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2013-01-19 12:08:48 PM

WhippingBoy: Polyhazard: Also, thanks to some helpful Farkers in the thread for helping me understand that yoga pants are now included in the set of things I can't wear unless I want to be Asking For It.

Jeezus... Some of you are embarrassing.

You're cherry picking comments in order to rationalize your feelings of "outrage".
Why else would you give credence to the opinion of a single anonymous poster on the internet?


Hey look, it's someone else who sees some creeps being called out and takes it upon himself to universalize it and take it personally.
 
2013-01-19 12:09:12 PM
Wow. The amount of sexism and "what about the few men this happens to!" in the first page alone already makes me want to vomit. The world is such a mean place to all you fragile, sad, pathetic men of Fark.
 
2013-01-19 12:09:24 PM

Arthur Jumbles: I can see how this type of behavior would be annoying if it was 365 days a year of gay guys grabbing my ass.


Okay, well, just to clarify....it wasn't 365/24/7. I didn't mean to give that impression. More like once every couple of months. And only very rarely (maybe twice) in 10 years was it unsolicited ass-grabbing.
 
2013-01-19 12:09:53 PM

Arthur Jumbles: However, if it was women I'd be in heaven and that's the disconnect that women don't get.


So you aren't a woman yet you think you can speak for women?
 
2013-01-19 12:10:14 PM

Pincy: clowncar on fire: ThrobblefootSpectre: Pincy: Well, you were working in a sports bar that I'm guessing probably catered to men, so I'm not exactly surprised you'd get hit on a lot. Now if you are getting the same thing from complete strangers while walking down the street at night that might be a little different.

And is it okay for a guy on the street to get angry (or even start shoving) over a suggestive comment from another guy?

Only if you were trying to find the proper equivalency which- in this case-- would be a female being subject to unwanted comments out on the street by other females.

I don't think guys tend to get as bunched up about unsolicited comments from females as females seem to.

Ya, probably not, since very rarely is a woman going to rape a guy. It's easy for guys to laugh it off or take it as a compliment when the thought of being raped never crosses their mind.


yup. statistically, 86% of rape victims are female, and 99% of rapists are male.

Recently, a 15 year old girl with 5 other teenage and early adult males were charged with rape in Prince George, BC. they lured two young teenage boys into an apartment, beat the shiat out of them and raped them.

What kind of upbringing do you have to have to do this? What the fark can we do to fix a society that has produced children like this???
 
2013-01-19 12:10:29 PM
ITT: Guys who would be cool with watching their sisters, daughters, wives, mothers, etc be harassed by a group of drunk men and would tell their sisters, daughters, wives, mothers, etc that if they don't want to be treated that way they should stop dressing like sluts and expecting to get free stuff because of how they look.
 
2013-01-19 12:10:32 PM
Wow. Just read the first page of comments. It forces you to remember how many of those were written from Mom's basement.
 
2013-01-19 12:10:47 PM

meat0918: We've come so far, haven't we?


The fact that we can look back and notice that we have come up - to a degree, out of the primordial goo means that we haven't come far enough and we already know how to climb the rest of the way. Men AND women. But we don't. We still think somebody wins and that having a snarky story for our BFFs is more important than honest love and respect. No, women aren't just baby ovens. And guess what, ladies? Men aren't practice mannequins. I got an idea. How about we ALL cut the sh*t and try holding hands at the movies, again?
 
2013-01-19 12:12:10 PM

One Bad Apple: Tatterdemalian: A female acquaintance of mine wanted me to take her out to a local gay bar. When I asked why, she said, "So you can see what it's like being flirted with by people you don't want to have sex with."

I replied, "How about I *not* go to the gay bar, so I don't give any of the guys the impression that I'm looking for a one night stand."

/she never spoke to me again
//and died at the hands of her abusive boyfriend a year ago

Well you sure showed her didn't you Te'o


We all pretend to be sad when a biatch like that dies. But the worst anyone really feels is inconvenienced. Woman who think they're getting away with it should take note,
 
2013-01-19 12:12:41 PM

miscreant: WhippingBoy: You're cherry picking comments in order to rationalize your feelings of "outrage".
Why else would you give credence to the opinion of a single anonymous poster on the internet?

