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2013-01-19 11:44:03 AM
Also, thanks to some helpful Farkers in the thread for helping me understand that yoga pants are now included in the set of things I can't wear unless I want to be Asking For It.

Jeezus... Some of you are embarrassing.
 
2013-01-19 11:45:21 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: Picture 6' and 130 lbs. Just picture it in your head. No-one is physically intimidated by me, yet I still find ways to get my point across in face-to-face interaction.

All the women friends I have are able to do that -- I've seen it in action -- and I've never seen any of them get into fisticuffs with men or women. Usually the offender just shuts up and wanders to the other side of the bar.


Usually being the operative word. I know a guy who had the same philosophy you have, until a homeless guy stabbed him with a pair of scissors.
 
2013-01-19 11:45:40 AM

THE GREAT NAME: It's Me Bender: quickdraw: Alright lets say hes terrified to tell me if some guy groped his ass at a trade show or something. Why wouldnt he tell me if he had been harassed before I met him?

Interesting how you assume that the harassment would be from a man.

quickdraw is a misandrist who thinks only men can do bad things.


LOL! kisses!

mmmm bad things........

/brb gonna go give hubby his morning beej
 
2013-01-19 11:46:27 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: megarian: noitsnot: megarian: This is stupid. Being a girl is fantastic.

You don't seem the least bit real.

I'm not. At all. Smoke and mirrors?

Like Lindsay Lohan. Except she's more the cocaine on the mirrors than the mirrors themselves.


I like to do my coke off of hookers. Their shame and body glitter gives the high that extra something special. I'm sure Lindsay can relate. Mirrors are overrated.
 
2013-01-19 11:46:28 AM

Dansker: ExperianScaresCthulhu:
I see what you're saying, and agree with it. Again, leads back to the ho doth protest too much. She's not really, she's bragging. See also: hos who make a point of pointing out their BMI when it's on the low end.

I'm guessing you don't have any female friends.


Why? Women are just as likely to dislike asshat women as men are to dislike asshat men. The only difference is that asshat women use cultural weapons like feminism, rape-claims etc to intimidate everyone including other women. This makes it harder for women as a whole to self-police. But if we, as men, simply ignore the asshat women, we can get along with the rest of them just fine.
 
2013-01-19 11:47:46 AM

KiwDaWabbit: A gay guy gave me a compliment once. I was just flattered that someone found me attractive in any way.


Yep, exactly. BINGO!

I was a barback in a sports bar for some 10 years until recently. Over the years I got hit on by a lot of guys. Ranging from flattering comments to my body (yes it's flattering, even from another guy), to rather rude requests to let them blow me. I never once shoved anyone, I never got angry, I never blogged about what a victim I was. My reaction ranged from being flattered, to a simple "No thanks" for the more forward propositions.
 
2013-01-19 11:47:56 AM
ITT: A whole bunch of Farkers I thought were cool turn out to be troglodytes.
Screw this. It's saturday. I'm gonna get drunk and not shout at random women.
 
2013-01-19 11:48:00 AM
A female acquaintance of mine wanted me to take her out to a local gay bar. When I asked why, she said, "So you can see what it's like being flirted with by people you don't want to have sex with."

I replied, "How about I *not* go to the gay bar, so I don't give any of the guys the impression that I'm looking for a one night stand."

/she never spoke to me again
//and died at the hands of her abusive boyfriend a year ago
 
2013-01-19 11:48:15 AM

Parmenius: I have  never treated women -or anyone else- as depicted in tfa, but I've certainly had to deal with the effects  of their foolishness.  And, with rare exceptions, if someone is behaving with all the civility of a gutter snipe it is a man doing it.  I really dislike having to prove that those jackasses don't represent my gender, and threads like this do not help.


Neither have we, you idiot. Maybe, just maybe, that is why we get a tad fed up with constantly being accused of it.
 
2013-01-19 11:48:37 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Lenny_da_Hog: Picture 6' and 130 lbs. Just picture it in your head. No-one is physically intimidated by me, yet I still find ways to get my point across in face-to-face interaction.

