screw with me. Odds are you and three buddies couldn't coordinate on purpose to hit me, much less do it on purpose, so just be legal and we'll both be fine.
 
2013-01-19 05:06:24 PM
And drivers complain about asshole bicyclists?
 
2013-01-19 05:08:55 PM

italie: Darth_Lukecash: Idiots ride motor bikes. That is all.

Yeah, I'm going to disagree with that.

Pound for pound you have just as many douchenozzles behind the wheel of a car as you do behind a bike. The bad bikers stand out a bit more.

There are those among us who take great pride in getting from A-B in a safe and "living" manner. I think if you hopped on a bike for a week the amount of issues caused by the 4 wheelers and not the biker will shock you.


In my particular county, you're 30 times more likely per mile to die. 30 times something that doesn't cross your mind is pretty small.
Further, 90% of those had no helmet and 90% didn't take the driving course. Even if they're the same 90, now we're down to 3 times.
Throw in the fact that I'm not the idiot going 150 on the highway, and it might actually be safer on the bike.
 
2013-01-19 05:09:19 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: And THAT'S why you're an asshole.


Right. It doesn't matter how much of an asshole everyone else on the road is, or that they would happily kill me to get to Qdoba five minutes earlier. All that matters is that I'M the asshole because I'm doing something you don't approve of.
Enjoy your coffee. Be sure to text your BFF Jill about how good it is.
 
2013-01-19 05:09:36 PM

Iamos: San Francisco is a pretty good place for riding year-round, which means drivers are used to looking for motorcyclists all the time and don't get "seasonal amnesia" like colder places. I've had more people move to make room for me on the freeway than intentionally block. CHP included. The only time I've been hit by a car was when I got rear-ended at a stop sign. A stopped motorcycle is the most dangerous one to be on.


When I was living up in the bay area years ago, I was driving through the city. Mission was at a complete stand still. I heard a loud thump and looked in my rear view to see a biker laying on my trunk. He was splitting the lane and the ass hat next to me opened his door to block the biker. Dude had to grab his brakes quick and fell sideways onto my car. Biker and I had a good laugh after yelling at the dude who blocked him.

Moral of the story: bike, car, motorcycle... it's usually the assholes fault.
 
2013-01-19 05:10:59 PM
That motorcycle costume rubbish is ghey. All one needs is a pair of dungarees and some hobnail boots.
 
2013-01-19 05:11:25 PM
it's legal, and tears don't change elections, ask the Republican party
 
2013-01-19 05:11:40 PM

ukexpat: Jeez what's the big deal? This is SOP for motorcyclists in the UK.


This. It didn't even occur to me that it might be a "thing" until I read about it being illegal in the US. Another weird law, like having to come to a dead stop at junctions.
So the UK allows bikes to lane split, drivers to drive through junctions without even having to slow down if they can see the way is clear, and yet the roads are safer statistically.
 
2013-01-19 05:12:14 PM

Z-clipped: Welcome to the thread where a bunch of automobile drivers stop willfully ignoring the presence and safety of motorcyclists just long enough to wag their fingers at them for "dangerous behavior" while simultaneously texting, putting on makeup, eating a Big Mac, posting to Fark, and disciplining their crotchfruit in the back seat.

And all because they're butthurt that someone who chose to drive a smaller vehicle is able to pass them in a traffic jam.

As someone who has ridden all year every year, for two decades: Please, please... just shut the hell up and go back to ignoring me. After all these years of learning how to survive your indifference, entitlement, and stupidity, I now find it preferable.


I'm not quite car free (2 young kids) but about 6K of my yearly mileage is on my bike and I couldn't agree more. It really a visceral sense of envy that quickly turns to contempt that I feel from a lot of cagers. It used to bug me, now it just sorta intrigues me for a second and then I go ride more and forget all about it. I just wish we could split here in Iowa. Not that we need to very often, but once in awhile it would come in handy.
 
2013-01-19 05:12:47 PM

Z-clipped: Fine by me. Don't. In fact, don't pay me any courtesy at all. I'll happily be the thunderous noise that blows by you at 160, and makes you spill hot coffee on your crotch. You don't respect me? I don't respect you.


And this would be the reason why people would hate bikers. One douche can spoil it for many others. I don't care how good of a rider you are, you going anything over 90 makes it impossible for someone doing a (legal) lane change to see and account for you.
 
2013-01-19 05:12:51 PM
 
2013-01-19 05:14:18 PM

crotchgrabber: When I was living up in the bay area years ago, I was driving through the city. Mission was at a complete stand still. I heard a loud thump and looked in my rear view to see a biker laying on my trunk. He was splitting the lane and the ass hat next to me opened his door to block the biker. Dude had to grab his brakes quick and fell sideways onto my car. Biker and I had a good laugh after yelling at the dude who blocked him.

