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2013-01-19 12:09:11 PM
I'm a motorcyclist (for a few months of the year at least) and while I rarely ride anywhere with traffic that dense when I do I've split a lane or two it beats the hell out of directly inhaling exhaust fumes.
 
2013-01-19 12:13:18 PM
Lane splitting is legal here in CA, it's a great way to deal with heavy traffic. And, it's safer.
 
2013-01-19 12:25:39 PM

dj_bigbird: Lane splitting is legal here in CA, it's a great way to deal with heavy traffic. And, it's safer.


IIRC, it doesn't apply to moving traffic.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-19 12:27:31 PM
Challenge accepted.
 
2013-01-19 12:31:53 PM
So these donorcyclists who split lanes at 80 are breaking the law? Lets see here. We've got 2 corneas, a heart, 2 lungs, a liver, a couple of kidneys...
 
2013-01-19 12:47:32 PM
Slight smugness, "I can do it",

Followed by the general call to arms of most motorcyclists..."you can too!  Come join me!"

All in all, not trollie at all.
 
2013-01-19 12:50:30 PM
It's legal in some states (not here in NJ, though) and, in some cases, absolutely makes sense.  Why have a biker take up space in traffic when he can just get the hell out of everyone's way?

The biggest problems I see are 1) bikers who can be jerks about it & split the lane at stupid speeds and 2) drivers who can be jerks about it and actually cut off the biker, regardless of what speed he's doing (seen it done).
 
2013-01-19 12:55:43 PM
I don't care about bikers. Doing stupid shiat like that will eventually get them.

I can't stand the cars/trucks that ride along the outside lanes just because they don't think they should have to sit in traffic. I don't care if I can see your flashing lights or hear your horn Mr. ECNALUBMA, you need to wait like everyone else.
 
2013-01-19 12:56:02 PM
The weirdest traffic phenomenon I ever saw in California. "WTF was that?"

That and the afternoon traffic, "Hmm, I think I'll just switch lanes for no reason. Then switch back." Must be boredom.
 
Pud [TotalFark]
2013-01-19 01:01:58 PM
Motorcyclist used to do that a lot when I was in California. During that time I would ride when the weather permitted, but I just never did the lane splitting thing. I do remember one time someone a few cars ahead of me threw coffee out the window just as the rider was passing them and hit him right in the face guard. I couldn't help but think that was intentional.
 
2013-01-19 01:05:43 PM
Who cares? They life they save may be someone else's.
 
2013-01-19 01:21:26 PM

Pud: Motorcyclist used to do that a lot when I was in California. During that time I would ride when the weather permitted, but I just never did the lane splitting thing. I do remember one time someone a few cars ahead of me threw coffee out the window just as the rider was passing them and hit him right in the face guard. I couldn't help but think that was intentional.


And illegal. And a very good chance of getting road raged. It's like when people get behind the wheel, they think it's like the internet. Anonymity ends where enmity begins.
 
2013-01-19 01:39:48 PM
 
2013-01-19 01:40:52 PM
Lane splitting has specific rules in the state of California and the way most motorcyclist lane split here is illegal.
 
2013-01-19 01:43:36 PM

Beerguy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GH8D2EqDZs


Blame seems pretty clear in that one.
 
2013-01-19 01:44:37 PM
Same road, same rules motherfarker.  If lanes don't matter, why have lanes?
 
2013-01-19 01:46:27 PM

flucto: Beerguy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GH8D2EqDZs

Blame seems pretty clear in that one.


The guy crossing double yellow lines plus solid white, or the guy traveling at 10 times the speed of other traffic?
 
2013-01-19 01:57:30 PM
 
2013-01-19 02:02:08 PM
Around Philly the most bizarre traffic move I've seen isn't a motorcycle splitting lanes or farkwits shoulder riding but when faced with a massive backup on I-95 I have on numerous occasions seem people who have no issue with putting their cars in reverse for a half mile to get to an exit.
 
2013-01-19 02:05:42 PM

flucto: Beerguy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GH8D2EqDZs

Blame seems pretty clear in that one.


I am not placing blame, I am just displaying how risky it is to lane split.

Regardless of who is to blame, if you end up maimed, you are still maimed.
 
2013-01-19 02:09:59 PM

doyner: dj_bigbird: Lane splitting is legal here in CA, it's a great way to deal with heavy traffic. And, it's safer.

IIRC, it doesn't apply to moving traffic.


Incorrect. It's legal up to 30mph, with certain restrictions.
 
2013-01-19 02:14:14 PM
1.2-liter engine on two wheels and a 600-pound body

Yeah, but what about his twin?

www.ridersplus.com

I'm surprised he could fit between two cars
 
2013-01-19 02:23:40 PM
Lane-splitting SUV

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2013-01-19 02:50:22 PM

Z-clipped: doyner: dj_bigbird: Lane splitting is legal here in CA, it's a great way to deal with heavy traffic. And, it's safer.

IIRC, it doesn't apply to moving traffic.

Incorrect. It's legal up to 30mph, with certain restrictions.


Incorrect. It's legal when done in a safe and prudent manner. It is not advised when traffic is flowing at speeds over 30MPH, or with a differential speed over 10MPH.

Link.
 
2013-01-19 02:55:18 PM
Welcome to the thread where a bunch of automobile drivers stop willfully ignoring the presence and safety of motorcyclists just long enough to wag their fingers at them for "dangerous behavior" while simultaneously texting, putting on makeup, eating a Big Mac, posting to Fark, and disciplining their crotchfruit in the back seat.

And all because they're butthurt that someone who chose to drive a smaller vehicle is able to pass them in a traffic jam.

As someone who has ridden all year every year, for two decades: Please, please... just shut the hell up and go back to ignoring me. After all these years of learning how to survive your indifference, entitlement, and stupidity, I now find it preferable.
 
2013-01-19 03:10:03 PM

Z-clipped: Welcome to the thread where a bunch of automobile drivers stop willfully ignoring the presence and safety of motorcyclists just long enough to wag their fingers at them for "dangerous behavior" while simultaneously texting, putting on makeup, eating a Big Mac, posting to Fark, and disciplining their crotchfruit in the back seat.

And all because they're butthurt that someone who chose to drive a smaller vehicle is able to pass them in a traffic jam.

As someone who has ridden all year every year, for two decades: Please, please... just shut the hell up and go back to ignoring me. After all these years of learning how to survive your indifference, entitlement, and stupidity, I now find it preferable.


Like you, I've been a full-time rider for nearly 20 years (started at 18). In 1999 I sold my last car and never bought another one. You can't reason with drivers; they're here to mock us and call us donorcyclists. Don't listen to them.

Lane-splitting is a perfectly viable method of dealing with traffic. No, it's not to be done at 50mph. But if I'm at a massive red light in the city, of course I'm going to it - cautiously. There's a reason it's legal in California...it makes sense.
 
2013-01-19 03:11:36 PM

cmunic8r99: Incorrect. It's legal when done in a safe and prudent manner. It is not advised when traffic is flowing at speeds over 30MPH, or with a differential speed over 10MPH.


I stand corrected. But I'll be damned if the last time I looked up that law, the "10mph difference" and "not over 30 mph" were listed as "advice" and "general guidelines". I remember it being worded more along the lines of, "It's legal if you do it safely. Here are some of the things a police officer will NOT consider safe as he's writing you a ticket..."
 
2013-01-19 03:40:48 PM

doyner: IIRC, it doesn't apply to moving traffic.


so bascially, most of the article is about the guy breaking the law?
because how the car driver drives, really doesnt matter if the traffic isnt moving ... LOL

you should get rewards for hitting these people
seriously

/traffic jams, yah, sure probably ok with that .... except that we know that most of these riders are tools of the worst sort .... cyclists with motors !! here me roar
 
2013-01-19 03:46:33 PM

Z-clipped: Welcome to the thread where a bunch of automobile drivers stop willfully ignoring the presence and safety of motorcyclists just long enough to wag their fingers at them for "dangerous behavior" while simultaneously texting, putting on makeup, eating a Big Mac, posting to Fark, and disciplining their crotchfruit in the back seat.

And all because they're butthurt that someone who chose to drive a smaller vehicle is able to pass them in a traffic jam.

As someone who has ridden all year every year, for two decades: Please, please... just shut the hell up and go back to ignoring me. After all these years of learning how to survive your indifference, entitlement, and stupidity, I now find it preferable.


Welcome to the thread where bikers with entitlement issues think they can do whatever the fark they want.
 
2013-01-19 04:03:10 PM
one thing I have been seeing a lot of is mopeds and motorcycles using the bike lanes my fine city recently installed. That scares the shiat out of me.
 
2013-01-19 04:06:21 PM

Some Bass Playing Guy: Z-clipped: Welcome to the thread where a bunch of automobile drivers stop willfully ignoring the presence and safety of motorcyclists just long enough to wag their fingers at them for "dangerous behavior" while simultaneously texting, putting on makeup, eating a Big Mac, posting to Fark, and disciplining their crotchfruit in the back seat.

And all because they're butthurt that someone who chose to drive a smaller vehicle is able to pass them in a traffic jam.

As someone who has ridden all year every year, for two decades: Please, please... just shut the hell up and go back to ignoring me. After all these years of learning how to survive your indifference, entitlement, and stupidity, I now find it preferable.

Welcome to the thread where bikers with entitlement issues think they can do whatever the fark they want.


You're confused. This thread is about motorcyclists, not bicycle riders.
 
2013-01-19 04:07:01 PM

Beerguy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GH8D2EqDZs


Funniest video I've seen all day. Thanks!
 
2013-01-19 04:07:46 PM
Jeez what's the big deal? This is SOP for motorcyclists in the UK.
 
2013-01-19 04:09:26 PM
My only lane splitting story comes from Kansas City, MO. I was driving there up US 71 which is a 4 lane interstate type highway with a speed limit of 65. Some dude come off the ramp on my right, whipped around me (I was doing about 70) and tried to split the lane between a Fed Ex semi and an SUV.
Difficulty: He wasn't on a motorcycle, he was in a Cavalier. Didn't work out so well.

/Dodging debris at 70 MPH is no fun
 
2013-01-19 04:12:00 PM
I've heard that the Police unions have something to do with keeping it legal in California.

I moved to Sacramento a few years ago from the coast, and you never see lane splitting on the freeways here. I think word has been passed around that people in the area simply do not signal for lane changes.
/miss my bike
 
2013-01-19 04:12:14 PM
Idiots ride motor bikes. That is all.
 
2013-01-19 04:13:50 PM

Z-clipped: Welcome to the thread where a bunch of automobile drivers stop willfully ignoring the presence and safety of motorcyclists just long enough to wag their fingers at them for "dangerous behavior" while simultaneously texting, putting on makeup, eating a Big Mac, posting to Fark, and disciplining their crotchfruit in the back seat.


Where did that happen? Everyone hates both of these groups equally.

Why make shiat up?
 
2013-01-19 04:16:12 PM

Nefarious: Around Philly the most bizarre traffic move I've seen isn't a motorcycle splitting lanes or farkwits shoulder riding but when faced with a massive backup on I-95 I have on numerous occasions seem people who have no issue with putting their cars in reverse for a half mile to get to an exit.


Meh, South Philly cars park in the median (illegal, but never ticketed). Philly has its own rules, along with Chicago.
 
2013-01-19 04:17:32 PM
Fo Shiz : So these donorcyclists who split lanes at 80 are breaking the law?

In CA it's legal if (IIRC) the traffic is moving at less than 40 MPH.

If traffic is moving over 40MPH it's illegal even in CA. The idea being that air cooled bikes would overheat in stop and go traffic (also, with the way monkeys drive in stop and go traffic, I don't even want to be in the lane in a car).

// I ride way to the left of the #1 lane to give them plenty of space to pass through, unless I'm going at the CA standard speed range (65-85), you've got to be nuts to try lane splitting at those speeds.
 
2013-01-19 04:17:49 PM
In Asia, it's not just lane splitting, but Motorcycles and Scooters also get a "box" at the traffic lights.  All bikes move to the box during the red light in front of all the cars.  Any Motocycle or Scooter will take off faster than a car from the stop.
 
2013-01-19 04:17:53 PM
Splitting moving traffic is kinda terrifying.

