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2013-01-19 10:09:45 AM

quickdraw: WhippingBoy: I'm defending "men" in general.

Why?


Why? I dunno... because there just might be some men out there who are decent human beings?
 
2013-01-19 10:10:12 AM

Parmenius: I wonder how many people in this thread would have the courage to make their comments in person.  I wonder whether they actually conduct themselves in this barbaric way, or if it's just the Internet Misogyny Brigade.

I have  never treated women -or anyone else- as depicted in tfa, but I've certainly had to deal with the effects  of their foolishness.   And, with rare exceptions, if someone is behaving with all the civility of a gutter snipe it is a man doing it.  I really dislike having to prove that those jackasses don't represent my gender, and threads like this do not help.


You've never worked in all-female offices as the lone man, have you ;) (anyway, I still see what you're saying.)
 
2013-01-19 10:10:13 AM
You mean... we live in a society that objectifies women?

Look at the magazines that cater to men, and women. What do you see?

Women being chastised for being too big or too bony.... too tall or too short... not curvy or too curvy... too independent or too devoted... dressed well enough dressed 'too' well... not sexy enough or too sexy etc. And that's the publications that are targeted AT WOMEN. And the best part... if you don't 'love yourself', that's your own fault.

Men's magazines? Here's some cool shiat, some interesting shiat, and some sexy women.

And a csb moment... friend of the gf reads Men's Health rather than the women-oriented alternative. The articles are less banal, and the recipes are easier to make into reality.
 
2013-01-19 10:10:51 AM

Honest Bender: Don't worry. Some day you'll hit that right age where you become invisible to men. Then it's fun to watch women freak out that they can't get attention anymore.


This is about the time they get implants and start banging their personal trainer.

/seen it happen
 
2013-01-19 10:10:54 AM

shastacola: Which has what to do with strangers making sexually suggestive comments to women? Is your argument that some women can be mean to each other so women deserve to have their vaginas,asses,legs,breasts,etc. publicly and loudly judged?


It has the same thing to do with me walking into a bar and having someone judge me on my ability to fight, or starting a fight with me because they don't like my clothing. I hate that, but it's going to happen. And there are always women who love to see violent men.

People compete sexually, women and men alike. Call them jerks, move on, and find people who share your values.
 
2013-01-19 10:11:25 AM

ElectricPeterTork: Howie Spankowitz: Wow.  Been a Farker for a long time.  Seldom see such near universal mouth-breathing, male douchebaggery so early and often in a thread.  TFA's author was completely reasonable and 90% of the comments from you assclowns is "hurrr get me a sammich durr be glad dudes are even looking at you hurrr she needs to get laid."

So glad I don't have a daughter.

The article lost me with the "Jailbreak the Patriarchy" app.


If you allow something trivial like that to cause you to dismiss a well-articulated and reasonable argument, then you're probably someone who wouldn't understand her point to begin with.
 
2013-01-19 10:11:52 AM

ElectricPeterTork: And if he did, how many months of "ZOMG YOU'RE CHEATING ON ME WITH A PRETTIER WOMAN" insecurity drama would he have to endure for mentioning someone made unwanted remarks to him?


lol - none. We're adults.
 
2013-01-19 10:12:47 AM

SnarfVader: WhippingBoy: Smock Pot: I don't know why women keep trying to tell men what it's like, because men are never going to get it. Ever. No matter what a woman says about this, no matter how many analogies she makes, no matter how she says it, men will respond with... pretty much everything in this thread. They will continue to act like untrained dogs around women they want to fark and shiat all over women they deem too old or too ugly to fark.

Yep, this is true.

No, it's bullshiat. Not all men are like that, especially not the ones like me who have daughters they want to see succeed. Quit lumping us all together.


Favorited, just because you sound like an awesome dad.
 
2013-01-19 10:13:01 AM
Your blog REALLY sucks
 
2013-01-19 10:13:29 AM

someonelse: Howie Spankowitz: Wow.  Been a Farker for a long time.  Seldom see such near universal mouth-breathing, male douchebaggery so early and often in a thread.  TFA's author was completely reasonable and 90% of the comments from you assclowns is "hurrr get me a sammich durr be glad dudes are even looking at you hurrr she needs to get laid."

So glad I don't have a daughter.

It's the main page, it's the weekend, and it's gender-related. That's like a perfect storm of moronic HERP and misogynist DERP.