All the women friends I have are able to do that -- I've seen it in action -- and I've never seen any of them get into fisticuffs with men or women. Usually the offender just shuts up and wanders to the other side of the bar.

Usually being the operative word. I know a guy who had the same philosophy you have, until a homeless guy stabbed him with a pair of scissors.


I'm sure the ensuing blog post made a lot of difference there, too.
 
2013-01-19 11:50:04 AM

quickdraw: And so what you are using as your closing argument is that you, as a 6' tall man, feel safe confronting rude behavior but women dont' and so we should all behave like 6' men do?


Did you read the 130 lb part? Being average height and having your own penis doesn't make you a master of hand to hand combat.
 
2013-01-19 11:51:25 AM

Tatterdemalian: A female acquaintance of mine wanted me to take her out to a local gay bar. When I asked why, she said, "So you can see what it's like being flirted with by people you don't want to have sex with."

I replied, "How about I *not* go to the gay bar, so I don't give any of the guys the impression that I'm looking for a one night stand."

/she never spoke to me again
//and died at the hands of her abusive boyfriend a year ago


Well you sure showed her didn't you Te'o
 
2013-01-19 11:51:37 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: KiwDaWabbit: A gay guy gave me a compliment once. I was just flattered that someone found me attractive in any way.

Yep, exactly. BINGO!

I was a barback in a sports bar for some 10 years until recently. Over the years I got hit on by a lot of guys. Ranging from flattering comments to my body (yes it's flattering, even from another guy), to rather rude requests to let them blow me. I never once shoved anyone, I never got angry, I never blogged about what a victim I was. My reaction ranged from being flattered, to a simple "No thanks" for the more forward propositions.


Well, you were working in a sports bar that I'm guessing probably catered to men, so I'm not exactly surprised you'd get hit on a lot. Now if you are getting the same thing from complete strangers while walking down the street at night that might be a little different.
 
2013-01-19 11:52:00 AM

RassilonsExWife: Whodat: The author sounds like a narcissist.

And you sound like a clueless ass.

I love threads like this. They're such good asshole bait. As the troglodytes come slithering out, I can give the ignore button a good workout, and for the next few months the threads I follow become relatively idiot-free.


So you seek out opportunities to put people on ignore? Why would you go looking for comments that you would then prevent yourself from being able to read?

You're the sort of person who strikes up conversations with strangers in the street, only to turn them into arguments, having driven your friends, family and everyone who ever loved you away years ago.
 
2013-01-19 11:52:36 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Parmenius: I wonder how many people in this thread would have the courage to make their comments in person.  I wonder whether they actually conduct themselves in this barbaric way, or if it's just the Internet Misogyny Brigade.

I have  never treated women -or anyone else- as depicted in tfa, but I've certainly had to deal with the effects  of their foolishness.   And, with rare exceptions, if someone is behaving with all the civility of a gutter snipe it is a man doing it.  I really dislike having to prove that those jackasses don't represent my gender, and threads like this do not help.

You've never worked in all-female offices as the lone man, have you ;) (anyway, I still see what you're saying.)


Actually, my college job was in the personnel office at the college - only man with 25 or so female co-ops and 15 or so adult female staff.  I had attention, but not in a negative way...
 
2013-01-19 11:52:43 AM
basically everyone sympathizes with the scared young female, but your self defense *gasp* is your farking responsibility, you are a creature, an animal, you are not special, you cannot magically alter and abate the laws of reality and nature because of your indoctrinated upbringing.

whining on the internet about how this shiat sucks is like a squirrel whining about the lack of nuts in farking winter.

grow up, grow a pair, be happy you live in this part of HIStory, and realize that shiat is going to get way farking worse in this country, sorry, there's not going to be any omniscient force looking out for you, deal with it.

when it all comes down you will be groveling at the feet of the local "patriarchy" begging to be let into a functional society.

this is a much bigger and more real issue than the prevalence of "rape culture"..
 