People can change lanes and when they do, they check for an opening in the destination lane and whether there's a vehicle immediately in front or back of their opening moving in to cut them off, or if this is a middle lane, that no one on the far side is trying to change into the same lane.

We don't check for a slim, faster-moving incoming bike 3 cars back between lanes. That may be in the blind spot too- and really this sort of check every time would be an unsafe distraction overall.

So we can create a situation where there's a car to the left, car to the right, and suddenly the car in front of both of them cuts off the split and there's nowhere for you to go. I don't know what to tell ya, I try to signal and all, but we could be going 60 mph and if you can't stop in time it's not gonna be just the differential of you hitting my bumper at 10 mph faster than me if you lose it- there's a car on the left and one on the right and you may end up bouncing off them or going under one.
 
2013-01-19 04:23:29 PM
Lane splitting isn't legal in Nevada, but that doesn't stop riders here from doing it.
 
2013-01-19 04:27:24 PM
Visited N. Cal and tried lane splitting with Honda CB650SC. Wished for crash bars. Lost my nerve and stood with traffic.
 
2013-01-19 04:27:47 PM
I may not agree with it but it is kind of cool that CHP pretty much said "do it at your own risk". They realized people are going to do it, so why not let them but if they die it's all on them.
 
2013-01-19 04:28:58 PM
Oznog: We don't check for a slim, faster-moving incoming bike 3 cars back between lanes.

When you say "We", you really mean "all of the people who don't check for motorcycles" and not "everyone that drives".

Because "We" do check for motorcycles.

// IMO, there's a lot of people that shouldn't be on the road driving to begin with, those are the "We" you're referring to. Hell, some of them don't even bother checking for CARS, let alone motorcycles. YMMV according to state.

// I don't tailgate, I use my signals, I added wide angles to my side view mirrors so I can easily check lanes for cars/motorcycles, I don't run lights, etc ... but I speed like a motherfarker!
 
2013-01-19 04:31:17 PM

Z-clipped: And all because they're butthurt that someone who chose to drive a smaller vehicle is able to pass them in a traffic jam.


I'm not taking on extra responsibilities because you make terrible choices in life.

You'll get the exact same courtesy anybody else does, but if you get run over because you were in my blind spot driving a short, squat vehicle that's not reasonably visible?

Well, sorry you chose to die.
 
2013-01-19 04:34:15 PM

Some Bass Playing Guy: Welcome to the thread where bikers with entitlement issues think they can do whatever the fark they want.


We CAN do whatever we want, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. So you may as well quit throwing stones from inside your enormous glass house, and pay more attention to your own driving than you do to mine.
 
2013-01-19 04:34:21 PM
This happens all the farking time in Boston. I secretly hope all of them get into an accident and learn their lesson.
 
2013-01-19 04:38:17 PM

Z-clipped: Welcome to the thread where a bunch of automobile drivers stop willfully ignoring the presence and safety of motorcyclists just long enough to wag their fingers at them for "dangerous behavior" while simultaneously texting, putting on makeup, eating a Big Mac, posting to Fark, and disciplining their crotchfruit in the back seat.

And all because they're butthurt that someone who chose to drive a smaller vehicle is able to pass them in a traffic jam.

As someone who has ridden all year every year, for two decades: Please, please... just shut the hell up and go back to ignoring me. After all these years of learning how to survive your indifference, entitlement, and stupidity, I now find it preferable.


Yeah, except I don't do ANY of those behaviors while driving, so fark you.
 
2013-01-19 04:38:23 PM

lordargent: Oznog: We don't check for a slim, faster-moving incoming bike 3 cars back between lanes.

When you say "We", you really mean "all of the people who don't check for motorcycles" and not "everyone that drives".

Because "We" do check for motorcycles.

// IMO, there's a lot of people that shouldn't be on the road driving to begin with, those are the "We" you're referring to. Hell, some of them don't even bother checking for CARS, let alone motorcycles. YMMV according to state.

// I don't tailgate, I use my signals, I added wide angles to my side view mirrors so I can easily check lanes for cars/motorcycles, I don't run lights, etc ... but I speed like a motherfarker!


Pretty much.

A good driver checks for everything on the road. EVERYTHING, regardless of its size, or its state of motion, should be paid attention to as long as there's the slightest chance that your vehicle can make contact with it. It's really not that hard,
 
2013-01-19 04:39:28 PM
Lane splitting should be illegal because it's not fair to cars.
 
2013-01-19 04:41:17 PM
Wait. So Fark hates bicycles but motorcycles are okay? Got it. Geez, you'd think after six years I'd have figured out the pure logic and reason behind Fark preferences.
 
2013-01-19 04:44:56 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Idiots ride motor bikes. That is all.


Yeah, I'm going to disagree with that.

Pound for pound you have just as many douchenozzles behind the wheel of a car as you do behind a bike. The bad bikers stand out a bit more.

There are those among us who take great pride in getting from A-B in a safe and "living" manner. I think if you hopped on a bike for a week the amount of issues caused by the 4 wheelers and not the biker will shock you.
 
2013-01-19 04:45:58 PM

MakerGrey: Wait. So Fark hates bicycles but motorcycles are okay? Got it. Geez, you'd think after six years I'd have figured out the pure logic and reason behind Fark preferences.


I'm going to put on my cycling gear and get on my motorcycle.
 
2013-01-19 04:46:12 PM
Enjoy the taste of asphalt, asshole.
 
2013-01-19 04:52:04 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: I'm not taking on extra responsibilities because you make terrible choices in life.


Fine by me. Don't. In fact, don't pay me any courtesy at all. I'll happily be the thunderous noise that blows by you at 160, and makes you spill hot coffee on your crotch. You don't respect me? I don't respect you.
 
2013-01-19 04:52:04 PM

namatad: doyner: IIRC, it doesn't apply to moving traffic.

so bascially, most of the article is about the guy breaking the law?
because how the car driver drives, really doesnt matter if the traffic isnt moving ... LOL

you should get rewards for hitting these people
seriously

/traffic jams, yah, sure probably ok with that .... except that we know that most of these riders are tools of the worst sort .... cyclists with motors !! here me roar


I could agree with rewards for hitting them if you agree that if you try and miss they get to beat you with a bat for 5 swings. Fair?
 
2013-01-19 04:52:08 PM
Leishu: A good driver checks for everything on the road. EVERYTHING, regardless of its size, or its state of motion, should be paid attention to as long as there's the slightest chance that your vehicle can make contact with it. It's really not that hard,

I have friends that complain that it's hard to reach me ... it's because I don't text while in the car.

I used to take calls in the car (I have an earpiece), but I get calls so infrequently that I forget to even charge the damn thing or bring it along. So basically, I am only reachable when I reach a destination.

I get in the car to do one thing and one thing only, drive. No shaving, no hair brushing, no texting, etc. And at the speeds we drive at here in CA, that's a good thing.

I see people drifting around in their lanes or stopping short, and the vast majority of the time, they're chatting on the phone. The DMV tests in this state are far too lax.
 
2013-01-19 04:53:46 PM
The only time I've witnessed this was in a state where it is not legal and sure as hell was not under 30mph. So fark him for putting his life into my hands, I didn't need that brief moment of terror.

/sport bike, with protective gear consisting of shorts, t-shirt, and Timberlands. At least he had a full helmet.
 
2013-01-19 04:54:17 PM
I'm fine with traffic splitting, as long as 100 percent of the liability in case of an accident rests on the cyclist. And the driver of any automobile that collides with a cyclist is immune to any civil lawsuit from the cyclist or his surviving relatives.
 
2013-01-19 04:56:01 PM

Z-clipped: I'll happily be the thunderous noise that blows by you at 160


And THAT'S why you're an asshole.
 
2013-01-19 04:56:39 PM
Meh doesn't bother me at all usually. There are always a few assholes that either do it way too fast or are trying to squeeze their massive bikes through tiny spaces and then get pissy when you can't move your car over quick enough. But most of the time it's not a big deal.
 
2013-01-19 04:59:28 PM
As a NorCal resident I don't have any specific objections, but I wish they would set a single lane for splitting. It's maddening to deal with the dipshiats that think every lane is free game for splitting. Also, the asswipe bikers who think its everyones obligation to clear them a path for the next 10 miles by scooting way over in your lane. Yeah, not impressed by your ability to rev a motorcycle engine tough guy.
 
2013-01-19 05:01:40 PM
Long as a stopped car doesn't open their door I guess.
 
2013-01-19 05:03:08 PM
San Francisco is a pretty good place for riding year-round, which means drivers are used to looking for motorcyclists all the time and don't get "seasonal amnesia" like colder places. I've had more people move to make room for me on the freeway than intentionally block. CHP included. The only time I've been hit by a car was when I got rear-ended at a stop sign. A stopped motorcycle is the most dangerous one to be on.
 
2013-01-19 05:05:24 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Z-clipped: And all because they're butthurt that someone who chose to drive a smaller vehicle is able to pass them in a traffic jam.

I'm not taking on extra responsibilities because you make terrible choices in life.

You'll get the exact same courtesy anybody else does, but if you get run over because you were in my blind spot driving a short, squat vehicle that's not reasonably visible?

Well, sorry you chose to die.


Ignorant-like typing detected. On my bike I'm eye to eye with SUV's, so likely I'm higher than you are. Don't do anything intentionally to screw with me. Odds are you and three buddies couldn't coordinate on purpose to hit me, much less do it on purpose, so just be legal and we'll both be fine.
 
2013-01-19 05:06:24 PM
And drivers complain about asshole bicyclists?
 
2013-01-19 05:08:55 PM

italie: Darth_Lukecash: Idiots ride motor bikes. That is all.

Yeah, I'm going to disagree with that.

Pound for pound you have just as many douchenozzles behind the wheel of a car as you do behind a bike. The bad bikers stand out a bit more.

There are those among us who take great pride in getting from A-B in a safe and "living" manner. I think if you hopped on a bike for a week the amount of issues caused by the 4 wheelers and not the biker will shock you.


In my particular county, you're 30 times more likely per mile to die. 30 times something that doesn't cross your mind is pretty small.
Further, 90% of those had no helmet and 90% didn't take the driving course. Even if they're the same 90, now we're down to 3 times.
Throw in the fact that I'm not the idiot going 150 on the highway, and it might actually be safer on the bike.
 
2013-01-19 05:09:19 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: And THAT'S why you're an asshole.


Right. It doesn't matter how much of an asshole everyone else on the road is, or that they would happily kill me to get to Qdoba five minutes earlier. All that matters is that I'M the asshole because I'm doing something you don't approve of.
Enjoy your coffee. Be sure to text your BFF Jill about how good it is.
 
2013-01-19 05:09:36 PM

Iamos: San Francisco is a pretty good place for riding year-round, which means drivers are used to looking for motorcyclists all the time and don't get "seasonal amnesia" like colder places. I've had more people move to make room for me on the freeway than intentionally block. CHP included. The only time I've been hit by a car was when I got rear-ended at a stop sign. A stopped motorcycle is the most dangerous one to be on.


When I was living up in the bay area years ago, I was driving through the city. Mission was at a complete stand still. I heard a loud thump and looked in my rear view to see a biker laying on my trunk. He was splitting the lane and the ass hat next to me opened his door to block the biker. Dude had to grab his brakes quick and fell sideways onto my car. Biker and I had a good laugh after yelling at the dude who blocked him.

Moral of the story: bike, car, motorcycle... it's usually the assholes fault.
 
2013-01-19 05:10:59 PM
That motorcycle costume rubbish is ghey. All one needs is a pair of dungarees and some hobnail boots.
 
2013-01-19 05:11:25 PM
it's legal, and tears don't change elections, ask the Republican party
 
2013-01-19 05:11:40 PM

ukexpat: Jeez what's the big deal? This is SOP for motorcyclists in the UK.


This. It didn't even occur to me that it might be a "thing" until I read about it being illegal in the US. Another weird law, like having to come to a dead stop at junctions.
So the UK allows bikes to lane split, drivers to drive through junctions without even having to slow down if they can see the way is clear, and yet the roads are safer statistically.
 
2013-01-19 05:12:14 PM

Z-clipped: Welcome to the thread where a bunch of automobile drivers stop willfully ignoring the presence and safety of motorcyclists just long enough to wag their fingers at them for "dangerous behavior" while simultaneously texting, putting on makeup, eating a Big Mac, posting to Fark, and disciplining their crotchfruit in the back seat.

