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2013-01-19 02:02:37 PM

Quinsisdos: murderguy: Wow. I don't think I've read the comments to a feminist article on Fark before. Most of you people have serious problems. I hope you are either too young to know better, or so old that you're on the verge of dying of old people diseases. Y'all have very bad attitudes about women, and you should feel bad. I hope my daughter, mother, and female friends never have to spend any time around you, and I hope your female acquaintances haven't suffered too much from your presence. Jesus.

Most of my female friends are now anti-feminists. Most of them have become utterly disgusted with how the mainstream feminist movment conducts itself in this country. Just look at Erin Pizzey; founder of the first domestic violence shelters for women in the 1970s, now an editior on a Men's Rights website.


Find better friends.
 
2013-01-19 02:02:45 PM
TFA: Ask your female friends, if you have any, if they've ever walked home late at night with a key pushed through their knuckles, just in case...

By the way, don't do that. It's actually more dangerous to you than to the other guy. Even if you do it "properly," when you punch someone the key will just disappear back behind your fingers, having done no significant harm to either party. If you do it improperly, the key will be driven back into the soft parts of your hand, which not only hurts you more than your assailant, it also hurts you in ways that make you less able to fight back. Depending on how you use your hands in everyday life, the repercussions of this kind of injury may last a lot longer than the immediate consequences of the fight.

If you don't have a few years of spare time on hand to train with this sort of thing, then the best way to use keys as a weapon is to just hold the whole keyring in your fist, like a roll of quarters, and punch. The weight of the keys will add some force to your punch, the rigid object in your hand will help brace your fingers against the impact, and it's hard to get this wrong in a heated situation.
 
2013-01-19 02:03:45 PM

MadAzza: TheFark5000: Wow. The amount of sexism and "what about the few men this happens to!" in the first page alone already makes me want to vomit. The world is such a mean place to all you fragile, sad, pathetic men of Fark.

So much THIS. I got through half of the first page, skipped ahead, read a few more comments, and the level of hysteria (from the men, obviously) was just astounding. F*ck this, I don't need so much willful ignorance cluttering up my life.


Capitals, profanity. It seems you may be the hysterical one.
 
2013-01-19 02:03:46 PM

bunner: At some point in their lives, between girlhood and womanhood, the ladies have a light bulb go on over their heads and they say "Holy sh*t, I've got the GOODS here! I mean, the GOODS!" And that's a wonderful thing. How they react to and grow into that is largely a matter of how they were raised. Pretty women know they're pretty. Smile at them. Don't be a schmuck.


This.
 
2013-01-19 02:05:30 PM

shastacola: God, the male butthurt comments in this thread are really pathetic. I look forward to the day when your 14 year old daughter get the shiat scared out of her by some 30 year old stranger who thinks it's his right to comment on her ass. Make sure she understands that she shouldn't dress so slutty or be so attractive.Tell her to get used to it,she's got many years of strangers with a bizarre sense of entitlement judging her attire and figure.


You, kind woman, are missing the point and that point is this:

SOME men are jerks, SOME MEN. NOT 'most men'. NOT a 'majority of men. NOT EVEN a substantial minority of men.

You and the writer need to get a grip. The small coterie of guys that are pigs in public is a fact of life and for YOU to get all butthurt over a tiny percentage of men with poor social skills shows that you've learned nothing about life in however many years you've been around.

As for dragging a hypothetical daughter into the discuss is a move worthy of every feminist and liberal hack around right up to Barack Obama.

'It's for the children'. What bull shiat.

If YOU aren't raising your daughter to be alert and aware and able to defend herself, if need be, makes YOU a shiatty mom.

Look at the world the way it is, NOT the way you wish/want it to be.

Farking allah, women (and men) like you are boring and self-centered.
 
2013-01-19 02:05:43 PM

MadAzza: TheFark5000: Wow. The amount of sexism and "what about the few men this happens to!" in the first page alone already makes me want to vomit. The world is such a mean place to all you fragile, sad, pathetic men of Fark.

So much THIS. I got through half of the first page, skipped ahead, read a few more comments, and the level of hysteria (from the men, obviously) was just astounding. F*ck this, I don't need so much willful ignorance cluttering up my life.


Second.
 
2013-01-19 02:06:00 PM

Bored Horde: untaken_name: Bored Horde: untaken_name: A woman who makes the entire world responsible for her comfort? Shocking.

Yeah how dare she want to travel the world without being subject to sexual harassment, what a cunning stunt.

One difference between men and women is that men are constantly subjected to things we don't like also, but we don't feel the need to biatch about them to the world and try to make everyone on the planet behave in a way that makes us individually comfortable. For example, I'm constantly subjected to ridiculous nonsense posts like yours, but you don't see me telling you to shut the fark up and never post again, do you?