True. Don't even know why I waded in here.  Bored this morning.
 
2013-01-19 10:13:33 AM
Wow. There's a lot of biatches in here that must have had an especially long walk of shame this morning.
 
2013-01-19 10:14:07 AM

TiiiMMMaHHH: someonelse: TiiiMMMaHHH: someonelse: letrole: Sexual harrassment is the wrong man noticing your tits.

You can't troll a thread where the most blatantly ignorant opinions are already being expressed in earnest, dude. You can't make a sh*thouse smell worse.

I'm in a commited relationship with a woman 8 years older than me. He's not trolling, it's true. She's old enough that she fears not being attractive on a regular basis. She's real enough that she'll flat out admit that she doesn't want gross dudes oggling her. If an attractive man checks her out or compliments her, it makes her feel great because it means (on a genetic level at least) that she's viable. Basic programming at it's finest.

His/her name is The Troll, and he is always and forever trolling. You know this, or ought to.

Nothing in your second paragraph is particularly relevant. Your girlfriend likes being complimented, therefore what? What basic logic are you using?

That an HONEST woman will tell you: When ugly guys hit on me, I wince. When cute guys hit on me, I think for a second "I'd hit it. He has good genes". WOMEN LIE ABOUT THIS FACTOR ALL THE TIME.

Difference usually being; a mature woman values her partner more than her orgasms.


ALL CAPS DOES NOT MAKE YOUR GIRLFRIEND'S ANECDOTES ANY MORE IMPORTANT OR REVEALING.

I am sorry about her orgasms, though.
 
2013-01-19 10:14:58 AM

WhippingBoy: quickdraw: WhippingBoy: I'm defending "men" in general.

Why?

Why? I dunno... because there just might be some men out there who are decent human beings?


Nowhere in that article does it imply there are no good men. FFS just because a women says lots of men act like assholes doesnt mean all men do. If I said the Olive Garden sucks would you feel the need to defend all Italian restaurants?
 
2013-01-19 10:15:05 AM

Elegy: SnarfVader: WhippingBoy: Smock Pot: I don't know why women keep trying to tell men what it's like, because men are never going to get it. Ever. No matter what a woman says about this, no matter how many analogies she makes, no matter how she says it, men will respond with... pretty much everything in this thread. They will continue to act like untrained dogs around women they want to fark and shiat all over women they deem too old or too ugly to fark.

Yep, this is true.

No, it's bullshiat. Not all men are like that, especially not the ones like me who have daughters they want to see succeed. Quit lumping us all together.

There are two options here:

Women and men together deem that not all men are aholes, and not all women are attention grabbing whores, and that there is some truth in the complaints on both sides

OR

We get really angry and demonize everyone on the other side.

I bet I know which one fark is going to go with this morning, how about you?


Good point. I've already been called bigoted in this thread (by another guy) for asking that male bashing end too. We men are all stupid neanderthals according to the advertising media.
 
2013-01-19 10:15:17 AM

Howie Spankowitz: ElectricPeterTork: Howie Spankowitz: Wow.  Been a Farker for a long time.  Seldom see such near universal mouth-breathing, male douchebaggery so early and often in a thread.  TFA's author was completely reasonable and 90% of the comments from you assclowns is "hurrr get me a sammich durr be glad dudes are even looking at you hurrr she needs to get laid."

So glad I don't have a daughter.

The article lost me with the "Jailbreak the Patriarchy" app.

If you allow something trivial like that to cause you to dismiss a well-articulated and reasonable argument, then you're probably someone who wouldn't understand her point to begin with.


No, it makes me think "Hm... she has an agenda she's pushing, and pushing hard", and I tend to doubt anything written after discovering the author is, basically, a shill.

It's like if someone had written what seems like a fairly intelligent article about the 2012 election, and cited the eye-opening polling information they read at Unskewed Polls.
 
2013-01-19 10:15:19 AM
thefamily.com
 
2013-01-19 10:15:50 AM

Howie Spankowitz: I know...right?!  Women...just shut up and let it happen.  Men will never learn, so don't even try.  WhippingBoy has spoken.


You're missing the point. And your painting with a very broad brush.
 
2013-01-19 10:16:12 AM
My perspective changed when I had a daughter. For the first time ever I saw the world from the eyes of a girl. And the view was not pretty. Now I fully support my wife's insistence on single sex education. Boys are animals and belong in cages.
 