And all because they're butthurt that someone who chose to drive a smaller vehicle is able to pass them in a traffic jam.

As someone who has ridden all year every year, for two decades: Please, please... just shut the hell up and go back to ignoring me. After all these years of learning how to survive your indifference, entitlement, and stupidity, I now find it preferable.


I'm not quite car free (2 young kids) but about 6K of my yearly mileage is on my bike and I couldn't agree more. It really a visceral sense of envy that quickly turns to contempt that I feel from a lot of cagers. It used to bug me, now it just sorta intrigues me for a second and then I go ride more and forget all about it. I just wish we could split here in Iowa. Not that we need to very often, but once in awhile it would come in handy.
 
2013-01-19 05:12:47 PM

Z-clipped: Fine by me. Don't. In fact, don't pay me any courtesy at all. I'll happily be the thunderous noise that blows by you at 160, and makes you spill hot coffee on your crotch. You don't respect me? I don't respect you.


And this would be the reason why people would hate bikers. One douche can spoil it for many others. I don't care how good of a rider you are, you going anything over 90 makes it impossible for someone doing a (legal) lane change to see and account for you.
 
2013-01-19 05:12:51 PM
 
2013-01-19 05:14:18 PM

crotchgrabber: When I was living up in the bay area years ago, I was driving through the city. Mission was at a complete stand still. I heard a loud thump and looked in my rear view to see a biker laying on my trunk. He was splitting the lane and the ass hat next to me opened his door to block the biker. Dude had to grab his brakes quick and fell sideways onto my car. Biker and I had a good laugh after yelling at the dude who blocked him.

Moral of the story: bike, car, motorcycle... it's usually the assholes fault.


True enough. I tend not to split on city streets as they are narrow and far less predictable than freeways. But as always, asshats gotta be asshats.
 
2013-01-19 05:15:16 PM
First time driving in LA and one splits the lane while I'm doing 70 on the 405. Scared the shiat out of me.

I'm fine with it and I'll actually make a deliberate move to give him more room. What pisses me off is the farktards who can't be bothered to say thanks when it's obvious I've given him room. 10% of the riders do that now when seemed like 50% in the past.
 
2013-01-19 05:15:59 PM
 
2013-01-19 05:19:08 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Z-clipped: I'll happily be the thunderous noise that blows by you at 160

And THAT'S why you're an asshole.


THAT.

I've had two very memorable instances on the freeway where a pack of these assholes came within centimeters of taking out my mirrors, if they were lucky. One time, I was thisclose to moving over to the next lane to pass a slower car - if the idiot, who had to be doing all of 120 or 130 in a 55, had arrived about half a second later, they would have been picking pieces of him up off of Route 100 and I'd still be in therapy. The worst part about that one was I had literally no warning. I actually drive when I drive, so I'd checked my blind spots, signaled, re-checked, and was just getting ready to ease the wheel over when I got the holy shiat scared out of me.

Here in Maryland, they have a thing going where they tell other drivers to "Share The Road" with motorcyclists. I laugh at it, and then I start thinking about those two moments and how much more screwed up they could have been.
 
2013-01-19 05:19:38 PM
FTFA: "First I'd like to reassure you that, no matter how much you may fear it, you will not swerve your car sideways and hit me. By the time I invade your space, I've been studying your driving from four cars back. I know if you're on your cellphone or putting on your makeup. I know if you're following too close or lagging behind. I know if you hug to the left or right, or weave. "

This author is truly deranged if he really thinks he is doing this. In gridlock, going 30 mph, he is analyzing every single car's movements and habits as well as checking out the totally obvious awareness levels of the drivers through a tinted helmet and through tinted windows. Learn to lie better dipshiat.
 
2013-01-19 05:20:15 PM

Z-clipped: Sin_City_Superhero: And THAT'S why you're an asshole.

Right. It doesn't matter how much of an asshole everyone else on the road is, or that they would happily kill me to get to Qdoba five minutes earlier. All that matters is that I'M the asshole because I'm doing something you don't approve of.
Enjoy your coffee. Be sure to text your BFF Jill about how good it is.


You're an asshole for driving 160, asshole. At that speed, it's not just your dumb ass on the line, asshole. And don't even try to argue that 160 mph is a 'safespeed', either...asshole.
 
2013-01-19 05:23:14 PM

Crunch61: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XihQeZpwqpE

/oblig


Arrrrr. F5 is my friend.
 
2013-01-19 05:25:57 PM
I would never split lanes when I am riding. I have seen too many Russian dash cam videos.
 
2013-01-19 05:26:31 PM

the_chief: Lane splitting should be illegal because it's not fair to cars.


...and the trees were all kept equal wth hatchet, ax, and saw...
 
2013-01-19 05:28:20 PM

lordargent: Oznog: We don't check for a slim, faster-moving incoming bike 3 cars back between lanes.

When you say "We", you really mean "all of the people who don't check for motorcycles" and not "everyone that drives".

Because "We" do check for motorcycles.!


Yes and No. I always check the blind spot and, being a former rider, for motorcycles. I've still had situations where I didn't see the bike.

They can be difficult to see, particularly at night and if they aren't all splitting safely.
 
2013-01-19 05:34:13 PM

mjbok: And this would be the reason why people would hate bikers. One douche can spoil it for many others. I don't care how good of a rider you are, you going anything over 90 makes it impossible for someone doing a (legal) lane change to see and account for you.


You're missing the point. I'm saying, I don't care if you account for me. Even if you do, (you personally), the other 99 drivers on the road won't. So don't worry about it. I'll account for YOU. I'm fine with that. Just don't lecture me about safety, and don't get bent out of shape because I'm getting somewhere faster than you, or getting around an obstacle you can't. Just ignore me, and go about your business.

Clutch2013: came within centimeters

Clutch2013: One time, I was thisclose

Clutch2013: if the idiot...had arrived about half a second later

Clutch2013: up they could have been.


So you're saying, nothing awful actually happened?

Clutch2013: I got the holy shiat scared out of me.


Oh, poor baby. Try riding a motorcycle in traffic for 10 minutes. You'd be a weeping mess. Listen, those guys may have seemed like they were rubbing elbows with death to you, but trust me... they're more in control of their vehicles and more aware of time and space than you are. If they weren't 100 times better than you at negotiating the highway, they'd have died a long time ago.
 
2013-01-19 05:35:48 PM

Leishu: lordargent: Oznog: We don't check for a slim, faster-moving incoming bike 3 cars back between lanes.

When you say "We", you really mean "all of the people who don't check for motorcycles" and not "everyone that drives".

Because "We" do check for motorcycles.

// IMO, there's a lot of people that shouldn't be on the road driving to begin with, those are the "We" you're referring to. Hell, some of them don't even bother checking for CARS, let alone motorcycles. YMMV according to state.

// I don't tailgate, I use my signals, I added wide angles to my side view mirrors so I can easily check lanes for cars/motorcycles, I don't run lights, etc ... but I speed like a motherfarker!

Pretty much.

A good driver checks for everything on the road. EVERYTHING, regardless of its size, or its state of motion, should be paid attention to as long as there's the slightest chance that your vehicle can make contact with it. It's really not that hard,


And that's why I always use my turn signals. I lived for years without a car, relying on bicycles and motorcycles for transportation. So many times people would change lanes, never see me, and as they didn't think there was anyone around, they didn't bother to use their turn signal (that's being charitable, I'm sure some of them were the type of slobs who just couldn't be bothered under any circumstance). If you always use your signals for lane changes, at least the person you didn't/couldn't see has some warning. They are there, it costs you nothing, use them!
 
2013-01-19 05:36:59 PM
Since I pay for the roads I like to use them completely. I swerve to make sure I use as much road as possible to get the most bang for my buck.

If you are coming up on a line with my beast bouncing back and forth (nice loose steering), good luck to you. 73 camper special with them BIG OLD MIRRORS that stick out extra far will likely knock you over before you break it off.

We have lanes for a reason. People expect vehicles to be within the lanes unless they are changing lanes. Most other states disagree with California's take on it yet somehow they feel they are right.

I rode a bike for many years and I would never split lanes because I don't trust the folks in cases. You know for a fact they aren't paying attention and you are still willing to risk your safety because you think you can out-stupid them.

We have people trying to careen into bikes when they are simply putting along in their own empty lane.

As an aside, how do insurance companies handle lane splitting? Do they accept the liability or do they tell you that you are SOL when it comes to accidents like that?
 
2013-01-19 05:37:12 PM

Flint Ironstag: ukexpat: Jeez what's the big deal? This is SOP for motorcyclists in the UK.

This. It didn't even occur to me that it might be a "thing" until I read about it being illegal in the US. Another weird law, like having to come to a dead stop at junctions.
So the UK allows bikes to lane split, drivers to drive through junctions without even having to slow down if they can see the way is clear, and yet the roads are safer statistically.


I know its very strange. I filter almost every day on my way to work. If there is space and the traffic isn't moving very much then i stop being part of the traffic jam. Its even a good thing for car drivers if the bikes filter when they can. A recent Belgium study Link proved that if 10% of cars were replaced by bikes the traffic jams would be reduced by 40%.

Its a win win for every one.

/now you can resume the macho posturing
 
2013-01-19 05:38:58 PM

wiseolddude: I would never split lanes when I am riding. I have seen too many Russian dash cam videos.


You might change your mind if you are stuck in a parking lot on a hot freeway, and you begin seeing other guys on motorcycles cruising right past you. Going fifteen to twenty MPH isn't very fast, but it's a lot faster than a dead stop.
 
2013-01-19 05:40:18 PM
Meh, it is legal in California so I do not see the big deal. As for motorists fearing that they might not see the motorcyclist and swerve into him, well, do not fret about it. The obligation is the person passing to avoid hitting the person he is passing. Just be sure to use your turn signal and look in the mirror before making a lane switch. If you do not see him and he hits you then he is one who is at fault. He is passing you.
 
2013-01-19 05:54:05 PM

Z-clipped: mjbok: And this would be the reason why people would hate bikers. One douche can spoil it for many others. I don't care how good of a rider you are, you going anything over 90 makes it impossible for someone doing a (legal) lane change to see and account for you.

You're missing the point. I'm saying, I don't care if you account for me. Even if you do, (you personally), the other 99 drivers on the road won't. So don't worry about it. I'll account for YOU. I'm fine with that. Just don't lecture me about safety, and don't get bent out of shape because I'm getting somewhere faster than you, or getting around an obstacle you can't. Just ignore me, and go about your business.

Clutch2013: came within centimeters
Clutch2013: One time, I was thisclose
Clutch2013: if the idiot...had arrived about half a second later
Clutch2013: up they could have been.

So you're saying, nothing awful actually happened?

Clutch2013: I got the holy shiat scared out of me.

Oh, poor baby. Try riding a motorcycle in traffic for 10 minutes. You'd be a weeping mess. Listen, those guys may have seemed like they were rubbing elbows with death to you, but trust me... they're more in control of their vehicles and more aware of time and space than you are. If they weren't 100 times better than you at negotiating the highway, they'd have died a long time ago.


Yeah...no. They're lucky. Lucky that I (and the other guy, thankfully) had the wherewithal to keep the wheels straight, and not panic after getting passed by not one, not two, but SIX of you hopped up pricks.

There's no reason for you farks to be doing 120 MPH in a 55. None whatsoever. Get an XBox and Midnight Club if you have to scratch that itch. You jagoffs harp all the time about not getting respected on the road, and then pull shiat like this at the first opportunity. Well, from the bottom of my heart, screw you and understand this - the only respect you're getting from me is borne out of legal and moral reasons concerning my well-being, and not because you deserve or earned it.
 
2013-01-19 05:55:21 PM

Some Bass Playing Guy: Z-clipped: Welcome to the thread where a bunch of automobile drivers stop willfully ignoring the presence and safety of motorcyclists just long enough to wag their fingers at them for "dangerous behavior" while simultaneously texting, putting on makeup, eating a Big Mac, posting to Fark, and disciplining their crotchfruit in the back seat.

And all because they're butthurt that someone who chose to drive a smaller vehicle is able to pass them in a traffic jam.