Please tell us more about the long list of injustices that men must suffer that women don't also suffer. Oh god, being paid more. Damn. Oh bother, being taken more seriously. Jesus christ, restating someone else's idea and being given credit for it.

Being a man is AWESOME. Being a white man is REALLY AWESOME. If you don't acknowledge all the great things that come by default, you're an ASSHOLE. You know that guy who was born on third and talks like he hit a triple? Don't be that guy. Nobody likes that guy.


Being a white, privileged, middle/upper class woman is REALLY AWESOME too. Most people seem to forget that for some reason.
 
2013-01-19 02:06:08 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: tirob: I would advise any woman to stay away from dive bars and meat market clubs. But if that woman rejects my advice, she's still entitled to sit there and have a drink without being come on to in a gross manner.

Great in theory, but if I'm at the farmer's market and I see a table set up with vegetables, I'm going to assume they are for sale. It's a social contract at the club that everyone is looking to get laid, that's why they are there.

While for God's sake I don't condone any of the actions described in the article, I wouldn't go to a gay bar and be surprised if I got groped. I also wouldn't be offended if I went to a sports bar and some guy wanted to talk about baseball.


Nowhere in the article does the writer say the bar was a meat market or a dive bar,it was simply a drinking establishment.This is basically the argument that "women in bars deserve what they get". Some women go to bars to hang out with their friends and drink. I think it's incredible that this attitude still exists. Where else should women stay away from for fear of their reputation?
 
2013-01-19 02:06:31 PM

Quinsisdos: murderguy: Wow. I don't think I've read the comments to a feminist article on Fark before. Most of you people have serious problems. I hope you are either too young to know better, or so old that you're on the verge of dying of old people diseases. Y'all have very bad attitudes about women, and you should feel bad. I hope my daughter, mother, and female friends never have to spend any time around you, and I hope your female acquaintances haven't suffered too much from your presence. Jesus.

Most of my female friends are now anti-feminists. Most of them have become utterly disgusted with how the mainstream feminist movment conducts itself in this country. Just look at Erin Pizzey; founder of the first domestic violence shelters for women in the 1970s, now an editior on a Men's Rights website.


Great that they have that opportunity, isn't it?
 
2013-01-19 02:07:11 PM

untaken_name: Bored Horde: untaken_name: A woman who makes the entire world responsible for her comfort? Shocking.

Yeah how dare she want to travel the world without being subject to sexual harassment, what a cunning stunt.

One difference between men and women is that men are constantly subjected to things we don't like also, but we don't feel the need to biatch about them to the world and try to make everyone on the planet behave in a way that makes us individually comfortable. For example, I'm constantly subjected to ridiculous nonsense posts like yours, but you don't see me telling you to shut the fark up and never post again, do you?


Bored Horde: Dansker: rushthatspeaks: Aww, booh hooh you're attractive and shallow and men notice. Wah. You take farking yoga? Whatever you snotty coont. I can't feel bad for you. Looks afford shallow coonts like you opportunities in life that most HARD WORKING people never get. So fark yourself you shallow biatch. Don't worry I won't EVER acknowledge your beauty.

Why do you assume she's attractive?
And what the fark is wrong with yoga?

He's probably disturbed and should talk to someone about it. Yeah that yoga, how dare you engage in stretching and moderate exercise.

Dankser: Please keep not acknowledging women's beauty, and keep your feelings between yourself and your therapist.


I really have no idea what you're trying to say here.
 
2013-01-19 02:07:57 PM
It's not that feminism is threatening or a problem or even, it's it's stated cause, a bad idea. It's that it's just one more clapped out, whored out, sold out industry that moves a lot of money around and demands you sew a patch on your coat at recite the party line or be a pariah. You know, all the stuff the feminist movement said was reprehensible and oppressive. It's become a caricature and a divisive wedge. And we have enough of those on Wall St. and congress. It's not threatening. It's a wadded up political cartoon. It's a magazine, a snarky T-Shirt ad a fistful of crap daytime shows. And that's sad.
 
2013-01-19 02:08:08 PM

WordyGrrl: Pincy: Men never think that there is a possibility of being raped by a woman. For women, it is a possibility. Doesn't mean it is going to happen, but it is a possibility. Depending on the circumstances, that possibility may be very small or much greater. The point is that men don't have to live with that constant fear and thus how we view "attention" from women is different from how women view "attention" from men.

The sooner we men can admit that the better.

For men, avoiding rape means staying out of prison where Big Bubba ogles your junk and keeps saying how he'd like to crack open yer butt. For women, the chances are much higher that Big Bubba could be anywhere -- standing behind them in the checkout line at Target, at the bus stop, in the library, stalking them through the parking lot, etc. He might be ugly or good-looking, short or tall, scrawny or buff.