She doesn't have to cherry pick comments. There are a shiatload of comments in this thread to find the "misogynistic troglodytes" as you tried to ironically call them. Sad thing is, it's not ironic. And you're one of the worst offenders by far. Glad you gave yourself your own farkie for me.


I'm sorry you feel that way. I realize that my posts are rather bumbling and inarticulate, but I'm sincerely trying to make an honest, valid, and fair point. Could you please give me an example of where you felt I was being a "misogynistic troglodyte"? (This is a sincere request, I'm not trying to be "ironic" or trick you). I'd like to re-examine it, and will certainly agree with you if I think it's warranted.
 
2013-01-19 12:13:44 PM

THE GREAT NAME: We all pretend to be sad when a biatch like that dies. But the worst anyone really feels is inconvenienced. Woman who think they're getting away with it should take note,


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*click*
 
2013-01-19 12:13:57 PM

T.M.S.: My perspective changed when I had a daughter. For the first time ever I saw the world from the eyes of a girl. And the view was not pretty. Now I fully support my wife's insistence on single sex education. Boys are animals and belong in cages.


Seconded!
 
2013-01-19 12:15:53 PM

TheFark5000: Wow. The amount of sexism and "what about the few men this happens to!" in the first page alone already makes me want to vomit. The world is such a mean place to all you fragile, sad, pathetic men of Fark.


That's right. Men have no issues or problems of their own, and should feel ashamed for suggesting that they do. The life of every man is filled with constant wine (I mean "whine" - amirite??) and roses.
 
2013-01-19 12:16:05 PM

Target Builder: ITT: Guys who would be cool with watching their sisters, daughters, wives, mothers, etc be harassed by a group of drunk men and would tell their sisters, daughters, wives, mothers, etc that if they don't want to be treated that way they should stop dressing like sluts and expecting to get free stuff because of how they look.


I've actually tried this tactic before (though only in broad daylight.) Some dude starts harassing you on street, turn around, look them dead in the eye and say "what would you do if someone was doing this to your mother right now?"

It really shocks them, mostly because they do it in the first place because they expect no response. And I did get a couple of "shut up biatch" comments, but more than one apology. I kinda hope it sticks with some of these guys for next time.
 
2013-01-19 12:16:47 PM

bunner: One Bad Apple: Well you sure showed her didn't you Te'o

What cheap bag of dogsh*t you left on that guy's porch. Guess you told him.

There's nothing quite as scary as women who need to take the metrics of THEIR sh*tty relationship and start demanding answers from people who aren't in it, regardless of who is on which side of that.

The answer is on the other side of the bed. Not in some random friend guy who you think has some 'splainin to do. And she didn't notice that. And was murdered.

And he lost a friend and all you can do is bite your lip and giggle at your endlessly witty remark. *click*


I only found out what happened to her a little while after I checked out this thread... it reminded me of that conversation, and I looked her name up on Google out of curiosity. I recognized her murderer's name too... he's still in prison, and probably will be for life.

/and any more personal details nobody gets from me
//so FARKers can go ahead and call bullshiat all they like, it actually makes me feel safer knowing they don't know anything about my real life
 
2013-01-19 12:16:54 PM

clowncar on fire: Pincy: clowncar on fire: ThrobblefootSpectre: Pincy: Well, you were working in a sports bar that I'm guessing probably catered to men, so I'm not exactly surprised you'd get hit on a lot. Now if you are getting the same thing from complete strangers while walking down the street at night that might be a little different.

And is it okay for a guy on the street to get angry (or even start shoving) over a suggestive comment from another guy?

Only if you were trying to find the proper equivalency which- in this case-- would be a female being subject to unwanted comments out on the street by other females.

I don't think guys tend to get as bunched up about unsolicited comments from females as females seem to.

Ya, probably not, since very rarely is a woman going to rape a guy. It's easy for guys to laugh it off or take it as a compliment when the thought of being raped never crosses their mind.

And you actually believe that all unsolicited comments end in rapey rape?