As someone who has ridden all year every year, for two decades: Please, please... just shut the hell up and go back to ignoring me. After all these years of learning how to survive your indifference, entitlement, and stupidity, I now find it preferable.

Welcome to the thread where bikers with entitlement issues think they can do whatever the fark they want.


In California, they are entitled to split lanes. Because it makes sense.
 
2013-01-19 05:55:49 PM

dickfreckle: There's a reason it's legal in California...it makes sense.


Just because something is legal in California doesn't mean it makes sense.
 
2013-01-19 05:58:16 PM

lordargent: Oznog: We don't check for a slim, faster-moving incoming bike 3 cars back between lanes.

When you say "We", you really mean "all of the people who don't check for motorcycles" and not "everyone that drives".

Because "We" do check for motorcycles.

// IMO, there's a lot of people that shouldn't be on the road driving to begin with, those are the "We" you're referring to. Hell, some of them don't even bother checking for CARS, let alone motorcycles. YMMV according to state.

// I don't tailgate, I use my signals, I added wide angles to my side view mirrors so I can easily check lanes for cars/motorcycles, I don't run lights, etc ... but I speed like a motherfarker!


As a motorcyclist, I agree that many people are too lazy to check properly before changing lanes, making turns, etc... When it comes to lane splitting on a crowded freeway though, I can understand how even good drivers may not be expecting a motorcycle to suddenly pass them when every other vehicle around them is moving at a snail's pace. To me, that's the danger of lane splitting, you are not following the flow of traffic and thus you are going to surprise more people. Of course, I live in Oregon and I don't think lane splitting is legal here so we don't see a lot of it. Maybe in a place where it is more common people in general might be more used to it?
 
2013-01-19 05:59:08 PM
From Motorcycle Roadcraft, The Police Rider's Handbook (the book on advance motorcycle road riding in Britain)

When traffic is stationary or moving slowley in queues, motorcyclists can use their manoeuvrability and limited space requirements to make progress. The advantage of filtering along or between stopped or slow moving traffic have to be weighed against the disadvantages of increased vulnerability while filtering.

If you decide to filter
Take extreme care
Keep your speed low - you need to be able to stop suddenly if circumstances change
Always identify a place where you can rejoin the traffic flow before you move out
Make yourself visible
Beready to breke and/or use the horn
Use the opportunity to make progress but be courteous and avoid conflict with over road users

Watch out for the following
Pedestrians crossing between vehicles
Vehicles emerging from junctions
Vehicles changing lanes or U-turning without warning
Doors opening
Reflective paint paint and studs which could throw the bike off line
Traffic islands
Other bikes also filtering
 
2013-01-19 06:00:14 PM

Mock26: As for motorists fearing that they might not see the motorcyclist and swerve into him, well, do not fret about it.


Sorry, I'm going to fret about hitting someone, especially on a motorcycle where the potential for serious injury is higher, regardless if it is technically my fault or not.
 
2013-01-19 06:04:25 PM

Clutch2013: Yeah...no. They're lucky. Lucky that I (and the other guy, thankfully) had the wherewithal to keep the wheels straight, and not panic


Driving sounds like an activity that you're not particularly suited for. Maybe you should get a bus pass or something.
 
2013-01-19 06:09:33 PM

Z-clipped: Just don't lecture me about safety, and don't get bent out of shape because I'm getting somewhere faster than you


Hey, jerkoff, speed limits apply to bikes, too. You wanna get your kicks by driving 160 mph? Fine. Take it to the track. That shiat has no place on the highway. You don't want a lecture about safety? Stop being a douchy, reckless, farktard in places where others have to drive.
 
2013-01-19 06:14:10 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: You're an asshole for driving 160, asshole. At that speed, it's not just your dumb ass on the line, asshole. And don't even try to argue that 160 mph is a 'safespeed', either...asshole.


I wonder if calling me an asshole feels as good to you as scaring the shiat out of criminally inattentive drivers does to me?
 
2013-01-19 06:14:41 PM

Z-clipped: Clutch2013: Yeah...no. They're lucky. Lucky that I (and the other guy, thankfully) had the wherewithal to keep the wheels straight, and not panic

Driving sounds like an activity that you're not particularly suited for. Maybe you should get a bus pass or something.


Where are you going that requires you to do double (at minimum) the speed limit? Care to tell me?
 
2013-01-19 06:19:30 PM
Really? I had no idea that being a douche-bag was a public service.
 
2013-01-19 06:21:00 PM

Z-clipped:
I wonder if calling me an asshole feels as good to you as scaring the shiat out of criminally inattentive drivers does to me?


"Douche" and "retard" work well, too.

Look, bro, you wanna drive fast, more power to ya. Just do at the track. Drive according to posted regulations when on the road.
 
2013-01-19 06:21:17 PM
Z-clipped has to be a troll. No-one can actually claim that it is ok to do 120+MPH in a 55MPH zone, and still be all rightous about other people being bad drivers because they don't anticipate him being there.
 
2013-01-19 06:21:28 PM

xanadian: Pud: Motorcyclist used to do that a lot when I was in California. During that time I would ride when the weather permitted, but I just never did the lane splitting thing. I do remember one time someone a few cars ahead of me threw coffee out the window just as the rider was passing them and hit him right in the face guard. I couldn't help but think that was intentional.

And illegal. And a very good chance of getting road raged. It's like when people get behind the wheel, they think it's like the internet. Anonymity ends where enmity begins.


I don't lane split. I did see some lady try to screw with the wrong cyclist though. Guy turned out to be in a 1%'er gang. Let's just say that the lady found out "cages" aren't that safe. They never could prove it was the gang that lit her car on fire, with her in it. I doubt she ever tried to kill / injure another cyclist in the future. Yes she lived through it. Her car, no it did not survive in a drivable condition.

I live and let live. I don't try to start anything, and only respond when some nutter nearly kills me. Then again, I tend to call the lawyer. I know I'd be unable to actually maim someone and feel good later without a real good reason.
 
2013-01-19 06:23:51 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Hey, jerkoff, speed limits apply to bikes, too.


Do you ever drive over the speed limit?
 
2013-01-19 06:24:28 PM
You know all those stereotypes about assholes who think its cool to do 160 on a highway? Z-clipped appears to meet the entire checklist.
 
2013-01-19 06:25:49 PM

Repo Man: wiseolddude: I would never split lanes when I am riding. I have seen too many Russian dash cam videos.

You might change your mind if you are stuck in a parking lot on a hot freeway, and you begin seeing other guys on motorcycles cruising right past you. Going fifteen to twenty MPH isn't very fast, but it's a lot faster than a dead stop.


Those aren't the ones who are the problem, or that I have a beef with. It's the crotch-rocketeers that blaze down between lanes at 90 mph when traffic is still moving along nicely at 70.
 
2013-01-19 06:26:55 PM

BadReligion: Z-clipped has to be a troll


What Z-clipped's bike might look like:
badgertronics.com
 
2013-01-19 06:28:48 PM

BadReligion: Z-clipped has to be a troll. No-one can actually claim that it is ok to do 120+MPH in a 55MPH zone, and still be all rightous about other people being bad drivers because they don't anticipate him being there.


He's no troll. He's a two-wheeled master of the road with the reflexes of a ninja and the ability to avoid any and all situations, so nothing like this ever happens to him.

/In other words, he'll be on YouTube someday
 
2013-01-19 06:30:49 PM

Z-clipped: Sin_City_Superhero: Hey, jerkoff, speed limits apply to bikes, too.

Do you ever drive over the speed limit?


Are you gonna try to pretend that me doing 5 mph over the speed limit is the same thing as you doing 100 mph over? Cause, guess what...I don't speed. I have a track-day car, and I drive fast in it, on track-days, on the racetrack.
 
2013-01-19 06:31:25 PM

Z-clipped: Sin_City_Superhero: Hey, jerkoff, speed limits apply to bikes, too.

Do you ever drive over the speed limit?


Sorry z-clipped, you don't get to brag about speeding past people at 160 (or whatever your bike can really do) and then pull the old "but everyone speeds" defense. No, only idiots drive at those types of speeds. As a fellow motorcyclist, you are making us look bad.
 
2013-01-19 06:33:34 PM
MakerGrey
Wait. So Fark hates bicycles but motorcycles are okay? Got it. Geez, you'd think after six years I'd have figured out the pure logic and reason behind Fark preferences.

Farkers on average hate bikes because they either slow down traffic or because some of the silk wearing community that generally travel in packs can be arrogant bastards.

Motorcycles don't slow traffic, and even when occasionally driving like idiots are still badass and usually only a threat to themselves..
 
2013-01-19 06:37:22 PM

Z-clipped: Sin_City_Superhero: You're an asshole for driving 160, asshole. At that speed, it's not just your dumb ass on the line, asshole. And don't even try to argue that 160 mph is a 'safespeed', either...asshole.

I wonder if calling me an asshole feels as good to you as scaring the shiat out of criminally inattentive drivers does to me?


It is hilarious how much of a tool you are. I'm fine with lane-splitting, but don't act like ridinga motorcycle makes you an exceptional operator.

/Be safe out there; more lives are on the line than your own.
 
2013-01-19 06:39:39 PM

Z-clipped:

Fine by me. Don't. In fact, don't pay me any courtesy at all. I'll happily be the thunderous noise that blows by you at 160, and makes you spill hot coffee on your crotch. You don't respect me? I don't respect you.


No one respects you as a person.
 
2013-01-19 06:40:31 PM

Repo Man: Leishu: lordargent: Oznog: We don't check for a slim, faster-moving incoming bike 3 cars back between lanes.

When you say "We", you really mean "all of the people who don't check for motorcycles" and not "everyone that drives".

Because "We" do check for motorcycles.

// IMO, there's a lot of people that shouldn't be on the road driving to begin with, those are the "We" you're referring to. Hell, some of them don't even bother checking for CARS, let alone motorcycles. YMMV according to state.

// I don't tailgate, I use my signals, I added wide angles to my side view mirrors so I can easily check lanes for cars/motorcycles, I don't run lights, etc ... but I speed like a motherfarker!

Pretty much.

A good driver checks for everything on the road. EVERYTHING, regardless of its size, or its state of motion, should be paid attention to as long as there's the slightest chance that your vehicle can make contact with it. It's really not that hard,

And that's why I always use my turn signals. I lived for years without a car, relying on bicycles and motorcycles for transportation. So many times people would change lanes, never see me, and as they didn't think there was anyone around, they didn't bother to use their turn signal (that's being charitable, I'm sure some of them were the type of slobs who just couldn't be bothered under any circumstance). If you always use your signals for lane changes, at least the person you didn't/couldn't see has some warning. They are there, it costs you nothing, use them!


Of course, that's the other half.

Being a good driver can be summed up in two steps, no matter what you drive:

1. Be predictable.
2. Pay attention.
 
2013-01-19 06:44:17 PM

dj_bigbird: Lane splitting is legal here in CA, it's a great way to deal with heavy traffic. And, it's safer.


This.

When cars are moving ~7 mph on the 405, motorcyclists are safe moving in and out of lanes. Plus, it's LEGAL for motorcyclists to "share lanes" with cars and other bikes.
 
2013-01-19 06:45:52 PM
I'll just leave this bit of Web 0.1.1 lane-splitting video here...

www.fastlaner.org
 
2013-01-19 06:46:07 PM

BadReligion: No-one can actually claim that it is ok to do 120+MPH in a 55MPH zone, and still be all rightous about other people being bad drivers because they don't anticipate him being there.


I claimed neither of these things.

It's not OK to go 120 in a 55. It's also not OK to go 65 in a 55, or text while you're driving, or let your attention wander, or eat, or talk on a phone, or put on makeup. But an overwhelming number of people do those things, despite the fact that it puts my life in imminent danger. So since the vast majority of you don't give a fark about me, I'm going to drive as I please. Based on your obvious disregard for anything outside of your micro-universes, it's a fair assumption that if your vehicle were nimble enough and fast enough to reliably obviate the highway patrol, you'd already be doing the same thing.

