Pandar: The "just wait 20 years from now when no one will look at you" comments here seem to be made with a fair amount of indignance and hurt feelings. I get the impression that anyone who would say that has been the man catcalling some woman on the street

Actually, I'm the guy who's gotten laid a whole lot more now than I did years ago because of woman around 40. When I was younger I never ever could have conceived of dating someone more than about a year older than me. Lately I find I'm the one getting asked out far more often and it's almost always by a woman a few years older than me. It's not a bad thing, I met some great women, had a lot of sex and some good friendships come out of things.

I've also got woman as friends who are around that age and have heard more complaints about being invisible than anything else. The hard truth is woman are scared of being invisible and spend billions of dollars every year to avoid it. I'm not defending the guys who are jerks are grope woman's butts, but let's be real and not try to define the exception as the rule. That would be like me thinking all women are cheating liars just because my ex-wife was.

I've also never cat called a woman in my life, it always struck me as a sure way to get a woman to /not/ want to have sex with you.

Lenny_da_Hog: shastacola: Lenny_da_Hog: shastacola: God, the male butthurt comments in this thread are really pathetic. I look forward to the day when your 14 year old daughter get the shiat scared out of her by some 30 year old stranger who thinks it's his right to comment on her ass. Make sure she understands that she shouldn't dress so slutty or be so attractive.Tell her to get used to it,she's got many years of strangers with a bizarre sense of entitlement judging her attire and figure.

Yeah.

Women never judge each other on these things.

There's a difference between silently judging someone's looks and having complete strangers commenting on your "taco".but I bet you knew that.

Yeah. And it's funny that all the attractive women are only friends with other attractive women, and feel entitled to tell the others how ugly they are.

Have you never been in a high school, college campus, church, or bar?

False.

Attractive women always keep at least one fat/ugly girl around for comparative purposes.

2013-01-19 09:24:57 AM
DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: DrPainMD: Don't worry DNWPG. If your real-life personality is anything like your Fark personality, they'll leave you alone as soon as they get to know you.

Yea, because the last guy who groped my ass in a crowded subway car wanted to know what I thought of the dual Higgs discovery, you moron.

You sound fat.

FEMALE LIFE PLAN:
0-15 force men to give you attention by getting in their faces
15-30 complain about too much attention from men
30-100 force men to give you attention by getting in their faces

TFA: "I am reasonably attractive and was at a bar and some guy hit on me. I was in yoga pants another time and some guy stopped and looked at me and even said something!

Poor repressed me. Stop the patriarchy!"

gilgigamesh: Smock Pot: SnarfVader: WhippingBoy: Smock Pot: I don't know why women keep trying to tell men what it's like, because men are never going to get it. Ever. No matter what a woman says about this, no matter how many analogies she makes, no matter how she says it, men will respond with... pretty much everything in this thread. They will continue to act like untrained dogs around women they want to fark and shiat all over women they deem too old or too ugly to fark.

Yep, this is true.

No, it's bullshiat. Not all men are like that, especially not the ones like me who have daughters they want to see succeed. Quit lumping us all together.

If you aren't like the men described in the article, great. Be an example and stand up for women when you see this shiat.

Just understand that as a man, you're still never gonna get it.

I *never* see men act like this, which is why I think the article is bullshiat.

Maybe that's the real issue. I wonder if cat calls are a rural vs urban thing. I just can't imagine myself or anybody I know doing this or groping women on the subway. I guess I really can't relate.

Much thanks to my benefactor for the TF subscription!

Wow, are really greenlighting crappy feminist blogs now??

Your blog sucks.

quickdraw: WhippingBoy: quickdraw: WhippingBoy: I'm defending "men" in general.

Why?

Why? I dunno... because there just might be some men out there who are decent human beings?

Nowhere in that article does it imply there are no good men. FFS just because a women says lots of men act like assholes doesnt mean all men do. If I said the Olive Garden sucks would you feel the need to defend all Italian restaurants?

Blacks have to. Why not generic racial-not-specific men?

quickdraw: Head_Shot: quickdraw: PanicMan: I didn't know Saturday morning was "sexist asshole" time here. Good to know.

Yeah Im gonna mark it on my calendar from now on.

Bored Horde: WhippingBoy: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: DrPainMD: Don't worry DNWPG. If your real-life personality is anything like your Fark personality, they'll leave you alone as soon as they get to know you.