When somebody treats you like prey, that threatening behavior kicks off the flight or fight response. It doesn't have to be a genuine threat. It just needs to be perceived by the victim as a threat. Women, unfortunately, run into more situations in which they have to "check the database" to evaluate threats to their person and it's usually in situations that men wouldn't imagine might contain any threat. To treat every encounter as a "100% safe until proven wrong" situation would be foolish -- and dangerous. Sadly, because of the bad apples out there, women have to stay in some level of self-preservation mode all the time. A lot of men can't imagine living in that mode, but for women, it's the norm.


The stats show clearly that you're far safer around strangers then with people you know. In order, you're going to be raped by a) your current partner, b) your close friends, c) your co-workers. Then we move into casual friends, dates, and people you meet at parties. When we move into the realm of people we meet in passing, the odds become utterly remote.

We've taught women completely ass-backwards on who to be suspicious of. It's like telling people to avoid accidents by watching the sky for incoming aircraft. We aren't teaching people to establish clear boundaries with people, and we aren't teaching people to respect those boundaries.
 
2013-01-19 02:08:50 PM

WordyGrrl: It doesn't have to be a genuine threat. It just needs to be perceived by the victim as a threat.


Huh? So a threat is a threat. And if it's not a threat, but someone thinks it's a threat--it's a threat?

I'm sure someone, somewhere, thinks my green baseball cap is threatening. This apparently makes me a threatening threat.
 
2013-01-19 02:12:32 PM

stiletto_the_wise: I'm sure someone, somewhere, thinks my green baseball cap is threatening. This apparently makes me a threatening threat.


Staple an alcohol prep wipe to it and try to walk through TSA Nazi security and you wont have to worry about about your hat anymore. That makes it seem like we're all barking at the wrong dogs, here, don't it?
 
2013-01-19 02:12:36 PM
Here's a double standard I have encountered.

How come a guy can put two fingers to his lips and snake his tounge through the opening but it's illegal for me to flick him off?
 
2013-01-19 02:13:08 PM

THE GREAT NAME: vudukungfu: Pretty woman walking down the street
Pretty woman the kind I like to meet pretty woman
I don't believe you you're not the truth
No one could look as good as you
Mercy
Pretty woman won't you pardon me
Pretty woman I couldn't help but see pretty woman
That you look lovely as can be
Are you lonely just like me

Pretty woman stop a while
Pretty woman talk a while
Pretty woman give your smile to me
Pretty woman yeah yeah yeah
Pretty woman look my way
Pretty woman say you'll stay with me
'Cause I need you I'll treat you right
Come with me baby be mine tonight

Pretty woman don't walk on by
Pretty woman don't make me cry pretty woman
Don't walk away hey ok
If that's the way it must be ok
I guess I'll go on home it's late
There'll be tomorrow night but wait
What do I see
Is she walking back to me
Yeah she's walking back to me
Oh oh pretty woman

Pincy thinks this song is exactly the same as rape.


Or a complete stranger shouting insults about women's "tacos".
 
2013-01-19 02:13:19 PM

douchebag/hater: shastacola: God, the male butthurt comments in this thread are really pathetic. I look forward to the day when your 14 year old daughter get the shiat scared out of her by some 30 year old stranger who thinks it's his right to comment on her ass. Make sure she understands that she shouldn't dress so slutty or be so attractive.Tell her to get used to it,she's got many years of strangers with a bizarre sense of entitlement judging her attire and figure.

You, kind woman, are missing the point and that point is this:

SOME men are jerks, SOME MEN. NOT 'most men'. NOT a 'majority of men. NOT EVEN a substantial minority of men.

You and the writer need to get a grip. The small coterie of guys that are pigs in public is a fact of life and for YOU to get all butthurt over a tiny percentage of men with poor social skills shows that you've learned nothing about life in however many years you've been around.

As for dragging a hypothetical daughter into the discuss is a move worthy of every feminist and liberal hack around right up to Barack Obama.

'It's for the children'. What bull shiat.

If YOU aren't raising your daughter to be alert and aware and able to defend herself, if need be, makes YOU a shiatty mom.

Look at the world the way it is, NOT the way you wish/want it to be.

Farking allah, women (and men) like you are boring and self-centered.


And you are missing the point that sexual harassment and especially rape happens a ton more to women than it does to men.
 
2013-01-19 02:14:51 PM

stiletto_the_wise: WordyGrrl: It doesn't have to be a genuine threat. It just needs to be perceived by the victim as a threat.

Huh? So a threat is a threat. And if it's not a threat, but someone thinks it's a threat--it's a threat?

I'm sure someone, somewhere, thinks my green baseball cap is threatening. This apparently makes me a threatening threat.



