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(KNBC 4 Los Angeles)   Because all crime has been wiped out in Venice, LAPD motorcycle cop takes to blocking, harassing bicyclists. Fark: you'd think the LAPD would wise up to these camcorder things already   (nbclosangeles.com) divider line 235
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2013-01-19 09:06:42 AM  
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, other people are breaking the law too, so you shouldn't ticket me! Waaaaaaaaaaaah, there are more serious crimes!

The dipshiat deserved his ticket for going out of his way to be a dick.
 
Rat [TotalFark]
2013-01-19 09:07:34 AM  
i235.photobucket.com

© skating on the bike path to Harold Faltermeyer is a crime in this county
 
2013-01-19 09:12:23 AM  

JosephFinn: Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, other people are breaking the law too, so you shouldn't ticket me! Waaaaaaaaaaaah, there are more serious crimes!

The dipshiat deserved his ticket for going out of his way to be a dick.


Waaaaaaaaah, you cannot ticket someone for NOT breaking the law, Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
 
2013-01-19 09:12:26 AM  
Cop-stache detected.
 
2013-01-19 09:12:29 AM  
Cop mustache.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-19 09:13:06 AM  
a YouTube video of an LAPD officer pulling over and ticketing a bicyclist with little cause

Welcome to equal treatment, two wheeled road-sharers.
 
2013-01-19 09:15:50 AM  
If everyone practiced open carry this would not have happened.
 
2013-01-19 09:16:40 AM  
mmmmmmmm.....Gravey
 
2013-01-19 09:16:46 AM  
Wait a minute, at what point does he start recording? If it's after he's been stopped by the officer, we're supposed to take his word that he didn't do anything wrong? Most police officers will give you a break if you're not a dick.
 
2013-01-19 09:17:57 AM  
Nothing to see here sheeple!


/get it? sheep people. because sheep with the wool and people with the thing.
 
2013-01-19 09:18:13 AM  

Abox: Nothing to see here sheeple!


/get it? sheep people. because sheep with the wool and people with the thing.


lulz
 
2013-01-19 09:19:17 AM  
1. Block one direction of bike path.

2. Incense bicyclists who call you on it.

3.Ticket them because they are arguing with you.

4. City Profit!
 
2013-01-19 09:19:51 AM  
Cops who do this sort of thing are not really interested in fighting crime. They're interested in the power the badge gives them. They're basically lazy and go for the low hanging fruit. Such individuals are often lackadaisical with other aspects of the job and this can easily be seen by superiors who are conscious of their subordinates behavior and trained to observe their working habits outside of just keeping the positions filled and their own positions protected from scrutiny, especially when their own position is dependent on a conscientious application of the rules and responsibilities of the job.

These people need to be weeded out early in their careers, they are unsuitable for for the work.

"All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptable. Such people have a tendency to become drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted."
- Frank Herbert, Chapterhouse Dune
 
2013-01-19 09:20:49 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: Wait a minute, at what point does he start recording? If it's after he's been stopped by the officer, we're supposed to take his word that he didn't do anything wrong? Most police officers will give you a break if you're not a dick.


That doesn't apply to everyone, at all.
 
2013-01-19 09:21:32 AM  

JosephFinn: Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, other people are breaking the law too, so you shouldn't ticket me! Waaaaaaaaaaaah, there are more serious crimes!

The dipshiat deserved his ticket for going out of his way to be a dick.


Watch the video, cop is being a complete douche nozzle, the cyclist is being a bit testing, but only because cop is harassing the guy

/unsafe speed ticket for riding a granny bike
//all of my wut
 
2013-01-19 09:21:45 AM  

Beerguy: 1. Block one direction of bike path.

2. Incense bicyclists who call you on it.

3.Ticket them because they are arguing with you.

4. City Profit!


Actually,. the way I read it, the biker DID, in fact, break the law, and the cop explained to him that, more or less, he probably wouldn't have been cited for it--for the law that he did break--if he hadn't been a dick. So, kind of like every traffic cop interaction ever, huh?
 
2013-01-19 09:22:23 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Tat'dGreaser: Wait a minute, at what point does he start recording? If it's after he's been stopped by the officer, we're supposed to take his word that he didn't do anything wrong? Most police officers will give you a break if you're not a dick.

That doesn't apply to everyone, at all.


There are an awful lot of cops out there who will do practically anything to escalate a situation from a traffic citation into a felony. Felony arrests get them the promotions. Traffic citations do not.
 
2013-01-19 09:23:38 AM  
Bicyclists are assholes and should be ticketed. Don't break the law and you won't have a problem! Oh right. Laws don't apply to bicyclists.
 
2013-01-19 09:24:08 AM  
fark's he doin' in Italy?
 
2013-01-19 09:24:14 AM  
He should have been ticketing all the retards that walk on that path. It only says bikes only about a million times.
 
2013-01-19 09:24:47 AM  
Here's my plan America.

So, we need stricter gun control. The gunsturbators need to feel like bad-asses.

Let's send a memo, all gun owners who wish to participate are allowed to "practice" on all these bike assholes - imagine them wearing red coats, coming for your liberty.
Once they're all gone, you need to turn in your gun.

It's a win-win.
 
2013-01-19 09:25:08 AM  

Deathfrogg: Cops who do this sort of thing are not really interested in fighting crime. They're interested in the power the badge gives them. They're basically lazy and go for the low hanging fruit. Such individuals are often lackadaisical with other aspects of the job and this can easily be seen by superiors who are conscious of their subordinates behavior and trained to observe their working habits outside of just keeping the positions filled and their own positions protected from scrutiny, especially when their own position is dependent on a conscientious application of the rules and responsibilities of the job.

These people need to be weeded out early in their careers, they are unsuitable for for the work.

"All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptable. Such people have a tendency to become drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted."
- Frank Herbert, Chapterhouse Dune


It's dumb cops like this that are the reason I'm gonna get a helmet cam for the spring motorcycle start

/also for recording funny things on my trips, and the dumbass drivers who almost always nearly run me down
 
2013-01-19 09:26:15 AM  

ZAZ: Welcome to equal treatment, two wheeled road-sharers.


Stop driving on bike paths.
 
2013-01-19 09:27:14 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: Wait a minute, at what point does he start recording? If it's after he's been stopped by the officer, we're supposed to take his word that he didn't do anything wrong? Most police officers will give you a break if you're not a dick.


The ticket was cancelled so it sounds like it was the cop who was in the wrong. And just because someone's acting like a jerk doesn't mean they're breaking the law. Since when does wearing a badge means the cop is assumed to be in the right?

I hate this story because it makes me defend the bicyclist. I feel dirty over it.
 
2013-01-19 09:28:28 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: Wait a minute, at what point does he start recording? If it's after he's been stopped by the officer, we're supposed to take his word that he didn't do anything wrong? Most police officers will give you a break if you're not a dick.


Read the article again, slowly this time. Pay particular attention to the quote where the cop outlines his rationale for giving the guy a ticket.
 
2013-01-19 09:28:48 AM  

skinink: The ticket was cancelled so it sounds like it was the cop who was in the wrong. And just because someone's acting like a jerk doesn't mean they're breaking the law. Since when does wearing a badge means the cop is assumed to be in the right?

I hate this story because it makes me defend the bicyclist. I feel dirty over it.


Well if they did cancel it, then probably the cop was in the wrong. I just hate this "turn the video on at the right time" kind of justice. I think both people involved are dicks.
 
2013-01-19 09:30:14 AM  
Unregistered, uninsured vehicle and no driver's license... that's a finin'.
 
gja
2013-01-19 09:30:19 AM  

Deathfrogg: Cops who do this sort of thing are not really interested in fighting crime. They're interested in the power the badge gives them. They're basically lazy and go for the low hanging fruit. Such individuals are often lackadaisical with other aspects of the job and this can easily be seen by superiors who are conscious of their subordinates behavior and trained to observe their working habits outside of just keeping the positions filled and their own positions protected from scrutiny, especially when their own position is dependent on a conscientious application of the rules and responsibilities of the job.

These people need to be weeded out early in their careers, they are unsuitable for for the work.

"All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptable. Such people have a tendency to become drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted."
- Frank Herbert, Chapterhouse Dune


^^^^THIS^^^^ because it is clearly on-point and an accurate assessment of this awful LEOs shenanigans.
Other than getting some truly unwanted, unwelcome, and unneeded BAD press for his organization he achieved very little.
I am sure there are good officers in his group shaking their heads, thinking "thanks for the crappy media coverage, asshat"
 
2013-01-19 09:31:37 AM  

JosephFinn: Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, other people are breaking the law too, so you shouldn't ticket me! Waaaaaaaaaaaah, there are more serious crimes!

The dipshiat deserved his ticket for going out of his way to be a dick.


Didn't click on the link, because I was 100 pct sure this was another asshole bicyclist being and asshole.
 
2013-01-19 09:31:45 AM  

RectalFury: Here's my plan America.

So, we need stricter gun control. The gunsturbators need to feel like bad-asses.

Let's send a memo, all gun owners who wish to participate are allowed to "practice" on all these bike assholes - imagine them wearing red coats, coming for your liberty.
Once they're all gone, you need to turn in your gun.

It's a win-win.



Or...

We could put out PSAs encouraging potential public shooters to direct their fire in more constructive ways. Not saying at cyclists necessarily (*cough*CriticalMass) we could probably as a society come up with good suggestions...say, the next Westboro Baptist Church protest.
 
2013-01-19 09:33:40 AM  
Deathfrogg: Felony arrests get them the promotions. Traffic citations do not.

I suggest you research the promotional system in the LAPD.

That being said, I'm sure the cop was assigned to patrol the bike path because of complaints and he was just trying to do what he was assigned to do. He stopped a violator and got an argument so he wrote an attitude ticket. I don't agree with attitude tickets so the cop was wrong in doing that, but I doubt this was as big a deal as it appears to be.
 
2013-01-19 09:33:54 AM  
cyclebicycle.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-19 09:36:33 AM  

Abox: RectalFury: Here's my plan America.

So, we need stricter gun control. The gunsturbators need to feel like bad-asses.

Let's send a memo, all gun owners who wish to participate are allowed to "practice" on all these bike assholes - imagine them wearing red coats, coming for your liberty.
Once they're all gone, you need to turn in your gun.

It's a win-win.


Or...

We could put out PSAs encouraging potential public shooters to direct their fire in more constructive ways. Not saying at cyclists necessarily (*cough*CriticalMass) we could probably as a society come up with good suggestions...say, the next Westboro Baptist Church protest.


Dude, - they could finally be part of a well armed militia.
 
2013-01-19 09:37:21 AM  
This cop should go to jail. "I'm going to write you a ticket for unsafe speed because you're talking back to me" is criminal abuse of power.

People should be much more pissed off about this kind of thing. Americans are sheep.
 
2013-01-19 09:37:29 AM  
I always used to call the spandex patrol Lance when they ran the red light in front of me, I slammed my breaks and they looked at me with their Oakleys on with righteous indignation.

Now, I don't know what to call those dipshiats, even the head dipshiat is a tool.
 
2013-01-19 09:38:51 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Deathfrogg: Felony arrests get them the promotions. Traffic citations do not.

I suggest you research the promotional system in the LAPD.

That being said, I'm sure the cop was assigned to patrol the bike path because of complaints and he was just trying to do what he was assigned to do. He stopped a violator and got an argument so he wrote an attitude ticket. I don't agree with attitude tickets so the cop was wrong in doing that, but I doubt this was as big a deal as it appears to be.


hey, do you cops have to wear weights to go swimming? must be hard when you walk on water all the time
 
2013-01-19 09:46:28 AM  

CalvinMorallis: Actually,. the way I read it, the biker DID, in fact, break the law, and the cop explained to him that, more or less, he probably wouldn't have been cited for it--for the law that he did break--if he hadn't been a dick. So, kind of like every traffic cop interaction ever, huh?


Officer: "the reason I'm giving you a ticket for unsafe speed is because you're arguing with me"
So, which law did he break?  was he speeding, because in that case shouldn't that have been the reason he was given the ticket?
Keep in mind this was after the cop already accused him of riding on the wrong side of the road, but for some reason decided not to make that what he was ticketing him about.

