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2013-01-19 02:00:55 PM
I'm genuinely confused about how an ID is violating religion. I can see not wanting tracking chip and they offered to take it out, but she still won't use it.... My conclusion it that is all about being an AW.
/ Had to wear IDs around our necks at all times 15 years ago in high school and no leaving the building unless for gym class with the teacher or had written form to give to the guards at the doors...
 
2013-01-19 02:02:02 PM
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2013-01-19 02:02:09 PM
Either the article or the stance doesn't make sense. School updates layout of badges, decides to include RFID chips. Student objects to RFID chip, school compromises by removing RFID and still using new layout. Student refuses to use the new badge on grounds that it shows participation in the new program (in this case, the program is actually a new school year), but still wishes to participate in the school (aka, the program the badge signifies). Or perhaps they need to define what the "program" is in the article.

Perhaps my knowledge on RFID isn't up to snuff; I can guarantee there are uses that I'm not aware of. But I didn't know that RFID could GPS track like a phone could. Wouldn't it be more likely that the technology could be used as a simple swipe-pass system, like running a barcode through a reader, to verify that the student is actually a student? Wouldn't it be a solution to deter counterfeit badges allowing people who aren't a member of the school's students/staff to enter?
 
2013-01-19 02:02:19 PM

Fubini: rob.d: I have to ask this, but why would anyone support the school sticking tracking devices on their kids?

Because that's what you resort to when you start treating your students more like cattle. If you have one teacher for every 15-20 students you've got more than enough manpower on hand to handle anything short of a student riot. If you have one teacher for every 30, 40, or 50 students it's impossible to make sure everyone is being taken care of. It's a lot cheaper to tag them and track them electronically to give the semblance of being in control rather than actually create a safe and effective school environment.


Ironically, the people supporting her on this probably think we should slash education funding and teacher salaries.
 
2013-01-19 02:02:39 PM
I microwave all my IDs.
 
2013-01-19 02:02:39 PM
Thats complete bullshiat and I would never support a school actively tracking my child. Yes, I can understand the safety concerns, and to be honest I would be willing to GPS chip my child without his knowledge for emergencies, but thats spying/good parenting... which is entirely different from being an active Big Brother looming over their shoulder 24 hours a day.

Children require freedom so they can make their own decisions, especially poor ones, because it is a vital learning mechanic on the path to free and independent thought, as well as things like responsibility. They should be getting to class on time because its what they're supposed to do, not because their tracking system is about to start beeping at them.
 
2013-01-19 02:03:14 PM

INeedAName: xanadian: But, in other news, why the hell is it so damn important that the school have RFID chips (yes, I know the kid won't wear the badges even w/o the chip because it signals participation in the program) on all their kids? I can see them using it as a safety feature, but to *expel* someone for not complying? Seems extreme to me. "Yes, we want you to be safe, but if you don't want to be safe, we're gonna f*ck with your future."

I see your point, but disagree with your overall premise. The school has implemented the feature to help ensure the student's safety, which the school is legally responsible for. When the kid refuses, the school believes it can no longer adequately care for the student's safety, and thus risks the safety of other students and expels the student.


Ah, it's a liability thing. Makes more sense. And speaks volumes about our litigious society as a whole, I guess.
 
2013-01-19 02:03:42 PM

HempHead: Has any started selling child locator GPS' to pedofiles yet?


That is a great idea. It sells itself. Perverts can efficiently track and capture children. Parents will be scared of perverts grabbing their kids, so they'll buy trackers.
 
2013-01-19 02:03:42 PM
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2013-01-19 02:03:59 PM

7th Son of a 7th Son: Aww how cute. She thinks she matters.


I think it's clear she does matter. She's receiving national attention, and you're reading and commenting about her, even.
 
2013-01-19 02:06:23 PM

xanadian: But, in other news, why the hell is it so damn important that the school have RFID chips (yes, I know the kid won't wear the badges even w/o the chip because it signals participation in the program) on all their kids? I can see them using it as a safety feature, but to *expel* someone for not complying? Seems extreme to me. "Yes, we want you to be safe, but if you don't want to be safe, we're gonna f*ck with your future."


They offered to let her use a copy of the ID that didn't have the RFID chip. She insisted on using her old school ID instead. Mu guess is she didn't like the new school ID's and just wanted to be difficult about it.
 
2013-01-19 02:06:32 PM

Warlordtrooper: baka-san: xanadian: But, in other news, why the hell is it so damn important that the school have RFID chips (yes, I know the kid won't wear the badges even w/o the chip because it signals participation in the program) on all their kids? I can see them using it as a safety feature, but to *expel* someone for not complying? Seems extreme to me. "Yes, we want you to be safe, but if you don't want to be safe, we're gonna f*ck with your future."