Moreover, I'm not angry at drivers anymore. I've stopped concerning myself with their disrespectful behavior. I don't ask that they anticipate me. In fact, I've specifically stated the opposite. I don't hit them, and I no longer give them the opportunity to hit me. I'm just pointing out the wild, insane hypocrisy of people getting their panties in a wad about motorcyclists legally lane-splitting when they constantly go out of their way to deliberately create distractions for themselves instead of paying attention to the road, which causes them to make hundreds of driving errors every hour that pose no danger to themselves, but could easily kill a motorcyclist. The sheer volume of entitlement and rationalization at work is frankly baffling.
 
2013-01-19 06:51:32 PM

Leishu: Repo Man: Leishu: lordargent: Oznog:

Being a good driver can be summed up in two steps, no matter what you drive:

1. Be predictable.
2. Pay attention.

3. Assume everyone else is drunk, armed, and fleeing from a bank robbery.
 
2013-01-19 06:53:49 PM

Z-clipped: The sheer volume of entitlement and rationalization at work is frankly baffling.


I couldn't agree more...
 
2013-01-19 06:57:24 PM

crotchgrabber:
Moral of the story: bike, car, motorcycle... it's usually the assholes fault.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-19 06:57:47 PM

Z-clipped: It's not OK to go 120 in a 55. It's also not OK to go 65 in a 55, or text while you're driving, or let your attention wander, or eat, or talk on a phone, or put on makeup. But an overwhelming number of people do those things, despite the fact that it puts my life in imminent danger. So since the vast majority of you don't give a fark about me, I'm going to drive as I please. Based on your obvious disregard for anything outside of your micro-universes, it's a fair assumption that if your vehicle were nimble enough and fast enough to reliably obviate the highway patrol, you'd already be doing the same thing.

Moreover, I'm not angry at drivers anymore. I've stopped concerning myself with their disrespectful behavior. I don't ask that they anticipate me. In fact, I've specifically stated the opposite. I don't hit them, and I no longer give them the opportunity to hit me. I'm just pointing out the wild, insane hypocrisy of people getting their panties in a wad about motorcyclists legally lane-splitting when they constantly go out of their way to deliberately create distractions for themselves instead of paying attention to the road, which causes them to make hundreds of driving errors every hour that pose no danger to themselves, but could easily kill a motorcyclist. The sheer volume of entitlement and rationalization at work is frankly baffling.

 
2013-01-19 06:57:58 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Cause, guess what...I don't speed.


Never? Really?

Pincy: Sorry z-clipped, you don't get to brag about speeding past people at 160 (or whatever your bike can really do)


To be honest, that one part of my argument was hyperbole, designed to provoke a reaction from someone who was being an idiot. The rest though, I make no apology for. I do flout traffic laws quite a lot, and I definitely speed more than most people on the road, but I don't actually go out of my way to frighten anyone. I do provoke police from time to time, but they generally have it coming. And my bike does about 190 at the top end, if you really care.
 
2013-01-19 07:00:50 PM

FizixJunkee: dj_bigbird: Lane splitting is legal here in CA, it's a great way to deal with heavy traffic. And, it's safer.

This.

When cars are moving ~7 mph on the 405, motorcyclists are safe moving in and out of lanes. Plus, it's LEGAL for motorcyclists to "share lanes" with cars and other bikes.


Yep.

I sit in stop&go traffic three days a week on the south 101/5, and get passed by lane-splitting bikes all the time. They might as well, because there's no danger to either them or to the cars. The CARS aren't going fast enough to swerve into them; and they don't even have room to suddenly drop into the main traffic lane--that's why they're splitting lanes in the first place. And in 20+ years of living down here, I've never seen a bike hit in heavy traffic.

And I'd point out that when things start moving faster than 30 mph, there's no need for a bike to be lane splitting anyway, or even be able to. Lane-splitting by definition means that traffic is practically stopped; so if traffic is moving at all, bikes can't be legally lane-splitting--what they're doing is weaving between cars. Illegally, and probably drunkenly.
 
2013-01-19 07:03:43 PM

Z-clipped: I do flout traffic laws quite a lot, and I definitely speed more than most people on the road, but I don't actually go out of my way to frighten anyone. I do provoke police from time to time, but they generally have it coming.



Yet YOU'RE the safe one. Riiiight. I'll let you in on a little secret...YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM.
 
2013-01-19 07:06:01 PM

Tourney3p0: No one respects you as a person.


My point exactly. I wasn't considered a person when I was driving legally and defensively. Why should I care what they think of how I drive now? If sending a text while you're driving is more important to you than paying enough attention to avoid killing me, what obligation do I have to you at all?
 
2013-01-19 07:10:05 PM

Z-clipped:
If sending a text while you're driving is more important to you than paying enough attention to avoid killing me, what obligation do I have to you at all?


I see. So you only drive 160 mph, flouting traffic laws, and provoking cops when you're around drivers that are distracted. Good to know. I feel much safer sharing the road with you now. Thanks for setting my mind at ease.
 
2013-01-19 07:16:44 PM

susler: lordargent: Oznog: We don't check for a slim, faster-moving incoming bike 3 cars back between lanes.

When you say "We", you really mean "all of the people who don't check for motorcycles" and not "everyone that drives".

Because "We" do check for motorcycles.!

Yes and No. I always check the blind spot and, being a former rider, for motorcycles. I've still had situations where I didn't see the bike.

They can be difficult to see, particularly at night and if they aren't all splitting safely.


The trees of Michigan, just exactly the right height.
 
2013-01-19 07:16:57 PM
Even as a regular motorcycle rider and commuter, lane splitters make me nervous, particularly the ones that are going significantly faster than regular traffic. Not for own safety, but that I will feel guilty after I splatter you.

Keep the speed difference to a minimum please!
 
2013-01-19 07:17:51 PM

Gyrfalcon: And in 20+ years of living down here, I've never seen a bike hit in heavy traffic.


I've only lived in LA for 7 years, but during that time I've never seen an accident involving a motorcycle, and I've never had any incidents or "near misses" with any motorcycle, either. Perhaps because the riders I've seen have been good drivers---even the ones who share/split lanes---I have zero issue with them.

I can't say the same thing about other motorists in cars, though. Other car drivers scare the bejeezus out of me.

\I've been nearly hit several times crossing the street at a marked cross walk when I had permission to cross.
\\Car drivers only seem to watch out for other cars and completely forget to look for pedestrians and cyclists
\\\if car drivers don't notice people walking at cross walks, then they probably don't notice folks on motorcycles, either.
 
2013-01-19 07:18:48 PM

Snargi: dickfreckle: There's a reason it's legal in California...it makes sense.

Just because something is legal in California doesn't mean it makes sense.


Or illegal. See: marijuana prohibition.
 
2013-01-19 07:20:38 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Yet YOU'RE the safe one.


No, I manage risk, which is different. Mostly, I attempt to minimize your inattentiveness as a factor by giving you less of a window in which to do something unexpected that would affect me. That usually means moving faster than you, for starters. It also means that I don't wait behind you unless I absolutely have to. I think ahead, and take the quickest, safest line around you. Sometimes that means I get closer to you than you might be comfortable with, but 99 times out of a hundred, I'm clear of you long before you have time to react to me.

The other benefit of being the fastest thing on the road is that it reduces the number of things I have to anticipate by half.

Sin_City_Superhero: YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM.


So are you, if you have a problem with what the guy wrote in TFA. This isn't a "won't somebody please think of the bikers" article. He's basically saying the same thing I am: Keep calm, drive normally, and don't get butthurt because you got passed by a motorcycle that was lane-splitting. Don't panic. Everything will be OK.
 
2013-01-19 07:27:32 PM

lordargent: Fo Shiz : So these donorcyclists who split lanes at 80 are breaking the law?

In CA it's legal if (IIRC) the traffic is moving at less than 40 MPH.

If traffic is moving over 40MPH it's illegal even in CA. The idea being that air cooled bikes would overheat in stop and go traffic (also, with the way monkeys drive in stop and go traffic, I don't even want to be in the lane in a car).

// I ride way to the left of the #1 lane to give them plenty of space to pass through, unless I'm going at the CA standard speed range (65-85), you've got to be nuts to try lane splitting at those speeds.


Link
 
2013-01-19 07:30:09 PM

Z-clipped: Welcome to the thread where a bunch of automobile drivers stop willfully ignoring the presence and safety of motorcyclists just long enough to wag their fingers at them for "dangerous behavior" while simultaneously texting, putting on makeup, eating a Big Mac, posting to Fark, and disciplining their crotchfruit in the back seat.

And all because they're butthurt that someone who chose to drive a smaller vehicle is able to pass them in a traffic jam.

As someone who has ridden all year every year, for two decades: Please, please... just shut the hell up and go back to ignoring me. After all these years of learning how to survive your indifference, entitlement, and stupidity, I now find it preferable.


This argument implies that we're defending texting, putting on makeup, or eating a cheeseburger.  We are advocating the "same road, same rules"concept.

When I change lanes, I look to see that the lane I'm switching to is clear.  What you're advocating is akin to me crossing two lanes of traffic every time I need to move over.  It's completely asinine.

I'f i'm at a sop, I don't give a fark.  When I'm doing 60 on the highway I'd really prefer to not be what you run into when I change lanes, causing me to wait for the police, make a statement, exchange insurance info, get sued, etc. because you feel entitled to s separate set of farking rules.

It has NOTHING to do with jealousy.  It has everything to do with a uniform, predictable flow of traffic.
 
2013-01-19 07:31:13 PM

Z-clipped: Mostly, I attempt to minimize your inattentiveness as a factor


So, when you're coming up behind me at 70 mph faster than I'm traveling, just exactly HOW can you tell that I'm inattentive?
 
2013-01-19 07:31:40 PM
Author will stain the pavement once his ego inflates a little more. Its inevitable, having writing like that.

I guess he's never seen the photos.
 
2013-01-19 07:38:06 PM
Z-clipped, you have admitted to driving 160 mph, flouting traffic laws, provoking cops, etc. This is illegal, irresponsible, self-entitled and unsafe behavior. I hope that your license is suspended, and you realize that driving is a priviledge, not a right.
 
2013-01-19 07:56:21 PM
Funny thing about all these riders claiming car drivers shouldn't care about how they ride their bikes because, hey, it's their life and they'll "take responsibility for it"...

The first thing one of them (or their next of kin) will do the second they have a serious accident is lawyer up and sue the bejeezus out of anyone and everyone involved.

Run your mouth off about your super skills and personal responsibility, then show them a summons when you screw up and deny, deny, deny. Cuz that's the motherfarkin' American way.
 
2013-01-19 08:01:46 PM

Z-clipped: Tourney3p0: No one respects you as a person.

My point exactly. I wasn't considered a person when I was driving legally and defensively.


The lack of respect for you as a person has absolutely nothing to do with what other people do.

Just.. wow.
 
2013-01-19 08:07:46 PM

doyner: flucto: Beerguy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GH8D2EqDZs

Blame seems pretty clear in that one.

The guy crossing double yellow lines plus solid white, or the guy traveling at 10 times the speed of other traffic?


i cant speak for California, but in jersey its not illegal to cross a double white line (or a solid white line) unless there is a sign specifically stating so. Example: in the lincoln tunnel it says "stay in your lane" so crossing that solid line would be prohibited. Otherwise, it is fully legal.
From what i read in the comments above, lane splitting is legal in CA but you must remain below 30 mph. was this cyclist going less then 30? I cant say. My perception is a bit skewed by the fact that he;s flying down a canyon of cars thru a path maybe 5-6 feet wide. But if I had to guess I'd say he was going above it. All of this tells me the cyclist is at fault here. well partially at fault. Morally he's 100% at fault in my book.
 
2013-01-19 08:22:49 PM
Meh. Anybody who wants to kill his or herself on the road is welcome to do so, as long as it doesn't involve me or delay my travel.

This applies equally to dickhead ricers, fat douches crushing their nuts on a Harley (not that they were getting much use anyway, judging by the guts on most of the reliving-youth types around here), and scared old ladies reflex braking/swerving every time a leaf blows across the highway a half mile ahead.

The farking prize of this week appeared today: a sausage-fingered, costume jewelry- and fake nail clad, leggings-splitting piece of spectacular white trash swerving her 2005 Chrysler Town and Country in and out of the left lane doing 85 while yapping on her cell phone. New York plate "SUPRMOM", I hope you enjoy watching the DOT picking your three child seats out of trees and guardrails.
 