I'm the first to call out videos that don't show the whole story, but from the part we did see, that cop is at least a terrible communicator.
 
2013-01-19 09:49:38 AM  

serial_crusher: CalvinMorallis: Actually,. the way I read it, the biker DID, in fact, break the law, and the cop explained to him that, more or less, he probably wouldn't have been cited for it--for the law that he did break--if he hadn't been a dick. So, kind of like every traffic cop interaction ever, huh?

Officer: "the reason I'm giving you a ticket for unsafe speed is because you're arguing with me"
So, which law did he break?  was he speeding, because in that case shouldn't that have been the reason he was given the ticket?
Keep in mind this was after the cop already accused him of riding on the wrong side of the road, but for some reason decided not to make that what he was ticketing him about.

I'm the first to call out videos that don't show the whole story, but from the part we did see, that cop is at least a terrible communicator.


Don't forget that the guy was only driving on the wrong side because the Cop was blocking the guys direction to begin with.
 
2013-01-19 09:49:42 AM  

ilambiquated: This cop should go to jail. "I'm going to write you a ticket for unsafe speed because you're talking back to me" is criminal abuse of power.

People should be much more pissed off about this kind of thing. Americans are sheep.


On the other hand, some bicyclist killed a 75 year old lady on a bike path not too far from Casa MFAWG last year because he was going way too fast.

So there's that.
 
2013-01-19 09:53:48 AM  

MFAWG: some bicyclist killed a 75 year old lady on a bike path not too far from Casa MFAWG last year because he was going way too fast.


If it's the story I'm thinking of, it was because she stepped left without looking while he was passing her.  That's her fault in my book.
 
2013-01-19 09:54:55 AM  
The video is painful, two hard-ons butting heads, once again, I'm failing to find a supportable side.
 
2013-01-19 09:56:27 AM  

Beerguy: serial_crusher: CalvinMorallis: Actually,. the way I read it, the biker DID, in fact, break the law, and the cop explained to him that, more or less, he probably wouldn't have been cited for it--for the law that he did break--if he hadn't been a dick. So, kind of like every traffic cop interaction ever, huh?

Officer: "the reason I'm giving you a ticket for unsafe speed is because you're arguing with me"
So, which law did he break?  was he speeding, because in that case shouldn't that have been the reason he was given the ticket?
Keep in mind this was after the cop already accused him of riding on the wrong side of the road, but for some reason decided not to make that what he was ticketing him about.

I'm the first to call out videos that don't show the whole story, but from the part we did see, that cop is at least a terrible communicator.

Don't forget that the guy was only driving on the wrong side because the Cop was blocking the guys direction to begin with.


Whenever a cop blocks the highway, I just jump on the opposite lane of traffic.
 
2013-01-19 09:57:53 AM  
This is the sort of jack-booted thuggery I can get behind.
 
2013-01-19 09:59:46 AM  

Deathfrogg: Cops who do this sort of thing are not really interested in fighting crime. They're interested in the power the badge gives them. They're basically lazy and go for the low hanging fruit. Such individuals are often lackadaisical with other aspects of the job and this can easily be seen by superiors who are conscious of their subordinates behavior and trained to observe their working habits outside of just keeping the positions filled and their own positions protected from scrutiny, especially when their own position is dependent on a conscientious application of the rules and responsibilities of the job.

These people need to be weeded out early in their careers, they are unsuitable for for the work.

"All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptable. Such people have a tendency to become drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted."
- Frank Herbert, Chapterhouse Dune


"I can quote people too."
- Mark Twain
 
2013-01-19 10:01:41 AM  

serial_crusher: MFAWG: some bicyclist killed a 75 year old lady on a bike path not too far from Casa MFAWG last year because he was going way too fast.

If it's the story I'm thinking of, it was because she stepped left without looking while he was passing her.  That's her fault in my book.


Oh, look. Blame the victim douchebaggery. How unexpected.
 
2013-01-19 10:04:22 AM  

Tymast: CruiserTwelve: Deathfrogg: Felony arrests get them the promotions. Traffic citations do not.

I suggest you research the promotional system in the LAPD.

That being said, I'm sure the cop was assigned to patrol the bike path because of complaints and he was just trying to do what he was assigned to do. He stopped a violator and got an argument so he wrote an attitude ticket. I don't agree with attitude tickets so the cop was wrong in doing that, but I doubt this was as big a deal as it appears to be.

hey, do you cops have to wear weights to go swimming? must be hard when you walk on water all the time


Read my post again, especially the part that says this:

"the cop was wrong in doing that"

Then tell me more about the "walk on water" thing.
 
2013-01-19 10:05:27 AM  

RectalFury: Beerguy: serial_crusher: CalvinMorallis: Actually,. the way I read it, the biker DID, in fact, break the law, and the cop explained to him that, more or less, he probably wouldn't have been cited for it--for the law that he did break--if he hadn't been a dick. So, kind of like every traffic cop interaction ever, huh?

Officer: "the reason I'm giving you a ticket for unsafe speed is because you're arguing with me"
So, which law did he break?  was he speeding, because in that case shouldn't that have been the reason he was given the ticket?
Keep in mind this was after the cop already accused him of riding on the wrong side of the road, but for some reason decided not to make that what he was ticketing him about.

I'm the first to call out videos that don't show the whole story, but from the part we did see, that cop is at least a terrible communicator.

Don't forget that the guy was only driving on the wrong side because the Cop was blocking the guys direction to begin with.

Whenever a cop blocks the highway, I just jump on the opposite lane of traffic.


You are right, the guy should have just turned around and went back the other way. I am sure he didn't need to get back to his car or anything. Better yet, he should have just picked up the bike and walked onto the sand to get around the cop. Although, then he might have been cited for not using the bike path, so, I am not sure.
 
2013-01-19 10:05:45 AM  

MFAWG: serial_crusher: MFAWG: some bicyclist killed a 75 year old lady on a bike path not too far from Casa MFAWG last year because he was going way too fast.

If it's the story I'm thinking of, it was because she stepped left without looking while he was passing her.  That's her fault in my book.

Oh, look. Blame the victim douchebaggery. How unexpected.


Did it ever go to court or anything?  Curious to see how it turned out.
 
2013-01-19 10:10:04 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Deathfrogg: Felony arrests get them the promotions. Traffic citations do not.

I suggest you research the promotional system in the LAPD.

That being said, I'm sure the cop was assigned to patrol the bike path because of complaints and he was just trying to do what he was assigned to do. He stopped a violator and got an argument so he wrote an attitude ticket. I don't agree with attitude tickets so the cop was wrong in doing that, but I doubt this was as big a deal as it appears to be.


It would seem that individuals who receive such assignments are often the people that the superiors want to keep out of the way for a period. The Seattle Detective I know has said this in so many words. The assholes and dumbasses get the shiat assignments and are kept out of the way of doing real police work and often don't get promoted. Of course, this probably only reinforces their behavior by frustrating their own sense of superhero/crimefighter status, but it is their own attitude that gets them into the situation.

A well-run police department bureaucracy understands that a certain percentage of jerks, bullies, liars and sociopaths will get through the training and culling process. The departments that are having discipline issues or a lot of brutality complaints are the ones that have forsaken the culling process in favor of merely keeping the positions filled. Probably because the job is crap and doesn't pay enough.

It's hard to maintain a good attitude when the outside observers nitpick every aspect of ones work. The departments that have the most problems have consciously made the decision to ignore the problems and complaints and go out of their way to protect the jerks instead of getting them off the force. This only serves to reinforce the critics' position.

Police Departments need to do a much better job of weeding out the assholes. It must be much easier to fire a cop for wrongdoing or lazy behavior. Any act of perjury or unnecessary brutality should be grounds for termination, even in a long term career officer. You shouldn't be able to fire someone just for being a dickhead occasionally, but you should for a continuing pattern of dickish or brutish behavior, both on and off the job. We don't need thugs or bullies on the job. We don't need daily drinkers or neighborhood tough guys doing the work. And we sure as shiat don't need sociopaths running around with a firearm and the power of the State behind them to protect them from scrutiny.
 
2013-01-19 10:15:12 AM  

JosephFinn: Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, other people are breaking the law too, so you shouldn't ticket me! Waaaaaaaaaaaah, there are more serious crimes!

The dipshiat deserved his ticket for going out of his way to be a dick.


It's only 7:00AM (in my time zone), yet I bet you've broken at least a dozen laws so far today. Are you ready to get tickets for every law you've broken today, arsewipe?

Laws are mostly created for an excuse to extract money from people, little else.
 
2013-01-19 10:15:30 AM  
img.photobucket.com

/i feel safer
 
2013-01-19 10:17:01 AM  
More importantly, what's the name of this officer? Cops like this, that give the other 1% a bad name, need to be exposed to the public. What's his name, where does he live, who's family does he come from?
 
2013-01-19 10:17:58 AM  

serial_crusher: MFAWG: serial_crusher: MFAWG: some bicyclist killed a 75 year old lady on a bike path not too far from Casa MFAWG last year because he was going way too fast.

If it's the story I'm thinking of, it was because she stepped left without looking while he was passing her.  That's her fault in my book.

Oh, look. Blame the victim douchebaggery. How unexpected.

Did it ever go to court or anything?  Curious to see how it turned out.


Here's how it turned out. We all got together and decided to give old people a wider berth, a safety cocoon if you will, as a lifetime achievement award for evading Darwin's grasp.
 
2013-01-19 10:18:43 AM  

RectalFury: I always used to call the spandex patrol Lance when they ran the red light in front of me, I slammed my breaks and they looked at me with their Oakleys on with righteous indignation.

Now, I don't know what to call those dipshiats, even the head dipshiat is a tool.


Sure can tell who didn't RTFA in this thread. Save it for the next thread where someone on a bicycle actually did something wrong.
 
2013-01-19 10:19:36 AM  

Deathfrogg: CruiserTwelve: Deathfrogg: . He stopped a violator and got an argument so he wrote an attitude ticket...


WRONG

The bicicylist asked the cop to move his motorcycle off the bicycle path, at which point the cop started writing him a ticket.
 
2013-01-19 10:22:58 AM  
So, let me get this straight: one cop abused his authority by wrongly writing a ticket.

P.G. County laughs at the crybaby.

img202.imageshack.us
 
2013-01-19 10:23:18 AM  
Here's a story where the cop admits to being a power hungry dickhead, and fark is still going after the civilian for being on a bike. With one doosh even citing some completely non-related incident involving a copmletely different cyclist.

Way to be, intertubes.
 
2013-01-19 10:23:40 AM  

Deathfrogg: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Tat'dGreaser: Wait a minute, at what point does he start recording? If it's after he's been stopped by the officer, we're supposed to take his word that he didn't do anything wrong? Most police officers will give you a break if you're not a dick.

That doesn't apply to everyone, at all.

There are an awful lot of cops out there who will do practically anything to escalate a situation from a traffic citation into a felony. Felony arrests get them the promotions. Traffic citations do not.


Guess I've just been lucky. Been pulled over 40 or so times in a car, for 12 tickets (all justified, except one in Poughkeepsie; I used to be a leadfoot) and 30+ warnings over the years. One DUI stop where I had to walk the line, no problem...can't blame the cops for that, everyone ELSE in the car smelled like a distillery. Plus stopped once on a bike, got a warning again.
Never even close to an arrest.
 
2013-01-19 10:24:40 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: skinink: The ticket was cancelled so it sounds like it was the cop who was in the wrong. And just because someone's acting like a jerk doesn't mean they're breaking the law. Since when does wearing a badge means the cop is assumed to be in the right?

I hate this story because it makes me defend the bicyclist. I feel dirty over it.

Well if they did cancel it, then probably the cop was in the wrong. I just hate this "turn the video on at the right time" kind of justice. I think both people involved are dicks.


I know, right. We should bow down and grovel. Amirite.
 
2013-01-19 10:24:57 AM  

Deathfrogg: It would seem that individuals who receive such assignments are often the people that the superiors want to keep out of the way for a period. The Seattle Detective I know has said this in so many words. The assholes and dumbasses get the shiat assignments and are kept out of the way of doing real police work and often don't get promoted. Of course, this probably only reinforces their behavior by frustrating their own sense of superhero/crimefighter status, but it is their own attitude that gets them into the situation.

