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(NPR)   Hyperbole aside, so many people are going to sue Lance Armstrong and likely win that he could be completely wiped out   (npr.org) divider line 87
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2013-01-19 10:24:54 AM  
I'm torn. I don't know if I should go with imokwiththis.jpg, or wellbye.gif.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-19 10:26:32 AM  
The U.S. Postal Service spent about $30 million sponsoring Lance Armstrong's cycling team

I'm curious how the lawsuit over this will turn out. The contract said no doping. Was his violation simple breach of contract or fraud against the government?

Over the years, many people publicly accused Armstrong of doping. He sued and threatened many of those people and, in one case, in one case, he actually won damages from a newspaper for printing what he now admits is the truth. Now that paper has said they want their money back.

As I recall it was a British paper. In America the paper might be out of luck because most jurisdictions have a one year time limit to get a new trial based on newly discovered evidence.
 
2013-01-19 10:39:35 AM  
Fraud and statutes affect anything past 2009. otherwise- its gone.
/This man makes me feel dirty for walking upright. Thanks for nothing, ass, errrrrr -Lance.
 
2013-01-19 10:47:38 AM  
Good.
 
2013-01-19 10:54:31 AM  
Well nuts.
 
2013-01-19 11:01:22 AM  
Why did he confess to begin with? Seems like an idiot to me, especially if I knew I'd have lawsuits against me.
 
2013-01-19 11:01:26 AM  

Mentat: Well nuts.


FTFY
 
2013-01-19 11:05:22 AM  
The lawyers are going to have a ball with this.
 
2013-01-19 11:05:47 AM  
So... Lance could get boiled?
 
2013-01-19 11:12:13 AM  
Nike, Anheuser Busch, Trek, the US Postal Service and Radio Shak will be the big losers. They will have to pay fines of thousands of dollars  once it's proved  understood they knew what was going on.

Nike Commercial This is my body and I can do whatever I want to it.
 
2013-01-19 11:13:36 AM  
It's called "comeuppance".
 
2013-01-19 11:18:04 AM  
I've always wondered what you can do if someone sues you for libel, you lose...and then later it turns out you were telling the truth after all.
 
2013-01-19 11:33:55 AM  
If you didn't Lance was a fraud years ago you deserved to get your money taken
 
2013-01-19 11:44:10 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: So... Lance could get boiled?


Niiiiice....
 
2013-01-19 11:46:49 AM  
That sucks goat ball.
 
2013-01-19 11:49:26 AM  
Don't see what the problem is, anyway. Wasn't everyone jacked up on 'roids? Armstrong was just the best of the jacked up lot.
 
2013-01-19 11:55:16 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Armstrong was just the best of the jacked up lot.


he sued everyone and won, who claimed that things were not as they should be. Everyone else just went to band camp.
 
2013-01-19 12:04:50 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Don't see what the problem is, anyway. Wasn't everyone jacked up on 'roids? Armstrong was just the best of the jacked up lot.


This is true, but his lawsuits and general character assassination of his accusers/detractors is what makes this wrong. And now, he'll probably never compete in a sporting event ever again and he'll be bankrupted by more lawsuits than anyone could keep track of.
 
2013-01-19 12:05:28 PM  
If you are an over-aggressive prick and use lawsuits offensively, don't be surprised when you end up on the defensive side.
 
2013-01-19 12:09:28 PM  
Didn't they all make money off of him?
That should be taken into account.
 
2013-01-19 12:18:59 PM  

desertgeek: FirstNationalBastard: Don't see what the problem is, anyway. Wasn't everyone jacked up on 'roids? Armstrong was just the best of the jacked up lot.

This is true, but his lawsuits and general character assassination of his accusers/detractors is what makes this wrong. And now, he'll probably never compete in a sporting event ever again and he'll be bankrupted by more lawsuits than anyone could keep track of.


Ah, okay.

So no one really cares that he was the biggest, jacked up fish in an extremely dirty pond, he was just a litigious asshole liar to top it all off.

Got it.
 
2013-01-19 12:32:44 PM  
Karma is awesome.
 
2013-01-19 12:34:35 PM  
So you're saying that being a liar and a complete asshole can have downsides?

*imokwiththis.jpg*
 
2013-01-19 12:42:45 PM  

raerae1980: Why did he confess to begin with? Seems like an idiot to me, especially if I knew I'd have lawsuits against me.


I didn't watch the entire interview (because there's no way I'm watching three hours of Lance OR Oprah, let alone both), but I saw some reports saying he wouldn't admit to anything that was recent enough to not be beyond the statue of limitations. The few clips I did see repeated over and over still had him trying to cover his ass legally by not commenting on certain questions at all.
 
