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(KNBC 4 Los Angeles)   Because all crime has been wiped out in Venice, LAPD motorcycle cop takes to blocking, harassing bicyclists. Fark: you'd think the LAPD would wise up to these camcorder things already   (nbclosangeles.com) divider line 235
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2013-01-19 03:47:02 PM  

fredklein: CasperImproved: We have absolutely no idea why the cop was parked where he was. For all we know, he may have spotted a drug sale or mugging and was dealing with that.

Um, he obviously wasn't dealing with "a drug sale or mugging", because he was writing the cyclist a ticket.


Well if that cyclist didn't say anything the cop wouldn't have been forced to write him a ticket and he would have been able to stop that mugger.
 
2013-01-19 03:53:14 PM  

fredklein: CasperImproved: We have absolutely no idea why the cop was parked where he was. For all we know, he may have spotted a drug sale or mugging and was dealing with that.

Um, he obviously wasn't dealing with "a drug sale or mugging", because he was writing the cyclist a ticket.


Exactly, he's an absentminded cop parking his big motorcycle in a crowded bike lane as part of a ticket patrol. Chris' suggestion that he move was actually good advice, but Officer Gracey chose to interpret it differently.
 
2013-01-19 03:53:52 PM  

TheLopper: Here's a story where the cop admits to being a power hungry dickhead, and fark is still going after the civilian for being on a bike. With one doosh even citing some completely non-related incident involving a copmletely different cyclist.

Way to be, intertubes.




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2013-01-19 03:58:38 PM  

Slappajo: Maybe I missed part of the article, but how do you know he was blocking the trail for no reason?


Because if he was blocking it for a reason, he would have been taking care of that, rather than ticketing the cyclist.
 
2013-01-19 04:39:17 PM  

CaptainFatass: Carth: Ilmarinen: abhorrent1: Bicyclists are assholes and should be ticketed.

RectalFury: Let's send a memo, all gun owners who wish to participate are allowed to "practice" on all these bike assholes

skinink: I hate this story because it makes me defend the bicyclist. I feel dirty over it.

MFAWG: Didn't click on the link, because I was 100 pct sure this was another asshole bicyclist being and asshole.

Milos Hattrick: [cyclebicycle.files.wordpress.com image 584x285]

Stay fat, America.

Also, a speed limit for cyclists, seriously??

It looks like a mixed use path. If that is the case you need a speed limit to stop cyclists from going 20-30 mph and running over little old ladies walking their dog.

Definitely not a mixed-use path. Venice has a walkway for pedestrians and a bike path. Both are marked very clearly, and there's about 20 feet of grass separating them. The only time pedestrians are on the bike path is when they're crossing to get to the beach.

It's funny, I regularly see cyclists on the walkway, which is a big pain in the ass because the walkway tends to get pretty crowded, but I've never seen any of them stopped by a cop.


Ah i didn't know that. Yea if it is bikes only a low speed limit is really pointless.
 
2013-01-19 04:44:40 PM  

liam76: Scumbag cops like your self


Our conversation is over. I don't debate with children.
 
2013-01-19 04:48:31 PM  

CruiserTwelve: liam76: Scumbag cops like your self

Our conversation is over. I don't debate with children.


...or with people who point out flaws in your argument, either, I guess.
 
2013-01-19 04:50:48 PM  

CruiserTwelve: liam76: Scumbag cops like your self

Our conversation is over. I don't debate with children.


You just slap the cuffs on them.
 
2013-01-19 04:54:51 PM  

CruiserTwelve: liam76: Scumbag cops like your self

Our conversation is over. I don't debate with children.


Hey cop, how did you become the douchebag you are to be a proud cop. Serious question. Is there a douche school you attend?
 
2013-01-19 04:55:48 PM  
I'm betting it's San Jose state university.
 
2013-01-19 04:57:05 PM  

radiumsoup: I understand your point of view, but I think it's a bit of cognitive dissonance. Let me be specific here in the explanation so you don't think I'm irrationally attacking you.

The ticket was dropped after review. Therefore, we can infer that the ticket was improper. If the ticket was improper, and the officer admitted on camera that the reason for the ticket was improper, how can you then say that the bicyclist's rights were not violated?


