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(CNSNews)   A 15 year-old student is kicked out of school for refusing to wear the mark of the beast   (cnsnews.com) divider line 32
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2013-01-19 01:16:57 PM
5 votes:
But, in other news, why the hell is it so damn important that the school have RFID chips (yes, I know the kid won't wear the badges even w/o the chip because it signals participation in the program) on all their kids? I can see them using it as a safety feature, but to *expel* someone for not complying? Seems extreme to me. "Yes, we want you to be safe, but if you don't want to be safe, we're gonna f*ck with your future."
2013-01-19 01:47:32 PM
4 votes:

INeedAName: I see your point, but disagree with your overall premise. The school has implemented the feature to help ensure the student's safety, which the school is legally responsible for. When the kid refuses, the school believes it can no longer adequately care for the student's safety, and thus risks the safety of other students and expels the student.


Silly Jesus: They use them in the library, in the lunchroom, getting on buses, entering and leaving the school etc. They'd have to create and implement an entirely different system for her dumbass so getting rid of her seems logical. Plus, it will improve their average test scores, which often means more money for the school.


Back when I was a young'n in high school (2000-2004) we somehow managed to have a safe school environment without treating students like prisoners. Moreover- this doesn't keep anyone safer. It doesn't let you know when an unauthorized person is in the building, it doesn't let you know when students get in a fight, it doesn't tell you when jimmy is shooting up in the bathroom instead of taking a leisurely dump. This system has nothing to do with protection FOR the students, and is entirely for the protection of the school FROM the students, because they're terrified of the potential liability that comes with letting people make their own (potentially bad) decisions.
2013-01-19 01:43:29 PM
4 votes:
So we're creating children who are going to grow up and think "It's ok for {insert whatever authority here} to know where we are at all times. It's for our safety."?
2013-01-19 01:42:47 PM
4 votes:
Way to make people mock your decision by giving a retarded reason. How about you go after RFID chips because it is teaching kids that it is okay to have mandatory tracking attached to you?

False flag false flag!
2013-01-19 01:40:56 PM
4 votes:

xanadian: But, in other news, why the hell is it so damn important that the school have RFID chips (yes, I know the kid won't wear the badges even w/o the chip because it signals participation in the program) on all their kids? I can see them using it as a safety feature, but to *expel* someone for not complying? Seems extreme to me. "Yes, we want you to be safe, but if you don't want to be safe, we're gonna f*ck with your future."


Because some people think schools should be more like prisons. A tracking badge just lets you know where everyone is at all times. A computer system compares your current location with where they think you should be, and red-flags anything that looks suspicious. Not in class on time? The system knows. Go to the bathroom to smoke? The system knows how long you've been in there. Skipping school? The system logs whenever you enter or leave the building.

It's the ultimate punitive measure. You must do exactly what we tell you to, and in exactly the manner proscribed at the exact time, or else we know, and we'll punish you for it.
2013-01-19 01:45:33 PM
3 votes:
Pretty sure I'd have refused to wear an RFID tag on moral grounds (though not religious moral grounds). Also pretty sure I'd have flat out refused to change schools. (I'm stubborn that way.)
2013-01-19 01:41:04 PM
3 votes:

Dead for Tax Reasons: How is an id badge against her religion?

I guess the dmv won't have to worry about her showing up to get her drivers license. Oh she probably would want to drive, so that is an acceptable form of identification


It is the 'RF' portion and having to keep it on her person, so there is no conflict for drivers license.
2013-01-19 01:54:59 PM
2 votes:
A few decades back the vast majority of people would have balked in horror at the idea that we (or our kids) should be tracked like convicts wearing ankle bracelets.

Times change.

We've been conditioned for acceptance.

I wonder what's in store for subsequent generations?
2013-01-19 01:51:41 PM
2 votes:

rob.d: I have to ask this, but why would anyone support the school sticking tracking devices on their kids?