A well-run police department bureaucracy understands that a certain percentage of jerks, bullies, liars and sociopaths will get through the training and culling process. The departments that are having discipline issues or a lot of brutality complaints are the ones that have forsaken the culling process in favor of merely keeping the positions filled. Probably because the job is crap and doesn't pay enough.

It's hard to maintain a good attitude when the outside observers nitpick every aspect of ones work. The departments that have the most problems have consciously made the decision to ignore the problems and complaints and go out of their way to protect the jerks instead of getting them off the force. This only serves to reinforce the critics' position.

Police Departments need to do a much better job of weeding out the assholes. It must be much easier to fire a cop for wrongdoing or lazy behavior. Any act of perjury or unnecessary brutality should be ...


I agree with everything you said but I'll add this:  In my experience with three different law enforcement agencies, cops that are bullies rarely last very long. They burn out quickly because they find out police work is generally boring and repetitious, or they get tired of being constantly scrutinized and disciplined for their bad behavior. The problem is that they can create a lot of bad puiblicity in the short period of time that they wear a uniform.

The profession, by its nature, attracts "jerks, bullies, liars and sociopaths" as you say, but most are weeded out during the hiring process. The few that get through the process usually quit or are fired after a few years for the reasons cited above. Some agencies are so large that these guys can hide longer than they could at a smaller agency but even then they don't usually make it through an entire career.

The cop in the article could be a bully, but more likely he's just a motor officer that was trying to do whatever it was he was assigned to do and was frustrated about this guy arguing with him. If the stop lasted 10 minutes before the cyclist even turned on his camera, the cop was probably trying to lecture and release him. If the cop had wanted to write him a ticket from the start, he would have done so and not argued for 10 minutes.
 
2013-01-19 10:26:08 AM  
My father was hired by the LAPD in 1949 and retired after 30 years. I think I can hear him spinning in his grave over what the LAPD has become.
 
2013-01-19 10:26:54 AM  
Also, who wrote TFA? It's rife with typos.
 
2013-01-19 10:28:53 AM  

PunGent: Deathfrogg: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Tat'dGreaser: Wait a minute, at what point does he start recording? If it's after he's been stopped by the officer, we're supposed to take his word that he didn't do anything wrong? Most police officers will give you a break if you're not a dick.

That doesn't apply to everyone, at all.

There are an awful lot of cops out there who will do practically anything to escalate a situation from a traffic citation into a felony. Felony arrests get them the promotions. Traffic citations do not.

Guess I've just been lucky. Been pulled over 40 or so times in a car, for 12 tickets (all justified, except one in Poughkeepsie; I used to be a leadfoot) and 30+ warnings over the years. One DUI stop where I had to walk the line, no problem...can't blame the cops for that, everyone ELSE in the car smelled like a distillery. Plus stopped once on a bike, got a warning again.
Never even close to an arrest.


Yeah, my mom was a pretty serious leadfoot when I was a kid. She got pulled over a lot, nearly always getting a warning, I think she's had maybe 15 tickets over the course of her lifetime. She's almost 70 now, and doesn't have a V8 anymore. Myself, since I was 14 I've had four tickets and have been stopped maybe eight times total. But I haven't been pulled over since 1987.
 
2013-01-19 10:30:40 AM  
There is a reason why a lot of people simply don't care when they read/hear about a cop getting shot. Half of the cops out there are terrible people. We probably should have better oversight of them, because it really makes it hard for the other half that aren't terrible people to do their job.
 
2013-01-19 10:33:03 AM  
Niven's First Law.

Don't throw sh-t at an armed man.
 
2013-01-19 10:40:12 AM  

serial_crusher: MFAWG: serial_crusher: MFAWG: some bicyclist killed a 75 year old lady on a bike path not too far from Casa MFAWG last year because he was going way too fast.

If it's the story I'm thinking of, it was because she stepped left without looking while he was passing her.  That's her fault in my book.

Oh, look. Blame the victim douchebaggery. How unexpected.

Did it ever go to court or anything?  Curious to see how it turned out.


Nope, never went to court, and I'm not proposing that it should have. It was an accident, but BOTH parties could have been more careful.

I live about a block off the Interurban Trail and use it quite often on a longboard. I can't tell you how many bicyclists I see cruising 2 or 3 abreast and not paying much attention.
 
2013-01-19 10:42:16 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: Wait a minute, at what point does he start recording? If it's after he's been stopped by the officer, we're supposed to take his word that he didn't do anything wrong? Most police officers will give you a break if you're not a dick.


Most people are dicks and most cops are dicks, so therein lies the conundrum.
 
2013-01-19 10:45:15 AM  

Tank_Fuzzbutt: My father was hired by the LAPD in 1949 and retired after 30 years. I think I can hear him spinning in his grave over what the LAPD has become.


The legend is that LAPD is pretty tame compared to what it was in those days. Not sure how true that is, though.
 
2013-01-19 10:45:48 AM  
I don't see where that cyclist was being an asshole. He was standing up to yet another bullying power-tripping asshole.
 
2013-01-19 10:45:48 AM  
Idiot cop admitted on tape that he was giving him the ticket for an illegal reason. After that, any other argument from the cop is moot.
 
2013-01-19 10:47:18 AM  

CruiserTwelve: The cop in the article could be a bully, but more likely he's just a motor officer that was trying to do whatever it was he was assigned to do and was frustrated about this guy arguing with him. If the stop lasted 10 minutes before the cyclist even turned on his camera, the cop was probably trying to lecture and release him. If the cop had wanted to write him a ticket from the start, he would have done so and not argued for 10 minutes.


Yeah, it could have been as simple as the supervisor drawing a short straw and assigning the guy the beat somewhat arbitrarily. It is probably a rather boring beat. The cyclist arguing with him probably didn't do anything for his attitude.

I lived in Venice for a year or so in 1971 when I was a little kid. Mom moved us the hell out of there when the LAPD raided the house next door for a serial bank robber and one of the suspects got himself shot. Crappy little house a half a block from the beach.
 
zez
2013-01-19 10:47:31 AM  
Stay on the bike path!

Video of a cyclist getting a ticket for not staying on the bike path

/funny stuff
 
2013-01-19 10:48:04 AM  

eggrolls: Idiot cop admitted on tape that he was giving him the ticket for an illegal reason. After that, any other argument from the cop is moot.


I think you are the first person on the internet to correctly use "moot". Most people say mute.
 
2013-01-19 10:48:21 AM  
Too many errors; stopped reading.

/tme;sr
 
2013-01-19 10:48:25 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: Wait a minute, at what point does he start recording? If it's after he's been stopped by the officer, we're supposed to take his word that he didn't do anything wrong? Most police officers will give you a break if you're not a dick.


Unless they are already on the warpath.

Trust me, if you've never been involved in a case of police over-reaching, you don't know hell.

(Ugh, trying to explain the bullshiat felony charges to my employer, the FBI (because of my clearance), hiring a lawyer, etc. As far as I know the asshole is still on the beat.)
 
2013-01-19 10:53:26 AM  

abhorrent1: Bicyclists are assholes and should be ticketed.


RectalFury: Let's send a memo, all gun owners who wish to participate are allowed to "practice" on all these bike assholes


skinink: I hate this story because it makes me defend the bicyclist. I feel dirty over it.


MFAWG: Didn't click on the link, because I was 100 pct sure this was another asshole bicyclist being and asshole.


Milos Hattrick: [cyclebicycle.files.wordpress.com image 584x285]


Stay fat, America.

Also, a speed limit for cyclists, seriously??
 
2013-01-19 10:56:14 AM  
Repo Man



RectalFury: I always used to call the spandex patrol Lance when they ran the red light in front of me, I slammed my breaks and they looked at me with their Oakleys on with righteous indignation.

Now, I don't know what to call those dipshiats, even the head dipshiat is a tool.

Sure can tell who didn't RTFA in this thread. Save it for the next thread where someone on a bicycle actually did something wrong.



You want to know what he did wrong, he mouthed off to a cop as he rode around him.

If he said nothing, then no incident would have occurred. Lucky he didn't get a baton to the head to knock out the camera.
 
2013-01-19 10:57:45 AM  
i2.listal.com
Cops and cyclists. Kudos to you subby, you just might get your wings.
 
2013-01-19 11:01:16 AM  

CalvinMorallis: Beerguy: 1. Block one direction of bike path.

2. Incense bicyclists who call you on it.

3.Ticket them because they are arguing with you.

4. City Profit!

Actually,. the way I read it, the biker DID, in fact, break the law, and the cop explained to him that, more or less, he probably wouldn't have been cited for it--for the law that he did break--if he hadn't been a dick. So, kind of like every traffic cop interaction ever, huh?


If that we're true why did the cop change his story as to what law was broken?

First it was for being in the wrong lane, after the dotted line was pointed out the cop lied and said he was going to fast.
 
2013-01-19 11:04:30 AM  

strife: Too many errors; stopped reading.

/tme;sr


This.
 
2013-01-19 11:05:08 AM  
The only thing the LAPD cares about nowadays is revenue. Good luck getting them to do anything closely related to serving or protecting. All they do is write chicken shiat tickets, like jay-walking tickets. Where is all that money going? I mean it's not like we don't pay taxes at a high rate out here.
 
2013-01-19 11:05:19 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Deathfrogg: Felony arrests get them the promotions. Traffic citations do not.

I suggest you research the promotional system in the LAPD.

That being said, I'm sure the cop was assigned to patrol the bike path because of complaints and he was just trying to do what he was assigned to do. He stopped a violator and got an argument so he wrote an attitude ticket. I don't agree with attitude tickets so the cop was wrong in doing that, but I doubt this was as big a deal as it appears to be.


You don't think attitude tickets are a big deal? That kind of thinking is why many people rightfully dislike cops.
 
2013-01-19 11:05:22 AM  
When this farkwad get sued, instead of the city covering for it, the payment should come directly from his salary. (Same should go for any LEO abusing his/her authority) I bet you'd see a sharp drop in Officer Powertrips around the country.
 
2013-01-19 11:06:00 AM  

abhorrent1: Bicyclists are assholes and should be ticketed. Don't break the law and you won't have a problem! Oh right. Laws don't apply to bicyclists.


people like you should take the bus.
 
2013-01-19 11:07:40 AM  

JohnCarter: mmmmmmmm.....Gravey

Came to see if anybody else noticed this.  Leaving quite satisfied. And hungry.

Stupid cop, he'll be laughed at for days at the office.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-01-19 11:08:40 AM  

Buffalo77: You want to know what he did wrong, he mouthed off to a cop as he rode around him.

If he said nothing, then no incident would have occurred. Lucky he didn't get a baton to the head to knock out the camera.


What statute does that violate exactly?
 
2013-01-19 11:10:51 AM  

liam76: CalvinMorallis: Beerguy: 1. Block one direction of bike path.

2. Incense bicyclists who call you on it.

3.Ticket them because they are arguing with you.

4. City Profit!

Actually,. the way I read it, the biker DID, in fact, break the law, and the cop explained to him that, more or less, he probably wouldn't have been cited for it--for the law that he did break--if he hadn't been a dick. So, kind of like every traffic cop interaction ever, huh?

If that we're true why did the cop change his story as to what law was broken?



He was being a nice guy.

Crimals are the only citizens that do not trust the police.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-01-19 11:11:06 AM  

TwowheelinTim: abhorrent1: Bicyclists are assholes and should be ticketed. Don't break the law and you won't have a problem! Oh right. Laws don't apply to bicyclists.

people like you should take the bus.


I kind of figured the comments on this would be about equally divided between motorists and bikers. There are tons of motorists that get pissed because they don't want to share the road and there are tons of bikers that don't want to follow the law. Both sides are right and both sides are wrong.
 
2013-01-19 11:14:30 AM  
Needs more police brutality.
 
2013-01-19 11:14:40 AM  

MFAWG: Tank_Fuzzbutt: My father was hired by the LAPD in 1949 and retired after 30 years. I think I can hear him spinning in his grave over what the LAPD has become.

The legend is that LAPD is pretty tame compared to what it was in those days. Not sure how true that is, though.