School policy trumps all.  Even the silly ones, like hair styles ect.  Don't like it, bring it up at a school board meeting.

That said, it's a public school(did some checking), and the supreme court has ruled time and time again, you are a minor in a public school, you can leave certain rights at the door.

Please go lookup tinker vs des Moines. And realize that you are wrong


Look up Alaska School v. "Bong Hits 4 Jesus." (or whatever it was).

Brubold: Honestly, how many high school kids go missing on school grounds and what kind of retarded kid or kidnapper wouldn't just remove the badge if they were leaving the school grounds?


This is also a good point.
 
2013-01-19 02:07:03 PM

Dead for Tax Reasons: How is an id badge against her religion?


This. Jesus Christ, Mr. Half-Assed Article Writer Guy. Details matter.
 
2013-01-19 02:09:50 PM
Take the badge throw it in the microwave for 1-3 sec. short out the rfid chip. If they replace it do it again.
 
2013-01-19 02:09:51 PM

Amos Quito: INeedAName: I see your point, but disagree with your overall premise. The school has implemented the feature to help ensure the student's safety,


Really? Badged and tracked students are "safer"?

Howzat?



They meant to say the administration's safety.
 
2013-01-19 02:10:15 PM
It's good to know where the cattle are grazing.
 
2013-01-19 02:10:36 PM
Wait until she gets a job where a badge with a chip in it is required.
Then what?
 
2013-01-19 02:11:13 PM
This will become moot when we start inserting chips at birth.
 
2013-01-19 02:12:55 PM
If people don't stand up for what they believe in, why bother at all?

Rather than denigrate her, wouldn't it be better to thank her for having the 'courage of her convictions' ?

Don't we all, historically and generally, respect those who stand up for what they believe is right (even though, sometimes, they end up being wrong)? Reading the comments here, it seems most of you would prefer she just submit and lie down. How would that make her a better person? How would that make the world a better place?

/How about Rosa Parks? MLK? Should they have just taken it? How about women who wanted to vote?
//G-23 Paxilon Hydrochlorate, anyone?
 
2013-01-19 02:13:51 PM

borg: Take the badge throw it in the microwave for 1-3 sec. short out the rfid chip. If they replace it do it again.


I did this at disney world with some strong earth magnets in my pocket. The replacement tickets got me trips to the front of a bunch of lines for the hassle. This was a few years ago, so your miles may vary.
 
2013-01-19 02:17:14 PM

nexxus:

/How about Rosa Parks? MLK? Should they have just taken it? How about women who wanted to vote?


I hear what you're saying, but this straw-man is pretty ridiculous.
 
2013-01-19 02:18:59 PM

cig-mkr: Wait until she gets a job where a badge with a chip in it is required.
Then what?


Two points:
* Whether she works for a company that requires RFID badges will be her choice, hopefully.
* The requirement will be imposed by a company, not a government. Perhaps it makes a difference to her; it would to me. I do not care to be 'chipped' by a government .. whether in my passport, in an ID, or in my person (and it *is* a slippery slope). I may, however, elect to chip myself (using a device with security and other features that satisfy *me*) to simplify or ease access to my business or home, or for other purposes.

It really sounds like it's the principle of thing, assuming she's not just being an asshat and arguing for the attention. I can - to some degree - understand not wanting to wear the badge at all (even sans RFID), if you very strongly believe that the concept is wrong.
 
2013-01-19 02:20:41 PM

Glancing Blow: nexxus:

/How about Rosa Parks? MLK? Should they have just taken it? How about women who wanted to vote?


I hear what you're saying, but this straw-man is pretty ridiculous.


It's a little over the top, sure. But that doesn't make it wrong.
 
2013-01-19 02:24:14 PM

borg: Take the badge throw it in the microwave for 1-3 sec. short out the rfid chip. If they replace it do it again.


Probably be disciplined, and eventually expelled, for destruction of school property.
 
2013-01-19 02:26:25 PM
Why doesn't she just take the badge and nuke it in the microwave for a few seconds? Repeat with every replacement badge.
 
2013-01-19 02:36:34 PM
I still can't wrap my brains around kids having to wear ID badges at school. Sure, I had an ID card for a year when I was in a Catholic high school in the 90s but it doubled as my library card and as my proof of being a student to get discounts on public transportation. The card stayed in my wallet. I didn't have to dangle it around my neck.

But then again, this is Northside ISD in San Antonio. Comprised of spoiled brats, McMansions, moms on therapeutic doses of Valium, and guys who live their life hoping to be elected to the HOA presidency.