Yea, because the last guy who groped my ass in a crowded subway car wanted to know what I thought of the dual Higgs discovery, you moron.

Do you think that this doesn't happen to men? When I was younger, I had my ass groped (without my consent) a number of times. I imagine that men who are more attractive then me have experienced this even more.

Groping a woman carries the implicit threat of rape in a way that a woman groping a man doesn't. However uncomfortable you felt being groped, remember that women are taught that it's their fault they got groped, that all men are groping raping monsters and it's the woman's fault if they let them get close.

For you, it was the simple act of violation of your body. For women, it's that AND a reminder that their body's positive assets belong to society.

While I agree with you completely you are assuming it was a woman who groped him. However the point still stands that far more women get raped then men and it is a much bigger threat getting your ass grabbed.

The thing is every single woman I know has had to deal with the potential for sexual harassment as an ongoing part of her daily life. And even though I have reached the supposedly "invisible" age I still have to deal with that shiat. And I assure you I am thoroughly average in appearance. OTOH my hubby who is very tall and very handsome has never ever been sexually harassed.

Are you sure he'd tell you if he was?

Why wouldnt he? Were both adults. *shrug*

That's pretty naive.

Bedstead Polisher: Howie Spankowitz: Wow.  Been a Farker for a long time.  Seldom see such near universal mouth-breathing, male douchebaggery so early and often in a thread.  TFA's author was completely reasonable and 90% of the comments from you assclowns is "hurrr get me a sammich durr be glad dudes are even looking at you hurrr she needs to get laid."

So glad I don't have a daughter.

I read the article expecting to roll my eyes, but found it to be reasonable. The comments in TFA were also reasonable and not too "you go girl!!", then I clicked on these comments and wondered why I come to Fark (Is it always like this? did I miss that?)
Glad to see your comment.

/last time I was "cat-called" was NYE and a guy in his 20s said to me as I walked past "You look very nice tonight." Now that's a compliment!

Maybe everyone's periods are synching up.

Ooba Tooba: I want to hear about the "almost rape" on Barcelona. Did a foreigner make eye contact? Smile at her? Buy her a drink? Poor, poor attractive lady.


Some pedastals take longer than others to disintegrate.

From the comments:

Bear Lisa • a month ago −
That's why I carry a knife. If I'm walking home at night time that motherfarker is in my hot little hand just waiting....

Her hot little hand intrigues me.

Jerks and b*tches do have one thing in common. Jerks don't like each other, either and neither do b*tches. They also think somebody "wins". This is not a modern phenomenon. As far as "the patriarchy", by all means, replace whatever is left of that with something that works better. For everybody. It might mean you don't win, though. *sigh* Now you go home, and you decent people. Be decent.

I read this as, "I've got a huge ass and black guys like to comment on it."

Jailbreak the patriarchy! lol

Here's a fun game: Replace the word "men" in feminist articles with the word "blacks" and see how the article reads.

The world is not a perfect Candyland custom tailored for you and only you. Jerks and biatches both exist.


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quickdraw: ExperianScaresCthulhu: quickdraw: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Men are graded on their height. Women can control all of the above. Men can not control their height.

So your point is that you are judged on one physical attribute and women are judged on dozens of them - some of which they can control? And your using that to show how mens lives are just the same as womens?

Women can control those 'dozens of things'. Men cannot. Bottom line. Women have it easier than men when it comes to using the softer skills to get what they want. Also bottom line.

Shorter men are screwed in ways the 'nice guys' look at, shake their heads and sigh saying 'there but for the grace of God..' You're right that no, men's lives and women's lives are not the same. But it's not like men don't face their own kinds of harassments, rejections, and attempts by others to overpower them on the daily. Shorter men are going to experience it more than taller men. And, unlike women, they have no social outlets and no social sympathy for fighting against it. Shrug.

I get it yes - it sucks to be a short guy. What does that have to do with never feeling safe when you leave the house just because of your gender? Do people openly mock you for your height as an adult? Do they yell about how youre the perfect height to suck their dick? Because those are the things that happen to short women.

Shorter men can be rendered invisible in the presence of taller men. Women render shorter men invisible in the presence of taller men. Women can subconsciously socially castrate shorter men while in the pursuit of taller men. Is it worse to be openly mocked in words, better to be mocked by actions?

Nobody's blues are the same, but they're still the blues. That's all.

Holy shiatcakes, it's rare to see 200+ comments of so many people JUST NOT GETTING IT.