Somewhat true. But the average citizen wasn't harassed like today. Back then the small percentage of the population with criminal behavior had the fear put in them. The guy riding his bicycle was never a problem. There's a difference between rolling a perp for snatching a purse and tackling a skateboarder for skating where he shouldn't be.
 
2013-01-19 11:15:33 AM  

CruiserTwelve: I don't agree with attitude tickets so the cop was wrong in doing that


So if you, personally, did agree with attitude tickets, then the cop would be right, right? When a pig in a speed trap watches 83 speeding cars go by and then blasts off after the 84th, is that because driver #84 displayed "attitude"?

All tickets are "attitude tickets", anything more tangible than "attitude" gets the gun out.
 
2013-01-19 11:16:00 AM  
RectalFury: Whenever a cop blocks the highway, I just jump on the opposite lane of traffic.

Idiot cop saw no issue with blocking one lane of the bike path, and because the cyclist douche looked directly at the cop while he was going around the cop who was in the way, the cyclist was driving unsafely at speed, according to his superior cop rationale.

And that's not abuse of power, and the ticket was not cancelled because I am completely wrong about what I just read in TFA.

Fark both the cop and douchey cyclists. They are terrible people. I would guess the whole reason this even started was because douchecycle gave the cop a fierce stink-eye when he was going around him.
 
2013-01-19 11:16:52 AM  

d23: TwowheelinTim: abhorrent1: Bicyclists are assholes and should be ticketed. Don't break the law and you won't have a problem! Oh right. Laws don't apply to bicyclists.

people like you should take the bus.

I kind of figured the comments on this would be about equally divided between motorists and bikers. There are tons of motorists that get pissed because they don't want to share the road and there are tons of bikers that don't want to follow the law. Both sides are right and both sides are wrong.


He who has over 2 tons of plastic, glass, and metal, wins!
 
2013-01-19 11:17:55 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: liam76: CalvinMorallis: Beerguy: 1. Block one direction of bike path.

2. Incense bicyclists who call you on it.

3.Ticket them because they are arguing with you.

4. City Profit!

Actually,. the way I read it, the biker DID, in fact, break the law, and the cop explained to him that, more or less, he probably wouldn't have been cited for it--for the law that he did break--if he hadn't been a dick. So, kind of like every traffic cop interaction ever, huh?

If that we're true why did the cop change his story as to what law was broken?


He was being a nice guy.

Crimals are the only citizens that do not trust the police.


motores.com.py
 
2013-01-19 11:19:26 AM  
Where is P. BARNES when you need him?
 
2013-01-19 11:22:48 AM  

d23: I kind of figured the comments on this would be about equally divided between motorists and bikers. There are tons of motorists that get pissed because they don't want to share the road and there are tons of bikers that don't want to follow the law. Both sides are right and both sides are wrong.


One side is a little more wrong than the other. What laws aren't cyclists following? Ride on the right side of the road? Stay right so cars can pass? The speed limit?

The mode of transportation I take to work in the morning doesn't make me less of a person, and you may want to think twice about starting a physical altercation with someone who exercises every day.
 
2013-01-19 11:23:08 AM  
Too bad we didn't see the whole incident....
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-01-19 11:30:29 AM  

strathmeyer: d23: I kind of figured the comments on this would be about equally divided between motorists and bikers. There are tons of motorists that get pissed because they don't want to share the road and there are tons of bikers that don't want to follow the law. Both sides are right and both sides are wrong.

One side is a little more wrong than the other. What laws aren't cyclists following? Ride on the right side of the road? Stay right so cars can pass? The speed limit?

The mode of transportation I take to work in the morning doesn't make me less of a person, and you may want to think twice about starting a physical altercation with someone who exercises every day.


I was talking in general. The point is there are ASSHOLES EVERYWHERE. Welcome to Fark.
 
2013-01-19 11:33:25 AM  

Errk: Too bad we didn't see the whole incident....


You only need to see the first 5 seconds to get the gist... when the cop says "the reason I'm giving you a ticket is because you're arguing with me", he's crossed the line into indefensible territory, no matter what else may have happened off camera. Nobody forced the guy to become a cop, he should understand what it is he signed up for... which is to enforce the laws of his jurisdiction, not to give people "lessons" on being polite by summoning them to court. If he can't figure that out, he needs to get a different job.
 
2013-01-19 11:40:05 AM  
CruiserTwelve - The problem is that they can create a lot of bad puiblicity in the short period of time that they wear a uniform.

You mean the 'bad publicity' of harassment, injury, and even deaths that were caused by the very people who were supposed to 'protect' us from these very things? Face it, if you guys did not desire to be seen as 'above' the rest of the population, if you did not always act like you were the Lord's gift to society, if you would stop acting like your crap does not stink, if you would just admit you have problems in your department as opposed to 'good ole boy network'ing to save those who created such 'bad publicity' in attempt to back up your 'holier than thou' attitude, then you might just find the rest of us won't have the reactions some of the people on here are having. Not that you should worry about anonymous commentary, but for those who directly suffer from the people who say they are here to 'servei and protect' when they are really here to stroke their own ego and prove their overblown sense of superiority, I doubt they will be so bland as to say it is 'bad publicity'.
 
2013-01-19 11:40:57 AM  
So why couldn't the bicyclist go around the cop, mind his own business, and keep his mouth shut?

Sounds like the bicyclist wanted some attention so he got it...
 
2013-01-19 11:43:33 AM  

CruiserTwelve: I agree with everything you said but I'll add this: In my experience with three different law enforcement agencies, cops that are bullies rarely last very long. They burn out quickly because they find out police work is generally boring and repetitious, or they get tired of being constantly scrutinized and disciplined for their bad behavior.


I find this hard to believe- if the bad cops 'burn out' quickly, then there would be no more bad cops. People who would make bad cops wouldn't apply to such a "boring and repetitious" job.

Of course, there ARE bad cops, so, since the logic is sound, the assumptions we start with ("cops that are bullies rarely last") must be wrong.
 
2013-01-19 11:43:33 AM  

Ilmarinen: abhorrent1: Bicyclists are assholes and should be ticketed.

RectalFury: Let's send a memo, all gun owners who wish to participate are allowed to "practice" on all these bike assholes

skinink: I hate this story because it makes me defend the bicyclist. I feel dirty over it.

MFAWG: Didn't click on the link, because I was 100 pct sure this was another asshole bicyclist being and asshole.

Milos Hattrick: [cyclebicycle.files.wordpress.com image 584x285]

Stay fat, America.

Also, a speed limit for cyclists, seriously??


It looks like a mixed use path. If that is the case you need a speed limit to stop cyclists from going 20-30 mph and running over little old ladies walking their dog.
 
2013-01-19 11:43:39 AM  

Slappajo: So why couldn't the bicyclist go around the cop, mind his own business, and keep his mouth shut?

Sounds like the bicyclist wanted some attention so he got it...


You should give lectures on the merits of liberty in a free society.

Oh, wait, no... I was thinking of someone else.
 
2013-01-19 11:49:29 AM  

Carth: Ilmarinen: abhorrent1: Bicyclists are assholes and should be ticketed.

RectalFury: Let's send a memo, all gun owners who wish to participate are allowed to "practice" on all these bike assholes

skinink: I hate this story because it makes me defend the bicyclist. I feel dirty over it.

MFAWG: Didn't click on the link, because I was 100 pct sure this was another asshole bicyclist being and asshole.

Milos Hattrick: [cyclebicycle.files.wordpress.com image 584x285]

Stay fat, America.

Also, a speed limit for cyclists, seriously??

It looks like a mixed use path. If that is the case you need a speed limit to stop cyclists from going 20-30 mph and running over little old ladies walking their dog.


That bike can't do 20-30 mph, going downhill.
 
2013-01-19 11:58:31 AM  

Tank_Fuzzbutt: My father was hired by the LAPD in 1949 and retired after 30 years. I think I can hear him spinning in his grave over what the LAPD has become.


I'm sure your dad was a good cop and a good man, but LAPD between 1949 and 1979 was no better than it is today.
 
2013-01-19 12:01:50 PM  
Mmm Mmm Mmm Mmm
s14.postimage.org
s14.postimage.org
 
2013-01-19 12:02:53 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Carth: Ilmarinen: abhorrent1: Bicyclists are assholes and should be ticketed.

RectalFury: Let's send a memo, all gun owners who wish to participate are allowed to "practice" on all these bike assholes

skinink: I hate this story because it makes me defend the bicyclist. I feel dirty over it.

MFAWG: Didn't click on the link, because I was 100 pct sure this was another asshole bicyclist being and asshole.

Milos Hattrick: [cyclebicycle.files.wordpress.com image 584x285]

Stay fat, America.

Also, a speed limit for cyclists, seriously??

It looks like a mixed use path. If that is the case you need a speed limit to stop cyclists from going 20-30 mph and running over little old ladies walking their dog.

That bike can't do 20-30 mph, going downhill.


That bike? God no. But some can which is why a lot of multiuse paths have a 15 mph speed limit. The one near our house has a 25 kph speed limit for that exact reason if you want to go faster you can still bike on the road.
 
2013-01-19 12:03:02 PM  

CalvinMorallis: So, kind of like every traffic cop interaction ever, huh?


Please clarify. I can't tell if this is trolling or a bewildering level of ignorance.
 
2013-01-19 12:04:49 PM  
Yeah, they've only had like twenty years to figure them out!
 
2013-01-19 12:05:31 PM  

CruiserTwelve: Tymast: CruiserTwelve: Deathfrogg: Felony arrests get them the promotions. Traffic citations do not.

I suggest you research the promotional system in the LAPD.

That being said, I'm sure the cop was assigned to patrol the bike path because of complaints and he was just trying to do what he was assigned to do. He stopped a violator and got an argument so he wrote an attitude ticket. I don't agree with attitude tickets so the cop was wrong in doing that, but I doubt this was as big a deal as it appears to be.

hey, do you cops have to wear weights to go swimming? must be hard when you walk on water all the time

Read my post again, especially the part that says this:

"the cop was wrong in doing that"

Then tell me more about the "walk on water" thing.


You know what they say about everything before the ", but" in a sentence.
 
2013-01-19 12:06:42 PM  
Mac: Oh, c'mon, we're like the sons you never had.
Captain O'Hagan: If you were my son, Mac, I would've smothered you by now.
Mac: Smothered me in Gravey you big dirty man.
media.tumblr.com
 
2013-01-19 12:08:26 PM  

Slappajo: So why couldn't the bicyclist go around the cop, mind his own business, and keep his mouth shut?

Sounds like the bicyclist wanted some attention so he got it...


Maybe he felt like doing the right thing instead.

He did, and he won. So you are invited go ahead and lick the gravy sweat off my nutz after my next 20 mile ride.
 
2013-01-19 12:09:19 PM  

Tank_Fuzzbutt: MFAWG: Tank_Fuzzbutt: My father was hired by the LAPD in 1949 and retired after 30 years. I think I can hear him spinning in his grave over what the LAPD has become.

The legend is that LAPD is pretty tame compared to what it was in those days. Not sure how true that is, though.

Somewhat true. But the average citizen wasn't harassed like today. Back then the small percentage of the population with criminal behavior anybody they thought might possibly be a criminal or darker than a caramel had the fear put in them. The guy riding his bicycle was never a problem. There's a difference between rolling a perp for snatching a purse and tackling a skateboarder for skating where he shouldn't be.


There, fixed that for you.
 
2013-01-19 12:11:21 PM  
you'd think the LAPD would wise up to these camcorder things already


Subby, I think it just goes to show how rare it is for them to get recorded. Probably less than 1% of the time they are engaged in morally, ethically or legally bankrupt behavior.

That is just the nature of our police force, it corrupts from within as there is too little accountability for these people.
 
2013-01-19 12:11:48 PM  
Trocadero Cops and cyclists. Kudos to you subby, you just might get your wings.

Actually ignoring a controversial mega-thread & even a link swiped by an unethical modmin, this marks my 800th Green here...
 