Moral of the story: bike, car, motorcycle... it's usually the assholes fault.


True enough. I tend not to split on city streets as they are narrow and far less predictable than freeways. But as always, asshats gotta be asshats.
 
2013-01-19 05:15:16 PM
First time driving in LA and one splits the lane while I'm doing 70 on the 405. Scared the shiat out of me.

I'm fine with it and I'll actually make a deliberate move to give him more room. What pisses me off is the farktards who can't be bothered to say thanks when it's obvious I've given him room. 10% of the riders do that now when seemed like 50% in the past.
 
2013-01-19 05:15:59 PM
 
2013-01-19 05:19:08 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Z-clipped: I'll happily be the thunderous noise that blows by you at 160

And THAT'S why you're an asshole.


THAT.

I've had two very memorable instances on the freeway where a pack of these assholes came within centimeters of taking out my mirrors, if they were lucky. One time, I was thisclose to moving over to the next lane to pass a slower car - if the idiot, who had to be doing all of 120 or 130 in a 55, had arrived about half a second later, they would have been picking pieces of him up off of Route 100 and I'd still be in therapy. The worst part about that one was I had literally no warning. I actually drive when I drive, so I'd checked my blind spots, signaled, re-checked, and was just getting ready to ease the wheel over when I got the holy shiat scared out of me.

Here in Maryland, they have a thing going where they tell other drivers to "Share The Road" with motorcyclists. I laugh at it, and then I start thinking about those two moments and how much more screwed up they could have been.
 
2013-01-19 05:19:38 PM
FTFA: "First I'd like to reassure you that, no matter how much you may fear it, you will not swerve your car sideways and hit me. By the time I invade your space, I've been studying your driving from four cars back. I know if you're on your cellphone or putting on your makeup. I know if you're following too close or lagging behind. I know if you hug to the left or right, or weave. "

This author is truly deranged if he really thinks he is doing this. In gridlock, going 30 mph, he is analyzing every single car's movements and habits as well as checking out the totally obvious awareness levels of the drivers through a tinted helmet and through tinted windows. Learn to lie better dipshiat.
 
2013-01-19 05:20:15 PM

Z-clipped: Sin_City_Superhero: And THAT'S why you're an asshole.

Right. It doesn't matter how much of an asshole everyone else on the road is, or that they would happily kill me to get to Qdoba five minutes earlier. All that matters is that I'M the asshole because I'm doing something you don't approve of.
Enjoy your coffee. Be sure to text your BFF Jill about how good it is.


You're an asshole for driving 160, asshole. At that speed, it's not just your dumb ass on the line, asshole. And don't even try to argue that 160 mph is a 'safespeed', either...asshole.
 
2013-01-19 05:23:14 PM

Crunch61: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XihQeZpwqpE

/oblig


Arrrrr. F5 is my friend.
 
2013-01-19 05:25:57 PM
I would never split lanes when I am riding. I have seen too many Russian dash cam videos.
 
2013-01-19 05:26:31 PM

the_chief: Lane splitting should be illegal because it's not fair to cars.


...and the trees were all kept equal wth hatchet, ax, and saw...
 
2013-01-19 05:28:20 PM

lordargent: Oznog: We don't check for a slim, faster-moving incoming bike 3 cars back between lanes.

When you say "We", you really mean "all of the people who don't check for motorcycles" and not "everyone that drives".

Because "We" do check for motorcycles.!


Yes and No. I always check the blind spot and, being a former rider, for motorcycles. I've still had situations where I didn't see the bike.

They can be difficult to see, particularly at night and if they aren't all splitting safely.
 
2013-01-19 05:34:13 PM

mjbok: And this would be the reason why people would hate bikers. One douche can spoil it for many others. I don't care how good of a rider you are, you going anything over 90 makes it impossible for someone doing a (legal) lane change to see and account for you.


You're missing the point. I'm saying, I don't care if you account for me. Even if you do, (you personally), the other 99 drivers on the road won't. So don't worry about it. I'll account for YOU. I'm fine with that. Just don't lecture me about safety, and don't get bent out of shape because I'm getting somewhere faster than you, or getting around an obstacle you can't. Just ignore me, and go about your business.

Clutch2013: came within centimeters

Clutch2013: One time, I was thisclose

Clutch2013: if the idiot...had arrived about half a second later

Clutch2013: up they could have been.


So you're saying, nothing awful actually happened?

Clutch2013: I got the holy shiat scared out of me.


Oh, poor baby. Try riding a motorcycle in traffic for 10 minutes. You'd be a weeping mess. Listen, those guys may have seemed like they were rubbing elbows with death to you, but trust me... they're more in control of their vehicles and more aware of time and space than you are. If they weren't 100 times better than you at negotiating the highway, they'd have died a long time ago.
 