Strawman? Did I say that? Reread what I said. Men never think that there is a possibility of being raped by a woman. For women, it is a possibility. Doesn't mean it is going to happen, but it is a possibility. Depending on the circumstances, that possibility may be very small or much greater. The point is that men don't have to live with that constant fear and thus how we view "attention" from women is different from how women view "attention" from men.

The sooner we men can admit that the better.
 
2013-01-19 12:18:13 PM
I thought that as a lazy Saturday morning thread, we'd have more a focus on taco's and magic buttons and a lot less straight out misogyny. Guess a lot of frustrated dudes are posting today.
 
2013-01-19 12:18:38 PM
Settle in, men; misandry is here to stay for a while.

For at least the next several generations there will be some women who want to make up for thousands of years of real (but mostly imagined) male oppression. Most will just be pissed off temporarily, and probably justifiably so, but a few will be sincere, maniacal (sorry, 'womaniacal') outrage queens with political influence.
 
2013-01-19 12:18:49 PM

quickdraw: cabbyman: [thefamily.com image 360x190]

or this

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I'm 5'5" and would do anything for an extra inch or two.

/Of height, that is.
//Actually, now that I think of it...


No, really though, I think we all (women and men) bear some of the responsibility for the way that parts of society has devolved into basically a living internet comments thread. While no one can be blamed for being harassed or assaulted, it pays to know your surroundings and plan appropriately. It's a shiatty culture we have become, but that's the way the world is. We can lament it, howl at the wind, or blog about it; or we can focus on raising our kids in a way that doesn't perpetuate it. Come to think of it, why can't we do a little of both? I know why, because everything will eventually be derailed by someone saying something horrible, and all the responses thereafter.

I'm focusing on my family, and I'm not going to go out of my way to try to push for some categorical societal shift. I'll do my part by not being a douchebaggerous ogre, you can do me the favor of not throwing those who are in my face and telling me to do something about it.
 
2013-01-19 12:18:54 PM

AJisaff: yup. statistically, 86% of rape victims are female, and 99% of rapists are male.


Perhaps because women don't get charged with rape in equal situations. Guy's drunk and horny woman starts tugging at his pants? - oh, that's acceptable, not a crime.

Did you see the article yesterday about the teacher attempting rape on an unwilling boy? She got zero (0) days prison, and no sex offender registry. I humbly suggest that sentencing disparity between genders accounts for a large part of that statistic you just mentioned.
 
2013-01-19 12:19:20 PM
everyone's a victim, these days
 
2013-01-19 12:19:51 PM

Maestro1701: T.M.S.: My perspective changed when I had a daughter. For the first time ever I saw the world from the eyes of a girl. And the view was not pretty. Now I fully support my wife's insistence on single sex education. Boys are animals and belong in cages.

Seconded!


ok, segregation, but not gender based education, right\? not that "oh geez, maths is hard, so we'll just dumb it down for the girlies" shiat they are trying out in Alabama, right?

/please Gawd... not that...

unfortunately when you daughter leaves the school, and goes out in the real world, how is she going to handle sexually based interraction? our world isn't segregated...
 
2013-01-19 12:20:30 PM
I have been on Fark for almost 6 years now, and although I don't comment on things, I'm on here daily, reading articles and comments.

After reading the comments in this article, I'm done with this site.

I can't believe I was a (very small) part of this community.

I am disgusted, to the point of being physically sickened, by the majority of comments on this article.

For those of you who still have the stomach to stay and stand up for what's right against these 'people', thank you, but I just can't anymore.
 
2013-01-19 12:20:41 PM

Pincy: THE GREAT NAME: Pincy: Comedian Ever Mainard sums up this mindset in her excellent bit about the fact that women are constantly aware that "their rape" could happen at any time. She says, "The problem is that every woman has that one moment when you think, here's my rape!

Just asked my wife about this. At just over 40 she's had two of these moments that she can recall. That sucks.

So now a woman doesn't even have to be raped to be a victim of rape? Get real. Things happen that scare us sometimes.

Did I say she was a victim of rape? NO. I said she thought she was going to be raped. One if definitely worse than the other but it still sucks that women have to constantly be on their guard.