2013-01-19 12:12:03 PM  
I happen to know Chris in person and helped share this virally. The comments above show how blinded by reality so many farkers are. The cops were blocking the path. He had to switch sides to ride past. Its a huge possibility the cop recognized him as someone who does activism in the area. He's also a Veteran. And I doubt he was speeding either as he was recovering from a leg injury.

/the more you know
 
2013-01-19 12:14:00 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: Wait a minute, at what point does he start recording? If it's after he's been stopped by the officer, we're supposed to take his word that he didn't do anything wrong? Most police officers will give you a break if you're not a dick.


Well, I think as soon as you have this on tape:

"Listen to me, sir. The reason why I'm going to write you for unsafe speed is because you are arguing with me"

...you're pretty much guaranteed the cop's actions are not going to see the light of court...
 
2013-01-19 12:14:16 PM  

Carth: StoPPeRmobile: Carth: Ilmarinen: abhorrent1: Bicyclists are assholes and should be ticketed.

RectalFury: Let's send a memo, all gun owners who wish to participate are allowed to "practice" on all these bike assholes

skinink: I hate this story because it makes me defend the bicyclist. I feel dirty over it.

MFAWG: Didn't click on the link, because I was 100 pct sure this was another asshole bicyclist being and asshole.

Milos Hattrick: [cyclebicycle.files.wordpress.com image 584x285]

Stay fat, America.

Also, a speed limit for cyclists, seriously??

It looks like a mixed use path. If that is the case you need a speed limit to stop cyclists from going 20-30 mph and running over little old ladies walking their dog.

That bike can't do 20-30 mph, going downhill.

That bike? God no. But some can which is why a lot of multiuse paths have a 15 mph speed limit. The one near our house has a 25 kph speed limit for that exact reason if you want to go faster you can still bike on the road.


15 MPH? Dafuk?

Sounds like a "No Running" zone. Is this an elementary school?
 
2013-01-19 12:16:37 PM  

FlyingJ: Trocadero Cops and cyclists. Kudos to you subby, you just might get your wings.

Actually ignoring a controversial mega-thread & even a link swiped by an unethical modmin, this marks my 800th Green here...


radiumsoup.com

/not sarcasm... thanks for the effort :)
 
2013-01-19 12:18:33 PM  

Krieghund: Tank_Fuzzbutt: My father was hired by the LAPD in 1949 and retired after 30 years. I think I can hear him spinning in his grave over what the LAPD has become.

I'm sure your dad was a good cop and a good man, but LAPD between 1949 and 1979 was no better than it is today.



What do base that on, good netiquette? His dad sounds like a genuine scumbag to me.

We have become a society where lying is polite and plain-speaking honesty is criminal. The police are creative contributors to society in this, and only this respect.
 
2013-01-19 12:19:17 PM  
Unpossible! A cop abusing his power? Un-Fning-possible.
We all know pigs, er cops, never abuse their power.
Get a life moran!!1! I mean citizen!1!!!
 
2013-01-19 12:19:58 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Carth: StoPPeRmobile: Carth: Ilmarinen: abhorrent1: Bicyclists are assholes and should be ticketed.

RectalFury: Let's send a memo, all gun owners who wish to participate are allowed to "practice" on all these bike assholes

skinink: I hate this story because it makes me defend the bicyclist. I feel dirty over it.

MFAWG: Didn't click on the link, because I was 100 pct sure this was another asshole bicyclist being and asshole.

Milos Hattrick: [cyclebicycle.files.wordpress.com image 584x285]

Stay fat, America.

Also, a speed limit for cyclists, seriously??

It looks like a mixed use path. If that is the case you need a speed limit to stop cyclists from going 20-30 mph and running over little old ladies walking their dog.

That bike can't do 20-30 mph, going downhill.

That bike? God no. But some can which is why a lot of multiuse paths have a 15 mph speed limit. The one near our house has a 25 kph speed limit for that exact reason if you want to go faster you can still bike on the road.

15 MPH? Dafuk?

Sounds like a "No Running" zone. Is this an elementary school?


It is the The Capital Pathway a 236 kilometer trail The site says the speed limit is actually 20 kph but it only applies to cyclists.
 
2013-01-19 12:24:01 PM  

david_gaithersburg: If everyone practiced open carry this would not have happened.


That piggy should have gone down in a hail of righteous gunfire! Wolverines!
 
2013-01-19 12:28:26 PM  

macadamnut: So if you, personally, did agree with attitude tickets, then the cop would be right, right?


Kind of a pointless argument, isn't it? You're asking me if I disagreed with myself, wouldn't I then have a different opinion?
 
2013-01-19 12:31:31 PM  
I had no idea Fark was full of so much anti-bike sentiment. You'd think half the people on here as kids had their puppies run over by a cyclist running a red light, who then stopped and told them that Santa wasn't real, the tooth fairy didn't exist, and that their parents were getting a divorce and it was all their fault.

Yes, cyclists can act like jerks, so can cars, so can pedestrians, so can everyone. Why the particular hate over bikes? Plus, that guy was riding a granny beach cruiser ON THE BEACH. I could see hating on some spandex clad speed demon, but this guy? Come on.
 
2013-01-19 12:32:08 PM  

fredklein: I find this hard to believe- if the bad cops 'burn out' quickly, then there would be no more bad cops. People who would make bad cops wouldn't apply to such a "boring and repetitious" job.

Of course, there ARE bad cops, so, since the logic is sound, the assumptions we start with ("cops that are bullies rarely last") must be wrong.


I'm not gonna play that game with you fred. Go ahead and twist my reasoning to fit your viewpoint, but don't ask me to validate it.
 
2013-01-19 12:33:32 PM  

Chup: I had no idea Fark was full of so much anti-bike sentiment. You'd think half the people on here as kids had their puppies run over by a cyclist running a red light, who then stopped and told them that Santa wasn't real, the tooth fairy didn't exist, and that their parents were getting a divorce and it was all their fault.

Yes, cyclists can act like jerks, so can cars, so can pedestrians, so can everyone. Why the particular hate over bikes? Plus, that guy was riding a granny beach cruiser ON THE BEACH. I could see hating on some spandex clad speed demon, but this guy? Come on.


Fat farks idling in their cars are pissy to begin with... show them a cyclist decked out like a space homo from planet spandex, and he's gonna draw their ire.
 
2013-01-19 12:35:24 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: That bike? God no. But some can which is why a lot of multiuse paths have a 15 mph speed limit. The one near our house has a 25 kph speed limit for that exact reason if you want to go faster you can still bike on the road.

15 MPH? Dafuk?

Sounds like a "No Running" zone. Is this an elementary school?


Yep, 15 MPH on our local "bike paths", too, which allow any non-motorized use. There are plenty of bikes using them, but also pedestrians (who often have an iPod plugged into their ears, so can't hear me coming), joggers, grannies with their walkers, little kids, roller- and skate-boarders, dogs, etc, I have two horns...a classic bell and an airhorn for the dumbshiats who can't hear the bell over the sound of whatever shiat is playing on their iPod.

I've seen city cops with hand-held radar guns on the path, too...tho always at the same spot at the bottom of a hill where it'd be easy to exceed the speed limit. 15 MPH works for me on the bike path. If I need to go faster I use the surface streets.
 
2013-01-19 12:38:25 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Carth: StoPPeRmobile: Carth: Ilmarinen: abhorrent1: Bicyclists are assholes and should be ticketed.

RectalFury: Let's send a memo, all gun owners who wish to participate are allowed to "practice" on all these bike assholes

skinink: I hate this story because it makes me defend the bicyclist. I feel dirty over it.

MFAWG: Didn't click on the link, because I was 100 pct sure this was another asshole bicyclist being and asshole.

Milos Hattrick: [cyclebicycle.files.wordpress.com image 584x285]

Stay fat, America.

Also, a speed limit for cyclists, seriously??

It looks like a mixed use path. If that is the case you need a speed limit to stop cyclists from going 20-30 mph and running over little old ladies walking their dog.

That bike can't do 20-30 mph, going downhill.

That bike? God no. But some can which is why a lot of multiuse paths have a 15 mph speed limit. The one near our house has a 25 kph speed limit for that exact reason if you want to go faster you can still bike on the road.

15 MPH? Dafuk?

Sounds like a "No Running" zone. Is this an elementary school?


I live close to that path. Its actually supposed to be bike only but people walk and run on it all the time so technically, the cop should be removing those on foot. I am not familiar with the multitude of redundant laws, so I don't know if he should be ticketing the walkers/runners, or if there is a speed limit on the path. I have never seen a speed limit posted, so if it exists, its only in the cop's head.
 
2013-01-19 12:40:24 PM  

radiumsoup: Slappajo: So why couldn't the bicyclist go around the cop, mind his own business, and keep his mouth shut?

Sounds like the bicyclist wanted some attention so he got it...

You should give lectures on the merits of liberty in a free society.

Oh, wait, no... I was thinking of someone else.


There's a difference between "liberty" and going out of your way to be an asshole.
 
2013-01-19 12:40:29 PM  

payattention: You mean the 'bad publicity' of harassment, injury, and even deaths that were caused by the very people who were supposed to 'protect' us from these very things? Face it, if you guys did not desire to be seen as 'above' the rest of the population, if you did not always act like you were the Lord's gift to society, if you would stop acting like your crap does not stink, if you would just admit you have problems in your department as opposed to 'good ole boy network'ing to save those who created such 'bad publicity' in attempt to back up your 'holier than thou' attitude, then you might just find the rest of us won't have the reactions some of the people on here are having. Not that you should worry about anonymous commentary, but for those who directly suffer from the people who say they are here to 'servei and protect' when they are really here to stroke their own ego and prove their overblown sense of superiority, I doubt they will be so bland as to say it is 'bad publicity'.


Do you actually know any cops? About everything in your post is so far off reality that I see no reason to respond to it. Your beliefs seem to be based on TV show and movie cops and the occasional YouTube video, not real cops.
 
2013-01-19 12:41:17 PM  

CruiserTwelve: macadamnut: So if you, personally, did agree with attitude tickets, then the cop would be right, right?

Kind of a pointless argument, isn't it? You're asking me if I disagreed with myself, wouldn't I then have a different opinion?


I think my point was that a given police officer's decision making process is highly subjective and relates to his country/state/city's actual laws in name only.
 
2013-01-19 12:41:43 PM  

MFAWG: Tank_Fuzzbutt: MFAWG: Tank_Fuzzbutt: My father was hired by the LAPD in 1949 and retired after 30 years. I think I can hear him spinning in his grave over what the LAPD has become.

The legend is that LAPD is pretty tame compared to what it was in those days. Not sure how true that is, though.

Somewhat true. But the average citizen wasn't harassed like today. Back then the small percentage of the population with criminal behavior anybody they thought might possibly be a criminal or darker than a caramel had the fear put in them. The guy riding his bicycle was never a problem. There's a difference between rolling a perp for snatching a purse and tackling a skateboarder for skating where he shouldn't be.

There, fixed that for you.


I was reading a review about the movie "Gangster Squad" and the reviewer said the portrayal of LAPD cops in that movie wasn't close to how it was back in the 40s and so. The reviewer said a close portrayal of how the LA cops were like is shown in "LA Confidential" where the cops repeatedly tried to frame people for crimes they didn't commit and did anything to close a case, plus treated minorities like crap. One reference about LA cops.
 
2013-01-19 12:41:45 PM  

Stone Meadow: StoPPeRmobile: That bike? God no. But some can which is why a lot of multiuse paths have a 15 mph speed limit. The one near our house has a 25 kph speed limit for that exact reason if you want to go faster you can still bike on the road.

15 MPH? Dafuk?

Sounds like a "No Running" zone. Is this an elementary school?

Yep, 15 MPH on our local "bike paths", too, which allow any non-motorized use. There are plenty of bikes using them, but also pedestrians (who often have an iPod plugged into their ears, so can't hear me coming), joggers, grannies with their walkers, little kids, roller- and skate-boarders, dogs, etc, I have two horns...a classic bell and an airhorn for the dumbshiats who can't hear the bell over the sound of whatever shiat is playing on their iPod.

I've seen city cops with hand-held radar guns on the path, too...tho always at the same spot at the bottom of a hill where it'd be easy to exceed the speed limit. 15 MPH works for me on the bike path. If I need to go faster I use the surface streets.