2013-01-19 12:44:42 PM  

raerae1980: Why did he confess to begin with? Seems like an idiot to me, especially if I knew I'd have lawsuits against me.


figure the statute was up on any case against him?

but what about RICO and conspiracy extending the cases.
regardless, I predict that there will be so many lawsuits against him that his lawyers will move to have them combined into a class action suit.

ROLL the commercials please:
have you or anyone you know bought a livestrong band? you might be entitled to money. call us at ...
 
2013-01-19 12:45:31 PM  

NeoCortex42: raerae1980: Why did he confess to begin with? Seems like an idiot to me, especially if I knew I'd have lawsuits against me.

I didn't watch the entire interview (because there's no way I'm watching three hours of Lance OR Oprah, let alone both), but I saw some reports saying he wouldn't admit to anything that was recent enough to not be beyond the statue of limitations. The few clips I did see repeated over and over still had him trying to cover his ass legally by not commenting on certain questions at all.


LOL
which STILL leads to WHY now?
why not take you millions and go live somewhere safe with your gold??
 
2013-01-19 12:47:23 PM  

NeoCortex42: but I saw some reports saying he wouldn't admit to anything that was recent enough to not be beyond the statue of limitations


Wouldn't new evidence being introduced (the fact that he admitted to it) extend the statute?

/IANAL
 
2013-01-19 12:51:43 PM  

raerae1980: Why did he confess to begin with? Seems like an idiot to me, especially if I knew I'd have lawsuits against me.



Did he get paid a gigantic amount of money to go on Oprah + publicity + future book deals?

Or is he just some type of demented attention whore. 3 hours that could be summed up in 3 words: "I did it."
 
2013-01-19 12:52:32 PM  
The dude tried to bankrupt Greg LeMond for suggesting he was either the greatest comeback story in sports history or the greatest fraud.

I hope his nut gets crushed.
 
2013-01-19 12:59:28 PM  

Dull Cow Eyes: raerae1980: Why did he confess to begin with? Seems like an idiot to me, especially if I knew I'd have lawsuits against me.


Did he get paid a gigantic amount of money to go on Oprah + publicity + future book deals?

Or is he just some type of demented attention whore. 3 hours that could be summed up in 3 words: "I did it."


I read in a bike mag he's already working on another book.
 
2013-01-19 01:00:50 PM  

SDRR: Karma is awesome.


Except there's no such thing as "karma", only cause and effect.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-19 01:03:44 PM  
scottydoesntknow

The legal term you are looking for is "discovery rule." In most cases if you couldn't have known about a cause of action your delay in suing is excusable. So when should plaintiffs have known he was doping? When rumors started? When he admitted it? When the bicycling body said he was doping? I sense many billable hours to come.
 
2013-01-19 01:09:58 PM  
I'm pretty sure that the only serious threat is the US Post Office since it is potentially government contracting fraud. Nike et. al. would have to prove damages. Simply violating a contract doesn't mean shiat, if there are no damages.
 
2013-01-19 01:10:04 PM  

KiwDaWabbit: SDRR: Karma is awesome.

Except there's no such thing as "karma", only cause and effect.


therealmcast.com
 
2013-01-19 01:10:33 PM  

jake_lex: I've always wondered what you can do if someone sues you for libel, you lose...and then later it turns out you were telling the truth after all.


The answer, in most courts, is that you're screwed under by the doctrine of collateral estoppel, a.k.a. "issue preclusion." But there may be exceptions if, for example, it turns out the other party maliciously withheld evidence or some-such.
 
2013-01-19 01:17:53 PM  
I wouldn't be surprised if he already made himself judgment proof and just declares bankruptcy if he loses a lawsuit. He had plenty of time to think about coming clean and prepare for all outcomes.
 
2013-01-19 01:20:59 PM  

namatad: NeoCortex42: raerae1980: Why did he confess to begin with? Seems like an idiot to me, especially if I knew I'd have lawsuits against me.

I didn't watch the entire interview (because there's no way I'm watching three hours of Lance OR Oprah, let alone both), but I saw some reports saying he wouldn't admit to anything that was recent enough to not be beyond the statue of limitations. The few clips I did see repeated over and over still had him trying to cover his ass legally by not commenting on certain questions at all.

LOL
which STILL leads to WHY now?
why not take you millions and go live somewhere safe with your gold??


He's hoping he gets his ban lifted so he can go back to competing in triathlons.

It's the same reason Pete Rose eventually admitted to things. He was hoping to get his lifetime ban lifted.
 
2013-01-19 01:26:01 PM  

Carth: I wouldn't be surprised if he already made himself judgment proof and just declares bankruptcy if he loses a lawsuit. He had plenty of time to think about coming clean and prepare for all outcomes.


Bankruptcy is a legal proceeding. You can't just say the word. He can declare bankruptcy of course - he just has to have all his money taken away first. Not that that will happen. I do think he'll lose lots and lots of money. But he'll make lots more on a book. Because we're suckers.
 