As a man, I can honestly say that I have never once thought to myself "I think I'm going to be raped". My guess is the percentage of men who have never had this feeling is much much higher than the percentage of women. To pretend otherwise is ridiculous.


Men have to be constantly on guard about the thread of a false rape accusation. A successful false rape accusation is just as bad as a rape and so the fear is just as legitimate.
 
2013-01-19 12:20:56 PM

Lernaeus: Settle in, men; misandry is here to stay for a while.

For at least the next several generations there will be some women who want to make up for thousands of years of real (but mostly imagined) male oppression. Most will just be pissed off temporarily, and probably justifiably so, but a few will be sincere, maniacal (sorry, 'womaniacal') outrage queens with political influence.


It sucks to be a man in the world today, doesn't it?
 
2013-01-19 12:21:20 PM

AJisaff: What kind of upbringing do you have to have to do this? What the fark can we do to fix a society that has produced children like this???


I think that most of it has to do with environment (i.e., parenting). So many people are unfit to be parents, and they are the biggest influence on a child's development. When one or both are not fully engaged, that void is filled somewhere else.
 
2013-01-19 12:21:29 PM
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This was a just a simple misunderstanding!
 
2013-01-19 12:22:17 PM

WhippingBoy: TheFark5000: Wow. The amount of sexism and "what about the few men this happens to!" in the first page alone already makes me want to vomit. The world is such a mean place to all you fragile, sad, pathetic men of Fark.

That's right. Men have no issues or problems of their own, and should feel ashamed for suggesting that they do. The life of every man is filled with constant wine (I mean "whine" - amirite??) and roses.


Don't be (pretend to) be stupid. No one is saying guys don't have problems. But you have to wonder why a thread about a woman trying to get men to see things from her point of view devolves into an instant wail-fest about the shiat men have to deal with, as if placing it on a scale will somehow erase the point this woman was making about her own experience.
 
2013-01-19 12:22:34 PM

Polyhazard: Target Builder: ITT: Guys who would be cool with watching their sisters, daughters, wives, mothers, etc be harassed by a group of drunk men and would tell their sisters, daughters, wives, mothers, etc that if they don't want to be treated that way they should stop dressing like sluts and expecting to get free stuff because of how they look.

I've actually tried this tactic before (though only in broad daylight.) Some dude starts harassing you on street, turn around, look them dead in the eye and say "what would you do if someone was doing this to your mother right now?"

It really shocks them, mostly because they do it in the first place because they expect no response. And I did get a couple of "shut up biatch" comments, but more than one apology. I kinda hope it sticks with some of these guys for next time.


Wow, congrats for standing up. Takes a lot more guts than most people have. I hope it makes a difference, even a small one.
 
2013-01-19 12:22:39 PM

THE GREAT NAME: Pincy: THE GREAT NAME: Pincy: Comedian Ever Mainard sums up this mindset in her excellent bit about the fact that women are constantly aware that "their rape" could happen at any time. She says, "The problem is that every woman has that one moment when you think, here's my rape!

Just asked my wife about this. At just over 40 she's had two of these moments that she can recall. That sucks.

So now a woman doesn't even have to be raped to be a victim of rape? Get real. Things happen that scare us sometimes.

Did I say she was a victim of rape? NO. I said she thought she was going to be raped. One if definitely worse than the other but it still sucks that women have to constantly be on their guard.

As a man, I can honestly say that I have never once thought to myself "I think I'm going to be raped". My guess is the percentage of men who have never had this feeling is much much higher than the percentage of women. To pretend otherwise is ridiculous.

Men have to be constantly on guard about the thread of a false rape accusation. A successful false rape accusation is just as bad as a rape and so the fear is just as legitimate.


Ya, I know when I'm walking down the street at night I'm constantly on my guard for roving packs of women accusing me of raping them.
 
2013-01-19 12:23:13 PM

Pincy: Lernaeus: Settle in, men; misandry is here to stay for a while.

For at least the next several generations there will be some women who want to make up for thousands of years of real (but mostly imagined) male oppression. Most will just be pissed off temporarily, and probably justifiably so, but a few will be sincere, maniacal (sorry, 'womaniacal') outrage queens with political influence.