Because that's what you resort to when you start treating your students more like cattle. If you have one teacher for every 15-20 students you've got more than enough manpower on hand to handle anything short of a student riot. If you have one teacher for every 30, 40, or 50 students it's impossible to make sure everyone is being taken care of. It's a lot cheaper to tag them and track them electronically to give the semblance of being in control rather than actually create a safe and effective school environment.
2013-01-19 01:47:26 PM
2 votes:
I have to ask this, but why would anyone support the school sticking tracking devices on their kids?

That's what phones are for, and we parents already do that.
2013-01-19 01:38:46 PM
2 votes:
She should consider the first in a lifetime of lessons entitled: "No, you aren't special."
2013-01-19 01:37:34 PM
2 votes:

xanadian: But, in other news, why the hell is it so damn important that the school have RFID chips (yes, I know the kid won't wear the badges even w/o the chip because it signals participation in the program) on all their kids? I can see them using it as a safety feature, but to *expel* someone for not complying? Seems extreme to me. "Yes, we want you to be safe, but if you don't want to be safe, we're gonna f*ck with your future."


I see your point, but disagree with your overall premise. The school has implemented the feature to help ensure the student's safety, which the school is legally responsible for. When the kid refuses, the school believes it can no longer adequately care for the student's safety, and thus risks the safety of other students and expels the student.
2013-01-19 01:34:01 PM
2 votes:
Aww how cute. She thinks she matters.
2013-01-19 02:26:25 PM
1 votes:
Why doesn't she just take the badge and nuke it in the microwave for a few seconds? Repeat with every replacement badge.
2013-01-19 02:11:13 PM
1 votes:
This will become moot when we start inserting chips at birth.
2013-01-19 02:09:51 PM
1 votes:

Amos Quito: INeedAName: I see your point, but disagree with your overall premise. The school has implemented the feature to help ensure the student's safety,


Really? Badged and tracked students are "safer"?

Howzat?



They meant to say the administration's safety.
2013-01-19 02:03:59 PM
1 votes:

7th Son of a 7th Son: Aww how cute. She thinks she matters.


I think it's clear she does matter. She's receiving national attention, and you're reading and commenting about her, even.
2013-01-19 02:03:14 PM
1 votes:

INeedAName: xanadian: But, in other news, why the hell is it so damn important that the school have RFID chips (yes, I know the kid won't wear the badges even w/o the chip because it signals participation in the program) on all their kids? I can see them using it as a safety feature, but to *expel* someone for not complying? Seems extreme to me. "Yes, we want you to be safe, but if you don't want to be safe, we're gonna f*ck with your future."

I see your point, but disagree with your overall premise. The school has implemented the feature to help ensure the student's safety, which the school is legally responsible for. When the kid refuses, the school believes it can no longer adequately care for the student's safety, and thus risks the safety of other students and expels the student.


Ah, it's a liability thing. Makes more sense. And speaks volumes about our litigious society as a whole, I guess.
2013-01-19 02:02:39 PM
1 votes:
Thats complete bullshiat and I would never support a school actively tracking my child. Yes, I can understand the safety concerns, and to be honest I would be willing to GPS chip my child without his knowledge for emergencies, but thats spying/good parenting... which is entirely different from being an active Big Brother looming over their shoulder 24 hours a day.

Children require freedom so they can make their own decisions, especially poor ones, because it is a vital learning mechanic on the path to free and independent thought, as well as things like responsibility. They should be getting to class on time because its what they're supposed to do, not because their tracking system is about to start beeping at them.
2013-01-19 02:02:39 PM
1 votes:
I microwave all my IDs.
2013-01-19 02:02:19 PM
1 votes:

Fubini: rob.d: I have to ask this, but why would anyone support the school sticking tracking devices on their kids?

Because that's what you resort to when you start treating your students more like cattle. If you have one teacher for every 15-20 students you've got more than enough manpower on hand to handle anything short of a student riot. If you have one teacher for every 30, 40, or 50 students it's impossible to make sure everyone is being taken care of. It's a lot cheaper to tag them and track them electronically to give the semblance of being in control rather than actually create a safe and effective school environment.