Well, I do admit, that I find people who evidence idiocy, in the way you have, threatening, and if the green hat fits... Who knows? The kind of person who could post your comment might try soaking their hair in gasoline to loosen up the chunk of gum that got stuck in it.

Seriously. You come off as a moron. Try to think about things before you post.

// If you're drunk, I understand.
 
2013-01-19 02:15:04 PM

WhippingBoy: Bored Horde: untaken_name: Bored Horde: untaken_name: A woman who makes the entire world responsible for her comfort? Shocking.

Yeah how dare she want to travel the world without being subject to sexual harassment, what a cunning stunt.

One difference between men and women is that men are constantly subjected to things we don't like also, but we don't feel the need to biatch about them to the world and try to make everyone on the planet behave in a way that makes us individually comfortable. For example, I'm constantly subjected to ridiculous nonsense posts like yours, but you don't see me telling you to shut the fark up and never post again, do you?

Please tell us more about the long list of injustices that men must suffer that women don't also suffer. Oh god, being paid more. Damn. Oh bother, being taken more seriously. Jesus christ, restating someone else's idea and being given credit for it.

Being a man is AWESOME. Being a white man is REALLY AWESOME. If you don't acknowledge all the great things that come by default, you're an ASSHOLE. You know that guy who was born on third and talks like he hit a triple? Don't be that guy. Nobody likes that guy.

Being a white, privileged, middle/upper class woman is REALLY AWESOME too. Most people seem to forget that for some reason.


If you eat a six course meal at a five star restaurant with a shiat sandwich served halfway through, well, that part tends to stand out.

Even the most privileged women in America are subject to derision, abuse and rape by the men who surround them. It's one of the few universal facts of life on this world, that as a woman the men who surround you will treat your sexual aspects as public property.
 
2013-01-19 02:17:11 PM

shastacola: Nowhere in the article does the writer say the bar was a meat market or a dive bar,it was simply a drinking establishment.This is basically the argument that "women in bars deserve what they get". Some women go to bars to hang out with their friends and drink. I think it's incredible that this attitude still exists. Where else should women stay away from for fear of their reputation?


I was responding to a poster who specifically mentioned meat markets. That's why I quoted him/her. I would never argue that a woman who was raped or harassed "had it coming". I find the sort of behavior described in the article as pathetic and contemptible. I grew up with my mom, my sister, and my grandmother so I always consider "What if someone treated my loved ones this way?"

I"m not saying that anyone should have to stay away from an establishment (or even a dark alley) out of fear, but some places you kind of know what to expect when you walk in. Hell there are bars I say out of because of their reputation. I don't want to deal with the shiat I hear goes on there, so I don't go there.
 
2013-01-19 02:18:05 PM

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Mambo Bananapatch: Lehk: WhippingBoy: 1. There's a subtle suggestion that this type of harassment and/or unwanted attention NEVER happens to men

no, the suggestion is that women have to deal with that shiat every DAY and men might deal with it a couple times a year.

I would give five years off my life to have to deal with it one single time.

I was 15 years old and volunteering in the old Union Hospital in Lynn, MA. My job was to deliver flowers to patients. I had just boarded the old service elevator at the back of the hospital and was closing the accordion door when one of the kitchen staff, a guy in his mid 20's, blocked the door, boarded too, and took over the controls, which were the old fashioned brass lever to go between floor. He stopped the elevator midway up between floors, grabbed me, shoved his cigarette tasting stinky tongue in my mouth and roughed me up a bit. I struggled but he was not a all guy, and nobody heard my yells. When he was done groping me he just brought the elevator up and didn't say a word to me. I was bruised and grossed out the rest of the day. Heck, for the rest of the year. I quit that volunteer job that week.


I wondered when the rape-liars were going to show up with their unverified stories. No you do not automatically win the argument because of something you claim happened once.
 
2013-01-19 02:18:32 PM
Is it just me, or is the first page of this thread nothing but massive, angry misogyny?

wtf farkers? how many of you actually believe this sh1`t
 
2013-01-19 02:20:23 PM
Women love the attention, that's why they shave their legs.
 
2013-01-19 02:20:37 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: shastacola: Nowhere in the article does the writer say the bar was a meat market or a dive bar,it was simply a drinking establishment.This is basically the argument that "women in bars deserve what they get". Some women go to bars to hang out with their friends and drink. I think it's incredible that this attitude still exists. Where else should women stay away from for fear of their reputation?

I was responding to a poster who specifically mentioned meat markets. That's why I quoted him/her. I would never argue that a woman who was raped or harassed "had it coming". I find the sort of behavior described in the article as pathetic and contemptible. I grew up with my mom, my sister, and my grandmother so I always consider "What if someone treated my loved ones this way?"