2013-01-19 11:52:46 AM

umad: Parmenius: I have  never treated women -or anyone else- as depicted in tfa, but I've certainly had to deal with the effects  of their foolishness.  And, with rare exceptions, if someone is behaving with all the civility of a gutter snipe it is a man doing it.  I really dislike having to prove that those jackasses don't represent my gender, and threads like this do not help.

Neither have we, you idiot. Maybe, just maybe, that is why we get a tad fed up with constantly being accused of it.


Don't you dare try to defend yourself, you minsogynst troglodyte!
 
2013-01-19 11:52:56 AM

bunner: AJisaff: this is in Canada. and the Canadian "rape culture" is a tiny fraction of what it is in the States.

There is no "rape culture". There's criminal culture. And as soon as we get back to stringing up that faction of it and tossing them in lime pits and quit acting like dime store criminals, pirate bankers and thugs are some kind of rock stars, we'll all be safer.


ok, i totally agree with you... and favorited you too...

good point.
 
2013-01-19 11:53:07 AM

Pincy: Well, you were working in a sports bar that I'm guessing probably catered to men, so I'm not exactly surprised you'd get hit on a lot. Now if you are getting the same thing from complete strangers while walking down the street at night that might be a little different.


And is it okay for a guy on the street to get angry (or even start shoving) over a suggestive comment from another guy?
 
2013-01-19 11:53:54 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: I'm sure the ensuing blog post made a lot of difference there, too.


Funny. This looks like a response, yet it actually contains nothing at all in reference to what it was responding to.
 
2013-01-19 11:54:50 AM

One Bad Apple: Well you sure showed her didn't you Te'o


What cheap bag of dogsh*t you left on that guy's porch. Guess you told him.

There's nothing quite as scary as women who need to take the metrics of THEIR sh*tty relationship and start demanding answers from people who aren't in it, regardless of who is on which side of that.

The answer is on the other side of the bed. Not in some random friend guy who you think has some 'splainin to do. And she didn't notice that. And was murdered.

And he lost a friend and all you can do is bite your lip and giggle at your endlessly witty remark. *click*
 
2013-01-19 11:55:53 AM

Pincy: Comedian Ever Mainard sums up this mindset in her excellent bit about the fact that women are constantly aware that "their rape" could happen at any time. She says, "The problem is that every woman has that one moment when you think, here's my rape!

Just asked my wife about this. At just over 40 she's had two of these moments that she can recall. That sucks.


So now a woman doesn't even have to be raped to be a victim of rape? Get real. Things happen that scare us sometimes.
 
2013-01-19 11:55:58 AM

THE GREAT NAME: So you seek out opportunities to put people on ignore? Why would you go looking for comments that you would then prevent yourself from being able to read?


Confirmation bias. A lot of people flock to these types of threads in order to reinforce their world view.

Men are misogynistic troglodytes. See? This Fark thread proves it.
 
2013-01-19 11:56:07 AM

AJisaff: ok, i totally agree with you... and favorited you too...


Well, bless your heart. : )
 
2013-01-19 11:56:07 AM

umad: Parmenius: I have  never treated women -or anyone else- as depicted in tfa, but I've certainly had to deal with the effects  of their foolishness.  And, with rare exceptions, if someone is behaving with all the civility of a gutter snipe it is a man doing it.  I really dislike having to prove that those jackasses don't represent my gender, and threads like this do not help.

Neither have we, you idiot. Maybe, just maybe, that is why we get a tad fed up with constantly being accused of it.


I'm not sure who the "we" is here.  As of my post, you hadn't been in this thread, at least not with that login.
 
2013-01-19 11:56:55 AM

bunner: AJisaff: ok, i totally agree with you... and favorited you too...

Well, bless your heart. : )


Ditto.
 
2013-01-19 11:57:40 AM

Bored Horde: Frederick: So being really attractive is a two sided coin, eh?  Who woulda thought.

Of course on the other side of the coin is; greater salaries,  undeserved promotions, more lenient sentences, ugh, lets stop the list there.....

I wonder why your article didnt mention how your husband deals with your attractiveness?

Good looking men get more money and raise through the ranks faster. Good looking women get sidelined into pretty-face positions.