Here's my point. Say I stop you for speeding. I used a laser and got a good, valid measurement of your speed at 72 mph in a 55 mph zone. I clearly have probable cause to issue a summons. When I contact you, you tell me your mother is sick and just called you and you're in a hurry to get to her house to assist her. I use my judgement and decide not to write you a ticket.

Now, scenario two: I'm an asshole cop and I see as you go by that you're a member of a minority group that I don't like. I stop you and fabricate a reason just so I can check you for warrants and such. You argue with me so I decide to write you a ticket for the fabricated reason.

Third scenario: I stop you for the aforementioned 72 in a 55 and have good probable cause to issue a ticket, but I'm not in the mood to write tickets tonight so I decide I'm just gonna give you a warning and you're on your way. As I start describing the violation to you, you start arguing and giving me a general bad time. I decide to write you.

In the first scenario, I used my judgement and didn't write you a ticket. Good stop, good judgement, no issue. Scenario two, bad cop, should be sanctioned, probably terminated. Third cop, not something I would do but still okay in a legal and even ethical sense.

I'm seeing the cop in this incident as being scenario number 3. However, the more I look at it, the more I'm thinking scenario two. If he's a scenario two guy, then he deserves whatever penalty the chief decides.
 
2013-01-19 05:04:04 PM  

CruiserTwelve: radiumsoup: I understand your point of view, but I think it's a bit of cognitive dissonance. Let me be specific here in the explanation so you don't think I'm irrationally attacking you.

The ticket was dropped after review. Therefore, we can infer that the ticket was improper. If the ticket was improper, and the officer admitted on camera that the reason for the ticket was improper, how can you then say that the bicyclist's rights were not violated?

Here's my point. Say I stop you for speeding. I used a laser and got a good, valid measurement of your speed at 72 mph in a 55 mph zone. I clearly have probable cause to issue a summons. When I contact you, you tell me your mother is sick and just called you and you're in a hurry to get to her house to assist her. I use my judgement and decide not to write you a ticket.

Now, scenario two: I'm an asshole cop and I see as you go by that you're a member of a minority group that I don't like. I stop you and fabricate a reason just so I can check you for warrants and such. You argue with me so I decide to write you a ticket for the fabricated reason.

Third scenario: I stop you for the aforementioned 72 in a 55 and have good probable cause to issue a ticket, but I'm not in the mood to write tickets tonight so I decide I'm just gonna give you a warning and you're on your way. As I start describing the violation to you, you start arguing and giving me a general bad time. I decide to write you.

In the first scenario, I used my judgement and didn't write you a ticket. Good stop, good judgement, no issue. Scenario two, bad cop, should be sanctioned, probably terminated. Third cop, not something I would do but still okay in a legal and even ethical sense.

I'm seeing the cop in this incident as being scenario number 3. However, the more I look at it, the more I'm thinking scenario two. If he's a scenario two guy, then he deserves whatever penalty the chief decides.


The other option is try to be a decent human being and get out of the business of robbing people of their liberty.
 
2013-01-19 05:10:53 PM  

muck4doo: The other option is try to be a decent human being and get out of the business of robbing people of their liberty.


I'm not saying this from nothing. I used to be a repo guy throughout the Bay Area. San jose, San Francisco, Oakland, Richmond, you name it. I always felt i was doing everyone a favor going after deadbeats. My mother convinced me i had grown a cruel heart when I went repoing in oakland one christmas. I even joked about it. Afterwards i saw the truth and felt like shiat. Being a cop is like that. I'm sure you joined thinking you are protecting the public, but are you really? Tell me how the cop here was doing the right thing?
 
2013-01-19 05:11:51 PM  

CruiserTwelve: liam76: Scumbag cops like your self

Our conversation is over. I don't debate with children.


You think it is no big deal that a cop violated this guys constitutional rights.

That makes you a scumbag in my book.


CruiserTwelve: I'm seeing the cop in this incident as being scenario number 3. However, the more I look at it, the more I'm thinking scenario two. If he's a scenario two guy, then he deserves whatever penalty the chief decides


There is no way it isn't like scenario 2. If it was like scenario 3 he wouldn't have changed what he was writing him a summons for.