I"m not saying that anyone should have to stay away from an establishment (or even a dark alley) out of fear, but some places you kind of know what to expect when you walk in. Hell there are bars I say out of because of their reputation. I don't want to deal with the shiat I hear goes on there, so I don't go there.


I'm, sorry, I didn't read the post right. I do notice that some here are trying the "well she shouldn't have been there" excuse,but you're not one of them. My apologies.
 
2013-01-19 02:20:59 PM

THE GREAT NAME: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Mambo Bananapatch: Lehk: WhippingBoy: 1. There's a subtle suggestion that this type of harassment and/or unwanted attention NEVER happens to men

no, the suggestion is that women have to deal with that shiat every DAY and men might deal with it a couple times a year.

I would give five years off my life to have to deal with it one single time.

I was 15 years old and volunteering in the old Union Hospital in Lynn, MA. My job was to deliver flowers to patients. I had just boarded the old service elevator at the back of the hospital and was closing the accordion door when one of the kitchen staff, a guy in his mid 20's, blocked the door, boarded too, and took over the controls, which were the old fashioned brass lever to go between floor. He stopped the elevator midway up between floors, grabbed me, shoved his cigarette tasting stinky tongue in my mouth and roughed me up a bit. I struggled but he was not a all guy, and nobody heard my yells. When he was done groping me he just brought the elevator up and didn't say a word to me. I was bruised and grossed out the rest of the day. Heck, for the rest of the year. I quit that volunteer job that week.

I wondered when the rape-liars were going to show up with their unverified stories. No you do not automatically win the argument because of something you claim happened once.


The good thing is that any DA will easily be able to determine that you should not be serving on a jury for a rape case.
 
2013-01-19 02:22:12 PM

shastacola: I'm, sorry, I didn't read the post right. I do notice that some here are trying the "well she shouldn't have been there" excuse,but you're not one of them. My apologies.


Eh, internet arguments, tensions run high. *Shrug* it happens.
 
2013-01-19 02:22:34 PM

Protricity: Is it just me, or is the first page of this thread nothing but massive, angry misogyny?

wtf farkers? how many of you actually believe this sh1`t


It's good when it bubbles up to the surface in threads like this. Check out THE GREAT NAME above your comment. Or don't, it's terrible.

Every time someone argues that the internet and modern culture are somehow reducing sexism, misogyny or the public ownership of women's bodies and sexuality you just gotta point them in the direction of these shiatpiles.
 
2013-01-19 02:22:39 PM

Protricity: Is it just me, or is the first page of this thread nothing but massive, angry misogyny?

wtf farkers? how many of you actually believe this sh1`t


...in response to a shrieking ranty misandrist article that deliberately presses the "all men are potential rapists" button. Probably the least surprising thing to have happened all day. If you are surprised, it may be because you are out of touch.
 
2013-01-19 02:22:44 PM

tirob: Look, I didn't write the Pennsylvania disorderly conduct statute.


Or read it in it's entirety, apparently.

§ 5503. Disorderly conduct.
(a) Offense defined.--A person is guilty of disorderly
conduct if, with intent to cause public inconvenience, annoyance
or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof,
he:
(1) engages in fighting or threatening, or in violent or
tumultuous behavior;
(2) makes unreasonable noise;
(3) uses obscene language, or makes an obscene gesture;
or
(4) creates a hazardous or physically offensive
condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose of
the actor.
(b) Grading.--An offense under this section is a misdemeanor
of the third degree if the intent of the actor is to cause
substantial harm or serious inconvenience, or if he persists in
disorderly conduct after reasonable warning or request to
desist.
Otherwise disorderly conduct is a summary offense.
(c) Definition.--As used in this section the word "public"
means affecting or likely to affect persons in a place to which
the public or a substantial group has access; among the places
included are highways, transport facilities, schools, prisons,
apartment houses, places of business or amusement, any
neighborhood, or any premises which are open to the public.


Making a comment towards 1 individual =/= Making a persistant public scene as described in your link

Care to try again, Sparky?
 
2013-01-19 02:22:53 PM

douchebag/hater: shastacola: God, the male butthurt comments in this thread are really pathetic. I look forward to the day when your 14 year old daughter get the shiat scared out of her by some 30 year old stranger who thinks it's his right to comment on her ass. Make sure she understands that she shouldn't dress so slutty or be so attractive.Tell her to get used to it,she's got many years of strangers with a bizarre sense of entitlement judging her attire and figure.

You, kind woman, are missing the point and that point is this:

SOME men are jerks, SOME MEN. NOT 'most men'. NOT a 'majority of men. NOT EVEN a substantial minority of men.

You and the writer need to get a grip. The small coterie of guys that are pigs in public is a fact of life and for YOU to get all butthurt over a tiny percentage of men with poor social skills shows that you've learned nothing about life in however many years you've been around.