2013-01-19 10:16:22 AM

Onkel Buck: [i379.photobucket.com image 500x375]

this is why men dont respect you

/not saying its right,


Rihanna's a known size (and drama) queen, and Chris Brown has (photographic proof of) the size.
 
2013-01-19 10:17:09 AM

WhippingBoy: Howie Spankowitz: I know...right?!  Women...just shut up and let it happen.  Men will never learn, so don't even try.  WhippingBoy has spoken.

You're missing the point. And your painting with a very broad brush.


SEXIST! MISOGYNISTIC!
 
2013-01-19 10:17:12 AM
I want to hear about the "almost rape" on Barcelona. Did a foreigner make eye contact? Smile at her? Buy her a drink? Poor, poor attractive lady.
 
2013-01-19 10:17:18 AM

quickdraw: WhippingBoy: quickdraw: WhippingBoy: I'm defending "men" in general.

Why?

Why? I dunno... because there just might be some men out there who are decent human beings?

Nowhere in that article does it imply there are no good men. FFS just because a women says lots of men act like assholes doesnt mean all men do. If I said the Olive Garden sucks would you feel the need to defend all Italian restaurants?


Yes, exactly, that's entirely my point. I'm not sure what we're arguing about.
 
2013-01-19 10:18:07 AM

TiiiMMMaHHH: jimmajim: So the consensus in this thread is that the guys described in TFA did nothing wrong? There's no point in criticizing their behavior, boys will be boys, right? wink wink nudge nudge.

Actually, it's a sign of a much larger social problem. Susan Faludi describes it well in her book "backlash". Basically, when boys don't have men in their lives, and their mothers are checked out (usually fallout from a bad marriage) they turn to a peer-based family. When immature, stupid boys get together, they do ALL kinds of crazy shiat to get laughs and prove alpha status in the pack. It's like that joke about the one white boy with a group of blacks. You KNOW he did something crazy to earn their respect.

I'm not justifying poor behavior, just pointing out that it's not going anywhere. We would need to stabilize families, and their incomes. THEN we'd need a generation, or two, or three of that stability to remove the stink from the genes and family tree.

Considering our politicians actively legislate AGAINST an entire society of strong nuclear families, this will never happen. We need to put a 20%+ tariff on all imports, open our textile mills again, create even more blue collar jobs on top of that. THEN we can start the 3 generation plus process of reteaching our children how to be morally strong, ethically brave. Instead, our 'leaders' are cutting budgets to social services, convincing children that bad people are everywhere, and the only way to stop them is to take away our society's access to firearms.

SIMPLY PUT: broken, impovershed families are great breeding grounds for future consumers, soldiers and derps. And we need those stupid women just as much as those stupid men. How else are we going to keep america stocked with fodder for it's armies and advertisements?

/Rant
//29 yr old man, sick of the shiat.


I know it makes me a douche, but this comment needs to be brought out from underneath all the derp it's buried under. America has many problems, and they all trace back to one common thread: The destruction of the nuclear family. If that common thread doesn't bother you, than how do you have the right to complain about the subsequent fallout?? If we all play armchair Dr. Phil, but the end result is a bunch of mutual masturbation on a fark thread, then what's the point? Tomorrow is going to look a lot like today at this rate..

/soapbox away, continue on with your oh so clever humor that has NEVER been used before.
 
2013-01-19 10:18:54 AM

WhippingBoy: quickdraw: WhippingBoy: quickdraw: WhippingBoy: I'm defending "men" in general.

Why?

Why? I dunno... because there just might be some men out there who are decent human beings?

Nowhere in that article does it imply there are no good men. FFS just because a women says lots of men act like assholes doesnt mean all men do. If I said the Olive Garden sucks would you feel the need to defend all Italian restaurants?

Yes, exactly, that's entirely my point. I'm not sure what we're arguing about.


So you sympathize with the author?
 
2013-01-19 10:20:25 AM

Howie Spankowitz: Wow.  Been a Farker for a long time.  Seldom see such near universal mouth-breathing, male douchebaggery so early and often in a thread.  TFA's author was completely reasonable and 90% of the comments from you assclowns is "hurrr get me a sammich durr be glad dudes are even looking at you hurrr she needs to get laid."

So glad I don't have a daughter.


I read the article expecting to roll my eyes, but found it to be reasonable. The comments in TFA were also reasonable and not too "you go girl!!", then I clicked on these comments and wondered why I come to Fark (Is it always like this? did I miss that?)
Glad to see your comment.