The trouble is, once that path is there, and you avoid it because of the speed limit, and the overcrowding that made the limit necessary, you get the "Why don't you use the bike path?" bit. Bike paths are for pedestrians and children as far as I'm concerned. Walking is a better workout than fifteen MPH on a bicycle. Unless you are riding a bicycle against a stiff headwind, or uphill.
 
2013-01-19 12:43:20 PM  

Bigjohn3592: Slappajo: So why couldn't the bicyclist go around the cop, mind his own business, and keep his mouth shut?

Sounds like the bicyclist wanted some attention so he got it...

Maybe he felt like doing the right thing instead.

He did, and he won. So you are invited go ahead and lick the gravy sweat off my nutz after my next 20 mile ride.


How is mouthing off to a cop (who was doing something completely unrelated to the bicyclist) as you go around him the "right" thing to do?
 
2013-01-19 12:44:41 PM  

Stone Meadow: StoPPeRmobile: That bike? God no. But some can which is why a lot of multiuse paths have a 15 mph speed limit. The one near our house has a 25 kph speed limit for that exact reason if you want to go faster you can still bike on the road.

15 MPH? Dafuk?

Sounds like a "No Running" zone. Is this an elementary school?

Yep, 15 MPH on our local "bike paths", too, which allow any non-motorized use. There are plenty of bikes using them, but also pedestrians (who often have an iPod plugged into their ears, so can't hear me coming), joggers, grannies with their walkers, little kids, roller- and skate-boarders, dogs, etc, I have two horns...a classic bell and an airhorn for the dumbshiats who can't hear the bell over the sound of whatever shiat is playing on their iPod.

I've seen city cops with hand-held radar guns on the path, too...tho always at the same spot at the bottom of a hill where it'd be easy to exceed the speed limit. 15 MPH works for me on the bike path. If I need to go faster I use the surface streets.


The area where that happened has (off the top of my head) 3 picnic areas, a dog park, a BMX park, and a couple of little beach areas along the river. So it's going to tend to be congested after 5pm on a Friday in June.
 
2013-01-19 12:46:30 PM  

Slappajo: How is mouthing off to a cop (who was doing something completely unrelated to the bicyclist) as you go around him the "right" thing to do?


Saying "get out of the way, asshole" to some asshole who's in everybody's way is always the right thing to do.
 
2013-01-19 12:49:55 PM  
Look at this gun grabbers. This is who you think should be defending you and have your interests at heart.
 
2013-01-19 12:50:06 PM  

AcneVulgaris: Chup: I had no idea Fark was full of so much anti-bike sentiment. You'd think half the people on here as kids had their puppies run over by a cyclist running a red light, who then stopped and told them that Santa wasn't real, the tooth fairy didn't exist, and that their parents were getting a divorce and it was all their fault.

Yes, cyclists can act like jerks, so can cars, so can pedestrians, so can everyone. Why the particular hate over bikes? Plus, that guy was riding a granny beach cruiser ON THE BEACH. I could see hating on some spandex clad speed demon, but this guy? Come on.

Fat farks idling in their cars are pissy to begin with... show them a cyclist decked out like a space homo from planet spandex, and he's gonna draw their ire.


I bike to work everyday in regular clothes and on a "regular" bike, and I definitely encounter some bikers who are complete tools to both cars and other bikers, acting like they own the road. On the other hand, about 95% of my trip is in a dedicated bike lane and I've almost been hit 10+ times by cars turning through the bike lane, using the bike lane to drive in or pass cars near intersections, and just generally not paying attention. I can see where the biker jerks get their rage from, cause at some point the lack of concern for your safety in the interest of saving a few seconds commuting starts to grate on you.
 
2013-01-19 12:51:27 PM  

Chup: I had no idea Fark was full of so much anti-bike sentiment. You'd think half the people on here as kids had their puppies run over by a cyclist running a red light, who then stopped and told them that Santa wasn't real, the tooth fairy didn't exist, and that their parents were getting a divorce and it was all their fault.

Yes, cyclists can act like jerks, so can cars, so can pedestrians, so can everyone. Why the particular hate over bikes? Plus, that guy was riding a granny beach cruiser ON THE BEACH. I could see hating on some spandex clad speed demon, but this guy? Come on.


We have a lot of authoritarian tards here who worship a strong government.
 
2013-01-19 12:52:29 PM  

hlehmann: JosephFinn: Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, other people are breaking the law too, so you shouldn't ticket me! Waaaaaaaaaaaah, there are more serious crimes!

The dipshiat deserved his ticket for going out of his way to be a dick.

It's only 7:00AM (in my time zone), yet I bet you've broken at least a dozen laws so far today.


And you would be wrong, since I follow the law.
 
2013-01-19 12:55:23 PM  

muck4doo: Look at this gun grabbers. This is who you think should be defending you and have your interests at heart.


In the "gun grabber" fantasy world, wouldn't the cops actually be the gun grabbers?
 
2013-01-19 12:56:03 PM  

CruiserTwelve: Do you actually know any cops? About everything in your post is so far off reality that I see no reason to respond to it. Your beliefs seem to be based on TV show and movie cops and the occasional YouTube video, not real cops


You are a "real cop" you don't think attitude tickets are a big deal.

You are part of the problem and his view looks a lot closer to reality than yours.


Slappajo: How is mouthing off to a cop (who was doing something completely unrelated to the bicyclist) as you go around him the "right" thing to do?


You don't see how parking a motorcycle on a bike path is unrelated to a bicyclist?

Fat cop was too stupid to realize or too lazy to care that he was impeding traffic. He should get called out on that.
 
2013-01-19 12:56:12 PM  

macadamnut: Slappajo: How is mouthing off to a cop (who was doing something completely unrelated to the bicyclist) as you go around him the "right" thing to do?

Saying "get out of the way, asshole" to some asshole who's in everybody's way is always the right thing to do.


I know right? Every time there's a traffic accident and the police have a lane of traffic blocked off and I have to merge into another lane, I always yell something at the cops.
 
2013-01-19 01:01:09 PM  

CruiserTwelve: muck4doo: Look at this gun grabbers. This is who you think should be defending you and have your interests at heart.

In the "gun grabber" fantasy world, wouldn't the cops actually be the gun grabbers?


Why yes, yes they would.
 
2013-01-19 01:03:02 PM  
I've got a bike. You can ride it if you like.
 
2013-01-19 01:04:01 PM  
Venice was my old stomping grounds. I see nothing has changed in 20 years.
 
2013-01-19 01:06:33 PM  

Slappajo: I know right? Every time there's a traffic accident and the police have a lane of traffic blocked off and I have to merge into another lane, I always yell something at the cops.


A traffic accident in a bicycle lane?
 
2013-01-19 01:08:54 PM  

liam76: Slappajo: How is mouthing off to a cop (who was doing something completely unrelated to the bicyclist) as you go around him the "right" thing to do?

You don't see how parking a motorcycle on a bike path is unrelated to a bicyclist?

Fat cop was too stupid to realize or too lazy to care that he was impeding traffic. He should get called out on that.


My statement was made under the assumption that it is not against the law or that it is permitted for police officers to use a bike path IF it is parked there because they are doing their job.

If it is parked there so he has a shorter walk to the hot dog stand, then he shouldn't be parked there. But I still think the bicyclist is still a dick for mouthing off as he went around him. Just go around him. I go around bicyclists who are on the road all the time in my car. They're impeding traffic. Should I yell at each one of them?

However, if he was doing something related to his job, the the bicyclist should STFU and mind his own business.
 
2013-01-19 01:09:40 PM  

Repo Man: Stone Meadow: 15 MPH works for me on the bike path. If I need to go faster I use the surface streets.

The trouble is, once that path is there, and you avoid it because of the speed limit, and the overcrowding that made the limit necessary, you get the "Why don't you use the bike path?" bit. Bike paths are for pedestrians and children as far as I'm concerned. Walking is a better workout than fifteen MPH on a bicycle. Unless you are riding a bicycle against a stiff headwind, or uphill.


Maybe on your bike, but mine is a 31-lbs MB with fat knobbies that gives me a good workout averaging 15 MPH on the 16 mile ride to work. BTW, I'm ~60 years old with a BMI of 24. When I wrote, "If I need to go faster I use the surface streets", what I really meant was "If I need to get to work quicker"... ;^) If I cut straight across town it's only 10 miles and takes 25 minutes less to get to work than the longer path route.
 
2013-01-19 01:11:53 PM  

liam76: You are a "real cop" you don't think attitude tickets are a big deal.


And you got this belief from where? Could it be from this statement by me?: "I don't agree with attitude tickets so the cop was wrong in doing that ."
 
2013-01-19 01:11:53 PM  
I am a volunteer in a police support agency here in Utah, so I deal with lots of officers from many different agencies all the time.
Most of them are ego-maniacal douchebags that will go out of their way to manufacture a reason to arrest someone.
Some of the discussions I have heard have almost made me quit the program, but the service to the community is more important.
And..I always think of the saying "Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer".
I can see 99% of the cops here in Utah planting evidence without batting and eye and high fiveing each other afterwards.

Sucks, but that's the way it is.
 
2013-01-19 01:15:15 PM  

Chup: AcneVulgaris: Chup: I had no idea Fark was full of so much anti-bike sentiment. You'd think half the people on here as kids had their puppies run over by a cyclist running a red light, who then stopped and told them that Santa wasn't real, the tooth fairy didn't exist, and that their parents were getting a divorce and it was all their fault.

Yes, cyclists can act like jerks, so can cars, so can pedestrians, so can everyone. Why the particular hate over bikes? Plus, that guy was riding a granny beach cruiser ON THE BEACH. I could see hating on some spandex clad speed demon, but this guy? Come on.

Fat farks idling in their cars are pissy to begin with... show them a cyclist decked out like a space homo from planet spandex, and he's gonna draw their ire.

I bike to work everyday in regular clothes and on a "regular" bike, and I definitely encounter some bikers who are complete tools to both cars and other bikers, acting like they own the road. On the other hand, about 95% of my trip is in a dedicated bike lane and I've almost been hit 10+ times by cars turning through the bike lane, using the bike lane to drive in or pass cars near intersections, and just generally not paying attention. I can see where the biker jerks get their rage from, cause at some point the lack of concern for your safety in the interest of saving a few seconds commuting starts to grate on you.



I'm with you. I'm both a biker and a driver, so I understand the complaints on both sides. Part of it is bad city design (bike-lane-converts-to-right-turn-lane is very poorly marked), but a large part of it is people who can't drive (whether with bikers or not) and bikers who flout the laws with arrogance. Fortunately, I've been knocked off my bike only once, and by a driver who was very apologetic, acknowledged guilt, and helped me back up, but I've had many near-misses on my bike or with my car that should have been easily preventable had the other person either been paying attention or given a crap about safety.

I don't even care if a biker doesn't come to a complete stop, as long as they slow down at a stop sign and make sure someone with right-of-way isn't going through first. Or if a car drifts a little into the bike lane while looking to the right. Just look like you give a crap, and all is forgiven, at least for me.

/and bikers HAVE to stop blocking crosswalks at red lights. Why so many of us are trying to draw the ire of pedestrians, instead of having them on our side, I'll never understand.
 
2013-01-19 01:27:40 PM  
Breitbart showed the way to roll one of these out: keep the video under wraps while you make a formal complaint. After officialdom goes on record, no doubt denying what happened, then you spring it. If there's enough video available, you dribble out more with each new denial. In the end the target organization looks like the buffoonish, abusive, lawbreaking, lying sacks of excrement they are.

i49.tinypic.com
 
2013-01-19 01:39:22 PM  

CruiserTwelve: fredklein: I find this hard to believe- if the bad cops 'burn out' quickly, then there would be no more bad cops. People who would make bad cops wouldn't apply to such a "boring and repetitious" job.

Of course, there ARE bad cops, so, since the logic is sound, the assumptions we start with ("cops that are bullies rarely last") must be wrong.

I'm not gonna play that game with you fred. Go ahead and twist my reasoning to fit your viewpoint, but don't ask me to validate it.


Catching you in a logical error is not 'twisting your reasoning'.
 
2013-01-19 01:39:23 PM  
Wait a second.

