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2013-01-19 12:17:42 PM
It is against my religion for my precious snowflake to get anything less than an A-.

Her recent B+ in math constitutes an unconscionable persecution of my people.
 
2013-01-19 12:43:42 PM
So.. be happy.  I was told that refusing the mark of the beast or whatever was SUPPOSED to be kind of tricky.  You can go high five everyone over how persecuted you are.
 
2013-01-19 12:45:18 PM
Anybody know where he went when he was kicked out?
 
2013-01-19 01:15:14 PM

Relatively Obscure: So.. be happy.  I was told that refusing the mark of the beast or whatever was SUPPOSED to be kind of tricky.  You can go high five everyone over how persecuted you are.


You jest, but this is *exactly* the line of thinking going back as far as the 80s, or even earlier. All this shiat's gonna do is fuel the conspiracy theory to new levels. With JP5. Or maybe rocket fuel. Or dilithium crystals.

What we're REALLY seeing here isn't Satan imposing his will on the faithful. What we're seeing is the school quashing a rebellious teenager (and their family). ....Well, with that having been said, I had always thought school administrators WERE the devil, but whatever.
 
2013-01-19 01:16:57 PM
But, in other news, why the hell is it so damn important that the school have RFID chips (yes, I know the kid won't wear the badges even w/o the chip because it signals participation in the program) on all their kids? I can see them using it as a safety feature, but to *expel* someone for not complying? Seems extreme to me. "Yes, we want you to be safe, but if you don't want to be safe, we're gonna f*ck with your future."
 
2013-01-19 01:31:08 PM
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This is silly. Kids have been wearing little badges forever.
 
2013-01-19 01:31:46 PM
How is an id badge against her religion?

I guess the dmv won't have to worry about her showing up to get her drivers license. Oh she probably would want to drive, so that is an acceptable form of identification
 
2013-01-19 01:34:01 PM
Aww how cute. She thinks she matters.
 
2013-01-19 01:36:58 PM
Haven't we had multiple stories on this, or is this a follow-up?
 
2013-01-19 01:37:34 PM

xanadian: But, in other news, why the hell is it so damn important that the school have RFID chips (yes, I know the kid won't wear the badges even w/o the chip because it signals participation in the program) on all their kids? I can see them using it as a safety feature, but to *expel* someone for not complying? Seems extreme to me. "Yes, we want you to be safe, but if you don't want to be safe, we're gonna f*ck with your future."


I see your point, but disagree with your overall premise. The school has implemented the feature to help ensure the student's safety, which the school is legally responsible for. When the kid refuses, the school believes it can no longer adequately care for the student's safety, and thus risks the safety of other students and expels the student.
 
2013-01-19 01:38:14 PM
Why don't they just implant the tracking chip in the form of a flu shot like the rest of us get ours?

I'm sure her god wouldn't punish her if she truly didn't know she was being tracked...

:-)
 
2013-01-19 01:38:21 PM

xanadian: But, in other news, why the hell is it so damn important that the school have RFID chips (yes, I know the kid won't wear the badges even w/o the chip because it signals participation in the program) on all their kids? I can see them using it as a safety feature, but to *expel* someone for not complying? Seems extreme to me. "Yes, we want you to be safe, but if you don't want to be safe, we're gonna f*ck with your future."


School policy trumps all.  Even the silly ones, like hair styles ect.  Don't like it, bring it up at a school board meeting.

That said, it's a public school(did some checking), and the supreme court has ruled time and time again, you are a minor in a public school, you can leave certain rights at the door.
 
2013-01-19 01:38:32 PM
Welcome to the panopticon. Thanks Jeremy.
 
2013-01-19 01:38:46 PM
She should consider the first in a lifetime of lessons entitled: "No, you aren't special."
 
2013-01-19 01:38:52 PM
Has any started selling child locator GPS' to pedofiles yet?
 
2013-01-19 01:39:18 PM

xanadian: But, in other news, why the hell is it so damn important that the school have RFID chips (yes, I know the kid won't wear the badges even w/o the chip because it signals participation in the program) on all their kids? I can see them using it as a safety feature, but to *expel* someone for not complying? Seems extreme to me. "Yes, we want you to be safe, but if you don't want to be safe, we're gonna f*ck with your future."


They use them in the library, in the lunchroom, getting on buses, entering and leaving the school etc. They'd have to create and implement an entirely different system for her dumbass so getting rid of her seems logical. Plus, it will improve their average test scores, which often means more money for the school.
 
2013-01-19 01:39:26 PM
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...and put a GPS ankle bracelet on her.
 