As for dragging a hypothetical daughter into the discuss is a move worthy of every feminist and liberal hack around right up to Barack Obama.

'It's for the children'. What bull shiat.

If YOU aren't raising your daughter to be alert and aware and able to defend herself, if need be, makes YOU a shiatty mom.

Look at the world the way it is, NOT the way you wish/want it to be.

Farking allah, women (and men) like you are boring and self-centered.


Here's the deal.  Small minority of men doing this, whatever, I don't care how many there are cruising around like this.  The percentage doesn't matter.  There are enough that it is noticeable.  Okay?

The problem with it is that, instead of all the other men who aren't like that standing up and saying "this is unacceptable, we need to end this," we get reactions like this thread, which churns with responses like:

-Wahh I'm overly defensive cuz I'm a man and don't get it so the article must be directly talking about meee but I'm not like that so it's wrooong!!1
-It must be your fault for being so attractive!!1
-It is what it is, deal with it.

These kinds of responses basically imply that, because you are excusing the behavior, you are accepting of the behavior.  And you can't really spin it any other way.  Sure, you may not be actively participating, but you're still, at the very least, turning a blind eye.  In reality, with responses like these, you're helping to perpetrate it, because this teeny tiny minority of assholes feels like and knows they can get away with it.  Because society grudgingly accepts their existence.  Because it is what it is, right?

By the way, that's why women have to be careful and think most men are pigs until they get to know them.  The assholes aren't cruising around with badges that say "I'M IN THAT TEENY TINY MINORITY OF JERKFACES YOU SHOULD LOOK OUT FOR."  It doesn't matter how many of them are out there, bro.  Teeny tiny minority like you're preaching or not.  When people finally get over themselves, when they finally stop saying shiat like "w/e I'M not one of those guys, how dare you" and "It is what it is, w/e" and "well it must be YOUR fault," women can stop having to worry like that.
 
2013-01-19 02:23:32 PM

Coastalgrl: Here's a double standard I have encountered.

How come a guy can put two fingers to his lips and snake his tounge through the opening but it's illegal for me to flick him off?


Because that man is an arrogant, bedwetting, butterheaded dolt with the intelligence quotient of a piss pail who thinks that dating consists of making women feel uncomfortable and then laughing about it with his also thick as pigsh*t friends. And we haven't found a cure for that yet.
 
2013-01-19 02:24:38 PM

Protricity: Is it just me, or is the first page of this thread nothing but massive, angry misogyny?

wtf farkers? how many of you actually believe this sh1`t



Yeah, it is pretty damn depressing. I mean, as a man, I grew up not understanding feminism, but that was a long time ago. It sucks to see it now, and in a much more virulent form than I recall seeing way back when. Maybe it is a good sign. Maybe they are whining because they actually have to think about gender equality if they don't want to be dissed, and they act like crybabies as a result. Still sucks, though.
 
2013-01-19 02:25:08 PM

murderguy: Quinsisdos: murderguy: Wow. I don't think I've read the comments to a feminist article on Fark before. Most of you people have serious problems. I hope you are either too young to know better, or so old that you're on the verge of dying of old people diseases. Y'all have very bad attitudes about women, and you should feel bad. I hope my daughter, mother, and female friends never have to spend any time around you, and I hope your female acquaintances haven't suffered too much from your presence. Jesus.

Most of my female friends are now anti-feminists. Most of them have become utterly disgusted with how the mainstream feminist movment conducts itself in this country. Just look at Erin Pizzey; founder of the first domestic violence shelters for women in the 1970s, now an editior on a Men's Rights website.

Find better friends.


I'll pass thanks.

/Respecting their choices and decisions, you know?
 
2013-01-19 02:25:44 PM

WhippingBoy: Bored Horde: untaken_name: Bored Horde: untaken_name: A woman who makes the entire world responsible for her comfort? Shocking.

Yeah how dare she want to travel the world without being subject to sexual harassment, what a cunning stunt.

One difference between men and women is that men are constantly subjected to things we don't like also, but we don't feel the need to biatch about them to the world and try to make everyone on the planet behave in a way that makes us individually comfortable. For example, I'm constantly subjected to ridiculous nonsense posts like yours, but you don't see me telling you to shut the fark up and never post again, do you?

Please tell us more about the long list of injustices that men must suffer that women don't also suffer. Oh god, being paid more. Damn. Oh bother, being taken more seriously. Jesus christ, restating someone else's idea and being given credit for it.

Being a man is AWESOME. Being a white man is REALLY AWESOME. If you don't acknowledge all the great things that come by default, you're an ASSHOLE. You know that guy who was born on third and talks like he hit a triple? Don't be that guy. Nobody likes that guy.