"Whatever the chief decides" really isn't a fitting punishment unless includes never being able to be a LEO again. Thinking otherwise makes you a scumbag cop in my book.

Cry some more about me being a child because I think people who violate your constitutional rights shouldn't be police officers, and those cops who think they should are scumbags.
 
2013-01-19 05:12:06 PM  

muck4doo: The other option is try to be a decent human being and get out of the business of robbing people of their liberty.


Are advocating elimination of all law enforcement?
 
2013-01-19 05:15:04 PM  

CruiserTwelve: muck4doo: The other option is try to be a decent human being and get out of the business of robbing people of their liberty.

Are advocating elimination of all law enforcement?


You know that isn't what I am saying. How do you justify this case? Imagine for one minute that this is your mother riding a bike. Are you telling me you would be fine with this?
 
2013-01-19 05:27:49 PM  
The job is Law Enforcement which means to make citizens obey the law by FORCE.

Cops like to use "Protect and Serve" as their motto, but it's just propaganda BS.
 
2013-01-19 05:32:12 PM  

muck4doo: CruiserTwelve: muck4doo: The other option is try to be a decent human being and get out of the business of robbing people of their liberty.

Are advocating elimination of all law enforcement?

You know that isn't what I am saying. How do you justify this case? Imagine for one minute that this is your mother riding a bike. Are you telling me you would be fine with this?


Georgia (the country) fired all of its traffic cops and traffic only got better.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4849472

I don't know if that kind of social experiment would scale up in a comparable fashion here, but it's interesting to think about.
 
2013-01-19 05:34:16 PM  

muck4doo: muck4doo: The other option is try to be a decent human being and get out of the business of robbing people of their liberty.

I'm not saying this from nothing. I used to be a repo guy throughout the Bay Area. San jose, San Francisco, Oakland, Richmond, you name it. I always felt i was doing everyone a favor going after deadbeats. My mother convinced me i had grown a cruel heart when I went repoing in oakland one christmas. I even joked about it. Afterwards i saw the truth and felt like shiat. Being a cop is like that. I'm sure you joined thinking you are protecting the public, but are you really? Tell me how the cop here was doing the right thing?


So what should happen when someone stops paying for their car? If repossession is cruel, what is the alternative?
 
2013-01-19 05:38:21 PM  

redmid17: muck4doo: CruiserTwelve: muck4doo: The other option is try to be a decent human being and get out of the business of robbing people of their liberty.

Are advocating elimination of all law enforcement?

You know that isn't what I am saying. How do you justify this case? Imagine for one minute that this is your mother riding a bike. Are you telling me you would be fine with this?

Georgia (the country) fired all of its traffic cops and traffic only got better.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4849472

I don't know if that kind of social experiment would scale up in a comparable fashion here, but it's interesting to think about.


It's not anything like that. People who can't pay their bills are looked at like scum. I was part of the Repo Scene in the 90's. That is what it is like. It pays the bills, but you also lose something in the process. I may sound funny for naming my mother, but she was right. There is nothing good in making money off the poor. There was nothing right with that at all, and i am ashamed i did.
 
2013-01-19 05:41:45 PM  

muck4doo: redmid17: muck4doo: CruiserTwelve: muck4doo: The other option is try to be a decent human being and get out of the business of robbing people of their liberty.

Are advocating elimination of all law enforcement?

You know that isn't what I am saying. How do you justify this case? Imagine for one minute that this is your mother riding a bike. Are you telling me you would be fine with this?

Georgia (the country) fired all of its traffic cops and traffic only got better.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4849472

I don't know if that kind of social experiment would scale up in a comparable fashion here, but it's interesting to think about.

It's not anything like that. People who can't pay their bills are looked at like scum. I was part of the Repo Scene in the 90's. That is what it is like. It pays the bills, but you also lose something in the process. I may sound funny for naming my mother, but she was right. There is nothing good in making money off the poor. There was nothing right with that at all, and i am ashamed i did.


you're responding to the wrong post, hoss.
 
2013-01-19 05:41:55 PM  

CruiserTwelve: muck4doo: muck4doo: The other option is try to be a decent human being and get out of the business of robbing people of their liberty.