Ironically, the people supporting her on this probably think we should slash education funding and teacher salaries.
2013-01-19 01:59:08 PM
1 votes:

INeedAName: I see your point, but disagree with your overall premise. The school has implemented the feature to help ensure the student's safety,



Really? Badged and tracked students are "safer"?

Howzat?
2013-01-19 01:56:51 PM
1 votes:

INeedAName: xanadian: But, in other news, why the hell is it so damn important that the school have RFID chips (yes, I know the kid won't wear the badges even w/o the chip because it signals participation in the program) on all their kids? I can see them using it as a safety feature, but to *expel* someone for not complying? Seems extreme to me. "Yes, we want you to be safe, but if you don't want to be safe, we're gonna f*ck with your future."

I see your point, but disagree with your overall premise. The school has implemented the feature to help ensure the student's safety, which the school is legally responsible for. When the kid refuses, the school believes it can no longer adequately care for the student's safety, and thus risks the safety of other students and expels the student.


Oh BS. The school started the program to indoctrinate the kids into being part of a surveillance state. There is no justification whatsoever for them wanting to track where a kid is. Honestly, how many high school kids go missing on school grounds and what kind of retarded kid or kidnapper wouldn't just remove the badge if they were leaving the school grounds? It's the government attempting to get kids used to it so they don't question it as adults. Period.

Now as far as this specific case goes, I think she and her family should have called it a day when the school was forced to offer the badge sans RFID chip. Instead it appears they pushed things too far based on the little said in the article about the circumstances.
2013-01-19 01:56:32 PM
1 votes:

Amos Quito: [israelstreet.org image 460x288]

This is silly. Kids have been wearing little badges forever.


That was my first thought...
2013-01-19 01:53:40 PM
1 votes:

INeedAName: xanadian: But, in other news, why the hell is it so damn important that the school have RFID chips (yes, I know the kid won't wear the badges even w/o the chip because it signals participation in the program) on all their kids? I can see them using it as a safety feature, but to *expel* someone for not complying? Seems extreme to me. "Yes, we want you to be safe, but if you don't want to be safe, we're gonna f*ck with your future."

I see your point, but disagree with your overall premise. The school has implemented the feature to help ensure the student's safety, which the school is legally responsible for. When the kid refuses, the school believes it can no longer adequately care for the student's safety, and thus risks the safety of other students and expels the student.


I'll bet money that they get marketing data from those chips and sell it to the highest bidder
2013-01-19 01:53:07 PM
1 votes:
So what's to prevent a kid from giving the badge to a friend to take to class and then skipping?
2013-01-19 01:44:09 PM
1 votes:

baka-san: That said, it's a public school(did some checking), and the supreme court has ruled time and time again, you are a minor in a public school, you can leave certain rights at the door.


The constitution specifically states that our rights are inalienable...
2013-01-19 01:41:14 PM
1 votes:

Private_Citizen: She should consider the first in a lifetime of lessons entitled: "No, you aren't special."


That should be a required class prior to registration as a Democrat.
2013-01-19 01:38:32 PM
1 votes:
Welcome to the panopticon. Thanks Jeremy.
2013-01-19 01:31:46 PM
1 votes:
How is an id badge against her religion?

I guess the dmv won't have to worry about her showing up to get her drivers license. Oh she probably would want to drive, so that is an acceptable form of identification
2013-01-19 12:43:42 PM
1 votes:
So.. be happy.  I was told that refusing the mark of the beast or whatever was SUPPOSED to be kind of tricky.  You can go high five everyone over how persecuted you are.
2013-01-19 12:17:42 PM
1 votes:
It is against my religion for my precious snowflake to get anything less than an A-.

Her recent B+ in math constitutes an unconscionable persecution of my people.
 
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