2013-01-19 08:26:16 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Z-clipped, you have admitted to driving 160 mph, flouting traffic laws, provoking cops, etc. This is illegal, irresponsible, self-entitled and unsafe behavior. I hope that your license is suspended, and you realize that driving is a priviledge, not a right.


Eh I hope he just farks up, wrecks, and dies. Is that wrong?
 
2013-01-19 08:27:41 PM

Beerguy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GH8D2EqDZs


But the dick in the article said that can't happen!!

/I ride
//Iron Butt Association SS1000 - 2-up
///always been taught to keep open space around me while riding. Lane splitting goes against that.
 
2013-01-19 08:31:19 PM

doyner: flucto: Beerguy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GH8D2EqDZs

Blame seems pretty clear in that one.

The guy crossing double yellow lines plus solid white, or the guy traveling at 10 times the speed of other traffic?


How many time did the motorcyclist cross the solid double yellow, and white lines while riding?
 
2013-01-19 08:35:27 PM

pharmacide: Sin_City_Superhero: Z-clipped, you have admitted to driving 160 mph, flouting traffic laws, provoking cops, etc. This is illegal, irresponsible, self-entitled and unsafe behavior. I hope that your license is suspended, and you realize that driving is a priviledge, not a right.

Eh I hope he just farks up, wrecks, and dies. Is that wrong?


Yes. That is wrong. He shouldn't die...yet. He should survive on life-support, just long enough to bankrupt his entire family, so that none of them can afford a vehicle, thereby keeping them off the roads.
 
2013-01-19 08:38:47 PM
Here in CA you also get points for style....

i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-19 09:05:23 PM

Tumunga: doyner: flucto: Beerguy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GH8D2EqDZs

Blame seems pretty clear in that one.

The guy crossing double yellow lines plus solid white, or the guy traveling at 10 times the speed of other traffic?

How many time did the motorcyclist cross the solid double yellow, and white lines while riding?


See, the rules don't apply to them.  So obviously it was the minivan's fault.
 
2013-01-19 09:19:41 PM

Z-clipped: Sin_City_Superhero: And THAT'S why you're an asshole.

Right. It doesn't matter how much of an asshole everyone else on the road is, or that they would happily kill me to get to Qdoba five minutes earlier. All that matters is that I'M the asshole because I'm doing something you don't approve of.
Enjoy your coffee. Be sure to text your BFF Jill about how good it is.


My uncle's a biker. Been one for almost 40 years. If the man heard you saying this kind of idiotic bullshiat in real life, he'd snap your bike in two and drop it in the river--probably with you on it. If he caught you going 160, first he'd tell you--as he told me the first time he saw me on a motorcycle--they're not speed machines, then he'd laugh his ass off while the cops took care of that extraordinarily reckless driving problem you seem to have.

Personally, I approve of motorcycles. I do not approve of snot-nosed douchenozzles who are, in fact, assholes giving every other individual who choose to ride but is far more mature and responsible a bad name. Try being less of an ass and maybe people won't want to run your sorry ass over.
 
2013-01-19 09:27:26 PM
Ermahgerd...lane splitters.
 
2013-01-19 09:30:24 PM

Tat'dGreaser: I may not agree with it but it is kind of cool that CHP pretty much said "do it at your own risk". They realized people are going to do it, so why not let them but if they die it's all on them.


The reaaon lane spliting was ever not made illegal is due to CHP. Those old Kawi police bikes used to over heat when standing still.
 
2013-01-19 09:33:01 PM

Aigoo:

My uncle's a biker. Been one for almost 40 years. If the man heard you saying this kind of idiotic bullshiat in real life, he'd snap your bike in two and drop it in the river--probably with you on it. If he caught you going 160, first he'd tell you--as he told me the first time he saw me on a motorcycle--they're not speed machines, then he'd laugh his ass off while the cops took care of that extraordinarily reckless driving problem you seem to have.

Personally, I approve of motorcycles. I do not approve of snot-nosed douchenozzles who are, in fact, assholes giving every other individual who choose to ride but is far more mature and responsible a bad name. Try being less of an ass and maybe people won't want to run your sorry ass over.



You're just jealous of his mad skillz.
 
2013-01-19 10:07:01 PM
The only reason Z_clipped speeds is because he has to be at the gym in 26 minutes.
 
2013-01-19 10:11:49 PM
Having just picked up my bike from the shop, I'm getting a kick.
Yes, I split lanes. I have a 50 mile commute across LA and the few times I've had to make the drive in a car it has taken me around two and a half hours. On the bike I can usually make it in around an hour.

Here is an interesting read on why lane splitting should be legal in other states as well.

http://www.ridetowork.org/files/docs/LANE_SHARING_A_GLOBAL_SOLUTION_F O R_MOTORCYCLE_SAFETY.pdf

And don't forget, getting rear-ended may not be that serious for a car, but it can be much more dangerous for a motorcycle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7D0BTyJBeM
 
2013-01-19 10:12:41 PM

Big Dave: I've heard that the Police unions have something to do with keeping it legal in California.


I'd bet what you heard is correct:

My first time in California, I took I-5 from my conference hotel in Anaheim up to L.A.

Traffic was flowing about 45-50 MPH and I was amazed at how everyone seemed to play nicely together, even in moderately thick traffic. Then, suddenly, 5 CHP cycles passed between me and the guy next to me, doing what appeared to be about 10 miles an hour more than we were. No doubt it helps them to get to calls faster.

At first, I was startled. Then I was in awe of their skill. Then I realized they were either crazy or had a lot of brass resting on their seats, because the chances for mistakes seemed quite amplified.

In the days I was there, I got somewhat accustomed to seeing the practice, but I still would be amazed if there isn't a lot of mirror clipping.
 
2013-01-19 10:14:43 PM
It seems like a stupid thing to do. If you're on a motorcycle and you have an accident with a car then the person on the motorcycle gets hurt or killed no matter whose fault it is.
 
2013-01-19 10:22:00 PM
I don't care what you ride/drive. Don't do it like a jerk!

/29 years riding m/c.
//stop doing math. I know I'm old.
 
2013-01-19 10:23:34 PM

tstrimp: And don't forget, getting rear-ended may not be that serious for a car, but it can be much more dangerous for a motorcycle.


Well, yeah, when you can decelerate much quicker than the guy behind you you're gonna get hit.
 
2013-01-19 10:25:23 PM
Late to the party...

But... there's sure lots of asshole (ITG) box jockeys on Fark.

Go fark yourselves. We're already prepared for you all to be morons that don't know how to drive and we do just fine planning for it. You need to be assholes too?
 
2013-01-19 10:31:12 PM

IronTechV1: In the days I was there, I got somewhat accustomed to seeing the practice, but I still would be amazed if there isn't a lot of mirror clipping.


It's really not that bad... just pick you spot/line and go. If traffic is really slow or stopped... the cars can't move that fast anyway. Also... as in TFA... experience has taught me that from basic observation... I can tell what the driver is going to do before they do it.

Only bad experience I had (that wasn't some a-hole driver intentionally tying to crush me... which happens) was the dumbass that had a wheelbarrow in his truck with the handles sticking out of the side of the bed about 30"... that was not cool.
 
2013-01-19 10:33:14 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Late to the party...

But... there's sure lots of asshole (ITG) box jockeys on Fark.


Not yet, but there were. They're too busy going 160 mph on the highway at this hour, though.
 
2013-01-19 10:40:44 PM
I haven't minded them splitting traffic when it's backed up, what bugs me is when they do it when traffic is moving just fine and they are flying past over the limit; on or off the freeway. But that's more crappy drivers than it is a problem with motorcycles or splitting traffic.
 
2013-01-19 10:50:07 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: I can tell what the driver is going to do before they do it.


Funny thing: I never experienced even a close call up on the freeways (other than being initially startled by lane-splitting), but when I drove into town, I stopped for a fresh red light that the guy behind me apparently couldn't imagine I'd want to stop for. And it wasn't one of those stand-on-the-brakes stops, it was a steady, controlled stop from 15 miles an hour in traffic. Guy slammed right into me causing the seatbelt to break my wife's rib. From that point on, I determined I liked L.A.'s freeways better than the land-roads.

Come to think of it, I didn't see a lot of motorcyclists on the main land roads. Guess they play it smart and stick to the back roads if they're not on the highway. :)
 
2013-01-19 10:52:56 PM

FizixJunkee: dj_bigbird: Lane splitting is legal here in CA, it's a great way to deal with heavy traffic. And, it's safer.

This.

When cars are moving ~7 mph on the 405, motorcyclists are safe moving in and out of lanes. Plus, it's LEGAL for motorcyclists to "share lanes" with cars and other bikes.


Indeed. And we're used to it here. In fact, when I'm sitting in bad traffic and see a biker NOT doing this, I wonder why.
 
2013-01-19 10:53:35 PM

Z-clipped: Do you ever drive over the speed limit?


This is really not a good comparison is it? Driving 10 miles (or even 20 miles) over the speed limit will get you a fine. Driving 80 over will get you jail time.
 
2013-01-19 10:56:57 PM
Lane-splitting is illegal in Nevada, and it irritates me when I see a bike with a California tag doing it. But it REALLY pisses me off when I see a Las Vegas Metro cop do it on his Harley. I kind of expect Cali drivers to be unfamilliar with a Nevada law that doesn't exist where they come from, but motorcycle cops should follow the farking law.
 
2013-01-19 10:57:55 PM
If there were a referendum, I would vote to end lane splitting.
 
2013-01-19 11:01:27 PM

Krieghund: If there were a referendum, I would vote to end lane splitting.


Why?
 
2013-01-19 11:02:06 PM

Krieghund: If there were a referendum, I would vote to end lane splitting.


Jealous much?
 
2013-01-19 11:08:32 PM
As someone who does pretty much equal time between 2 wheels and 4 wheels, one thing constantly amazes me. The notion that because you are in a car you can do whatever the fark you want and not pay attention because hey, the car will protect you, right?

Screwing with a phone, putting on makeup, shaving, using a laptop, eating a steak dinner... I've seen it all and most of that was from my car. The number of responsible drivers seems to decrease year over year and be replaced by complacent dipshiats that think that because they drive a SUV or some luxury car, everyone should get out of their way.

You're operating a 2+ ton box of metal and fuel, being powered by a continuous explosion. Pay the fark attention.
 
2013-01-19 11:12:38 PM

Oznog: We don't check for a slim, faster-moving incoming bike 3 cars back between lanes. That may be in the blind spot too- and really this sort of check every time would be an unsafe distraction overall.


Life long California driver here, you bet I do check for motorcycles splitting lanes behind me. And always try to give them extra room when they pass.

\Don't like being told what to do, don't tell other people what to do.
\\I'll keep lane splitting and right turns on red thank you very much.
 
2013-01-19 11:33:06 PM
There's a whole lot of Observational Selection and Confirmation Bias going on in here. People are so pathetic and angry that a single asshole biker becomes the de facto model for all of them. That one guy blew past you doing 120? Now that's what they all do. I really do pity people who behave that way.

The percentage of dangerous bikers is no different than the percentage of dangerous drivers. Because the real factor there is the dangerous person. Many people suck, but not all of them do. I'm a perfectly safe rider. I keep my bikes maintained and I practice ATGATT. Helmet, jacket, gloves, pants, boots. I ride the speed limit, don't tailgate, don't lane split, and am constantly watching my surroundings. I've taken 2 MSF courses and I passed my DMV test on a 984cc sport bike. Every single rider I know is a safe one. They may not wear as much gear as I do but they have safe riding habits otherwise.

People insisting that all bikers are assholes get ignored. If you're making gross over-generalizations and spewing hatred at the same time then you're not adding to the conversation. Are you taking umbrage with something? Fine. But stay reasonable about it. Demonizing an entire group over the actions of a few just goes to demonstrate how irrational and pathetic you are.
 
2013-01-19 11:33:14 PM

Lorelle: FizixJunkee: dj_bigbird: Lane splitting is legal here in CA, it's a great way to deal with heavy traffic. And, it's safer.

This.

When cars are moving ~7 mph on the 405, motorcyclists are safe moving in and out of lanes. Plus, it's LEGAL for motorcyclists to "share lanes" with cars and other bikes.