/last time I was "cat-called" was NYE and a guy in his 20s said to me as I walked past "You look very nice tonight." Now that's a compliment!
 
2013-01-19 10:22:20 AM
Reminds me of the article about an attractive woman who, because of her looks, deserved a rich man and an apartment with views of Central Park.

It was one of those advice columns or something like that. Anyhow, a stock broker responded with calling her a depreciating asset.

He described this depreciating asset as one that will never get better with age and brings nothing else but looks and high maintenance costs to the investment. There are no long term gains and the investment loses in the long (or maybe short) term.

I think this woman would complain if we lived in a country that required burqas. Hey, maybe that should be her solution (of course not forced, like in other countries). Dress up in a black burqa. She wouldn't have those comments about her.
 
2013-01-19 10:22:24 AM

quickdraw: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Men are graded on their height. Women can control all of the above. Men can not control their height.

So your point is that you are judged on one physical attribute and women are judged on dozens of them - some of which they can control? And your using that to show how mens lives are just the same as womens?


Women can control those 'dozens of things'. Men cannot. Bottom line. Women have it easier than men when it comes to using the softer skills to get what they want. Also bottom line.

Shorter men are screwed in ways the 'nice guys' look at, shake their heads and sigh saying 'there but for the grace of God..' You're right that no, men's lives and women's lives are not the same. But it's not like men don't face their own kinds of harassments, rejections, and attempts by others to overpower them on the daily. Shorter men are going to experience it more than taller men. And, unlike women, they have no social outlets and no social sympathy for fighting against it. Shrug.
 
2013-01-19 10:22:57 AM

cabbyman: [thefamily.com image 360x190]


or this

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-19 10:23:31 AM

WhippingBoy: Howie Spankowitz: I know...right?!  Women...just shut up and let it happen.  Men will never learn, so don't even try.  WhippingBoy has spoken.

You're missing the point. And your painting with a very broad brush.


I don't think I'm doing either.  I think it was pretty clear you were making the argument that this behavior is inevitable so women should just stop complaining about it.  Please disabuse me of this if you can.  Perhaps I missed some of your posts where you clarified it.

ElectricPeterTork: Howie Spankowitz: ElectricPeterTork: Howie Spankowitz: Wow.  Been a Farker for a long time.  Seldom see such near universal mouth-breathing, male douchebaggery so early and often in a thread.  TFA's author was completely reasonable and 90% of the comments from you assclowns is "hurrr get me a sammich durr be glad dudes are even looking at you hurrr she needs to get laid."

So glad I don't have a daughter.

The article lost me with the "Jailbreak the Patriarchy" app.

If you allow something trivial like that to cause you to dismiss a well-articulated and reasonable argument, then you're probably someone who wouldn't understand her point to begin with.

No, it makes me think "Hm... she has an agenda she's pushing, and pushing hard", and I tend to doubt anything written after discovering the author is, basically, a shill.

It's like if someone had written what seems like a fairly intelligent article about the 2012 election, and cited the eye-opening polling information they read at Unskewed Polls.


That analogy makes no sense at all.  You should feel bad for making it.  And of course she has an agenda.  She wrote an opinion piece, implying that she has a strong point of view on a subject matter.  Neither promoting the app nor having an agenda make her point invalid.
 
2013-01-19 10:25:11 AM

quickdraw: WhippingBoy: quickdraw: WhippingBoy: quickdraw: WhippingBoy: I'm defending "men" in general.

Why?

Why? I dunno... because there just might be some men out there who are decent human beings?

Nowhere in that article does it imply there are no good men. FFS just because a women says lots of men act like assholes doesnt mean all men do. If I said the Olive Garden sucks would you feel the need to defend all Italian restaurants?

Yes, exactly, that's entirely my point. I'm not sure what we're arguing about.

So you sympathize with the author?


I think she's overly dramatic, self-centred, narcissistic, and pushing an agenda, but yes, I do sympathize with her.
What I have a problem with is the use of the all-encompassing word "men", as if all men participated and/or condoned in such behaviour. If I met a woman (or women) who exhibited stereotypical "biatchy" behaviour, would it be fair of me to say that "women are biatches"? Of course not.
 
