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2013-01-19 02:06:15 PM

A. Snatchfold: OhioUGrad: EkimProx: Instead of threatening to kill the president, why not BE the president?

Why work when you can just get things handed to you.......he must be a liberal.

These are the talking points RWNJs parrot when they don't have the critical thinking skills necessary to form a coherent argument.. If I had a nickel for every time 'X must be an Obama voter' or 'liberals don't work and want free stuff' in comment sections, I'd be a... nickelaire.


I find it amusing that any time someone mentions the "47%" the right-wing assumes that the entire 47% is made up of liberals

enochianwolf: OhioUGrad: EkimProx: Instead of threatening to kill the president, why not BE the president?

Why work when you can just get things handed to you.......he must be a liberal.

He was in a wheelchair and in need of chemotherapy... but yeah, McDonalds is always hiring


I was actually referring to the working to be president line.......but there are places that hire people in wheelchairs
 
2013-01-19 02:08:39 PM

buttcat: So this guy gets thrown in jail for threatening to kill the president, yet Kansas Dumbass Mike O'Neal calls for Obama's death via "prayer", and nothing happens to him.

http://www.examiner.com/article/kansas-speaker-o-neal-asks-house-gop- t o-pray-for-obama-s-death


You new around here? We all know prayer doesn't work ya big silly. Besides, their are more Muslims praying for Obama so that cancels out Christian death prayers or something
 
2013-01-19 02:09:06 PM
computerguyUT:
8Fingers:


Ah, the 2013 troll alts have arrived. Please do something entertaining soon or you're going to be on a bunch of ignore lists.
 
2013-01-19 02:12:27 PM
NO. No. No. that's all wrong. You're supposed to rob a bank. It's win-win. If you get away you have the money and if you don't, you got what you wanted.
 
2013-01-19 02:17:24 PM
"I would have no intent to hurt the president," Espalin said. "I realize it wasn't the right thing to do. I uttered those words knowing the [federal agents] would come and arrest me, putting me in federal prison, where i get 3 hots and a cot, and free medical care...win. and take care of me."

/ftfh
 
2013-01-19 02:23:14 PM

Rich Cream: NO. No. No. that's all wrong. You're supposed to rob a bank. It's win-win. If you get away you have the money and if you don't, you got what you wanted.


If I learned anything from GTA:SA, it's that you should approach the bank manager dressed in a gimp suit, start dating, then promptly kill him/her with a long purple dildo and steal the gigantic rotating key-card from the sex dungeon.

Like a Boss (PNSFW videogame still)
 
2013-01-19 02:28:23 PM

genner: UsikFark: kapaso: How else would this guy get to see a doctor? I don't blame him. I've got the flu and no hc coverage right now, so if my fever goes any higher it's good to know I've got options.

Go to the ER, they have to treat you and not let you get sicker!

/This is what some conservatives actually believe... and do.
My guess is call ahead to a local clinic and explain the situation (about the fever.) Anyone got better ideas?

They do have treat you but they can also have a credit agency hound you for the rest of your life. Of course if your really broke that would hardly be an issue.


That's why I asked if people had better ideas. There are medical professionals on FARK, and maybe they have advice on affordable, appropriate treatment locations for possibly dangerous flu symptoms that haven't hit the "collapse alone at home" stage. Even I'm curious, because I know they don't want flu victims incubating in the ER (or any waiting room.)
 
2013-01-19 02:40:03 PM
kapaso:

How else would this guy get to see a doctor? I don't blame him. I've got the flu and no hc coverage right now, so if my fever goes any higher it's good to know I've got options.

I wish somebody had told me that publicly-funded hospitals (like San Francisco County General) are not allowed to refuse you treatment before I had to survive untreated meningitis.

Look for a county hospital or state university hospital. Or try the county health department. Like I told my niece when she had septicemia, next time just go and worry about the bill later.

If you ever have nausea and/or stomach pain, a fever with a headache and a stiff neck that doesn't want to let your head turn then go right away. That might not be just the flu.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/meningitis/DS00118/DSECTION=symptoms


What you go to prison for is long-term problems, like cancer.  If I had to do five years just to get antibitocs for two weeks I'd rather just jump.
 
2013-01-19 02:41:53 PM
8Fingers:


And if I had a nickel every time some LibbyDem Farker used the same old 'You don't think like I do, so you are a stupid poopy head' argument I would be GD farkin rich!


Is there any sense in being a POOR stupid poopy head?
 
2013-01-19 02:44:19 PM

dickfreckle: Crazy or not, this illustrates the beacon of hope known as American health care. Maybe this guy is a nutcase, but he's not alone. Plenty of rational people are driven to the the edge in attempts to receive even a modicum of care in this exceptional USA. You can rob a bank, be convicted, and still have better care than most working folks.


