Tatterdemalian: A female acquaintance of mine wanted me to take her out to a local gay bar. When I asked why, she said, "So you can see what it's like being flirted with by people you don't want to have sex with."I replied, "How about I *not* go to the gay bar, so I don't give any of the guys the impression that I'm looking for a one night stand."/she never spoke to me again//and died at the hands of her abusive boyfriend a year ago
someonelse: THE GREAT NAME: FEMALE LIFE PLAN:0-15 force men to give you attention by getting in their faces15-30 complain about too much attention from men30-100 force men to give you attention by getting in their faces^^^^This, by the way, is what actual misogyny looks like.
THE GREAT NAME: FEMALE LIFE PLAN:0-15 force men to give you attention by getting in their faces15-30 complain about too much attention from men30-100 force men to give you attention by getting in their faces
THE GREAT NAME: Pincy: THE GREAT NAME: Pincy: Comedian Ever Mainard sums up this mindset in her excellent bit about the fact that women are constantly aware that "their rape" could happen at any time. She says, "The problem is that every woman has that one moment when you think, here's my rape!Just asked my wife about this. At just over 40 she's had two of these moments that she can recall. That sucks.So now a woman doesn't even have to be raped to be a victim of rape? Get real. Things happen that scare us sometimes.Did I say she was a victim of rape? NO. I said she thought she was going to be raped. One if definitely worse than the other but it still sucks that women have to constantly be on their guard.As a man, I can honestly say that I have never once thought to myself "I think I'm going to be raped". My guess is the percentage of men who have never had this feeling is much much higher than the percentage of women. To pretend otherwise is ridiculous.Men have to be constantly on guard about the thread of a false rape accusation. A successful false rape accusation is just as bad as a rape and so the fear is just as legitimate.
bunner: Ever notice that the worst thing you can call a man is a woman, and the worst thing you can cal a woman is "just like your mother"?
WhippingBoy: quickdraw: WhippingBoy: I'm defending "men" in general.Why?Why? I dunno... because there just might be some men out there who are decent human beings?
TiiiMMMaHHH: someonelse: TiiiMMMaHHH: someonelse: letrole: Sexual harrassment is the wrong man noticing your tits.You can't troll a thread where the most blatantly ignorant opinions are already being expressed in earnest, dude. You can't make a sh*thouse smell worse.I'm in a commited relationship with a woman 8 years older than me. He's not trolling, it's true. She's old enough that she fears not being attractive on a regular basis. She's real enough that she'll flat out admit that she doesn't want gross dudes oggling her. If an attractive man checks her out or compliments her, it makes her feel great because it means (on a genetic level at least) that she's viable. Basic programming at it's finest.His/her name is The Troll, and he is always and forever trolling. You know this, or ought to.Nothing in your second paragraph is particularly relevant. Your girlfriend likes being complimented, therefore what? What basic logic are you using?That an HONEST woman will tell you: When ugly guys hit on me, I wince. When cute guys hit on me, I think for a second "I'd hit it. He has good genes". WOMEN LIE ABOUT THIS FACTOR ALL THE TIME.Difference usually being; a mature woman values her partner more than her orgasms.
WhippingBoy: Do you think that this doesn't happen to men? When I was younger, I had my ass groped (without my consent) a number of times.
letrole: Sexual harrassment is the wrong man noticing your tits.
Honest Bender: Don't worry. Some day you'll hit that right age where you become invisible to men. Then it's fun to watch women freak out that they can't get attention anymore.
omeganuepsilon: I've brought this up in other threads, but as the populace of fark gets more infested with people of average or lower IQ's it's more and more relevant. Can you truely get people of low IQ and gross ignorance that also happen to be true believers, can you get them to actually acknowledge fact?I'm of the opinion, that no, it cannot be done. Look at Tirob's mess of law interpretation above. A general insistence that it is a catch-all, despite many supreme court cases saying otherwise.All other examples being too biased on your part, you can always look to SkinnnyHead and SteveB and IDW as prime examples of what it is that you're doing wrong here as well.Some of you really are just not capable of handling rational thought, so in lieu of real discussion, we're left to entertain ourselves however we see fit.
omeganuepsilon: cosmiquemuffin: You guys do this to complete stranger dudes on the street?Boys are dumber than I thought.Some guys do that. Not all. Talk about stereotyping..