2013-01-19 10:26:36 AM

SnarfVader: WhippingBoy: Smock Pot: I don't know why women keep trying to tell men what it's like, because men are never going to get it. Ever. No matter what a woman says about this, no matter how many analogies she makes, no matter how she says it, men will respond with... pretty much everything in this thread. They will continue to act like untrained dogs around women they want to fark and shiat all over women they deem too old or too ugly to fark.

Yep, this is true.

No, it's bullshiat. Not all men are like that, especially not the ones like me who have daughters they want to see succeed. Quit lumping us all together.


If you aren't like the men described in the article, great. Be an example and stand up for women when you see this shiat.

Just understand that as a man, you're still never gonna get it.
 
2013-01-19 10:26:39 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: quickdraw: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Men are graded on their height. Women can control all of the above. Men can not control their height.

So your point is that you are judged on one physical attribute and women are judged on dozens of them - some of which they can control? And your using that to show how mens lives are just the same as womens?

Women can control those 'dozens of things'. Men cannot. Bottom line. Women have it easier than men when it comes to using the softer skills to get what they want. Also bottom line.

Shorter men are screwed in ways the 'nice guys' look at, shake their heads and sigh saying 'there but for the grace of God..' You're right that no, men's lives and women's lives are not the same. But it's not like men don't face their own kinds of harassments, rejections, and attempts by others to overpower them on the daily. Shorter men are going to experience it more than taller men. And, unlike women, they have no social outlets and no social sympathy for fighting against it. Shrug.


I get it yes - it sucks to be a short guy. What does that have to do with never feeling safe when you leave the house just because of your gender? Do people openly mock you for your height as an adult? Do they yell about how youre the perfect height to suck their dick? Because those are the things that happen to short women.
 
2013-01-19 10:26:44 AM
Maybe the first time someone comments on your ass in public you'll take it as a compliment, but what about the next 12 times?

I'd become confident that I had a nice ass and the more women compliment it, the more I'll feel like I'm doing a good job of maintaining it.
 
2013-01-19 10:28:01 AM

TiiiMMMaHHH: someonelse: TiiiMMMaHHH: someonelse: letrole: Sexual harrassment is the wrong man noticing your tits.

You can't troll a thread where the most blatantly ignorant opinions are already being expressed in earnest, dude. You can't make a sh*thouse smell worse.

I'm in a commited relationship with a woman 8 years older than me. He's not trolling, it's true. She's old enough that she fears not being attractive on a regular basis. She's real enough that she'll flat out admit that she doesn't want gross dudes oggling her. If an attractive man checks her out or compliments her, it makes her feel great because it means (on a genetic level at least) that she's viable. Basic programming at it's finest.

His/her name is The Troll, and he is always and forever trolling. You know this, or ought to.

Nothing in your second paragraph is particularly relevant. Your girlfriend likes being complimented, therefore what? What basic logic are you using?

That an HONEST woman will tell you: When ugly guys hit on me, I wince. When cute guys hit on me, I think for a second "I'd hit it. He has good genes". WOMEN LIE ABOUT THIS FACTOR ALL THE TIME.

Difference usually being; a mature woman values her partner more than her orgasms.


And the other side of that difference being, the mature man values his orgasms more than his partner? Is that where all the 'I love my wife but she won't fk me anymore so I'll get some on the side and it'll be cool because I gotta nut but that doesn't mean I don't love my wife when I nut in some other broad' stuff comes from?
 
2013-01-19 10:28:06 AM

Bedstead Polisher: Howie Spankowitz: Wow.  Been a Farker for a long time.  Seldom see such near universal mouth-breathing, male douchebaggery so early and often in a thread.  TFA's author was completely reasonable and 90% of the comments from you assclowns is "hurrr get me a sammich durr be glad dudes are even looking at you hurrr she needs to get laid."

So glad I don't have a daughter.

I read the article expecting to roll my eyes, but found it to be reasonable. The comments in TFA were also reasonable and not too "you go girl!!", then I clicked on these comments and wondered why I come to Fark (Is it always like this? did I miss that?)
Glad to see your comment.

/last time I was "cat-called" was NYE and a guy in his 20s said to me as I walked past "You look very nice tonight." Now that's a compliment!


It used to be referred to as "gentlemanly behavior."  I have never seen a woman react negatively to a nice, appropriate comment offered in a non-threatening manner, without hip thrusts, catcalls, unwanted touching or following.  But the consensus in this thread from my enlightened brethren is that you should just be happy that you are receiving any attention at all, given that, you know, someday your boobs might sag and all.
 