2013-01-19 01:40:56 PM

xanadian: But, in other news, why the hell is it so damn important that the school have RFID chips (yes, I know the kid won't wear the badges even w/o the chip because it signals participation in the program) on all their kids? I can see them using it as a safety feature, but to *expel* someone for not complying? Seems extreme to me. "Yes, we want you to be safe, but if you don't want to be safe, we're gonna f*ck with your future."


Because some people think schools should be more like prisons. A tracking badge just lets you know where everyone is at all times. A computer system compares your current location with where they think you should be, and red-flags anything that looks suspicious. Not in class on time? The system knows. Go to the bathroom to smoke? The system knows how long you've been in there. Skipping school? The system logs whenever you enter or leave the building.

It's the ultimate punitive measure. You must do exactly what we tell you to, and in exactly the manner proscribed at the exact time, or else we know, and we'll punish you for it.
 
2013-01-19 01:41:04 PM

Dead for Tax Reasons: How is an id badge against her religion?

I guess the dmv won't have to worry about her showing up to get her drivers license. Oh she probably would want to drive, so that is an acceptable form of identification


It is the 'RF' portion and having to keep it on her person, so there is no conflict for drivers license.
 
2013-01-19 01:41:09 PM
www.jesus-is-savior.com
 
2013-01-19 01:41:14 PM

Private_Citizen: She should consider the first in a lifetime of lessons entitled: "No, you aren't special."


That should be a required class prior to registration as a Democrat.
 
2013-01-19 01:42:47 PM
Way to make people mock your decision by giving a retarded reason. How about you go after RFID chips because it is teaching kids that it is okay to have mandatory tracking attached to you?

False flag false flag!
 
2013-01-19 01:43:12 PM

Dead for Tax Reasons: How is an id badge against her religion?

I guess the dmv won't have to worry about her showing up to get her drivers license. Oh she probably would want to drive, so that is an acceptable form of identification


And I bet this kid, as well as everyone in her family, refuses to carry a cell phone, too, because of the ability to be tracked by GPS.
 
2013-01-19 01:43:29 PM
So we're creating children who are going to grow up and think "It's ok for {insert whatever authority here} to know where we are at all times. It's for our safety."?
 
2013-01-19 01:44:09 PM

baka-san: That said, it's a public school(did some checking), and the supreme court has ruled time and time again, you are a minor in a public school, you can leave certain rights at the door.


The constitution specifically states that our rights are inalienable...
 
2013-01-19 01:44:32 PM
I want to join the Army but I don't want to wear the uniform. It violates my religion.
 
2013-01-19 01:45:33 PM
Pretty sure I'd have refused to wear an RFID tag on moral grounds (though not religious moral grounds). Also pretty sure I'd have flat out refused to change schools. (I'm stubborn that way.)
 
2013-01-19 01:47:26 PM
I have to ask this, but why would anyone support the school sticking tracking devices on their kids?

That's what phones are for, and we parents already do that.
 
2013-01-19 01:47:32 PM

INeedAName: I see your point, but disagree with your overall premise. The school has implemented the feature to help ensure the student's safety, which the school is legally responsible for. When the kid refuses, the school believes it can no longer adequately care for the student's safety, and thus risks the safety of other students and expels the student.


Silly Jesus: They use them in the library, in the lunchroom, getting on buses, entering and leaving the school etc. They'd have to create and implement an entirely different system for her dumbass so getting rid of her seems logical. Plus, it will improve their average test scores, which often means more money for the school.


Back when I was a young'n in high school (2000-2004) we somehow managed to have a safe school environment without treating students like prisoners. Moreover- this doesn't keep anyone safer. It doesn't let you know when an unauthorized person is in the building, it doesn't let you know when students get in a fight, it doesn't tell you when jimmy is shooting up in the bathroom instead of taking a leisurely dump. This system has nothing to do with protection FOR the students, and is entirely for the protection of the school FROM the students, because they're terrified of the potential liability that comes with letting people make their own (potentially bad) decisions.
 
2013-01-19 01:49:19 PM
Ugh...this is stupid as far as the "mark of the beast" issue goes. Now if they required students to have a chip inserted under their skin, then I would understand. It's not really the "mark of the beast" if it's a school ID card that is worn on a lanyard or carried in a pocket. And as other farkers have mentioned, how may other "marks" do you think she's carrying? Cell phone...credit card...driver license...etc.
 
2013-01-19 01:50:26 PM

Honest Bender: baka-san: That said, it's a public school(did some checking), and the supreme court has ruled time and time again, you are a minor in a public school, you can leave certain rights at the door.

The constitution specifically states that our rights are inalienable...


Unlike corporations, minors are not people.
 
2013-01-19 01:50:29 PM

liam76: Dead for Tax Reasons: How is an id badge against her religion?