Being a white, privileged, middle/upper class woman is REALLY AWESOME too. Most people seem to forget that for some reason.


I see what you did there. I agree with you.
 
2013-01-19 02:26:03 PM

THE GREAT NAME: Protricity: Is it just me, or is the first page of this thread nothing but massive, angry misogyny?

wtf farkers? how many of you actually believe this sh1`t

...in response to a shrieking ranty misandrist article that deliberately presses the "all men are potential rapists" button. Probably the least surprising thing to have happened all day. If you are surprised, it may be because you are out of touch.


Yeah, I read the article, and I have no clue where you got that from.

At this point, I'm adding you to the mass of angry misogyny I mentioned above.

Sorry if you feel wrongly accused. Good luck believing whatever it is you believe about women.
 
2013-01-19 02:26:16 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: I see Fark wasted absolutely zero time in blaming the author for being harassed. Yeah, you all really can fark off and EABOD.

/I wonder what your wives would say
//oh wait...


EABOD... "Eat a Big Ol' Dick?" Help me here.
 
2013-01-19 02:26:22 PM
Sheesh, the real problem is that she lives in Chicago. What were you expecting an urban paradise full of sparkles and unicorns? Get used to the urban grunge, use some common sense, and carry bear mace for the aggressive creepers.
 
2013-01-19 02:27:50 PM

Mambo Bananapatch:

EABOD... "Eat a Big Ol' Dick?" Help me here.


"Eat a bag of dicks."
 
2013-01-19 02:28:04 PM

Mister Peejay: cabbyman: [slowfacts.files.wordpress.com image 600x367]

Holy crap, that's a beautiful revolver. It's like anti-steampunk.

Want.

/sadly, it's probably heinously expensive


I believe it's a Mateba. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mateba_Autorevolver

I looked it up a long time ago after seeing that very image because I didn't know that there was a revolver that fires from the bottom cylinder. Matebas are scarce but if you like THAT feature you can pick up a Chiappa Rhino for about $800 new.
 
2013-01-19 02:28:07 PM

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: There must be some real doozies in this thread- my ignore filter has blocked out almost half the comments. Am I missing anything?


Almost half the comments.
 
2013-01-19 02:28:35 PM

Pincy: THE GREAT NAME: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Mambo Bananapatch: Lehk: WhippingBoy: 1. There's a subtle suggestion that this type of harassment and/or unwanted attention NEVER happens to men

no, the suggestion is that women have to deal with that shiat every DAY and men might deal with it a couple times a year.

I would give five years off my life to have to deal with it one single time.

I was 15 years old and volunteering in the old Union Hospital in Lynn, MA. My job was to deliver flowers to patients. I had just boarded the old service elevator at the back of the hospital and was closing the accordion door when one of the kitchen staff, a guy in his mid 20's, blocked the door, boarded too, and took over the controls, which were the old fashioned brass lever to go between floor. He stopped the elevator midway up between floors, grabbed me, shoved his cigarette tasting stinky tongue in my mouth and roughed me up a bit. I struggled but he was not a all guy, and nobody heard my yells. When he was done groping me he just brought the elevator up and didn't say a word to me. I was bruised and grossed out the rest of the day. Heck, for the rest of the year. I quit that volunteer job that week.

I wondered when the rape-liars were going to show up with their unverified stories. No you do not automatically win the argument because of something you claim happened once.

The good thing is that any DA will easily be able to determine that you should not be serving on a jury for a rape case.


You have a good point. Juries being loaded with people who are inclined to bring in a guilty verdict because of their irrational views on rape are a big problem. You are absolutely right that opinion-censorship is being successfully used to skew juries and get innocent men imprisoned.

We have to fight the cultural assumption that there is something about rape that makes it OK to bias massively in favour of the accuser. This assumption is doing nobody any good. Whenever an innocent man goes to prison for rape, you just have one more person who thinks, "why not become a rapist? what have I to lose if I will be punished and stigmatised anyway".
 
2013-01-19 02:30:27 PM
http://i49.tinypic.com/2cmw6th.jpg
 
2013-01-19 02:30:30 PM

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: DrPainMD: Don't worry DNWPG. If your real-life personality is anything like your Fark personality, they'll leave you alone as soon as they get to know you.

Yea, because the last guy who groped my ass in a crowded subway car wanted to know what I thought of the dual Higgs discovery, you moron.


Maybe he groped you because you looked like you had a corn cob up your ass and needed assistance in it's removal?
 
2013-01-19 02:31:00 PM

Mr. Holmes: Sheesh, the real problem is that she lives in Chicago. What were you expecting an urban paradise full of sparkles and unicorns? Get used to the urban grunge, use some common sense, and carry bear mace for the aggressive creepers.