2013-01-19 10:28:38 AM
I'm guessing another fattie, crying on the interweb.

/dnrta
 
2013-01-19 10:28:53 AM

WhippingBoy: quickdraw: WhippingBoy: quickdraw: WhippingBoy: quickdraw: WhippingBoy: I'm defending "men" in general.

Why?

Why? I dunno... because there just might be some men out there who are decent human beings?

Nowhere in that article does it imply there are no good men. FFS just because a women says lots of men act like assholes doesnt mean all men do. If I said the Olive Garden sucks would you feel the need to defend all Italian restaurants?

Yes, exactly, that's entirely my point. I'm not sure what we're arguing about.

So you sympathize with the author?

I think she's overly dramatic, self-centred, narcissistic, and pushing an agenda, but yes, I do sympathize with her.
What I have a problem with is the use of the all-encompassing word "men", as if all men participated and/or condoned in such behaviour. If I met a woman (or women) who exhibited stereotypical "biatchy" behaviour, would it be fair of me to say that "women are biatches"? Of course not.


No, using one woman's behavior to paint the entirety of womanhood as biatchy is bad, wrong, evil, and MISOGYNY!

But using one man's behavior to paint all men as evil rapists, well, hey, they're just men. They deserve it.
 
2013-01-19 10:29:02 AM

phillyguy1547: To the author:

I'm a dude. I'm a 5'10" 190 lb dude. I still sometimes walk to the other side of the street if someone who looks like bad news is coming toward me. I'd still get a cab rather than stand at a bus stop with someone who gives me the creeps. It's called common sense.

Quit assuming that you're unfairly forced to have some common sense because you're pretty and a girl.

As to the rude comments. Words only have power if you let them. Ignore them.

Keep doing what you're doing - i.e. taking the smart steps to keep your self safe.... but just lose the "poor pretty me" attitude about doing it.


Thank you for being the first. This behaviour can happen at any time, any where, to any one. Be aware of your surroundings at all times. It can save your life.
 
2013-01-19 10:29:04 AM
I just wonder, who is the target audience for this article?

I'm pretty sure it's not men who creep on women.
 
2013-01-19 10:29:10 AM

WhippingBoy: quickdraw: WhippingBoy: quickdraw: WhippingBoy: quickdraw: WhippingBoy: I'm defending "men" in general.

Why?

Why? I dunno... because there just might be some men out there who are decent human beings?

Nowhere in that article does it imply there are no good men. FFS just because a women says lots of men act like assholes doesnt mean all men do. If I said the Olive Garden sucks would you feel the need to defend all Italian restaurants?

Yes, exactly, that's entirely my point. I'm not sure what we're arguing about.

So you sympathize with the author?

I think she's overly dramatic, self-centred, narcissistic, and pushing an agenda, but yes, I do sympathize with her.
What I have a problem with is the use of the all-encompassing word "men", as if all men participated and/or condoned in such behaviour. If I met a woman (or women) who exhibited stereotypical "biatchy" behaviour, would it be fair of me to say that "women are biatches"? Of course not.


No one is saying all men are assholes. No one.

/cripes. white guys sure know how to nurse a persecution complex
 
2013-01-19 10:29:46 AM
Men will not make cat calls at women if they perceive they will be shot-down. Men will indeed make cat calls if they think they have a chance of some sort. This is why slutty-hot girls at bars get many drinks for free, but women with poise and natural beauty get passed up as "fridgid biatches".

The apparent-ease-of-farking factor is what mostly decides who gets cat-called.
 
2013-01-19 10:29:53 AM
Seriously though, yoga pants.
 
2013-01-19 10:30:31 AM

Smock Pot: If you aren't like the men described in the article, great. Be an example and stand up for women when you see this shiat.


Why did you feel the need to tell him this? He's already proved that he'll "stand up for women" if the situation warrants.
 
2013-01-19 10:31:07 AM

breadprincess: If you don't want attention, wear sweatpants without "juicy" printed on the back. Or mom jeans. I have years of experience in looking unattractive.

I wish this were a valid strategy, but creepers gon' creep regardless of clothing. I cannot tell you how many times I have gone out looking like absolute death in sweatpants, sweatshirt, hair in a pony tail, no makeup, visibly ill etc. and have been harassed by dbags, and I can't think of a single female friend who hasn't also experienced this. It's definitely befuddling because common sense would dictate that looking as if you just rolled out of bed with the plague would deter creeps but no, for some reason it doesn't.