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2013-01-19 02:48:07 PM
Stimpy's Lost Fart:

Seems pretty simple to me, stop giving all but emergency medical care to individuals in prison.

Great idea. If the AIDS don't get 'em then the TB will.

Why not just make every infraction more serious than letting the parking meter run out punishable by death?

"Mr. Lostfart, this is the SECOND time you 'forgot' to go back and feed the meter. The first was in 1987. You can't say you didn't know. Better luck in your next incarnation."
 
2013-01-19 02:51:25 PM
buttcat:

So this guy gets thrown in jail for threatening to kill the president, yet Kansas Dumbass Mike O'Neal calls for Obama's death via "prayer", and nothing happens to him.


That's because everybody knows there is no God so there's no risk.

Just like everybody knows every homeless guy in a wheelchair has access to heat-seeking bombs to mail the President.
 
2013-01-19 02:51:56 PM

TreeHugger: Best part:

He previously served 18 months in federal prison for threatening to kill former President George W. Bush in 2001

Hilarious! After sitting there for a year and a half, thinking about why he was locked up, he gets out and does the same thing again? Well it was 11 years later, maybe that's long enough to revise one's memory.


he threatened Bush got sent to prison and got free chemo. 11 years later he is having chest pains so he threatens Obama and goes back to prison and will get free heart surgery. I'd say he definitely learned his lesson.
 
2013-01-19 02:58:21 PM
There exists an entire socioeconomic class whose economic output - of which wage is a reasonable first measure - is less than the cost of providing them health care. Insurance as a system makes no sense for them - it is inevitably beyond their means. We the American people need to decide our priorities, since health care for this class could only be provided by taking from the higher classes.

/my two cents
//probably misinformed
 
2013-01-19 03:28:27 PM
"I only threatened to kill the president because I needed quality medical care"

But the people who threaten to kill the president because they're racist white trash conservatives don't go to jail, do they?
 
2013-01-19 03:35:35 PM
For those saying maybe we should stop providing healthcare to criminals, they get it because it is Constitutionally required. That whole "cruel and unusual punishment" thing. Something to think about regarding healthcare for those of us not incarcerated, huh?
 
2013-01-19 03:47:37 PM
we got two articles on fark today about guys going to jail to get healthcare. we should be ashamed we dont take better care of the sick, that this seems like a viable idea. not the first time ive heard of it either.
 
2013-01-19 04:01:41 PM
There was a story about a guy on deathrow in the midwest who needed his knee to be replaced. The prison refused, but the court ruled that it was cruel and unusual punishment to force this man - who was going to be executed soon - to bear knee pain that could be prevented by giving him a replacement knee.

So it's cruel and unusual punishment when the guy is on death row. But if he was a bum on the street, hey, screw him he's gonna have to limp his whole life and be in terrible pain.
 
2013-01-19 04:12:39 PM

The One True TheDavid: Stimpy's Lost Fart:

Seems pretty simple to me, stop giving all but emergency medical care to individuals in prison.

Great idea. If the AIDS don't get 'em then the TB will.

Why not just make every infraction more serious than letting the parking meter run out punishable by death?

"Mr. Lostfart, this is the SECOND time you 'forgot' to go back and feed the meter. The first was in 1987. You can't say you didn't know. Better luck in your next incarnation."


Larry Niven sees what you did there.
 
2013-01-19 04:19:41 PM
Am I really the first with this?


weknowmemes.com
 
2013-01-19 06:06:18 PM
Committing a felony that doesn't get my ass short off is is pretty high on my lists of potential retirement plans that don't involve dumpsters or suicide. 35 with a net worth in the negatives, I don't need Charles Schwab to tell me things ain't looking too good.
 
2013-01-19 07:05:56 PM
That guy can smell around corners.
 
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2013-01-19 07:36:24 PM

kapaso: How else would this guy get to see a doctor? I don't blame him. I've got the flu and no hc coverage right now, so if my fever goes any higher it's good to know I've got options.


Unemployed and low income, adult residents of NY with limited financial assets qualify for 100% subsidized, 'free' healthcare coverage including dental, addiction and mental health, vision and rx coverage.
 
2013-01-19 09:57:01 PM

The One True TheDavid: Stimpy's Lost Fart:

Seems pretty simple to me, stop giving all but emergency medical care to individuals in prison.

Great idea. If the AIDS don't get 'em then the TB will.

Why not just make every infraction more serious than letting the parking meter run out punishable by death?