ExperianScaresCthulhu: cosmiquemuffin: DerAppie: Meh, try and live as a man for some time. You'll find out that a lot of men make similar comments and crude jokes to each other.Sooooo... Men catcall to each other on the street about their asses and sucking their dicks?Men catcall to each other talking shiat about each other. Catcalls are steam release. They're annoying as fk. But that's not rape. Like Bunner said, above, it's about the reaction. Witty people get props. People who try to be witty but fail get laughed at as well as continued annoying attention. People who ignore are forgotten within seconds, for the next target. People who make a show of being offended get laughed at and continued annoying attention.People who show fear get it worse.It's annoying, it sucks, it's a drain -- but it's not rape.
Dansker: She looks kinda average and ordinary to me.
WhippingBoy: The Short Bald Guy from Benny Hill: We get it, women are making shiat up, this stuff almost never happens.Kind of sucks when people trivialize what, to you, are real problems, doesn't it?
dopekitty74: As a woman with woman friends, I can confidently say that not one of us lives in fear every day of being raped. And the funny thing is, the girls I hang out with, like me, have lots of male friends, who joke around and say sexual things and we don't get all offended about it. If we're in public and some douche yells out "Hey baby, why don't you suck my dick?" we either ignore them or laugh derisively and make comments about what a prick he is. We don't get all victimy like half the women in this thread seem to think is the thing to do.
Millennium: There are ways to fight someone stronger than you; make no mistake about that. But if you don't have the training, it's best not to try fighting: get the drop on him, disable him quickly in the ways everyone knows, and then get the fark out. That's much more likely to get you out alive than trying to make a stand when you can't win.
tirob: One obscene gesture can suffice.
Pincy: I agree that women should probably just ignore them. I think that other men should be the one's to tell them to shut the hell up.
clowncar on fire: 4seasons85!: The Short Bald Guy from Benny Hill: 4seasons85!: I'm a woman and I've never been harrassed./Not sure if that's a good thing.//I'll go cry by myself now...As a man I've never been sexually harassed and I consider that a good thing. Is it different for women?I'm not sure. I was implying that I may not be pretty enough to be harassed. I was joking. But since it wasn't that funny Im not mad you didn't pick up on it. I promise to do better next time./but I can make sandwiches, does that count?We'll need pics to verify your lack of "prettiness". For all we know- you could be a hot red head oozing of sexuality and trying to play the "not pretty pity point" card.
4seasons85!: The Short Bald Guy from Benny Hill: 4seasons85!: I'm a woman and I've never been harrassed./Not sure if that's a good thing.//I'll go cry by myself now...As a man I've never been sexually harassed and I consider that a good thing. Is it different for women?I'm not sure. I was implying that I may not be pretty enough to be harassed. I was joking. But since it wasn't that funny Im not mad you didn't pick up on it. I promise to do better next time./but I can make sandwiches, does that count?
One Bad Apple: 4seasons85!: I'm a woman and I've never been harrassed./Not sure if that's a good thing.How YOU doin'There, welcome to the club.
onyxruby: gilgigamesh: t may be regional. I live in the South. There's a certain gentility factor: women who work in my office have the door held open for them, men wait for them to exit the elevator before exiting themselves, that sort of thingWhen I was about 22 or so I held the door open for a woman with a large armful of binders (10 inch stack). I walked on and she called out demanding that I stop. I was chewed as she explained that she had 'two perfectly good working arms' and started chewing me out in the hallway in front of everyone as she busily declared I was a sexist pig.I was working for very well known company in their headquarters building, my office happened to be right near human resources. Turned out she worked in human resources and she decided to go full bore feminazi on me.I was formally written up for sexual harassment, I was forced to go to sensitivity training where I was taught that as a white male that I am inherently evil. I was told that if there was ever another incident I would be fired. My career in that corporation was ruined, all for a woman that I never talked to, touched, or even gawked at. Literally all I did, all I was accused of doing, was holding the door open for her.For years after that I refused to hold the door open for anyone woman at work, letting it shut behind me without care. Now I know better, but when your young your easy prey for someone like that.