It sucks to be a man in the world today, doesn't it?


Halp, I'm being oppressed!!
 
2013-01-19 12:23:14 PM

angela_mna: I have been on Fark for almost 6 years now, and although I don't comment on things, I'm on here daily, reading articles and comments.

After reading the comments in this article, I'm done with this site.

I can't believe I was a (very small) part of this community.

I am disgusted, to the point of being physically sickened, by the majority of comments on this article.

For those of you who still have the stomach to stay and stand up for what's right against these 'people', thank you, but I just can't anymore.


And you're going to make this same post in the next dozen threads on this topic, aren't you?
 
2013-01-19 12:23:19 PM

Polyhazard: WhippingBoy: TheFark5000: Wow. The amount of sexism and "what about the few men this happens to!" in the first page alone already makes me want to vomit. The world is such a mean place to all you fragile, sad, pathetic men of Fark.

That's right. Men have no issues or problems of their own, and should feel ashamed for suggesting that they do. The life of every man is filled with constant wine (I mean "whine" - amirite??) and roses.

Don't be (pretend to) be stupid. No one is saying guys don't have problems. But you have to wonder why a thread about a woman trying to get men to see things from her point of view devolves into an instant wail-fest about the shiat men have to deal with, as if placing it on a scale will somehow erase the point this woman was making about her own experience.


BINGO!
 
2013-01-19 12:24:20 PM

bunner: meat0918: We've come so far, haven't we?

The fact that we can look back and notice that we have come up - to a degree, out of the primordial goo means that we haven't come far enough and we already know how to climb the rest of the way. Men AND women. But we don't. We still think somebody wins and that having a snarky story for our BFFs is more important than honest love and respect. No, women aren't just baby ovens. And guess what, ladies? Men aren't practice mannequins. I got an idea. How about we ALL cut the sh*t and try holding hands at the movies, again?


Admirable sentiment, but I think you are giving young people too much credit. They're just using trial and error to figure out how to interact with the opposite sex - they don't intelligently consider strategies and choose one. We have castrated all the social structures that would give them rules to follow and strategies to use, so they just do whatever their hindbrains urge them to do, and then see what happens.
 
2013-01-19 12:25:11 PM

AJisaff: What kind of upbringing do you have to have to do this? What the fark can we do to fix a society that has produced children like this???


Things with no direction only stop when they hit a wall. But, "FOR GOD'S SAKE, NEVER DISCIPLINE OUR CHILDREN OR I WILL HAVE THE LAW ON YOUR ASS AND TAKE YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU HAVE!" Anybody see a cyclical pattern emerging here. Life has consequences for actions. Sh*t, that not even society, that's physics, ffs. But let's keep omitting that, lest our snowflakes give pause and consider that the sun just might not be shining out of the crack of their ass. Self esteem, you know. Vanity and hubris still stink of something left out of the fridge for too long. And instead of trying to rise above it, we let disingenuous old men turn them into industries. Stop buying every flavor of smoke that's blown up your ass about "what really matters" and for god's sake, don't sell the same smoke to your kids.
 
2013-01-19 12:25:24 PM

TheFark5000: Wow. The amount of sexism and "what about the few men this happens to!" in the first page alone already makes me want to vomit. The world is such a mean place to all you fragile, sad, pathetic men of Fark.


If somebody raped you, I would not shed a tear.
 
2013-01-19 12:25:42 PM

AJisaff: you know what's really sickening? that this is in Canada. and the Canadian "rape culture" is a tiny fraction of what it is in the States. I can only imagine what it is like for women in the States


Insane paranoia isn't fun anywhere
 
2013-01-19 12:26:25 PM

daveUSMC: I'm 5'5" and would do anything for an extra inch or two.


The day that science comes up with a pill or surgery (that doesn't leave you crippled for months) to increase a man's height is the day that a whoooole bunch of guys stop talking shiat about cosmetic procedures. It'd be the male boob job, nearly ubiquitous and frequently taken to the extreme, with easily visible results that get the patient tons of attention and self esteem.
 
2013-01-19 12:26:52 PM

angela_mna: I have been on Fark for almost 6 years now, and although I don't comment on things, I'm on here daily, reading articles and comments.