"Mr. Lostfart, this is the SECOND time you 'forgot' to go back and feed the meter. The first was in 1987. You can't say you didn't know. Better luck in your next incarnation."


The idea of prison is punishment, as in it's a bad place to be and therefore a deterrent to crime. These are not pets in pound or kids in an orphanage; these are mother farking rapists, murders, spouse beaters, child molesters, thieves, drug dealers, kiddie porn enthusiasts, people making threats, and so on. If some idiot didn't pay a parking fine, how long would they be in prison exactly?

When you go to jail, you don't deserve special treatment and state of the art medical care; you get enough food to survive, a place to sleep and crap, a shower occasionally, all the books you can't read, and maybe some crayons to color on the toilet paper. The rest of your time you can spend doing pushups, and thinking about how screwed up it is to be in prison and why you'd rather not be there. If you get a shiv stuck in ya, the doctors will gladly stitch you up and give you a course of antibiotics. If you need special medication for mental issues, you should be in a state or fed asylum not prison.

This isn't a complicated topic, millions of people manage to stay out of prison every day, but not for long if it is seen as a free medical clinic. The problem, as I was talking about, and is obvious, is that our medical system is so mucked up, it's better commit a crime to go to prison than pay for medical care.
 
2013-01-19 09:59:42 PM
I predicted this, on Fark, years ago.

Anyone who is surprised hasn't been paying attention.
 
2013-01-19 10:02:07 PM

OhioKnight: Stimpy's Lost Fart: Seems pretty simple to me

Yep. I suspect lots of things seem pretty simple to you.

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Yes they do, because things really are black and white, everything gray is a festering wound of malfeasance and puss that serves only it's putrid self. That kid holding the sign could end up being your son or grandson someday.
 
2013-01-19 10:12:27 PM

Flragnararch: Stimpy's Lost Fart: Seems pretty simple to me, stop giving all but emergency medical care to individuals in prison.

At the same time everyone outside of prison should be on a single payer program once you are an adult, and you pay for your kids to be on the same program until they are adults.

I'd like to see a simplified tax code reduce taxes and help us pay for this, just throw the existing code all away and do:

All sources of income included, no deductions.
Make less than 1 dollar in earning, no tax.
Income tax collected federally, no state or city income taxes allowed.
Property tax collected at the state level, no federal property tax allowed.
Federal budget limited to 25% or less of the tax collected.
Funds distributed to states per legal citizen population.
All businesses must report worker salaries/wages/contractor fees, etc. - any money paid for work performed.

1 to 50K = 1.5% tax (average income and below)
51k to 150k = 3% tax (above average income to 3X average income)
151K to 500k = 6% tax (above 3x average income to 10x average income)
501K to 5M = 12% tax (above 10x average income to 100x average income)
5.1M and above = 24% tax (above 100x average income)

This tax and a flat rate payment per adult, by adult for kids for medical care in the single payer system.

Due to the simplification of the tax code, the IRS would become unnecessary. However, we should transform the IRS to become the Internal Waste and Fraud Investigation Service, its scopes set on all Federal Government programs, including the single payer medical program, social security, defense, etc., where the IWFIS people are paid minimum wage plus commission based on waste found.

As for the leaches in Medical Insurance, Tax Preparation, Tax Law, etc, they can go do something else.

Infringe on powers of the state much?


Yes, the states are part of a Union that is bigger than they are, the states lost their equal power status once they lost their bid for separation in the Civil War. The North's biggest fault in the aftermath of that war was not exiling every volunteer, every sargeant and higher rank of the CSS armies to Britain, sent their via the British supply ships attempting to make port in the south to support the CSS. Instead, they were left to breed and spread westward, carrying their beloved seed of hate for the Union with them, until now they make up half of the voting public, most of the NRA, most of the GOP, most of the "Red States" population, and of course all of the Tea Party.
 
2013-01-19 10:29:24 PM
Would they give me dentures?
 
2013-01-19 10:38:37 PM
Desperately stupid
 
2013-01-20 12:48:59 AM
Dumb shiat. Throw a brick through a bank/post office window. Federal crime, free care. If it doesn't last long enough, do it a second (and third - three strikes) time.

/This is what I would do if wasn't eligible for VA care.
 
2013-01-20 08:00:27 PM

Stimpy's Lost Fart: The One True TheDavid: Stimpy's Lost Fart:

Seems pretty simple to me, stop giving all but emergency medical care to individuals in prison.

Great idea. If the AIDS don't get 'em then the TB will.

Why not just make every infraction more serious than letting the parking meter run out punishable by death?

"Mr. Lostfart, this is the SECOND time you 'forgot' to go back and feed the meter. The first was in 1987. You can't say you didn't know. Better luck in your next incarnation."