There's supposed to be a picture of a car crashing into a bunch of bicyclists in this thread.
 
2013-01-19 01:46:03 PM  

Slappajo: macadamnut: Slappajo: How is mouthing off to a cop (who was doing something completely unrelated to the bicyclist) as you go around him the "right" thing to do?

Saying "get out of the way, asshole" to some asshole who's in everybody's way is always the right thing to do.

I know right? Every time there's a traffic accident and the police have a lane of traffic blocked off and I have to merge into another lane, I always yell something at the cops.


Tell me about it. If there is one thing I can't stand is rubberneckers on the bike path after a 10 pedestrian pileup. Sick farks.

Cop should have tazed his ass.
cdn.blogs.babble.com
 
2013-01-19 01:47:01 PM  

macadamnut: Slappajo: I know right? Every time there's a traffic accident and the police have a lane of traffic blocked off and I have to merge into another lane, I always yell something at the cops.

A traffic accident in a bicycle lane?


Using "traffic accident" as an example of a cop doing something related to his job.
 
2013-01-19 01:47:18 PM  

jjorsett: Breitbart showed the way to roll one of these out: keep the video under wraps while you make a formal complaint. After officialdom goes on record, no doubt denying what happened, then you spring it. If there's enough video available, you dribble out more with each new denial. In the end the target organization looks like the buffoonish, abusive, lawbreaking, lying sacks of excrement they are.

[i49.tinypic.com image 288x217]


The Art of War
 
2013-01-19 01:49:08 PM  
a YouTube video of an LAPD officer pulling over and ticketing a bicyclist with little cause

Little cause is still cause.
 
2013-01-19 01:51:57 PM  

nein: Chup: AcneVulgaris: Chup: I had no idea Fark was full of so much anti-bike sentiment. You'd think half the people on here as kids had their puppies run over by a cyclist running a red light, who then stopped and told them that Santa wasn't real, the tooth fairy didn't exist, and that their parents were getting a divorce and it was all their fault.

Yes, cyclists can act like jerks, so can cars, so can pedestrians, so can everyone. Why the particular hate over bikes? Plus, that guy was riding a granny beach cruiser ON THE BEACH. I could see hating on some spandex clad speed demon, but this guy? Come on.

Fat farks idling in their cars are pissy to begin with... show them a cyclist decked out like a space homo from planet spandex, and he's gonna draw their ire.

I bike to work everyday in regular clothes and on a "regular" bike, and I definitely encounter some bikers who are complete tools to both cars and other bikers, acting like they own the road. On the other hand, about 95% of my trip is in a dedicated bike lane and I've almost been hit 10+ times by cars turning through the bike lane, using the bike lane to drive in or pass cars near intersections, and just generally not paying attention. I can see where the biker jerks get their rage from, cause at some point the lack of concern for your safety in the interest of saving a few seconds commuting starts to grate on you.


I'm with you. I'm both a biker and a driver, so I understand the complaints on both sides. Part of it is bad city design (bike-lane-converts-to-right-turn-lane is very poorly marked), but a large part of it is people who can't drive (whether with bikers or not) and bikers who flout the laws with arrogance. Fortunately, I've been knocked off my bike only once, and by a driver who was very apologetic, acknowledged guilt, and helped me back up, but I've had many near-misses on my bike or with my car that should have been easily preventable had the other person either been paying attention or given a ...


Yeah, I do completely agree it entirely depends on how they act after the fact. A driver who almost hits me but is apologetic and learns from their mistake isn't really that angering, but a driver who almost hit me then curses at me or honks at me for being "in the way" deserve to have a U-lock thrown through their windshield. I've been tempted a few times, but it just isn't even worth causing property damage.

I've never been knocked off fortunately, though I have been physically hit while moving slowly.
 
2013-01-19 02:09:51 PM  

macadamnut: Slappajo: I know right? Every time there's a traffic accident and the police have a lane of traffic blocked off and I have to merge into another lane, I always yell something at the cops.e have no idea why the cop was parked where he was...

A traffic accident in a bicycle lane?


You are getting completely stupid now.

We have absolutely no idea why the cop was parked where he was. For all we know, he may have spotted a drug sale or mugging and was dealing with that. A cyclist calls him out for being parked there, then proceeds to be an ass.

Anyone that acts like an ass, deserves the negative karma they receive

The moral of the story is? If someone is doing their job.... don't be an asshole. Someone might might end up having to wipe you.
 
2013-01-19 02:11:58 PM  

macadamnut: Slappajo: How is mouthing off to a cop (who was doing something completely unrelated to the bicyclist) as you go around him the "right" thing to do?

Saying "get out of the way, asshole" to some asshole who's in everybody's way is always the right thing to do.


I am disappointed.... I had originally thought you were a nice guy. Either you are having a bad day, or I was wrong.
 
2013-01-19 02:13:44 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Cop should have tazed his ass.
[cdn.blogs.babble.com image 500x473]


That photo reminds me of the joy I felt at Pike's firing.

/schadenfreude...I haz it
 
2013-01-19 02:15:54 PM  

CasperImproved: The moral of the story is? If someone is doing their job.... don't be an asshole. Someone might might end up having to wipe you.


I'm surprised cyclists in LA aren't all packing, actually. That would have gone much more smoothly, because if everyone is equally armed there's no uneven power to be abused.
 
2013-01-19 02:16:40 PM  
Easy way to solve this. Take the cop's motorcycle away and give him a bicycle.
 
2013-01-19 02:20:56 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: Most police officers will give you a break if you're not a dick.


What farking world do you live in?
 
2013-01-19 02:27:17 PM  

radiumsoup: Errk: Too bad we didn't see the whole incident....

You only need to see the first 5 seconds to get the gist... when the cop says "the reason I'm giving you a ticket is because you're arguing with me", he's crossed the line into indefensible territory, no matter what else may have happened off camera. Nobody forced the guy to become a cop, he should understand what it is he signed up for... which is to enforce the laws of his jurisdiction, not to give people "lessons" on being polite by summoning them to court. If he can't figure that out, he needs to get a different job.


It all goes back to treating people decent. If your not a dick to a cop, waitress, cashier, etc then  they will most likely be decent to you too.
 
2013-01-19 02:28:25 PM  

macadamnut: CasperImproved: The moral of the story is? If someone is doing their job.... don't be an asshole. Someone might might end up having to wipe you.

I'm surprised cyclists in LA aren't all packing, actually. That would have gone much more smoothly, because if everyone is equally armed there's no uneven power to be abused.


Not even a valid point. It could have been a woman that stopped with her baby carriage (maybe a pacifier dropped onto the path) on the way to the beech... and the "asshole" would likely still have been an asshole. the only difference is that the woman could not have appropriately provided a response.

And I still meant what I said, and you are still on the "stupid" path. Grow up.
 
2013-01-19 02:35:46 PM  

CasperImproved: macadamnut: Slappajo: I know right? Every time there's a traffic accident and the police have a lane of traffic blocked off and I have to merge into another lane, I always yell something at the cops.e have no idea why the cop was parked where he was...

A traffic accident in a bicycle lane?

You are getting completely stupid now.

We have absolutely no idea why the cop was parked where he was. For all we know, he may have spotted a drug sale or mugging and was dealing with that. A cyclist calls him out for being parked there, then proceeds to be an ass.

Anyone that acts like an ass, deserves the negative karma they receive

The moral of the story is? If someone is doing their job.... don't be an asshole. Someone might might end up having to wipe you.



If he's dealing with a drug sale or a mugging, he wouldn't be chasing after people on a granny bike (or, if he is just because the guy said some snarky things, then the officer ought to be fired immediately). He'd have to deal with the arrest and other stuff.

And if I were an officer dealing with a more serious crime and decided to pull someone over for being a jerk to me, I wouldn't justify the (traffic?) stop to that person's face by making up a bogus violation and complaining that he was being whiny. I think I could make that person feel plenty worse by saying, "You know, that girl on the tricycle who was next to me was almost run over, I was there to make sure she was OK."

Instead, this cop gave the impression that he was indeed just parking himself on the bike path. From the visuals I saw in the video, there was no reason he couldn't have parked his motorcycle on the grass or on the beach other than he didn't want to get sand on his tires.
 
2013-01-19 02:40:47 PM  
Good.
 
2013-01-19 02:42:14 PM  

CruiserTwelve: liam76: You are a "real cop" you don't think attitude tickets are a big deal.

And you got this belief from where? Could it be from this statement by me?: "I don't agree with attitude tickets so the cop was wrong in doing that ."


I wonder why you didn't finish the rest of that quote? Dishonest or did you already forget you said "I doubt this was as big a deal as it appears to be"

So my belief that you don't think it is a big deal is from you saying you doubt it is a big deal.

Should I have drawn some other conclusion from your statement?

People who write "attitude tickets" should be fired. People who think it is no big deal are almost as bad, and also have no business in law enforcement.
 
2013-01-19 02:46:08 PM  

Slappajo: radiumsoup: Slappajo: So why couldn't the bicyclist go around the cop, mind his own business, and keep his mouth shut?

Sounds like the bicyclist wanted some attention so he got it...

You should give lectures on the merits of liberty in a free society.

Oh, wait, no... I was thinking of someone else.

There's a difference between "liberty" and going out of your way to be an asshole.


Um.... what? That's like saying there's a difference between a V8 engine and a bowl of chopped cabbage. Of course there's a difference, one is a universally applicable philosophical construct and the other is a socially disruptive action made by an individual.

The concept of liberty gives the bicyclist the ability to be an asshole - but it does not give the cop, who is bound by strict rules of the use of extraordinary legal authority, the ability to use those police powers to restrict that liberty through the supposition of an imaginary infraction. That is, of course, unless you can cite the applicable code where "being an asshole" is grounds for receiving a ticket for speeding on a bicycle. If the cop had kept his mouth shut and given him the ticket for swerving out of the lane as he had indicated originally, we'd be having a different discussion about how the cop was simply blocking traffic - one that would very likely still come out in the bicyclist's favor given the data we know. Instead, we're discussing how the cop was an "official asshole" by exceeding his authority and got caught on camera. We expect the general public to be assholes, it's human nature to be selfish. But we expect police to take responsibility for the extraordinary powers they have. This cop clearly failed the test.
 
2013-01-19 02:46:25 PM  

Errk: radiumsoup: Errk: Too bad we didn't see the whole incident....

You only need to see the first 5 seconds to get the gist... when the cop says "the reason I'm giving you a ticket is because you're arguing with me", he's crossed the line into indefensible territory, no matter what else may have happened off camera. Nobody forced the guy to become a cop, he should understand what it is he signed up for... which is to enforce the laws of his jurisdiction, not to give people "lessons" on being polite by summoning them to court. If he can't figure that out, he needs to get a different job.

It all goes back to treating people decent. If your not a dick to a cop, waitress, cashier, etc then  they will most likely be decent to you too.


That statement is patent bullshiat. Millions of starving children would like a word with you. Most people in the world are treated like shiat.
 
2013-01-19 02:49:40 PM  

JosephFinn: Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, other people are breaking the law too, so you shouldn't ticket me! Waaaaaaaaaaaah, there are more serious crimes!


I was with you on that! Then you went and blew it.

JosephFinn: The dipshiat deserved his ticket for going out of his way to be a dick.


Yes. The whole "there are more serious crimes" whine is really, really lame, and people who use it are morons. And, Yes, in retrospect the guy probably would have been better off not saying a word to the police officer. If it was me I would have simply gone around him and muttered under my breath about him being a dick. But, I am not everyone. Others are more vocal than I am in these situations. Not only that, but the guy has a Constitutionally protected right to say what he said. He did not go out of his way to be a dick. He merely expressed his opinion to the police officer that he was blocking the path. The only person being a dick in the video is the police officer. He got a case of butt hurt over being told off by a cyclist and then tries to come up with any reason at all to ticket the guy.
 
2013-01-19 02:49:41 PM  
Making Farkers decide between cops anc cyclists: It's like dividing by zero.
 
2013-01-19 02:54:01 PM  

Errk: radiumsoup: Errk: Too bad we didn't see the whole incident....