I'm not saying this from nothing. I used to be a repo guy throughout the Bay Area. San jose, San Francisco, Oakland, Richmond, you name it. I always felt i was doing everyone a favor going after deadbeats. My mother convinced me i had grown a cruel heart when I went repoing in oakland one christmas. I even joked about it. Afterwards i saw the truth and felt like shiat. Being a cop is like that. I'm sure you joined thinking you are protecting the public, but are you really? Tell me how the cop here was doing the right thing?

So what should happen when someone stops paying for their car? If repossession is cruel, what is the alternative?


Try looking at each situation individually. That would be my ideal, but, I also realize it isn't realistic. There are good people that struggle. There are bad people trying to get one over. I don't have an answer.
 
2013-01-19 05:43:01 PM  
This cop is a first class troll.

1. Cause people to break the law
2. Ticket people for breaking the law
3. Profit!
 
2013-01-19 05:45:10 PM  

CruiserTwelve: Deathfrogg: It would seem that individuals who receive such assignments are often the people that the superiors want to keep out of the way for a period. The Seattle Detective I know has said this in so many words. The assholes and dumbasses get the shiat assignments and are kept out of the way of doing real police work and often don't get promoted. Of course, this probably only reinforces their behavior by frustrating their own sense of superhero/crimefighter status, but it is their own attitude that gets them into the situation.

A well-run police department bureaucracy understands that a certain percentage of jerks, bullies, liars and sociopaths will get through the training and culling process. The departments that are having discipline issues or a lot of brutality complaints are the ones that have forsaken the culling process in favor of merely keeping the positions filled. Probably because the job is crap and doesn't pay enough.

It's hard to maintain a good attitude when the outside observers nitpick every aspect of ones work. The departments that have the most problems have consciously made the decision to ignore the problems and complaints and go out of their way to protect the jerks instead of getting them off the force. This only serves to reinforce the critics' position.

Police Departments need to do a much better job of weeding out the assholes. It must be much easier to fire a cop for wrongdoing or lazy behavior. Any act of perjury or unnecessary brutality should be ...

I agree with everything you said but I'll add this:  In my experience with three different law enforcement agencies, cops that are bullies rarely last very long. They burn out quickly because they find out police work is generally boring and repetitious, or they get tired of being constantly scrutinized and disciplined for their bad behavior. The problem is that they can create a lot of bad puiblicity in the short period of time that they wear a uniform.

The profession, by its nature ...


did you miss the part where the motorcycle cop parked his motorcycle on the bike path, thereby forcing riders to cross the line?
 
2013-01-19 06:30:17 PM  

CruiserTwelve: Are advocating elimination of all law enforcement?


No, that would be too messy. Just fire them.
 
2013-01-19 08:02:07 PM  

CruiserTwelve: Here's my point. Say I stop you for speeding. I used a laser and got a good, valid measurement of your speed at 72 mph in a 55 mph zone. I clearly have probable cause to issue a summons. When I contact you, you tell me your mother is sick and just called you and you're in a hurry to get to her house to assist her. I use my judgement and decide not to write you a ticket.

Now, scenario two: I'm an asshole cop and I see as you go by that you're a member of a minority group that I don't like. I stop you and fabricate a reason just so I can check you for warrants and such. You argue with me so I decide to write you a ticket for the fabricated reason.

Third scenario: I stop you for the aforementioned 72 in a 55 and have good probable cause to issue a ticket, but I'm not in the mood to write tickets tonight so I decide I'm just gonna give you a warning and you're on your way. As I start describing the violation to you, you start arguing and giving me a general bad time. I decide to write you.

In the first scenario, I used my judgement and didn't write you a ticket. Good stop, good judgement, no issue. Scenario two, bad cop, should be sanctioned, probably terminated. Third cop, not something I would do but still okay in a legal and even ethical sense.

I'm seeing the cop in this incident as being scenario number 3. However, the more I look at it, the more I'm thinking scenario two. If he's a scenario two guy, then he deserves whatever penalty the chief decides.