Indeed. And we're used to it here. In fact, when I'm sitting in bad traffic and see a biker NOT doing this, I wonder why.


I am occasionally that rider... and it's because my dualsport's handlebars are wide and at the same height as pickup mirrors, so I need more room to spilt than the sportbike guys.

Where I fit, though, hell yes I split. I tell cage drivers who complain that it's a free country--they have every right to take the CMSP class and buy their own motorcycles.
 
2013-01-19 11:39:54 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: The percentage of dangerous bikers is no different than the percentage of dangerous drivers.


I think the percentage of "dangerous" bikers is lower.

The training and licensing is a lot more strict... and, honestly, dangerous bikers are culled from the herd at a larger rate than dangerous drivers.

Point still stands though...
 
2013-01-20 12:03:03 AM
Watch what happens when I open my door.
 
2013-01-20 12:28:02 AM

Baloo Uriza: Watch what happens when I open my door.


You cause an accident and your insurance rates go up? Maybe you get sued by the motorcyclist you injured. You're at fault for the accident, so maybe both.
 
2013-01-20 12:43:34 AM

stjohn: Baloo Uriza: Watch what happens when I open my door.

You cause an accident and your insurance rates go up? Maybe you get sued by the motorcyclist you injured. You're at fault for the accident, so maybe both.


I think his point is that by opening his car door, he has to replace his car door. The motorcyclist has to replace a splein, a kidney, three ribs, a femur, and his bike is totaled.
 
2013-01-20 12:48:29 AM
Fine, but when the bicycle assholes do it, I want to kill.

A few years back, I was stopped at a red light in the left turn lane, signalling for a left turn.  As the light turned green and I started up, three cyclist passed me on my left, riding right on the double yellow line and made slow, sloppy left turns ahead of me.

shiatheads.
 
2013-01-20 01:46:54 AM

Sin_City_Superhero: BadReligion: Z-clipped has to be a troll

What Z-clipped's bike might look like:
[badgertronics.com image 640x480]


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-20 01:47:39 AM
Repo Man: And that's why I always use my turn signals. I lived for years without a car, relying on bicycles and motorcycles for transportation. So many times people would change lanes, never see me, and as they didn't think there was anyone around, they didn't bother to use their turn signal (that's being charitable, I'm sure some of them were the type of slobs who just couldn't be bothered under any circumstance).

How about the ones that use their turn signals, but only let the light flash twice.

Like dude, you're only 1/4th of the way into this lane. Don't turn that signal off until you're all the way in the lane.

// In short, people drive like dumb asses. I've had my own dumb ass moments from time to time, but less than the average person. And then there are people who turn driving like a dumbass into a career.
 
2013-01-20 02:23:23 AM

lordargent: Oznog: We don't check for a slim, faster-moving incoming bike 3 cars back between lanes.

When you say "We", you really mean "all of the people who don't check for motorcycles" and not "everyone that drives".

Because "We" do check for motorcycles.

// IMO, there's a lot of people that shouldn't be on the road driving to begin with, those are the "We" you're referring to. Hell, some of them don't even bother checking for CARS, let alone motorcycles. YMMV according to state.

// I don't tailgate, I use my signals, I added wide angles to my side view mirrors so I can easily check lanes for cars/motorcycles, I don't run lights, etc ... but I speed like a motherfarker!


That's great, of all the "I don't" items you listed are overridden by the one "I do". Excessive speed is the number one cause of motor vehicle mishaps. Congratulations for being the biggest part of the problem of over thirty thousand deaths a year in the USA. You're so proud of you.
 
2013-01-20 02:35:23 AM
TwowheelinTim: That's great, of all the "I don't" items you listed are overridden by the one "I do". Excessive speed is the number one cause of motor vehicle mishaps. Congratulations for being the biggest part of the problem of over thirty thousand deaths a year in the USA. You're so proud of you.

I didn't start out as a speeder, when I first learned to drive, I did everything by the book. I studied before taking the written test, and got 100% on both the written and behind the wheel tests (the DMV person drew a happy face on the test sheet, ROFL).

In any event, once I got out there on the California freeways, I tried to go the limit (65) in the #1 lane ... that didn't last long.

Here in CA, you need to go 80 just to keep up with the flow of traffic.

You want to know how to drive 80 safely? Maintain your car and pay attention for upcoming dangers. CA freeways tend to be long and straight with visibility for miles.

I don't understand how people can hit cars that are parked in the emergency lane or rear end another vehicle when they come up on traffic. I can only assume that those people weren't paying attention to their driving for the former, and were following too close for the latter, or were going their normal speed in the rain/snow/ice.

It's not like cars magically fall out of the sky.
 
2013-01-20 02:43:41 AM
These guys and people - mostly Ghetto Cruisers(tm) around my neighborhood - that pass on the right on the road AND at intersections make me all stabby, subby.
 
2013-01-20 02:50:07 AM
This thread is full of drivers who voluntarily put other people's lives at risk for the sake of their own convenience every time they get into a vehicle. I guess I'm just the only one with the balls to take responsibility for it.

In the end, it's not about safety. You do dangerous shiat because it doesn't feel dangerous to you. You have no concept of the risk you subject others to. You vastly overestimate the damage my bike can do your car, and vastly underestimate the damage you can do to me. You have the silly notion that me sharing a lane with you for a split second puts you at significant risk, while you regularly choosing not to use a signal is no big deal for everyone else. You have no understanding of the actual dangers involved in driving, because you're locked in a giant, padded steel box, and to be quite frank, you just don't care about anything outside of that box.

Flame away hypocrites. It doesn't bother me. I know it's really rooted in your authoritarian rage that I'm able to break rules that you can't. Go ahead, wish death upon me. I'd rather die because I made a mistake, than because your Facebook status update couldn't wait til the next rest stop.
 
2013-01-20 03:06:48 AM
To motorcycle riders out there, please do not ride right next a Jeep Wrangler's rear wheels. That is a huge blind spot where everything just disappears. Oh, loud pipe save lives so it is okay to ride there? NO. The interior of the Jeep is louder than your exhaust. You are dead if I change lanes.
 
2013-01-20 03:11:31 AM

Z-clipped: This thread is full of drivers who voluntarily put other people's lives at risk for the sake of their own convenience every time they get into a vehicle. I guess I'm just the only one with the balls to take responsibility for it.


So it's not okay, but you're gonna go ahead and do it because everyone else is? What are you getting at, exactly? In the end, it IS about safety though. It could be the difference between life or death. Sure, you could speed and lane split irresponsibly all you want, but ultimately it's a risk you are taking that someone else could swipe you and knock you on your ass. Just don't biatch about it if it happens because YOU know that it could have happened. Ignorance isn't an excuse. Of course there are shiatty drivers out there. You take that risk when you pull out of your driveway every morning. There ain't nothing you're gonna do to change that. biatching about it on the internet sure isn't going to help and I highly doubt you are going to change anyone's opinion about it with your attitude.

I'm fine with lane splitters as long as the cyclists do it safely and responsibly in accordance with the law. If you are on a bike and can get by slow moving traffic, fine by me. Go ahead. I'd do it too if I could, so why not? Yeah, no shiat there are going to be salty people about it but again, like I said before, there's NOTHING you can do to change their stubborn ways, so just shut the fark up.
 
2013-01-20 03:15:28 AM

mjbok: Z-clipped: Do you ever drive over the speed limit?

This is really not a good comparison is it? Driving 10 miles (or even 20 miles) over the speed limit will get you a fine. Driving 80 over will get you jail time.


You're missing the point. I'm not making some kind of slippery slope argument. People think that driving 10 over isn't a big deal, so they do it because it's convenient. And they're right; most of the time, it isn't a big deal.

But they also willingly engage in numerous OTHER "convenient" behaviours that are incredibly dangerous to motorcycles. Over the years, I have learned that 80-90% of them are going to justify doing these things no matter how much education they have about them, and no matter how polite and law abiding I am on my bike. They're going to text, and eat, and fiddle, and talk on the phone, and let their attention wander because it's what they want to do. And they don't care if it kills me, because "it's my fault for riding a dangerous motorcycle in the first place". That's some tortured logic.

I used to get furious every day at that incredible lack of respect for my life. Then I bought a bike with 175hp at the wheel and race- quality brakes and suspension. Now it doesn't bother me.
 
2013-01-20 03:24:31 AM

studman 69: Z-clipped: This thread is full of drivers who voluntarily put other people's lives at risk for the sake of their own convenience every time they get into a vehicle. I guess I'm just the only one with the balls to take responsibility for it.

So it's not okay, but you're gonna go ahead and do it because everyone else is? What are you getting at, exactly? In the end, it IS about safety though. It could be the difference between life or death. Sure, you could speed and lane split irresponsibly all you want, but ultimately it's a risk you are taking that someone else could swipe you and knock you on your ass. Just don't biatch about it if it happens because YOU know that it could have happened. Ignorance isn't an excuse. Of course there are shiatty drivers out there. You take that risk when you pull out of your driveway every morning. There ain't nothing you're gonna do to change that. biatching about it on the internet sure isn't going to help and I highly doubt you are going to change anyone's opinion about it with your attitude.

I'm fine with lane splitters as long as the cyclists do it safely and responsibly in accordance with the law. If you are on a bike and can get by slow moving traffic, fine by me. Go ahead. I'd do it too if I could, so why not? Yeah, no shiat there are going to be salty people about it but again, like I said before, there's NOTHING you can do to change their stubborn ways, so just shut the fark up.


I'm glad to see that you've come around to my point of view. We're now saying essentially the same thing.

I'm not the one biatching. I'm not trying to change anyone's driving habits. I gave up that losing battle a long time ago. I won't cry if I get hurt. I take responsibility for my own risk. The only thing I'm calling for is an end to the hypocritical butthurt and outrage.
 
2013-01-20 05:26:07 AM

Z-clipped: This thread is full of drivers who voluntarily put other people's lives at risk for the sake of their own convenience every time they get into a vehicle. I guess I'm just the only one with the balls to take responsibility for it.

In the end, it's not about safety. You do dangerous shiat because it doesn't feel dangerous to you. You have no concept of the risk you subject others to. You vastly overestimate the damage my bike can do your car, and vastly underestimate the damage you can do to me. You have the silly notion that me sharing a lane with you for a split second puts you at significant risk, while you regularly choosing not to use a signal is no big deal for everyone else. You have no understanding of the actual dangers involved in driving, because you're locked in a giant, padded steel box, and to be quite frank, you just don't care about anything outside of that box.

Flame away hypocrites. It doesn't bother me. I know it's really rooted in your authoritarian rage that I'm able to break rules that you can't. Go ahead, wish death upon me. I'd rather die because I made a mistake, than because your Facebook status update couldn't wait til the next rest stop.


Dude, unwad your panties. They are so bunched up that they are making you angry.
 
2013-01-20 05:53:50 AM

Mock26: Dude, unwad your panties.


d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net
 
2013-01-20 07:51:11 AM
FTA -
I'll be gone before you know it.
how prophetic.

One day, a long time back, God spoke very clearly to me.
He didn't use his voice, he used what was at hand...
which was the echo of the wind as it whipped through the guardrail holes on that bridge.
The voice was getting louder as well. Then I noticed the reason was the end of my handlebars and the aforementioned guardrail holes were only six inches away from each other.
FTTTT FTTTT FTTTT FTTTT FTTTTFTTTT
that's an audible warning and whether you choose to observe it or not, well, that's up to you. As for me, I don't really want to experience a lot of pain...
 
2013-01-20 09:33:51 AM

ReverendJynxed: I rode a bike for many years and I would never split lanes because I don't trust the folks in cases. You know for a fact they aren't paying attention and you are still willing to risk your safety because you think you can out-stupid them.


Hear, hear! I don't trust drivers enough to split lanes anywhere. Personally, I think it's just plain stupid, I don't care how hot it is (Florida rider) or how much traffic there is, stay in your damn lane. There's way too much arrogance in the rider community about "freedom", and being a bad-ass, and making the personal choice to take unnecessary risks is an attempt to prove both. Some riders in this thread have argued with the drivers about "getting to Qdoba", but what is lane splitting? Need to get to the gym in 27 minutes?
 