The idea of prison is punishment, as in it's a bad place to be and therefore a deterrent to crime. These are not pets in pound or kids in an orphanage; these are mother farking rapists, murders, spouse beaters, child molesters, thieves, drug dealers, kiddie porn enthusiasts, people making threats, and so on. If some idiot didn't pay a parking fine, how long would they be in prison exactly?


You missed my point, which ain't surprising since I didn't make it very well.

Take for example a guy who just turned 18 and his girlfriend who will be 15 for another month: if they're caught having sex and if an example must be made for one month till her 16th birthday he'll be committing statutory rape. Not only that but he'll be a sex offender, in fact a child rapist -- a PEDOPHILE in common parlance.

When I try to point out the absurdity of such situations, asking questions like "What miraculous event will happen in 30 days that will suddenly render her able to consent?", many interlocutors fall back on "IT'S THE LAW." That fact, that some state legislature has enacted a statute, ends forever the necessity to think about justice, about proportion, about the meaning of terms (such as "pedophile"): you don't need to know why something is illegal, you don't even deserve to ask the question, you need only follow the law as it is written and take the consequences, however silly or unjust they may seem to some mysterious extraterrestrial who is allowed to question The LAW.

So why not take it further? Since The LAW is sacred, we should make its application so simple and clear that no thought is necessary to apply it, by giving every violation of The LAW the same penalty: death. Serial murder, check kiting, kiddie diddling and jaywalking will be equivalent in the eyes of The LAW and every lawbreaker will be equally culpable. Only one thing need be established: that the person committed the crime. Ignorance will be no excuse there too, as all one need do to find out if an act is permitted is to ask a Legal Expert -- and as people will quickly get the idea that there are so many laws that it's safer to do only those things that a legitimate authority has commanded or that everyone always sees everyone else doing without getting punished for.

Once people get used to that idea it will be nothing to make Following The Law a positive thing by prescribing those deeds that are required and making everything else illegal: you'll be issued a set of Things To Do and the time & place in which to do them so you can follow your schedule with certainty and security. At 6:30 every morning every adult male in your sector will wake up and start the day, a day in which every action has been mapped out. Anyone who can't manage to brush his teeth at 7:15 is simply not fit to live in our society, unless he has a damn good excuse properly filed and stamped. (E.g., "It has been duly noted that R Brown #228654 has no teeth to brush, therefore he is required to stand quietly in front of his sink for the 2.5 minutes allotted for tooth-brushing.")

A side-effect will be that we'll have no more need to house and maintain lawbreakers: all we'll need to do is dispose of their meat. Think of how easy and simple life would be!
 
2013-01-20 09:12:11 PM
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Stephen, you got some Espalin to do!
 
2013-01-21 03:06:33 PM
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The idea of prison is punishment, as in it's a bad place to be and therefore a deterrent to crime. These are not pets in pound or kids in an orphanage; these are mother farking rapists, murders, spouse beaters, child molesters, thieves, drug dealers, kiddie porn enthusiasts, people making threats, and so on. If some idiot didn't pay a parking fine, how long would they be in prison exactly?

You missed my point, which ain't surprising since I didn't make it very well.

Take for example a guy who just turned 18 and his girlfriend who will be 15 for another month: if they're caught having sex and if an example must be made for one month till her 16th birthday he'll be committing statutory rape. Not only that but he'll be a sex offender, in fact a child rapist -- a PEDOPHILE in common parlance.

When I try to point out the absurdity of such situations, asking questions like "What miraculous event will happen in 30 days that will suddenly render her able to consent?", many interlocutors fall back on "IT'S THE LAW." That fact, that some state legislature has enacted a statute, ends forever the necessity to think about justice, about proportion, about the meaning of terms (such as "pedophile"): you don't need to know why something is illegal, you don't even deserve to ask the question, you need only follow the law as it is written and take the consequences, however silly or unjust they may seem to some mysterious extraterrestrial who is allowed to question The LAW.

So why not t ...

Yes, there are stupid laws, and there are unfortunately people convicted of crimes when they are innocent. There are also many people who commit crimes and are not punished. I'm not talking to the laws and their inconsistencies, just the punishment of prison should be punishment not holiday camp. I think that when prisons are as spartan as possible they are a better detriment to crime and not places of hope. I don't think its the responsibility of those outside of prison to pay for inmates medical care unless its emergency medical care (ER). Even in a universal care system, I'm not sure that inmates should be afforded the luxury of participating in it, they may have to foot the bill themselves fully versus benefiting from the large group discounts. Why, again, to be a detriment to commiting crimes.
 
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