2013-01-19 05:35:48 PM

Leishu: lordargent: Oznog: We don't check for a slim, faster-moving incoming bike 3 cars back between lanes.

When you say "We", you really mean "all of the people who don't check for motorcycles" and not "everyone that drives".

Because "We" do check for motorcycles.

// IMO, there's a lot of people that shouldn't be on the road driving to begin with, those are the "We" you're referring to. Hell, some of them don't even bother checking for CARS, let alone motorcycles. YMMV according to state.

// I don't tailgate, I use my signals, I added wide angles to my side view mirrors so I can easily check lanes for cars/motorcycles, I don't run lights, etc ... but I speed like a motherfarker!

Pretty much.

A good driver checks for everything on the road. EVERYTHING, regardless of its size, or its state of motion, should be paid attention to as long as there's the slightest chance that your vehicle can make contact with it. It's really not that hard,


And that's why I always use my turn signals. I lived for years without a car, relying on bicycles and motorcycles for transportation. So many times people would change lanes, never see me, and as they didn't think there was anyone around, they didn't bother to use their turn signal (that's being charitable, I'm sure some of them were the type of slobs who just couldn't be bothered under any circumstance). If you always use your signals for lane changes, at least the person you didn't/couldn't see has some warning. They are there, it costs you nothing, use them!
 
2013-01-19 05:36:59 PM
Since I pay for the roads I like to use them completely. I swerve to make sure I use as much road as possible to get the most bang for my buck.

If you are coming up on a line with my beast bouncing back and forth (nice loose steering), good luck to you. 73 camper special with them BIG OLD MIRRORS that stick out extra far will likely knock you over before you break it off.

We have lanes for a reason. People expect vehicles to be within the lanes unless they are changing lanes. Most other states disagree with California's take on it yet somehow they feel they are right.

I rode a bike for many years and I would never split lanes because I don't trust the folks in cases. You know for a fact they aren't paying attention and you are still willing to risk your safety because you think you can out-stupid them.

We have people trying to careen into bikes when they are simply putting along in their own empty lane.

As an aside, how do insurance companies handle lane splitting? Do they accept the liability or do they tell you that you are SOL when it comes to accidents like that?
 
2013-01-19 05:37:12 PM

Flint Ironstag: ukexpat: Jeez what's the big deal? This is SOP for motorcyclists in the UK.

This. It didn't even occur to me that it might be a "thing" until I read about it being illegal in the US. Another weird law, like having to come to a dead stop at junctions.
So the UK allows bikes to lane split, drivers to drive through junctions without even having to slow down if they can see the way is clear, and yet the roads are safer statistically.


I know its very strange. I filter almost every day on my way to work. If there is space and the traffic isn't moving very much then i stop being part of the traffic jam. Its even a good thing for car drivers if the bikes filter when they can. A recent Belgium study Link proved that if 10% of cars were replaced by bikes the traffic jams would be reduced by 40%.

Its a win win for every one.

/now you can resume the macho posturing
 
2013-01-19 05:38:58 PM

wiseolddude: I would never split lanes when I am riding. I have seen too many Russian dash cam videos.


You might change your mind if you are stuck in a parking lot on a hot freeway, and you begin seeing other guys on motorcycles cruising right past you. Going fifteen to twenty MPH isn't very fast, but it's a lot faster than a dead stop.
 
2013-01-19 05:40:18 PM
Meh, it is legal in California so I do not see the big deal. As for motorists fearing that they might not see the motorcyclist and swerve into him, well, do not fret about it. The obligation is the person passing to avoid hitting the person he is passing. Just be sure to use your turn signal and look in the mirror before making a lane switch. If you do not see him and he hits you then he is one who is at fault. He is passing you.
 
2013-01-19 05:54:05 PM

Z-clipped: mjbok: And this would be the reason why people would hate bikers. One douche can spoil it for many others. I don't care how good of a rider you are, you going anything over 90 makes it impossible for someone doing a (legal) lane change to see and account for you.

You're missing the point. I'm saying, I don't care if you account for me. Even if you do, (you personally), the other 99 drivers on the road won't. So don't worry about it. I'll account for YOU. I'm fine with that. Just don't lecture me about safety, and don't get bent out of shape because I'm getting somewhere faster than you, or getting around an obstacle you can't. Just ignore me, and go about your business.

Clutch2013: came within centimeters
Clutch2013: One time, I was thisclose
Clutch2013: if the idiot...had arrived about half a second later
Clutch2013: up they could have been.

So you're saying, nothing awful actually happened?

Clutch2013: I got the holy shiat scared out of me.

Oh, poor baby. Try riding a motorcycle in traffic for 10 minutes. You'd be a weeping mess. Listen, those guys may have seemed like they were rubbing elbows with death to you, but trust me... they're more in control of their vehicles and more aware of time and space than you are. If they weren't 100 times better than you at negotiating the highway, they'd have died a long time ago.