stiletto_the_wise: WordyGrrl: It doesn't have to be a genuine threat. It just needs to be perceived by the victim as a threat.Huh? So a threat is a threat. And if it's not a threat, but someone thinks it's a threat--it's a threat?I'm sure someone, somewhere, thinks my green baseball cap is threatening. This apparently makes me a threatening threat.
THE GREAT NAME: I would advise any atheist to stay away from churches and mosques. But if that atheist rejects my advice, he's still entitled to sit there and have a drink without being preeched to in a pious manner.
lordjupiter: Why is it OK for you to extrapolate from specific experiences of individuals to general statements about groups, but it's not OK for men to do it?
Pincy: THE GREAT NAME: TheFark5000: Wow. The amount of sexism and "what about the few men this happens to!" in the first page alone already makes me want to vomit. The world is such a mean place to all you fragile, sad, pathetic men of Fark.If somebody raped you, I would not shed a tear.You don't say? That sentiment goes against everything else you've posted in this thread. I don't know how I read you so wrong.
The My Little Pony Killer: THE GREAT NAME: A successful false rape accusation is just as bad as a rape and so the fear is just as legitimate.Hahahaha no. Try again, with a little less butthurt this time.
Lernaeus: Settle in, men; misandry is here to stay for a while.For at least the next several generations there will be some women who want to make up for thousands of years of real (but mostly imagined) male oppression. Most will just be pissed off temporarily, and probably justifiably so, but a few will be sincere, maniacal (sorry, 'womaniacal') outrage queens with political influence.
THE GREAT NAME: A successful false rape accusation is just as bad as a rape and so the fear is just as legitimate.
THE GREAT NAME: TheFark5000: Wow. The amount of sexism and "what about the few men this happens to!" in the first page alone already makes me want to vomit. The world is such a mean place to all you fragile, sad, pathetic men of Fark.If somebody raped you, I would not shed a tear.
angela_mna: I have been on Fark for almost 6 years now, and although I don't comment on things, I'm on here daily, reading articles and comments.After reading the comments in this article, I'm done with this site.I can't believe I was a (very small) part of this community.I am disgusted, to the point of being physically sickened, by the majority of comments on this article.For those of you who still have the stomach to stay and stand up for what's right against these 'people', thank you, but I just can't anymore.
WhippingBoy: TheFark5000: Wow. The amount of sexism and "what about the few men this happens to!" in the first page alone already makes me want to vomit. The world is such a mean place to all you fragile, sad, pathetic men of Fark.That's right. Men have no issues or problems of their own, and should feel ashamed for suggesting that they do. The life of every man is filled with constant wine (I mean "whine" - amirite??) and roses.
umad: Parmenius: I have never treated women -or anyone else- as depicted in tfa, but I've certainly had to deal with the effects of their foolishness. And, with rare exceptions, if someone is behaving with all the civility of a gutter snipe it is a man doing it. I really dislike having to prove that those jackasses don't represent my gender, and threads like this do not help.Neither have we, you idiot. Maybe, just maybe, that is why we get a tad fed up with constantly being accused of it.
LouDobbsAwaaaay: megarian: noitsnot: megarian: This is stupid. Being a girl is fantastic.You don't seem the least bit real.I'm not. At all. Smoke and mirrors?Like Lindsay Lohan. Except she's more the cocaine on the mirrors than the mirrors themselves.
THE GREAT NAME: It's Me Bender: quickdraw: Alright lets say hes terrified to tell me if some guy groped his ass at a trade show or something. Why wouldnt he tell me if he had been harassed before I met him?Interesting how you assume that the harassment would be from a man.quickdraw is a misandrist who thinks only men can do bad things.