Your intrusion into my life is not welcome. Keep it to yourself!

Well to fix this you need women to change how dating works. Guys only do this because they are the one with the onus to approach women, if women would come up and ask out guys, this would turn everything around.

someonelse: halfof33: Wow, are really greenlighting crappy feminist blogs now??

Your blog sucks.

As opposed to, say, jammiewearingfool or the unskewed polls guy or any number of other crap blogs that FARK links to all the time? You're shocked, shocked!

As long as we are on the same page that this blog sucks, I'm down with your post, fembro.

She proved that the plural of anecdote is "anec-data!"

Does it disturb you that we think like this? That we have to think like this?

I do find it disturbing that the author thinks like that. She does not have to. She talks about the things she does to protect herself because she's sure she's hurtling towards her rape moment, then notes that when her rape moment came she didn't get raped.
If rape didn't exist, would she (or anyone at all, male or female) no longer need to concern themselves with assault? Would she stop being afraid of men if they were only capable of beating the crap out of her but not raping her?
As long as she carries the mindset that every man is Schrodinger's rapist (yes, I've read that ridiculous essay, too) then the only acceptable behavior from any man is to pretend they don't see her.
I don't suggest that she, or any woman, should have to put up with unwanted advances or aggressive behavior, or worse, from men. I just don't subscribe to the idea that being convinced she's eventually going to be raped makes all men guilty of causing her to feel that way.

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Nobody's blues are the same, but they're still the blues. That's all.

Thank you. This is all I've been trying to say.

But I ain't complaining I have always had good looking girlfriends, have a hot wife, and banged a lot of tall guys old ladies.

Oh no, it looks like you omitted a punctuation mark.
It should be "banged a lot of tall guys, old ladies." or "banged a lot of tall guys and old ladies."

That wasn't an article. That was one big long question.
54 question marks on the whole page.

Easy Reader: Also published as "A Morning's Stroll In Italy".

Oh so THIS

Backpacked around europe a few times, and had several "Italy girlfriends" - girl backpackers who'd pair up with guys to travel with, because what TFA describes is nothing. That guy "pelvic thrusting" in Chicago? He'd have been rubbing up against you and grabbing a tit in Rome.

Asking lackadaisicalfreakshow: Holy shiatcakes, it's rare to see 200+ comments of so many people JUST NOT GETTING IT.

Your intrusion into my life is not welcome. Keep it to yourself!

You seem perplexed that a large population of emotionally stunted male Farkers would struggle with empathy for this lady blogger.

The an article written by a provocateur feminist, a staple article full of truths from both side to get debating juices flow.

Just curious, has she ever picked up a tab on a first date with a guy?

/Sexist cultural assumptions, you starting pulling the thread on them and pretty soon you have four fingers pointing back at you.

someonelse: THE GREAT NAME: FEMALE LIFE PLAN:
0-15 force men to give you attention by getting in their faces
15-30 complain about too much attention from men
30-100 force men to give you attention by getting in their faces

^^^^
This, by the way, is what actual misogyny looks like.

Two replies! Are you under-age or over the hill?

Problem solved?

WhippingBoy: quickdraw: WhippingBoy: I'm defending "men" in general.

Why?

Why? I dunno... because there just might be some men out there who are decent human beings?

Was there one named in the article?

All property is theft, all sex is rape, all commerce is oppression. And other overwrought and painstakingly delineated college theses that stack up to f*ck all in the real world. Did we really come up with brave and empowering new world when we decided that being ladies and gentlemen was "old hat". That old hat was a pretty useful ledge in our climb out of the social primordial goo, y'all. And so far, we haven't exactly been farting rainbows on each other by declaring it irrelevant.

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Frederick: So being really attractive is a two sided coin, eh?  Who woulda thought.

Of course on the other side of the coin is; greater salaries,  undeserved promotions, more lenient sentences, ugh, lets stop the list there.....

I wonder why your article didnt mention how your husband deals with your attractiveness?

Fark you. Attractive women are not the only women who deal with farkupitude from guys. I got the same crap this woman got, either of the same type, or worse, the same experience not tempered by a pretty face. If you're female, you're fair game, out there in the world of assholes.

And her husband? Really?

Go EABOD.

I expect to hear from some pretty defensive guys, but I wasn't expecting it right from the beginning.

/Now let's see if I managed to avoid filter pwnage.