Yeah...no. They're lucky. Lucky that I (and the other guy, thankfully) had the wherewithal to keep the wheels straight, and not panic after getting passed by not one, not two, but SIX of you hopped up pricks.

There's no reason for you farks to be doing 120 MPH in a 55. None whatsoever. Get an XBox and Midnight Club if you have to scratch that itch. You jagoffs harp all the time about not getting respected on the road, and then pull shiat like this at the first opportunity. Well, from the bottom of my heart, screw you and understand this - the only respect you're getting from me is borne out of legal and moral reasons concerning my well-being, and not because you deserve or earned it.
 
2013-01-19 05:55:21 PM

Some Bass Playing Guy: Z-clipped: Welcome to the thread where a bunch of automobile drivers stop willfully ignoring the presence and safety of motorcyclists just long enough to wag their fingers at them for "dangerous behavior" while simultaneously texting, putting on makeup, eating a Big Mac, posting to Fark, and disciplining their crotchfruit in the back seat.

And all because they're butthurt that someone who chose to drive a smaller vehicle is able to pass them in a traffic jam.

As someone who has ridden all year every year, for two decades: Please, please... just shut the hell up and go back to ignoring me. After all these years of learning how to survive your indifference, entitlement, and stupidity, I now find it preferable.

Welcome to the thread where bikers with entitlement issues think they can do whatever the fark they want.


In California, they are entitled to split lanes. Because it makes sense.
 
2013-01-19 05:55:49 PM

dickfreckle: There's a reason it's legal in California...it makes sense.


Just because something is legal in California doesn't mean it makes sense.
 
2013-01-19 05:58:16 PM

lordargent: Oznog: We don't check for a slim, faster-moving incoming bike 3 cars back between lanes.

When you say "We", you really mean "all of the people who don't check for motorcycles" and not "everyone that drives".

Because "We" do check for motorcycles.

// IMO, there's a lot of people that shouldn't be on the road driving to begin with, those are the "We" you're referring to. Hell, some of them don't even bother checking for CARS, let alone motorcycles. YMMV according to state.

// I don't tailgate, I use my signals, I added wide angles to my side view mirrors so I can easily check lanes for cars/motorcycles, I don't run lights, etc ... but I speed like a motherfarker!


As a motorcyclist, I agree that many people are too lazy to check properly before changing lanes, making turns, etc... When it comes to lane splitting on a crowded freeway though, I can understand how even good drivers may not be expecting a motorcycle to suddenly pass them when every other vehicle around them is moving at a snail's pace. To me, that's the danger of lane splitting, you are not following the flow of traffic and thus you are going to surprise more people. Of course, I live in Oregon and I don't think lane splitting is legal here so we don't see a lot of it. Maybe in a place where it is more common people in general might be more used to it?
 
2013-01-19 05:59:08 PM
From Motorcycle Roadcraft, The Police Rider's Handbook (the book on advance motorcycle road riding in Britain)

When traffic is stationary or moving slowley in queues, motorcyclists can use their manoeuvrability and limited space requirements to make progress. The advantage of filtering along or between stopped or slow moving traffic have to be weighed against the disadvantages of increased vulnerability while filtering.

If you decide to filter
Take extreme care
Keep your speed low - you need to be able to stop suddenly if circumstances change
Always identify a place where you can rejoin the traffic flow before you move out
Make yourself visible
Beready to breke and/or use the horn
Use the opportunity to make progress but be courteous and avoid conflict with over road users

Watch out for the following
Pedestrians crossing between vehicles
Vehicles emerging from junctions
Vehicles changing lanes or U-turning without warning
Doors opening
Reflective paint paint and studs which could throw the bike off line
Traffic islands
Other bikes also filtering
 
2013-01-19 06:00:14 PM

Mock26: As for motorists fearing that they might not see the motorcyclist and swerve into him, well, do not fret about it.


Sorry, I'm going to fret about hitting someone, especially on a motorcycle where the potential for serious injury is higher, regardless if it is technically my fault or not.
 
2013-01-19 06:04:25 PM

Clutch2013: Yeah...no. They're lucky. Lucky that I (and the other guy, thankfully) had the wherewithal to keep the wheels straight, and not panic


Driving sounds like an activity that you're not particularly suited for. Maybe you should get a bus pass or something.
 
2013-01-19 06:09:33 PM

Z-clipped: Just don't lecture me about safety, and don't get bent out of shape because I'm getting somewhere faster than you


Hey, jerkoff, speed limits apply to bikes, too. You wanna get your kicks by driving 160 mph? Fine. Take it to the track. That shiat has no place on the highway. You don't want a lecture about safety? Stop being a douchy, reckless, farktard in places where others have to drive.
 
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