Women have to be average to slightly-above-average looking, thin but not too thin, fashionable without being slutty or dowdy, done up without going too far - women live on a razor's edge that doesn't exist for men. Everything a woman does is open for judgement, in a way that isn't true for men. Go farking talk to some women. Ask them how stressful buying a skirt is - is it fashionable or slutty to have a hemline 2 inches above their knees? What if they're self-conscious about their knees and want to wear a below-the-knees skirt - will people subconsciously regard them as too conservative and pass them over for big projects or management positions?

Talk to women. Check your assumptions, and listen with an open mind. Remember that all the problems they list - obsessing over being taken seriously, obsessing over avoiding or feeling guilty about inviting unwanted attention, obsessing over their appearance - these are all on top of the normal life stresses. Being a woman doesn't let you off the hook from your health, paying the bills, keeping your car in good working order, and all the other annoyances of life.

If you're not interested in doing this then just recognize that you don't have the perspective and knowledge to empathize with being a woman. You should just consider that many attractive women who age feel relief (and guilt over that relief) when they become "invisible" and are no longer subject to all that extra special attention. Some also feel crushed because most of their male friends were just in it to bump bits for a few minutes, and years of companionship and shared experience were apparently for naught.


No guy notices those small details and makes grand assumptions about the person wearing it. That's firmly and absolutely an issue created and perpetuated by other women.
 
2013-01-19 11:57:52 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Pincy: Well, you were working in a sports bar that I'm guessing probably catered to men, so I'm not exactly surprised you'd get hit on a lot. Now if you are getting the same thing from complete strangers while walking down the street at night that might be a little different.

And is it okay for a guy on the street to get angry (or even start shoving) over a suggestive comment from another guy?


Only if you were trying to find the proper equivalency which- in this case-- would be a female being subject to unwanted comments out on the street by other females.

I don't think guys tend to get as bunched up about unsolicited comments from females as females seem to.
 
2013-01-19 11:58:16 AM

cabbyman: [slowfacts.files.wordpress.com image 600x367]


You need a companion one showing a crying, battered woman with the caption "Your elected representatives wanted to disarm her rapist. The NRA said no."
 
2013-01-19 11:58:20 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Pincy: Well, you were working in a sports bar that I'm guessing probably catered to men, so I'm not exactly surprised you'd get hit on a lot. Now if you are getting the same thing from complete strangers while walking down the street at night that might be a little different.

And is it okay for a guy on the street to get angry (or even start shoving) over a suggestive comment from another guy?


I don't think it's okay, or advisable, for anyone to do that. But it does not mean the original behavior is okay. Do you agree?
 
2013-01-19 11:59:09 AM
Don't fret your poor head about it little girl, you're on Fark now so everything's gonna get better for you.
 
2013-01-19 11:59:51 AM

quickdraw: And so what you are using as your closing argument is that you, as a 6' tall man, feel safe confronting rude behavior but women dont' and so we should all behave like 6' men do?


It's weird that you focus only on the height, and don't look at the weight he mentions.

Just so you know, there's generally more to intimidation than height. You may not realize how skinny 6' tall and 130lbs is-I do, because I'm in that same weight and height range.

That is "Ribs are visible if shirt is off" skinny. "Ribcage is jutting out slightly BEFORE you inhale" skinny. If you inhale all the way, you sort of start looking like skeletor.

It is "You look like some sort of raggedy monkey twigman" skinny. Generally comes with reaaallllyyy gangly arms and legs.

Now, while this DOES turn your elbows into deadly, deadly, boney protrusions of doom, it is generally not very intimidating looking, at least not to those that might be looking for violence/looking to do harm (which is who the Weenerser was *talking* about.)

There really wasn't any need to imply "Oh you big brave SIX FOOT TALL MAN, it's easy for you!" when he basically pointed out that, due to his weight, a large number of people could *bench press him*. Especially those who one would have need to be afraid off due to violence.
 
2013-01-19 11:59:54 AM

bunner:


What cheap bag of dogsh*t you left on that guy's porch. Guess you told him.