The Voice of Doom: quickdrawok - so one chick was rude, the woman in your office should be brought up on harassment charges and yes there are bullies in the world. Life isnt fair. But what does any of that have to do with the writer's concerns? She isnt writing about the difficulties of being a short guy. You can do that on your blog if you want.One rule of essay writing I learned in school: if you've several arguments for your position, put the strongest one or the one that you want to stick with people at the end.Look at the last paragraph of that article, the one mentioning rape culture and Ask your female friends, if you have any, if they've ever..followed by a list of things that you don't even have to ask female friends about, because even as a guy built like an NFL linesman you've done those things or at least had them on your mind.That's the thing that will stick the most with people, be the aftertaste, when they come back here after reading the article.It's pretty obvious to me where those comments coming from if one focuses on the last paragraph - the listed things might be worse for but they're not unique to being a woman.No wonder that ending an article about "seeing things from the other side" with something like that is rubbing some people the other way.
bunner: There's a lot of jerks. Not all of them have testicle.
Lenny_da_Hog: Instead of writing a blog, why doesn't she turn to the rude people and say, "You're rude and never going to meet anyone worthwhile that way."
Bedstead Polisher: Howie Spankowitz: Wow. Been a Farker for a long time. Seldom see such near universal mouth-breathing, male douchebaggery so early and often in a thread. TFA's author was completely reasonable and 90% of the comments from you assclowns is "hurrr get me a sammich durr be glad dudes are even looking at you hurrr she needs to get laid."So glad I don't have a daughter.I read the article expecting to roll my eyes, but found it to be reasonable. The comments in TFA were also reasonable and not too "you go girl!!", then I clicked on these comments and wondered why I come to Fark (Is it always like this? did I miss that?)Glad to see your comment./last time I was "cat-called" was NYE and a guy in his 20s said to me as I walked past "You look very nice tonight." Now that's a compliment!
quickdraw: ExperianScaresCthulhu: quickdraw: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Men are graded on their height. Women can control all of the above. Men can not control their height.So your point is that you are judged on one physical attribute and women are judged on dozens of them - some of which they can control? And your using that to show how mens lives are just the same as womens?Women can control those 'dozens of things'. Men cannot. Bottom line. Women have it easier than men when it comes to using the softer skills to get what they want. Also bottom line.Shorter men are screwed in ways the 'nice guys' look at, shake their heads and sigh saying 'there but for the grace of God..' You're right that no, men's lives and women's lives are not the same. But it's not like men don't face their own kinds of harassments, rejections, and attempts by others to overpower them on the daily. Shorter men are going to experience it more than taller men. And, unlike women, they have no social outlets and no social sympathy for fighting against it. Shrug.I get it yes - it sucks to be a short guy. What does that have to do with never feeling safe when you leave the house just because of your gender? Do people openly mock you for your height as an adult? Do they yell about how youre the perfect height to suck their dick? Because those are the things that happen to short women.
WhippingBoy: Howie Spankowitz: I know...right?! Women...just shut up and let it happen. Men will never learn, so don't even try. WhippingBoy has spoken.You're missing the point. And your painting with a very broad brush.
someonelse: Howie Spankowitz: Wow. Been a Farker for a long time. Seldom see such near universal mouth-breathing, male douchebaggery so early and often in a thread. TFA's author was completely reasonable and 90% of the comments from you assclowns is "hurrr get me a sammich durr be glad dudes are even looking at you hurrr she needs to get laid."So glad I don't have a daughter.It's the main page, it's the weekend, and it's gender-related. That's like a perfect storm of moronic HERP and misogynist DERP.
Lenny_da_Hog: Have you never been in a high school, college campus, church, or bar?
Oblio13: I've made a list of things Angry Feminists like about men:
Bored Horde: For you, it was the simple act of violation of your body.
Smashed Hat: What about all the women who have harassed ME about my enormous dong? What about MY rights??
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