I guess the dmv won't have to worry about her showing up to get her drivers license. Oh she probably would want to drive, so that is an acceptable form of identification

It is the 'RF' portion and having to keep it on her person, so there is no conflict for drivers license.


Yeah, I don't like the idea of he rfid but she said she won't even wear it w/o the chip
 
2013-01-19 01:50:43 PM

INeedAName: xanadian: But, in other news, why the hell is it so damn important that the school have RFID chips (yes, I know the kid won't wear the badges even w/o the chip because it signals participation in the program) on all their kids? I can see them using it as a safety feature, but to *expel* someone for not complying? Seems extreme to me. "Yes, we want you to be safe, but if you don't want to be safe, we're gonna f*ck with your future."

I see your point, but disagree with your overall premise. The school has implemented the feature to help ensure the student's safety, which the school is legally responsible for. When the kid refuses, the school believes it can no longer adequately care for the student's safety, and thus risks the safety of other students and expels the student.


That may be true, but the other purpose is to provide accurate headcount for state funding of schools.

I guess she doesn't carry a cell phone with all that tracking capability.
 
2013-01-19 01:51:39 PM

Fubini: INeedAName: I see your point, but disagree with your overall premise. The school has implemented the feature to help ensure the student's safety, which the school is legally responsible for. When the kid refuses, the school believes it can no longer adequately care for the student's safety, and thus risks the safety of other students and expels the student.

Silly Jesus: They use them in the library, in the lunchroom, getting on buses, entering and leaving the school etc. They'd have to create and implement an entirely different system for her dumbass so getting rid of her seems logical. Plus, it will improve their average test scores, which often means more money for the school.

Back when I was a young'n in high school (2000-2004) we somehow managed to have a safe school environment without treating students like prisoners. Moreover- this doesn't keep anyone safer. It doesn't let you know when an unauthorized person is in the building, it doesn't let you know when students get in a fight, it doesn't tell you when jimmy is shooting up in the bathroom instead of taking a leisurely dump. This system has nothing to do with protection FOR the students, and is entirely for the protection of the school FROM the students, because they're terrified of the potential liability that comes with letting people make their own (potentially bad) decisions.


Meh, regardless, she had a stupid reason to oppose it. The school is now smarter.
 
2013-01-19 01:51:41 PM

rob.d: I have to ask this, but why would anyone support the school sticking tracking devices on their kids?


Because that's what you resort to when you start treating your students more like cattle. If you have one teacher for every 15-20 students you've got more than enough manpower on hand to handle anything short of a student riot. If you have one teacher for every 30, 40, or 50 students it's impossible to make sure everyone is being taken care of. It's a lot cheaper to tag them and track them electronically to give the semblance of being in control rather than actually create a safe and effective school environment.
 
2013-01-19 01:52:07 PM

Fubini: xanadian: But, in other news, why the hell is it so damn important that the school have RFID chips (yes, I know the kid won't wear the badges even w/o the chip because it signals participation in the program) on all their kids? I can see them using it as a safety feature, but to *expel* someone for not complying? Seems extreme to me. "Yes, we want you to be safe, but if you don't want to be safe, we're gonna f*ck with your future."

Because some people think schools should be more like prisons. A tracking badge just lets you know where everyone is at all times. A computer system compares your current location with where they think you should be, and red-flags anything that looks suspicious. Not in class on time? The system knows. Go to the bathroom to smoke? The system knows how long you've been in there. Skipping school? The system logs whenever you enter or leave the building.

It's the ultimate punitive measure. You must do exactly what we tell you to, and in exactly the manner proscribed at the exact time, or else we know, and we'll punish you for it.


So, where do you stand on the issue of armed guards in the pris... I mean school?
 
2013-01-19 01:52:12 PM
The comments are pure gold
Ken08534 zonable • 3 hours ago



It IS a charter/magnet school.

She WILL continue to attend public school.

There ARE other children that want to attend the school.

I find it interesting that everyone chooses to focus on 'spooky' RFID technology but ignores the motivation for the system in the first place - that the school/teachers couldn't get the kids in the classroom on-time for first period attendance.


and the reply...
zonable Ken08534 • 2 hours ago



PROGRESSIVE ON BOARD, KEN08534; LOVES GOVERNMENT SCHOOLS......okay.....everyone ready?........"click".......tuned out.
 
2013-01-19 01:53:07 PM
So what's to prevent a kid from giving the badge to a friend to take to class and then skipping?
 
2013-01-19 01:53:19 PM

Glancing Blow: I guess she doesn't carry a cell phone with all that tracking capability


She carries her bible, which is like a cellphone to God, but without Angry Birds. Well unless you count the birds that picked at Judas' spilled intestines, I'm sure they weren't too happy.
 