After reading the comments in this article, I'm done with this site.

I can't believe I was a (very small) part of this community.

I am disgusted, to the point of being physically sickened, by the majority of comments on this article.

For those of you who still have the stomach to stay and stand up for what's right against these 'people', thank you, but I just can't anymore.


Well, bye.
 
2013-01-19 12:27:10 PM

THE GREAT NAME: TheFark5000: Wow. The amount of sexism and "what about the few men this happens to!" in the first page alone already makes me want to vomit. The world is such a mean place to all you fragile, sad, pathetic men of Fark.

If somebody raped you, I would not shed a tear.


You don't say? That sentiment goes against everything else you've posted in this thread. I don't know how I read you so wrong.
 
2013-01-19 12:27:30 PM

Polyhazard: WhippingBoy: TheFark5000: Wow. The amount of sexism and "what about the few men this happens to!" in the first page alone already makes me want to vomit. The world is such a mean place to all you fragile, sad, pathetic men of Fark.

That's right. Men have no issues or problems of their own, and should feel ashamed for suggesting that they do. The life of every man is filled with constant wine (I mean "whine" - amirite??) and roses.

Don't be (pretend to) be stupid. No one is saying guys don't have problems. But you have to wonder why a thread about a woman trying to get men to see things from her point of view devolves into an instant wail-fest about the shiat men have to deal with, as if placing it on a scale will somehow erase the point this woman was making about her own experience.


Speaking strictly for myself, I was sincerely trying to offer a counterpoint by trying to get people to see things from my (a man's) point of view.
 
2013-01-19 12:29:00 PM

AJisaff: Pincy: clowncar on fire: ThrobblefootSpectre: Pincy: Well, you were working in a sports bar that I'm guessing probably catered to men, so I'm not exactly surprised you'd get hit on a lot. Now if you are getting the same thing from complete strangers while walking down the street at night that might be a little different.

And is it okay for a guy on the street to get angry (or even start shoving) over a suggestive comment from another guy?

Only if you were trying to find the proper equivalency which- in this case-- would be a female being subject to unwanted comments out on the street by other females.

I don't think guys tend to get as bunched up about unsolicited comments from females as females seem to.

Ya, probably not, since very rarely is a woman going to rape a guy. It's easy for guys to laugh it off or take it as a compliment when the thought of being raped never crosses their mind.

yup. statistically, 86% of rape victims are female, and 99% of rapists are male.

Recently, a 15 year old girl with 5 other teenage and early adult males were charged with rape in Prince George, BC. they lured two young teenage boys into an apartment, beat the shiat out of them and raped them.

What kind of upbringing do you have to have to do this? What the fark can we do to fix a society that has produced children like this???


So, when a women commits a rape, it's suddenly the fault of her upbringing? Do women not have to accept responsibility for the bad things they do? Are you saying women are too pathetic for responsibility?
 
2013-01-19 12:29:51 PM

Occam's Disposable Razor: daveUSMC: I'm 5'5" and would do anything for an extra inch or two.

The day that science comes up with a pill or surgery (that doesn't leave you crippled for months) to increase a man's height is the day that a whoooole bunch of guys stop talking shiat about cosmetic procedures. It'd be the male boob job, nearly ubiquitous and frequently taken to the extreme, with easily visible results that get the patient tons of attention and self esteem.


Don't they already do this in Japan and South Korea, where you can actually be denied a job for your height? Thought I read something awful about shin-breaking surgery that would give you a couple inches. *shudder*
 
2013-01-19 12:30:40 PM

angela_mna: I have been on Fark for almost 6 years now, and although I don't comment on things, I'm on here daily, reading articles and comments.

After reading the comments in this article, I'm done with this site.

I can't believe I was a (very small) part of this community.

I am disgusted, to the point of being physically sickened, by the majority of comments on this article.

For those of you who still have the stomach to stay and stand up for what's right against these 'people', thank you, but I just can't anymore.


Forgive my obvious ignorance, but what exactly was so incredibly objectionable? I can understand feeling frustrated, but I don't see what makes this thread so different from any other Fark threads on similar subjects.
 