Is that how you handle it, Mr Holmes? When you're concerned that you might be sexually assaulted, do you just put a can of mace in your pocket?
 
2013-01-19 02:31:17 PM

Arthur Jumbles: Most 15 year old boys would be very happy to be grouped by a 20-something waitress or nurse in a hospital elevator. As a result I think it's hard for some men to understand why a woman wouldn't.


Imagine a fat, mustachioed, smells-like-cigarettes-and-Doritos, sweaty 20 year old woman attempting to grope you, where there's no escape, and she is definitely stronger than you.

Still the stuff of fantasies?
 
2013-01-19 02:31:46 PM
I really wish men could have that feeling that women do when we're walking alone or in a group with 2 or 3 girls and knowing that at any moment you could be attacked. The feeling of being so vulnerable is lost on men. However, every single one if their mothers, gfs, sisters, daughters, etc...have felt this on a regular basis. It's not a matter of age or attractiveness.
 
2013-01-19 02:31:53 PM

Pincy: douchebag/hater: shastacola: God, the male butthurt comments in this thread are really pathetic. I look forward to the day when your 14 year old daughter get the shiat scared out of her by some 30 year old stranger who thinks it's his right to comment on her ass. Make sure she understands that she shouldn't dress so slutty or be so attractive.Tell her to get used to it,she's got many years of strangers with a bizarre sense of entitlement judging her attire and figure.

You, kind woman, are missing the point and that point is this:

SOME men are jerks, SOME MEN. NOT 'most men'. NOT a 'majority of men. NOT EVEN a substantial minority of men.

You and the writer need to get a grip. The small coterie of guys that are pigs in public is a fact of life and for YOU to get all butthurt over a tiny percentage of men with poor social skills shows that you've learned nothing about life in however many years you've been around.

As for dragging a hypothetical daughter into the discuss is a move worthy of every feminist and liberal hack around right up to Barack Obama.

'It's for the children'. What bull shiat.

If YOU aren't raising your daughter to be alert and aware and able to defend herself, if need be, makes YOU a shiatty mom.

Look at the world the way it is, NOT the way you wish/want it to be.

Farking allah, women (and men) like you are boring and self-centered.

And you are missing the point that sexual harassment and especially rape happens a ton more to women than it does to men.


Time out. Rapes against men, like domestic violence against men and sexual harassment against men, is drastically underreported. Women and men don't report for the exact same reasons: fear of what society will say about them. Women, however, have support networks. Men have very few.

Remember the days just before 'date rape' (male on female version) entered the social conscious, and how 'date rape' was something people were socially conditioned not to think of as real rape, therefore you were not raped? Well, take that and multiply it exponentially to get what happens to men, and the social conditioning that men place on men, and that WOMEN place on men, when it comes to rape, harassment, assault and violence -- female on male version.

If the answer is that men hold more social power than women, and that the stakes are higher for women because women are the penetrated and the impregnated, that's the problem with the social conditioning all over again.

Women will never be equal as long as women continue to hold onto the pedestal with a death grip.
 
2013-01-19 02:32:19 PM

MadAzza: Mambo Bananapatch:

EABOD... "Eat a Big Ol' Dick?" Help me here.

"Eat a bag of dicks."


Eat a big old dick.

OR

Gayer than a bag of dicks.

Saying "Eat a bag of dicks" is like admitting you're not the sharpest bulb in the drawer...

Mixing metaphors is never cool.
 
2013-01-19 02:33:05 PM

Protricity: THE GREAT NAME: Protricity: Is it just me, or is the first page of this thread nothing but massive, angry misogyny?

wtf farkers? how many of you actually believe this sh1`t

...in response to a shrieking ranty misandrist article that deliberately presses the "all men are potential rapists" button. Probably the least surprising thing to have happened all day. If you are surprised, it may be because you are out of touch.

Yeah, I read the article, and I have no clue where you got that from.

At this point, I'm adding you to the mass of angry misogyny I mentioned above.

Sorry if you feel wrongly accused. Good luck believing whatever it is you believe about women.


Can I get in on that, too? Please, please, please?
 
2013-01-19 02:33:24 PM
OK, I am throwing in my two cents on this.
Yes, the guys FTA are assholes. They are douchebags that hoot and holler at any female that accidentally walks near them. This shiat happens.
HOWEVER
The woman in the article comes off quite feminazi to me when she starts her little rant about men and why can't men this. They are douchebags...yes, there are a lot of them. There are also aspects of life these douchebags play a role in too. Please see shiathead that cuts you off in traffic to make a turn immediately or the dumbass that wants to fight with the cashier at "t3h costco" over the price of a satchel of oranges. They may not be hooting and hollering at women, but they are still being asswipes.
 
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