2013-01-19 01:27:55 PM  
Aside from the unique severity of their own offenses, O.J. Simpson and Jerry Sandusky now have, in my opinion, a new equal in the American sports Hall of Shame.

Obviously, their harms to people were much greater, but in terms of "formerly respectable, now just detestable," Armstrong can still join them.

Now, on this comparison I am ignorant: Pete Rose vs. Lance Armstrong. Which was "worse"?
 
2013-01-19 01:41:16 PM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler:
Now, on this comparison I am ignorant: Pete Rose vs. Lance Armstrong. Which was "worse"?


Lance is easily worse. They're both douchebags, but at least Pete Rose's athletic achievements were legitimate.
 
2013-01-19 01:45:39 PM  
Babe ruth's PEDs were hot dogs and bourbon.
 
rka
2013-01-19 01:46:46 PM  

NeoCortex42: Huck And Molly Ziegler:
Now, on this comparison I am ignorant: Pete Rose vs. Lance Armstrong. Which was "worse"?

Lance is easily worse. They're both douchebags, but at least Pete Rose's athletic achievements were legitimate.


If that's the reason that Lance was worse than the entire sport of cycling is worse.
 
2013-01-19 01:49:02 PM  
In my jurisdiction the statute of limitations on perjury is 6 years. I wonder if he was ever deposed or testified in his civil cases. He could be looking at some actual jail/prison time.
 
2013-01-19 01:52:48 PM  

Carth: I wouldn't be surprised if he already made himself judgment proof and just declares bankruptcy if he loses a lawsuit. He had plenty of time to think about coming clean and prepare for all outcomes.


THIS
 
2013-01-19 01:54:36 PM  

SDRR: KiwDaWabbit: SDRR: Karma is awesome.

Except there's no such thing as "karma", only cause and effect.

[therealmcast.com image 300x300]


opinions dont change reality
santa doesnt exist
nor does the easter bunny, great pumpkin, nor god

karma? fancy word for cause and effect at best
otherwise how do you explain rush, bek, santorum and bush and cheney still alive and breathing?
proper karma would have burned them and their families to ashes years ago
 
2013-01-19 01:57:10 PM  

BiffDangler: I'm pretty sure that the only serious threat is the US Post Office since it is potentially government contracting fraud. Nike et. al. would have to prove damages. Simply violating a contract doesn't mean shiat, if there are no damages.


Try reading TFA.

SCA Promotions paid Armstrong millions in bonuses for winning the Tour de France. At one point they witheld some of the bonuses because they believed Armstrong doped; Armstrong sued, claiming he didn't, and got the money. Now that he's admitted to lying under oath during an arbitration on the suit, you better believe that SCA is going to try and recover the full $12 million they paid him.

Next, everyone he's sued and maligned over allegations that he's doped are going to come after him, especially the newspaper he won damages from.
 
2013-01-19 02:01:21 PM  

raerae1980: Why did he confess to begin with? Seems like an idiot to me, especially if I knew I'd have lawsuits against me.


Some of the lawsuits against him were already in the works, such as SCA.

He probably figured that it was only a matter of time until the truth came out, so it was better to try and get ahead of it and take control of the messaging.

I also have no doubt that he'll try to profit from the confession by writing a book, going on the lecture circuit, etc. He's probably hoping that after spending the next few years apologizing he can get a job in broadcasting. His angle will be asking the tough questions about doping/cheating, because who else knows better?
 
2013-01-19 02:03:58 PM  

Anderson's Pooper: In my jurisdiction the statute of limitations on perjury is 6 years. I wonder if he was ever deposed or testified in his civil cases. He could be looking at some actual jail/prison time.


He lied under oath in 2005 with his lawsuit against SCA, but that's probably enough time that he's outside of the statute of limitations.
 
2013-01-19 02:09:28 PM  

thornhill: raerae1980: Why did he confess to begin with? Seems like an idiot to me, especially if I knew I'd have lawsuits against me.

Some of the lawsuits against him were already in the works, such as SCA.

He probably figured that it was only a matter of time until the truth came out, so it was better to try and get ahead of it and take control of the messaging.

I also have no doubt that he'll try to profit from the confession by writing a book, going on the lecture circuit, etc. He's probably hoping that after spending the next few years apologizing he can get a job in broadcasting. His angle will be asking the tough questions about doping/cheating, because who else knows better?


property and businesses in the wife's name or protected by corporations
moved most of the money offshore to tax havens if he was smart to start with
meh
time to move to a nice friendly island never look back
 
2013-01-19 02:10:20 PM  

rka: NeoCortex42: Huck And Molly Ziegler:
Now, on this comparison I am ignorant: Pete Rose vs. Lance Armstrong. Which was "worse"?

Lance is easily worse. They're both douchebags, but at least Pete Rose's athletic achievements were legitimate.

If that's the reason that Lance was worse than the entire sport of cycling is worse.


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