/Seriously, last time I was there, the student parking lot at John Jay was probably 40% Beemers and Lexuses.
 
2013-01-19 02:38:58 PM
How nice... her parents are raising a failure who will never get a job in the modern corporate workplace in which employees have to wear badges that contain tracking chips.
 
2013-01-19 02:49:00 PM
I don't think the schools excuse for requiring the RFID's is good enough. Even if you don't agree with her claim of it violating her 1st amendment rights, I would think it would be a violation of the 4th amendment, and hell, I would throw the 9th amendment in there just to shake it up a bit.

If she has a strong affiliation with a church, then yes, go ahead and claim a violation of the 1st amendment. Public schools are a government entity, and in my opinion it's a clear violation.

An RFID is not going to keep anyone safer and in this particular case, that has only been mentioned as a trailing afterthought. Personally, I don't even see how it will increase attendance. If she's not there at attendance or if she's not able to be tracked, she can still be punished either way.
 
2013-01-19 03:08:28 PM

gblive: How nice... her parents are raising a failure who will never get a job in the modern corporate workplace in which employees have to wear badges that contain tracking chips.


I've worked in a lot of places that have RFID badges, but never in one where they were used for tracking beyond access point logging. I would not be keen on movement tracking in either a work or school environment. Nobody needs that type of absurd micromanagement in their lives.
 
2013-01-19 03:16:29 PM

Maul555: Why doesn't she just take the badge and nuke it in the microwave for a few seconds? Repeat with every replacement badge.


or after school hours put it in a rfid blocking pouch.
 
2013-01-19 03:21:13 PM

Fubini: rob.d: I have to ask this, but why would anyone support the school sticking tracking devices on their kids?

Because that's what you resort to when you start treating your students more like cattle. If you have one teacher for every 15-20 students you've got more than enough manpower on hand to handle anything short of a student riot. If you have one teacher for every 30, 40, or 50 students it's impossible to make sure everyone is being taken care of. It's a lot cheaper to tag them and track them electronically to give the semblance of being in control rather than actually create a safe and effective school environment.


50 students per teacher in high school?

No wonder all my friends who live in the USA send their kids to private school.
 
2013-01-19 05:18:57 PM

vrax: gblive: How nice... her parents are raising a failure who will never get a job in the modern corporate workplace in which employees have to wear badges that contain tracking chips.

I've worked in a lot of places that have RFID badges, but never in one where they were used for tracking beyond access point logging. I would not be keen on movement tracking in either a work or school environment. Nobody needs that type of absurd micromanagement in their lives.


You are in for a big surprise. 475 out of the Fortune 500 companies have purchased RFID systems to track employees. It is not just for inventory tracking anymore. Most employees do not even realize they are being tracked. Welcome to the modern era.
 
2013-01-19 06:51:34 PM

gblive: vrax: gblive: How nice... her parents are raising a failure who will never get a job in the modern corporate workplace in which employees have to wear badges that contain tracking chips.

I've worked in a lot of places that have RFID badges, but never in one where they were used for tracking beyond access point logging. I would not be keen on movement tracking in either a work or school environment. Nobody needs that type of absurd micromanagement in their lives.

You are in for a big surprise. 475 out of the Fortune 500 companies have purchased RFID systems to track employees. It is not just for inventory tracking anymore. Most employees do not even realize they are being tracked. Welcome to the modern era.


Well, then it's something to ask about during an interview. Having worked with jack-off micromanagers before, there's no way in hell I would have someone tracking my every step. Once you work with adults who treat others as adults, you won't go back to stupid shiat like this.
 
2013-01-20 11:31:37 AM

vrax: gblive: vrax: gblive: How nice... her parents are raising a failure who will never get a job in the modern corporate workplace in which employees have to wear badges that contain tracking chips.

I've worked in a lot of places that have RFID badges, but never in one where they were used for tracking beyond access point logging. I would not be keen on movement tracking in either a work or school environment. Nobody needs that type of absurd micromanagement in their lives.

You are in for a big surprise. 475 out of the Fortune 500 companies have purchased RFID systems to track employees. It is not just for inventory tracking anymore. Most employees do not even realize they are being tracked. Welcome to the modern era.

Well, then it's something to ask about during an interview. Having worked with jack-off micromanagers before, there's no way in hell I would have someone tracking my every step. Once you work with adults who treat others as adults, you won't go back to stupid shiat like this.


Actually most managers in the workplace do not have access to tracking information or even know that this is being done. The RFID tracking systems are used by Security Departments to investigate theft and other issues in the workplace, they are not in place so managers can track their employees and be 'micro-managers'.
 
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