2013-01-19 01:53:40 PM

INeedAName: xanadian: But, in other news, why the hell is it so damn important that the school have RFID chips (yes, I know the kid won't wear the badges even w/o the chip because it signals participation in the program) on all their kids? I can see them using it as a safety feature, but to *expel* someone for not complying? Seems extreme to me. "Yes, we want you to be safe, but if you don't want to be safe, we're gonna f*ck with your future."

I see your point, but disagree with your overall premise. The school has implemented the feature to help ensure the student's safety, which the school is legally responsible for. When the kid refuses, the school believes it can no longer adequately care for the student's safety, and thus risks the safety of other students and expels the student.


I'll bet money that they get marketing data from those chips and sell it to the highest bidder
 
2013-01-19 01:54:59 PM
A few decades back the vast majority of people would have balked in horror at the idea that we (or our kids) should be tracked like convicts wearing ankle bracelets.

Times change.

We've been conditioned for acceptance.

I wonder what's in store for subsequent generations?
 
2013-01-19 01:55:29 PM

Dead for Tax Reasons: How is an id badge against her religion?

I guess the dmv won't have to worry about her showing up to get her drivers license. Oh she probably would want to drive, so that is an acceptable form of identification


This is actually my question also.

As far as being for "safety" it's about money, in my opinion. They use it to track attendance to make sure they get paid.
 
2013-01-19 01:56:04 PM

baka-san: xanadian: But, in other news, why the hell is it so damn important that the school have RFID chips (yes, I know the kid won't wear the badges even w/o the chip because it signals participation in the program) on all their kids? I can see them using it as a safety feature, but to *expel* someone for not complying? Seems extreme to me. "Yes, we want you to be safe, but if you don't want to be safe, we're gonna f*ck with your future."

School policy trumps all.  Even the silly ones, like hair styles ect.  Don't like it, bring it up at a school board meeting.

That said, it's a public school(did some checking), and the supreme court has ruled time and time again, you are a minor in a public school, you can leave certain rights at the door.


Please go lookup tinker vs des Moines. And realize that you are wrong
 
2013-01-19 01:56:32 PM

Amos Quito: [israelstreet.org image 460x288]

This is silly. Kids have been wearing little badges forever.


That was my first thought...
 
2013-01-19 01:56:37 PM
Private_Citizen: She should consider the first in a lifetime of lessons entitled: "No, you aren't special."

That should be a required class prior to registration as a DemocratRepublican.


FTFY
 
2013-01-19 01:56:51 PM

INeedAName: xanadian: But, in other news, why the hell is it so damn important that the school have RFID chips (yes, I know the kid won't wear the badges even w/o the chip because it signals participation in the program) on all their kids? I can see them using it as a safety feature, but to *expel* someone for not complying? Seems extreme to me. "Yes, we want you to be safe, but if you don't want to be safe, we're gonna f*ck with your future."

I see your point, but disagree with your overall premise. The school has implemented the feature to help ensure the student's safety, which the school is legally responsible for. When the kid refuses, the school believes it can no longer adequately care for the student's safety, and thus risks the safety of other students and expels the student.


Oh BS. The school started the program to indoctrinate the kids into being part of a surveillance state. There is no justification whatsoever for them wanting to track where a kid is. Honestly, how many high school kids go missing on school grounds and what kind of retarded kid or kidnapper wouldn't just remove the badge if they were leaving the school grounds? It's the government attempting to get kids used to it so they don't question it as adults. Period.

Now as far as this specific case goes, I think she and her family should have called it a day when the school was forced to offer the badge sans RFID chip. Instead it appears they pushed things too far based on the little said in the article about the circumstances.
 
2013-01-19 01:57:22 PM
FTA: "Hernandez had been hoping the school would compromise."

I just woke up, but this confuses me. What compromise could she possibly think they'd find when the positions are "wear the badge" and "don't wear the badge"? Was she hoping they'd let her take a picture of the badge on her cellphone and just carry that around? Or maybe find someone who has the same class schedule as hers and have that person carry her badge for her?

/need caffeine, STAT!
 
2013-01-19 01:57:39 PM
I bet there's nothing else to that story.
 
2013-01-19 01:58:20 PM

Honest Bender: baka-san: That said, it's a public school(did some checking), and the supreme court has ruled time and time again, you are a minor in a public school, you can leave certain rights at the door.

The constitution specifically states that our rights are inalienable...


No, it doesn't.
 
2013-01-19 01:59:08 PM

INeedAName: I see your point, but disagree with your overall premise. The school has implemented the feature to help ensure the student's safety,



Really? Badged and tracked students are "safer"?

Howzat?
 
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