/I'm not some great beauty either, I'm a solid 4 on a good day with effort put in
//also, once you pass a certain cup size, no matter how covered up you are, creeps will still take notice


Yeah, but if you go too far into decrepit...men might think you'll do anything for meth/crack money.
 
2013-01-19 10:31:21 AM

quickdraw: ExperianScaresCthulhu: quickdraw: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Men are graded on their height. Women can control all of the above. Men can not control their height.

So your point is that you are judged on one physical attribute and women are judged on dozens of them - some of which they can control? And your using that to show how mens lives are just the same as womens?

Women can control those 'dozens of things'. Men cannot. Bottom line. Women have it easier than men when it comes to using the softer skills to get what they want. Also bottom line.

Shorter men are screwed in ways the 'nice guys' look at, shake their heads and sigh saying 'there but for the grace of God..' You're right that no, men's lives and women's lives are not the same. But it's not like men don't face their own kinds of harassments, rejections, and attempts by others to overpower them on the daily. Shorter men are going to experience it more than taller men. And, unlike women, they have no social outlets and no social sympathy for fighting against it. Shrug.

I get it yes - it sucks to be a short guy. What does that have to do with never feeling safe when you leave the house just because of your gender? Do people openly mock you for your height as an adult? Do they yell about how youre the perfect height to suck their dick? Because those are the things that happen to short women.


I am a short guy, and I held the door open for a shorter girl in a bar and she said loudly "sorry honey you have to be a least six feet to ride this"

A woman at my office constantly comments on my package "you must have steel belted underwear to hold that thing in check"

Also big guys with inferiority complexes tend to bump into you, call your shorty, buddy, big guy chief, and condescend.

But I ain't complaining I have always had good looking girlfriends, have a hot wife, and banged a lot of tall guys old ladies.
 
2013-01-19 10:31:29 AM

StoPPeRmobile: I'm guessing another fattie, crying on the interweb.

/dnrta


And that's exactly what it is, as far as you know.

Those last five words can be safely applied to almost any uninformed claim you care to make, by the way. So have at it.
 
2013-01-19 10:32:05 AM

Smock Pot: SnarfVader: WhippingBoy: Smock Pot: I don't know why women keep trying to tell men what it's like, because men are never going to get it. Ever. No matter what a woman says about this, no matter how many analogies she makes, no matter how she says it, men will respond with... pretty much everything in this thread. They will continue to act like untrained dogs around women they want to fark and shiat all over women they deem too old or too ugly to fark.

Yep, this is true.

No, it's bullshiat. Not all men are like that, especially not the ones like me who have daughters they want to see succeed. Quit lumping us all together.

If you aren't like the men described in the article, great. Be an example and stand up for women when you see this shiat.

Just understand that as a man, you're still never gonna get it.


I *never* see men act like this, which is why I think the article is bullshiat.
 
2013-01-19 10:32:10 AM

WhippingBoy: Smock Pot: If you aren't like the men described in the article, great. Be an example and stand up for women when you see this shiat.

Why did you feel the need to tell him this? He's already proved that he'll "stand up for women" if the situation warrants.


Late to thread, just coming off a graveyard shift, sick with a cold - take your pick.
 
2013-01-19 10:32:14 AM

quickdraw: Bored Horde: WhippingBoy: Lehk: WhippingBoy: 1. There's a subtle suggestion that this type of harassment and/or unwanted attention NEVER happens to men

no, the suggestion is that women have to deal with that shiat every DAY and men might deal with it a couple times a year.

I'm not suggesting what you said isn't true, but how do you know that? I mean really know that?

I have no idea what it's like to be a woman; why do women always seem to "know" how wonderful it is to be a man?

Why are people so continually surprised by research that was done decades ago that has been a media staple since?

I know right? This is freshman media studies/sociology/psych level stuff. There are entire bookshelves devoted to the subject matter in any college library and any decent bookstore. Studies going back to the 70s ffs.


it sure is a good thing nothing has changed since the seventies right?
 
2013-01-19 10:32:26 AM

KiwDaWabbit: I just wonder, who is the target audience for this article?

I'm pretty sure it's not men who creep on women.


Yes. She says that in the article. So she is most likely trying to reach those people who dont think they condone this behavior but who enable it by pretending it doesnt exist.

Plenty of examples of which apparently read fark on Saturday morning.
 
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