There's nothing quite as scary as women who need to take the metrics of THEIR sh*tty relationship and start demanding answers from people who aren't in it, regardless of who is on which side of that.

The answer is on the other side of the bed. Not in some random friend guy who you think has some 'splainin to do. And she didn't notice that. And was murdered.

And he lost a friend and all you can do is bite your lip and giggle at your endlessly witty remark. *click*



You're right. How can I be so insensitive at the death of an imaginary girl at the hands of her fake abusive boyfriend. I hope they lock me up in the same sham prison that he went to.


For the record the bag of flaming poo trick works better with a ziplock baggie filled with gasoline or rubbing alcohol depending on lighting conditions.
 
2013-01-19 12:00:21 PM

clowncar on fire: Only if you were trying to find the proper equivalency which- in this case-- would be a female being subject to unwanted comments out on the street by other females.


The subject is sexual advances from men. It happens to women, and it happens to men.
 
2013-01-19 12:00:47 PM

tirob: I do not recall my ever uttering any of the kinds of things the writer mentions to any woman or girl anywhere, at any time, nor do I recall any of my buddies ever having done so.

A good bit of what the writer describes in TFA would be classified as disorderly conduct here. May I suggest, ladies, that you all look up the relevant statutes where you are and that, if you are sufficiently alarmed by this kind of thing, you call a cop the next time it happens.

/I sense that the writer is bragging just a little bit....


Actually, what she can do is select a different venue. One that is not patronized by the type of men she described.

Pro-tip 1: if you go to a dive bar, you are going to run into people who go to dive bars.
Pro-tip 2: if you go to a meat market bar/club, expect to get "looked at" by people looking to pick up a piece of meat as you just put yourself into the display case.

Bottom line is, take responsibility for your own actions and choices.
 
2013-01-19 12:00:57 PM

THE GREAT NAME: Pincy: Comedian Ever Mainard sums up this mindset in her excellent bit about the fact that women are constantly aware that "their rape" could happen at any time. She says, "The problem is that every woman has that one moment when you think, here's my rape!

Just asked my wife about this. At just over 40 she's had two of these moments that she can recall. That sucks.

So now a woman doesn't even have to be raped to be a victim of rape? Get real. Things happen that scare us sometimes.


Did I say she was a victim of rape? NO. I said she thought she was going to be raped. One if definitely worse than the other but it still sucks that women have to constantly be on their guard.

As a man, I can honestly say that I have never once thought to myself "I think I'm going to be raped". My guess is the percentage of men who have never had this feeling is much much higher than the percentage of women. To pretend otherwise is ridiculous.
 
2013-01-19 12:01:27 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: KiwDaWabbit: A gay guy gave me a compliment once. I was just flattered that someone found me attractive in any way.

Yep, exactly. BINGO!

I was a barback in a sports bar for some 10 years until recently. Over the years I got hit on by a lot of guys. Ranging from flattering comments to my body (yes it's flattering, even from another guy), to rather rude requests to let them blow me. I never once shoved anyone, I never got angry, I never blogged about what a victim I was. My reaction ranged from being flattered, to a simple "No thanks" for the more forward propositions.


Last couple of Halloween my female friends all want to go to these bars in Boytown in Chicago. Polite to crude come ons all night.... never felt offended. Now..... this is just one night a year.... I can see how this type of behavior would be annoying if it was 365 days a year of gay guys grabbing my ass. However, if it was women I'd be in heaven and that's the disconnect that women don't get.
 
2013-01-19 12:02:09 PM

Polyhazard: Also, thanks to some helpful Farkers in the thread for helping me understand that yoga pants are now included in the set of things I can't wear unless I want to be Asking For It.

Jeezus... Some of you are embarrassing.


You're cherry picking comments in order to rationalize your feelings of "outrage".
Why else would you give credence to the opinion of a single anonymous poster on the internet?
 
2013-01-19 12:02:52 PM
 
2013-01-19 12:03:25 PM

clowncar on fire: ThrobblefootSpectre: Pincy: Well, you were working in a sports bar that I'm guessing probably catered to men, so I'm not exactly surprised you'd get hit on a lot. Now if you are getting the same thing from complete strangers while walking down the street at night that might be a little different.