2013-01-20 10:06:50 AM

dc0012c: ReverendJynxed: I rode a bike for many years and I would never split lanes because I don't trust the folks in cases. You know for a fact they aren't paying attention and you are still willing to risk your safety because you think you can out-stupid them.

Hear, hear! I don't trust drivers enough to split lanes anywhere. Personally, I think it's just plain stupid, I don't care how hot it is (Florida rider) or how much traffic there is, stay in your damn lane. There's way too much arrogance in the rider community about "freedom", and being a bad-ass, and making the personal choice to take unnecessary risks is an attempt to prove both. Some riders in this thread have argued with the drivers about "getting to Qdoba", but what is lane splitting? Need to get to the gym in 27 minutes?


If you were lane splitting you could probably get to the gym in 16...
 
2013-01-20 10:23:46 AM

santadog: In Asia, it's not just lane splitting, but Motorcycles and Scooters also get a "box" at the traffic lights.  All bikes move to the box during the red light in front of all the cars.  Any Motocycle or Scooter will take off faster than a car from the stop.


They've recently installed some here in Barcelona. Lane splitting is illegal here, but the police turn a blind eye. There's a huge number of motorbikes in the city and trying to stop them would either be futile or result in a week-long street-collapsing protest if they started writing tickets for it.
 
2013-01-20 01:25:08 PM
Umm, this is the law in California and other Southwestern states. It is done due to the fact that air cooled motorcycles can overheat in the summer months unless you are moving.
 
2013-01-20 01:34:52 PM
Oh, God, not this thread again. It's illegal in the US except for California, so if I accidentally injure you outside the Golden State, don't blame me. A$$holes.
 
2013-01-20 01:59:20 PM
The same bikers claiming "This is safer, it's good for everyone" are going to go lawsuit happy the first time they end up in a wreck because they were doing it.

And I'm going to have no sympathy for them.
 
2013-01-20 02:33:08 PM
Somebody needs to refresh his spank literature.
 
2013-01-20 03:38:22 PM

JuggleGeek: The same bikers claiming "This is safer, it's good for everyone" are going to go lawsuit happy the first time they end up in a wreck because they were doing it.

And I'm going to have no sympathy for them.


And they will more than likely lose, unless the person they hit was doing something illegal or dangerous.
 
2013-01-20 04:15:36 PM
Would you look at all the butthurt motherfarkers up in this thread angry because they make a conscious decision to be stuck in their vehicles in freeway gridlock.

Enjoy that impotent rage while I split on past your pathetic ass.
 
2013-01-20 08:40:39 PM

Mock26: And they will more than likely lose, unless the person they hit was doing something illegal or dangerous.


Yeah, but they still get to go through the joys of being sued.

moike: Enjoy that impotent rage while I split on past your pathetic ass.


It isn't jealousy or rage.  It's same road, same rules, dude.  Allowing a portion of traffic to create additional lanes makes every car's lane change equivalent to crossing 2 lanes for each shift over.
 
2013-01-20 08:46:47 PM

doyner: Mock26: And they will more than likely lose, unless the person they hit was doing something illegal or dangerous.

Yeah, but they still get to go through the joys of being sued.


Maybe. Maybe not.
 
2013-01-20 08:57:21 PM
doyner:
It isn't jealousy or rage.  It's same road, same rules, dude.  Allowing a portion of traffic to create additional lanes makes every car's lane change equivalent to crossing 2 lanes for each shift over.

No, no it does not...  Not in the least.

Maybe if there was an equal 1 to 1 ratio of four wheeled vehicles to two wheeled vehicles on the road... But that is far from the case.  You're not sitting in gridlock while a steady stream of motorcycles endlessly split past,you... This isn't India or China.

Occasionally, once in a great while, a motorcycle will filter past you.

In the United States motorcycle filtering whips the unwashed cage-laden masses into a frothy shiat-slinging frenzy...  But as others have pointed out, in the rest of the civilized world it's common practice.
 
2013-01-20 08:59:54 PM
I wonder if he came to read all the horrible things he admitted to after he sobered up this morning.
 
2013-01-20 09:02:34 PM

moike: doyner:
It isn't jealousy or rage.  It's same road, same rules, dude.  Allowing a portion of traffic to create additional lanes makes every car's lane change equivalent to crossing 2 lanes for each shift over.

No, no it does not...  Not in the least.

Maybe if there was an equal 1 to 1 ratio of four wheeled vehicles to two wheeled vehicles on the road... But that is far from the case.  You're not sitting in gridlock while a steady stream of motorcycles endlessly split past,you... This isn't India or China.

Occasionally, once in a great while, a motorcycle will filter past you.

In the United States motorcycle filtering whips the unwashed cage-laden masses into a frothy shiat-slinging frenzy...  But as others have pointed out, in the rest of the civilized world it's common practice.


I don't give a fark if one puts by me while stopped in traffic.  It's the asshats at high speed that split lanes while I'm doing 45+ that cause me to swerve away from a lane change that piss me off.
 
2013-01-20 09:15:17 PM
doyner:

I don't give a fark if one puts by me while stopped in traffic.  It's the asshats at high speed that split lanes while I'm doing 45+ that cause me to swerve away from a lane change that piss me off.

One... you're in farking Virginia.  Lanesplitting is only legal in the United States in California...  Where I am at.

Nobody should be lanesplitting in Virginia, period.  If they are... at low or high speeds, they're doing it around motorists who are not accustomed at all to motorcycles regularly filtering by.  If they bounce off a quarter panel it's their own damn fault.

Finally, that head of yours happens to sit on a stack of swivel joints in your neck.  They allow your head to turn from side to side.  You can even, (gasp) look over your shoulder before you change lanes instead of assuming that since there is nothing in your mirrors, there is nothing beside you.

If you can't be bothered to do that it's not the motorcycle you should worry about.  Your inattentive driving habits are going to have you changing lanes into the big rig that 'sneaks up' on you.  And well... graveyards are packed full of people who assumed they had the right of way.
 
2013-01-20 09:18:58 PM

moike: doyner:

I don't give a fark if one puts by me while stopped in traffic.  It's the asshats at high speed that split lanes while I'm doing 45+ that cause me to swerve away from a lane change that piss me off.

One... you're in farking Virginia.  Lanesplitting is only legal in the United States in California...  Where I am at.

Nobody should be lanesplitting in Virginia, period.  If they are... at low or high speeds, they're doing it around motorists who are not accustomed at all to motorcycles regularly filtering by.  If they bounce off a quarter panel it's their own damn fault.

Finally, that head of yours happens to sit on a stack of swivel joints in your neck.  They allow your head to turn from side to side.  You can even, (gasp) look over your shoulder before you change lanes instead of assuming that since there is nothing in your mirrors, there is nothing beside you.

If you can't be bothered to do that it's not the motorcycle you should worry about.  Your inattentive driving habits are going to have you changing lanes into the big rig that 'sneaks up' on you.  And well... graveyards are packed full of people who assumed they had the right of way.


I've lived in Cali and may have to go back.  And Looking over one's shoulder is all well and good if traffic is going roughly the same speed.  When a crotch rocket appears out of nowhere doing 5x the speed of traffic there's a problem.

And what inattentive habits have I advocated?  Why is SAME ROAD SAME RULES so goddamned burdensome?
 
2013-01-20 09:23:25 PM
doyner:
I've lived in Cali and may have to go back.  And Looking over one's shoulder is all well and good if traffic is going roughly the same speed.  When a crotch rocket appears out of nowhere doing 5x the speed of traffic there's a problem.

And what inattentive habits have I advocated?  Why is SAME ROAD SAME RULES so goddamned burdensome?


What I've gathered based on your posts in this thread so far is that you simply suck at driving...  So much to the point that you can't even comprehend why you are rolling safety hazard to other motorists who have to share the road with you.

When you do eventually die in a fire in that ball of twisted metal you can apparently barely control here's to hoping you don't take any innocent victims with you as you check out.

Done with you at this point, move along.
 
2013-01-20 09:28:50 PM

moike: What I've gathered based on your posts in this thread so far is that you simply suck at driving...  So much to the point that you can't even comprehend why you are rolling safety hazard to other motorists who have to share the road with you.

When you do eventually die in a fire in that ball of twisted metal you can apparently barely control here's to hoping you don't take any innocent victims with you as you check out.

Done with you at this point, move along.


What, precisely, have I said that has been as personally dickish as your post?

I'm quite confident I've driven in more places than you, but please continue to let your Cali motorcycle experience count for being a professional driver who deserves to his own set of rules.

BTW, there's a reason it's illegal in 49 states.
 
2013-01-20 10:32:03 PM

moike: This isn't India or China.

Occasionally, once in a great while, a motorcycle will filter past you.

In the United States motorcycle filtering whips the unwashed cage-laden masses into a frothy shiat-slinging frenzy... But as others have pointed out, in the rest of the civilized world it's common practice.


Please tell me you're not holding up India and China as "civilized".
 
2013-01-20 11:54:20 PM

doyner: moike: What I've gathered based on your posts in this thread so far is that you simply suck at driving...  So much to the point that you can't even comprehend why you are rolling safety hazard to other motorists who have to share the road with you.

When you do eventually die in a fire in that ball of twisted metal you can apparently barely control here's to hoping you don't take any innocent victims with you as you check out.

Done with you at this point, move along.

What, precisely, have I said that has been as personally dickish as your post?

I'm quite confident I've driven in more places than you, but please continue to let your Cali motorcycle experience count for being a professional driver who deserves to his own set of rules.

BTW, there's a reason it's illegal in 49 states.


You're going with an appeal to popularity?
 
2013-01-21 02:21:29 AM

Repo Man: doyner: 
I'm quite confident I've driven in more places than you, but please continue to let your Cali motorcycle experience count for being a professional driver who deserves to his own set of rules.


I realize doyner said the above Repo Man, but I saw it thanks to you quoting it...  And, I had to laugh.

I wouldn't say it's so much my 'Cali motorcycle experience' that qualifies me as a professional driver as so much as it is the last decade of holding numerous roadracing licenses with National sanctioning bodies that all had my name and 'Pro' or 'Expert' somewhere on them in big letters.

Well, there's that... And the trophy case sitting next to me that's packed with various plaques, awards, medals, trophies... etc.

So, I'd have to respond that a decade of being aptly labeled a 'Professional Driver' distinctly qualifies me as being able to sniff out exactly when someone like doyner has the aptitude behind the wheel bestowed on a tree sloth.  Boy's match is hitting the sandpaper but it just isn't catching flame... he'll never get a clue.

Now I've gotta be to the track in 26 minutes, but I'm quite confident I can get there in 12.
 
2013-01-22 12:30:48 PM

moike: Repo Man: doyner: 
I'm quite confident I've driven in more places than you, but please continue to let your Cali motorcycle experience count for being a professional driver who deserves to his own set of rules.

I realize doyner said the above Repo Man, but I saw it thanks to you quoting it...  And, I had to laugh.

I wouldn't say it's so much my 'Cali motorcycle experience' that qualifies me as a professional driver as so much as it is the last decade of holding numerous roadracing licenses with National sanctioning bodies that all had my name and 'Pro' or 'Expert' somewhere on them in big letters.

Well, there's that... And the trophy case sitting next to me that's packed with various plaques, awards, medals, trophies... etc.

So, I'd have to respond that a decade of being aptly labeled a 'Professional Driver' distinctly qualifies me as being able to sniff out exactly when someone like doyner has the aptitude behind the wheel bestowed on a tree sloth.  Boy's match is hitting the sandpaper but it just isn't catching flame... he'll never get a clue.

Now I've gotta be to the track in 26 minutes, but I'm quite confident I can get there in 12.


I can't say I didn't expect that level of self-absorbed drivel that completely missed the nuance of my statement.

Yes, I get it--as I saw in your profile--you're a racer.  The point that you miss is that public roadways aren't your private farking racetrack.  My comment was a subtle reference to the very kind of behavior you espouse; splitting lanes at high speeds because in your imminent ability you deserve to have a separate set of rules.  On a closed track, everyone is driving with more or less equal (relative) ability.  This is not so on public highways.

It's rather telling that you're so certain of how I drive based on my simple assertion that all drivers should operate under the same set of rules.  I have you farkied as IMAX now...you're a magnificent projector.
 
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