2013-01-19 12:31:06 PM
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Jesus farking christ I am SO TIRED of women complaining all the time about everything. If you're an attractive woman you are like a celebrity, and celebrities have to deal with getting harassed in public. Period. On the other hand, you are also A FARKING CELEBRITY, which has a plethora of perks.

This is how life goes, there are upsides and downsides to everything. Incessantly complaining about the negative aspects, especially while ignoring the positives, just makes you look like a whiny, spoiled, and naive 12 year old. Grow the fark up.

/life is hard
//welcome to the real world
///rich white people problems ftl
 
2013-01-19 12:31:27 PM

Polyhazard: Occam's Disposable Razor: daveUSMC: I'm 5'5" and would do anything for an extra inch or two.

The day that science comes up with a pill or surgery (that doesn't leave you crippled for months) to increase a man's height is the day that a whoooole bunch of guys stop talking shiat about cosmetic procedures. It'd be the male boob job, nearly ubiquitous and frequently taken to the extreme, with easily visible results that get the patient tons of attention and self esteem.

Don't they already do this in Japan and South Korea, where you can actually be denied a job for your height? Thought I read something awful about shin-breaking surgery that would give you a couple inches. *shudder*


Some dwarves go through a whole weird, torturous regimen of having their legs broken and rebroken in order to be stretched.
 
2013-01-19 12:32:08 PM

Pincy: Comedian Ever Mainard sums up this mindset in her excellent bit about the fact that women are constantly aware that "their rape" could happen at any time. She says, "The problem is that every woman has that one moment when you think, here's my rape!

Just asked my wife about this. At just over 40 she's had two of these moments that she can recall. That sucks.


Thanks, was just about to give up on this thread.

Guys, she can't read your mind. She doesn't know what you want. "she should take it as a compliment" is *your* interpretation based on your context; maybe she agrees, maybe not. It's not about boy/girl, it's basic empathy and interpersonal skills.
 
2013-01-19 12:32:57 PM

noitsnot: Admirable sentiment, but I think you are giving young people too much credit.


I give the more base aspects of the way people behave not a whit of credit, but if they can read and see the freely available map of every grand and every stupid idea - and their rewards and consequences - laid out in the vast and mind panorama of history, and do not invest the time, I not only do not give them credit, I'm pretty sure their cash isn't worth much, either.
 
2013-01-19 12:33:41 PM

bunner: All property is theft, all sex is rape, all commerce is oppression. And other overwrought and painstakingly delineated college theses that stack up to f*ck all in the real world. Did we really come up with brave and empowering new world when we decided that being ladies and gentlemen was "old hat". That old hat was a pretty useful ledge in our climb out of the social primordial goo, y'all. And so far, we haven't exactly been farting rainbows on each other by declaring it irrelevant.


I would agree with the civility that being "ladies and gentlemen" implies. What I don't agree with is the monetary aspect of that relationship. When women can't own property, or earn a decent wage, or invest or do any of the other aspects of society that allows her to eat or have a home with out a husband, then "the civility" of our previous mores creates all sorts of social implications that are harmful to our species.

We will figure out how to handle this in time. It's just that such a change on such a massive scale takes time.
 
2013-01-19 12:33:55 PM

WhippingBoy: Polyhazard: WhippingBoy: TheFark5000: Wow. The amount of sexism and "what about the few men this happens to!" in the first page alone already makes me want to vomit. The world is such a mean place to all you fragile, sad, pathetic men of Fark.

That's right. Men have no issues or problems of their own, and should feel ashamed for suggesting that they do. The life of every man is filled with constant wine (I mean "whine" - amirite??) and roses.

Don't be (pretend to) be stupid. No one is saying guys don't have problems. But you have to wonder why a thread about a woman trying to get men to see things from her point of view devolves into an instant wail-fest about the shiat men have to deal with, as if placing it on a scale will somehow erase the point this woman was making about her own experience.

Speaking strictly for myself, I was sincerely trying to offer a counterpoint by trying to get people to see things from my (a man's) point of view.


And what, exactly, was your counterpoint? Because I missed it. All I see you saying is "guys have been groped." How is that a counterpoint?
 
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