And is it okay for a guy on the street to get angry (or even start shoving) over a suggestive comment from another guy?

Only if you were trying to find the proper equivalency which- in this case-- would be a female being subject to unwanted comments out on the street by other females.

I don't think guys tend to get as bunched up about unsolicited comments from females as females seem to.


Ya, probably not, since very rarely is a woman going to rape a guy. It's easy for guys to laugh it off or take it as a compliment when the thought of being raped never crosses their mind.
 
2013-01-19 12:03:27 PM

Arthur Jumbles: Bored Horde: Women have to be average to slightly-above-average looking, thin but not too thin, fashionable without being slutty or dowdy, done up without going too far - women live on a razor's edge that doesn't exist for men. Everything a woman does is open for judgement, in a way that isn't true for men. Go farking talk to some women. Ask them how stressful buying a skirt is - is it fashionable or slutty to have a hemline 2 inches above their knees? What if they're self-conscious about their knees and want to wear a below-the-knees skirt - will people subconsciously regard them as too conservative and pass them over for big projects or management positions?

Funny thing is that most of the judgement is coming from women against other women.


Agree. Women are judged more, but they're also more judgemental. Most of the judging is girl-on-girl. It's only thanks to socialists and their evil plan to split society into "perpetrator" and "survivor" groups that people attribute any of this to men.

Women who work in genuinely male-dominated places get to wear what they want. When evil leftists like quickdraw come along and stuff the place with lazy maternity-seeking women with rubber-stamped qualifications is when things get biatchy.
 
2013-01-19 12:05:37 PM

bunner: AJisaff: ok, i totally agree with you... and favorited you too...

Well, bless your heart. : )


you're welcome
 
2013-01-19 12:05:53 PM
Besides, you're out at a bar and you happened across a pair of lovely birds carrying on about what type of meat they wish to stuff in their tocos- this is truly the fodder of comic legend that any guy with a sense of humor would be obligated to not chip in and comment on.

"Let me get this right- she was lying there on the couch, partially nude and begging for it and you did what again? Thanked her for the coffee and politely left?!" Yeah. Like one of those type of situations.
 
2013-01-19 12:05:56 PM

theflatline: She seems to think she is more attractive than she really is, I can tell she used to be overweight and now is a cute chubby, but those complexes that develop during the fat years tend to run deep through an ex fatties life.  So while they want to be the cheerleader, they become pseudo hipsters and even worse, bloggers.   And no man is then good looking enough for them, and they hate the really pretty girls.

Here are some bits from her other ramblings, cause you know they never seen a white chick in India, and there are no hot women in Spain which forces Spaniards to hit on sandal wearing hostel dwellers.

" Sometimes, I go to countries where the presence of a wandering single white woman is an attraction in and of itself. There are probably at least a hundred Indians with surreptitious cell phone pictures of me; apparently I was just that photogenic ."


"He approached me, and said something in Catalan I didn't understand. I responded in Spanish, telling him to have a good night, and waving him away. For a block, he hovered just a few feet over my shoulder. He approached again, lightly grabbing my elbow. Though the precise language of his proposition was lost on me, the gist was clear: American girls all have a price, what was mine? "


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When you stop with the vaganiamony or the by me stuff and i rub my tits on you
Mybe you get treated better the common whores
 
2013-01-19 12:05:58 PM

DerAppie: lordjupiter: The women were asked to rate the degree to which they felt sexually harassed.

And this is where everything breaks down.


Ten Politically Incorrect Truths About Human Nature
Alan S. Miller Ph.D., Satoshi Kanazawa Ph.D.

Men sexually harass women because they are not sexist

An unfortunate consequence of the ever-growing number of women joining the labor force and working side by side with men is the increasing number of sexual harassment cases. Why must sexual harassment be a necessary consequence of the sexual integration of the workplace?