Thanks for that, that's a reasonable description. (We could argue over the ethics of #3, but that's not going to be a very fun argument to follow.) My point is that the cop isn't the one who dropped the ticket - his superiors did after reviewing it, so it's clearly not a scenario #3 situation anyway.
 
2013-01-19 10:42:36 PM  
FTFA: "The reason why I'm going to write you for unsafe speed is because you are arguing with me,"

Another power drunk jackass
 
2013-01-19 11:32:18 PM  

Tank_Fuzzbutt: macadamnut: Krieghund: Tank_Fuzzbutt: My father was hired by the LAPD in 1949 and retired after 30 years. I think I can hear him spinning in his grave over what the LAPD has become.

I'm sure your dad was a good cop and a good man, but LAPD between 1949 and 1979 was no better than it is today.


What do base that on, good netiquette? His dad sounds like a genuine scumbag to me.

We have become a society where lying is polite and plain-speaking honesty is criminal. The police are creative contributors to society in this, and only this respect.

How can you call someone you have no knowledge of a scumbag? Why don't you save judgment on things you have more experience off? Perhaps video games?


I have anecdotal knowledge that the guy was a Los Angeles cop for thirty years. What possible reason could someone other than a scumbag have for doing that? The reason CruiserTwelve pops into every cops-abusing-real-Americans thread to point out that only a few cops are bullies and those don't last long, is that exactly the reverse is the true.
 
2013-01-19 11:32:59 PM  
the true? Yeah. Good night, suckers.
 
2013-01-20 01:26:39 AM  

CruiserTwelve: If he's a scenario two guy, then he deserves whatever penalty the chief decides

, aka paid administrative leave.

Cop Speak Translator™ activated!
 
2013-01-20 01:26:40 AM  

Mock26: Slappajo: BUT, it wasn't like this bicyclist was protesting a constitutional right or unjust law. He was being a dick by saying something when he went around the cop.

He was, however, exercising a Constitutional right. Whether or not he was a dick is irrelevant.


There's a constitutional right to ride a bicycle in whichever lane you wish to ride in?
 
2013-01-20 10:48:57 AM  

macadamnut: Tank_Fuzzbutt: macadamnut: Krieghund: Tank_Fuzzbutt: My father was hired by the LAPD in 1949 and retired after 30 years. I think I can hear him spinning in his grave over what the LAPD has become.

I'm sure your dad was a good cop and a good man, but LAPD between 1949 and 1979 was no better than it is today.


What do base that on, good netiquette? His dad sounds like a genuine scumbag to me.

We have become a society where lying is polite and plain-speaking honesty is criminal. The police are creative contributors to society in this, and only this respect.

How can you call someone you have no knowledge of a scumbag? Why don't you save judgment on things you have more experience off? Perhaps video games?

I have anecdotal knowledge that the guy was a Los Angeles cop for thirty years. What possible reason could someone other than a scumbag have for doing that? The reason CruiserTwelve pops into every cops-abusing-real-Americans thread to point out that only a few cops are bullies and those don't last long, is that exactly the reverse is the true.


Ah. You must be that small percent of the population that my father would speak of. The 5% that causes 95% of the problems in society through inability to follow laws. I bet your the guy that diddles himself in public.
The reason anyone works for 30 years at a job is to raise a family and retire with a nice pension.
 
2013-01-20 04:05:29 PM  
drtfa

It's not a real pig until a dog gets shot for no reason

/fark pigs
//double fark asshole cyclists
 
2013-01-20 11:03:54 PM  
Next week's news: Chris Jackson of Venice found dead in his apartment after being handcuffed and shot in the back sixteen times. Police rule it a suicide.
 
2013-01-22 01:45:58 AM  

Slappajo: Mock26: Slappajo: BUT, it wasn't like this bicyclist was protesting a constitutional right or unjust law. He was being a dick by saying something when he went around the cop.

He was, however, exercising a Constitutional right. Whether or not he was a dick is irrelevant.

There's a constitutional right to ride a bicycle in whichever lane you wish to ride in?


No, but there is this thing caused the 1st Amendment, and this entire incident (supposedly) started because the guy said something to the cop for blocking the lane with his motorcycle. Claiming he was ticketing him for riding in the wrong lane was just BS, because the cop was blocking the right lane.
 
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