Psychologist Kingsley R. Browne identifies two types of sexual harassment cases: the quid pro quo ("You must sleep with me if you want to keep your job or be promoted") and the "hostile environment" (the workplace is deemed too sexualized for workers to feel safe and comfortable). While feminists and social scientists tend to explain sexual harassment in terms of "patriarchy" and other ideologies, Browne locates the ultimate cause of both types of sexual harassment in sex differences in mating strategies.

Studies demonstrate unequivocally that men are far more interested in short-term casual sex than women. In one now-classic study, 75 percent of undergraduate men approached by an attractive female stranger agreed to have sex with her; none of the women approached by an attractive male stranger did. Many men who would not date the stranger nonetheless agreed to have sex with her.

The quid pro quo types of harassment are manifestations of men's greater desire for short-term casual sex and their willingness to use any available means to achieve that goal. Feminists often claim that sexual harassment is "not about sex but about power;" Browne contends it is both-men using power to get sex. "To say that it is only about power makes no more sense than saying that bank robbery is only about guns, not about money."

Sexual harassment cases of the hostile-environment variety result from sex ...



This is kind of half-baked in that it seems to be trying to divide "sexual harassment" into two terms that can be reduced to something other than what the actual term means. If men are just after sex via power and not the other way around, then they are NOT treating women in the workplace the same as men, as the author contends.

Maybe cracking jokes in the presence of women and treating them like "one of the guys" is indeed an attempt at "equality", but that doesn't lead to the conclusion that "men sexually harass women because they are not sexist". That's absurd.
 
2013-01-19 12:06:08 PM

WhippingBoy: You're cherry picking comments in order to rationalize your feelings of "outrage".
Why else would you give credence to the opinion of a single anonymous poster on the internet?


She doesn't have to cherry pick comments. There are a shiatload of comments in this thread to find the "misogynistic troglodytes" as you tried to ironically call them. Sad thing is, it's not ironic. And you're one of the worst offenders by far. Glad you gave yourself your own farkie for me.
 
2013-01-19 12:06:17 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Being average height and having your own penis doesn't make you a master of hand to hand combat.


Average man's height in the US is 5'10".

Someone who is 6 feet tall is almost a standard deviation to the right, i.e. tall. The story above by a farker who was told he must be "6 foot tall to ride the ride" kind of illustrates the issue that "short" men have. That woman is immediately ruling out 60-70% of men. Idiotic, but the attitude remains.

/5'11" in the morning before the weight of the world drags me down
 
2013-01-19 12:08:10 PM
Didn't happen. None of it.
 
2013-01-19 12:08:28 PM

WhippingBoy: While I sympathize somewhat, I have a couple of problems with articles like this:

1. There's a subtle suggestion that this type of harassment and/or unwanted attention NEVER happens to men
2. There's a underlying belief that "men" (in general) condone these types of actions
3. The "outrage" seems to be for the express purpose of generating blog hits

There's jerks in life; we encounter them every day. To attribute an given individual's jerky behaviour to any conveniently defined "group" is intellectually dishonest. If I were to put blinders on and conveniently ignore those instances where persons of my gender were jerks to me (and instead focused only on those instances where person of the opposite gender were jerks to me), I could become a social justice crusader.


Stop being rational on Fark.

That kind of behavior isn't looked upon very kindly 'round these parts.
 
2013-01-19 12:08:41 PM

Pincy: clowncar on fire: ThrobblefootSpectre: Pincy: Well, you were working in a sports bar that I'm guessing probably catered to men, so I'm not exactly surprised you'd get hit on a lot. Now if you are getting the same thing from complete strangers while walking down the street at night that might be a little different.

And is it okay for a guy on the street to get angry (or even start shoving) over a suggestive comment from another guy?

Only if you were trying to find the proper equivalency which- in this case-- would be a female being subject to unwanted comments out on the street by other females.

I don't think guys tend to get as bunched up about unsolicited comments from females as females seem to.

Ya, probably not, since very rarely is a woman going to rape a guy. It's easy for guys to laugh it off or take it as a compliment when the thought of being raped never crosses their mind.


And you actually believe that all unsolicited comments end in rapey rape?
 
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