You only need to see the first 5 seconds to get the gist... when the cop says "the reason I'm giving you a ticket is because you're arguing with me", he's crossed the line into indefensible territory, no matter what else may have happened off camera. Nobody forced the guy to become a cop, he should understand what it is he signed up for... which is to enforce the laws of his jurisdiction, not to give people "lessons" on being polite by summoning them to court. If he can't figure that out, he needs to get a different job.

It all goes back to treating people decent. If your not a dick to a cop, waitress, cashier, etc then  they will most likely be decent to you too.


If you're a dick to a waitress, you may have to wait a while longer while she tells the cook to slow down your order. If you're a dick to a cashier, you may get a dirty look behind your back and they might talk about you after you leave. But as the evidence here shows, if you're a dick to a cop, you may get a falsified ticket and have to defend yourself in court for something you didn't actually do. One of these things is not like the other. It all goes back to abuse of extraordinary police powers - something cashiers and waitresses don't have.

Now, I see where you're coming from - the guy could have handled it differently, certainly. But it really doesn't matter how he handled it - the cop abused his power (twice, if you want to get picky - once for blocking traffic, and once for falsifying a ticket), which was an entirely disproportionate response. The biker was entitled to argue the ticket, the cop took it personally and got vindictive. My douchbagometer shows level 3 for the biker, but level 8 for the cop.
 
2013-01-19 02:56:20 PM  

Mock26: The whole "there are more serious crimes" whine is really, really lame, and people who use it are morons. And, Yes, in retrospect the guy probably would have been better off not saying a word to the police officer. If it was me I would have simply gone around him and muttered under my breath about him being a dick. But, I am not everyone. Others are more vocal than I am in these situations. Not only that, but the guy has a Constitutionally protected right to say what he said. He did not go out of his way to be a dick. He merely expressed his opinion to the police officer that he was blocking the path. The only person being a dick in the video is the police officer. He got a case of butt hurt over being told off by a cyclist and then tries to come up with any reason at all to ticket the guy.


Well put.
 
2013-01-19 03:01:12 PM  

ttc2301: Making Farkers decide between cops anc cyclists: It's like dividing by zero.


It is like dividing infinity by zero!
 
2013-01-19 03:01:34 PM  

liam76: So my belief that you don't think it is a big deal is from you saying you doubt it is a big deal.

Should I have drawn some other conclusion from your statement?

People who write "attitude tickets" should be fired. People who think it is no big deal are almost as bad, and also have no business in law enforcement.


Sigh... Why do I always have to rewrite my posts at a fourth grade level so certain people don't draw stupid conclusions?

Here, try this: "I don't believe in attitude tickets so the cop was wrong in writing the guy a ticket simply because the guy had a bad attitude. I personally would not have written the guy a ticket in the same situation as far it can be inferred from the video. However, I don't think the situation, taken as a whole, was as serious as some people seem to be making it out to be. The cop stopped the guy and the situation lasted for ten minutes before the video starts. From that time delay we can assume there was nothing remarkable about the stop prior to that, and the bicyclist only decided to record the stop when he was told he was going to be issued a summons. I believe the cop was very likely going to release the guy without a summons, but something that occurred during that ten minute delay caused the cop to decide instead to issue a summons. Most likely was that the guy argued with the cop. Again, I would not have issued a summons under those circumstances and I disagree with the cop's decision to issue the summons. However, the cop didn't assault the kid or violate his constitutional rights as far as can be determined from the video. The cop simply made a decision that I would not have made. He based his decision to issue a ticket on the person's attitude, not his behavior. IF the cop wrote the summons based SOLELY on the guy's attitude and the cop did not have probable cause to believe a violation had occurred, then the cop DID violate the bicyclist's rights and should be harshly sanctioned. That does not appear to be the case in this matter."
 
2013-01-19 03:07:04 PM  

macadamnut: Krieghund: Tank_Fuzzbutt: My father was hired by the LAPD in 1949 and retired after 30 years. I think I can hear him spinning in his grave over what the LAPD has become.

I'm sure your dad was a good cop and a good man, but LAPD between 1949 and 1979 was no better than it is today.


What do base that on, good netiquette? His dad sounds like a genuine scumbag to me.

We have become a society where lying is polite and plain-speaking honesty is criminal. The police are creative contributors to society in this, and only this respect.


How can you call someone you have no knowledge of a scumbag? Why don't you save judgment on things you have more experience off? Perhaps video games?
 
2013-01-19 03:11:41 PM  

CruiserTwelve: liam76: So my belief that you don't think it is a big deal is from you saying you doubt it is a big deal.

Should I have drawn some other conclusion from your statement?

People who write "attitude tickets" should be fired. People who think it is no big deal are almost as bad, and also have no business in law enforcement.

Sigh... Why do I always have to rewrite my posts at a fourth grade level so certain people don't draw stupid conclusions?

Here, try this: "I don't believe in attitude tickets so the cop was wrong in writing the guy a ticket simply because the guy had a bad attitude. I personally would not have written the guy a ticket in the same situation as far it can be inferred from the video. However, I don't think the situation, taken as a whole, was as serious as some people seem to be making it out to be. The cop stopped the guy and the situation lasted for ten minutes before the video starts. From that time delay we can assume there was nothing remarkable about the stop prior to that, and the bicyclist only decided to record the stop when he was told he was going to be issued a summons. I believe the cop was very likely going to release the guy without a summons, but something that occurred during that ten minute delay caused the cop to decide instead to issue a summons. Most likely was that the guy argued with the cop. Again, I would not have issued a summons under those circumstances and I disagree with the cop's decision to issue the summons. However, the cop didn't assault the kid or violate his constitutional rights as far as can be determined from the video. The cop simply made a decision that I would not have made. He based his decision to issue a ticket on the person's attitude, not his behavior. IF the cop wrote the summons based SOLELY on the guy's attitude and the cop did not have probable cause to believe a violation had occurred, then the cop DID violate the bicyclist's rights and should be harshly sanctioned. That does not appear to be the case in this matter."



First off get your derp straight. The underlined portions don't agree.

Secondly he did write it solely on attitude, otherwise why would he start out writing it for going the wrong way and change his mind and pretend it was for going too fast.

Thirdly writing a ticket on "attitude" not action does violate his constitutional rights. Scumbag cops like your self who try and pretend otherwise and ignore it when it has pretty clearly happened are a big part of the problem.
 
2013-01-19 03:11:55 PM  

CruiserTwelve: IF the cop wrote the summons based SOLELY on the guy's attitude and the cop did not have probable cause to believe a violation had occurred, then the cop DID violate the bicyclist's rights and should be harshly sanctioned. That does not appear to be the case in this matter


I understand your point of view, but I think it's a bit of cognitive dissonance. Let me be specific here in the explanation so you don't think I'm irrationally attacking you.

The ticket was dropped after review. Therefore, we can infer that the ticket was improper. If the ticket was improper, and the officer admitted on camera that the reason for the ticket was improper, how can you then say that the bicyclist's rights were not violated?
 
2013-01-19 03:13:18 PM  

skinink: MFAWG: Tank_Fuzzbutt: MFAWG: Tank_Fuzzbutt: My father was hired by the LAPD in 1949 and retired after 30 years. I think I can hear him spinning in his grave over what the LAPD has become.

The legend is that LAPD is pretty tame compared to what it was in those days. Not sure how true that is, though.

Somewhat true. But the average citizen wasn't harassed like today. Back then the small percentage of the population with criminal behavior anybody they thought might possibly be a criminal or darker than a caramel had the fear put in them. The guy riding his bicycle was never a problem. There's a difference between rolling a perp for snatching a purse and tackling a skateboarder for skating where he shouldn't be.

There, fixed that for you.

I was reading a review about the movie "Gangster Squad" and the reviewer said the portrayal of LAPD cops in that movie wasn't close to how it was back in the 40s and so. The reviewer said a close portrayal of how the LA cops were like is shown in "LA Confidential" where the cops repeatedly tried to frame people for crimes they didn't commit and did anything to close a case, plus treated minorities like crap. One reference about LA cops.


L.A. confidential was quite spot on when it came to the Detectives and higher ups. The average patrolman was doing his job. In the movie there is a scene that refers to the Bloody Christmas where they beat up some guys in a holding cell that my father attested to being true. He was still young on the job and there was chatter on the radio about an officer loosing an eye to a scuffle. Many officers showed up to give the guy a beatdown. My father told me his T.O. instructed him to stay in the car until he returned which he did.
 
2013-01-19 03:16:55 PM  

radiumsoup: Um.... what? That's like saying there's a difference between a V8 engine and a bowl of chopped cabbage. Of course there's a difference, one is a universally applicable philosophical construct and the other is a socially disruptive action made by an individual.

The concept of liberty gives the bicyclist the ability to be an asshole - but it does not give the cop, who is bound by strict rules of the use of extraordinary legal authority, the ability to use those police powers to restrict that liberty through the supposition of an imaginary infraction. That is, of course, unless you can cite the applicable code where "being an asshole" is grounds for receiving a ticket for speeding on a bicycle. If the cop had kept his mouth shut and given him the ticket for swerving out of the lane as he had indicated originally, we'd be having a different discussion about how the cop was simply blocking traffic - one that would very likely still come out in the bicyclist's favor given the data we know. Instead, we're discussing how the cop was an "official asshole" by exceeding his authority and got caught on camera. We expect the general public to be assholes, it's human nature to be selfish. But we expect police to take responsibility for the extraordinary powers they have. This cop clearly failed the test.


I'm not saying what the cop did was right. Actually, I don't like cops for the most part.

I agree that the shouldn't have been ticketed and that the cop is an asshole too. BUT, it wasn't like this bicyclist was protesting a constitutional right or unjust law. He was being a dick by saying something when he went around the cop. The cyclist was the original dick then the officer was a dick him and over reached. The officer didn't infringe on any right until the cyclist initiated the verbal sparring.

And just for reference, I also think that if someone is a smart ass to someone else and the someone else punches the smart ass in the mouth, then the original smart ass got what he deserved.
 
2013-01-19 03:21:20 PM  

Slappajo: Bigjohn3592: Slappajo: So why couldn't the bicyclist go around the cop, mind his own business, and keep his mouth shut?

Sounds like the bicyclist wanted some attention so he got it...

Maybe he felt like doing the right thing instead.

He did, and he won. So you are invited go ahead and lick the gravy sweat off my nutz after my next 20 mile ride.

How is mouthing off to a cop (who was doing something completely unrelated to the bicyclist) as you go around him the "right" thing to do?


When the dopey officer was blocking a crowded trail for no reason, creating a safety hazard. Chris asked politely, too. That's sensible community leadership.
 
2013-01-19 03:21:54 PM  

radiumsoup: CruiserTwelve: IF the cop wrote the summons based SOLELY on the guy's attitude and the cop did not have probable cause to believe a violation had occurred, then the cop DID violate the bicyclist's rights and should be harshly sanctioned. That does not appear to be the case in this matter

I understand your point of view, but I think it's a bit of cognitive dissonance. Let me be specific here in the explanation so you don't think I'm irrationally attacking you.


The ticket was dropped after review.
Therefore, we can infer that the ticket was improper. If the ticket was improper, and the officer admitted on camera that the reason for the ticket was improper, how can you then say that the bicyclist's rights were not violated?


The ticket being dropped on review isn't good proof that the ticket was improper. A lot of stuff cops are going to do are judgement calls. Nobody is perfect and bad judgements will happen.

The problem here is that the cop said he was going to ticket him for going to wrong way, turns out he was allowed to and after the guy on the bike pointed that out the cop made up another reason. That makes it very clear he wasn't giving a ticket based on a bad judgement call on the guys actions (which can happen), but that he was giving a ticket based off of his attitude and fishing for any reason he could think of.
 
2013-01-19 03:22:39 PM  

Slappajo: And just for reference, I also think that if someone is a smart ass to someone else and the someone else punches the smart ass in the mouth, then the original smart ...


I guess that's where our disagreement stems from, then :)
 
2013-01-19 03:23:37 PM  

incrediculous: Slappajo: Bigjohn3592: Slappajo: So why couldn't the bicyclist go around the cop, mind his own business, and keep his mouth shut?

Sounds like the bicyclist wanted some attention so he got it...

Maybe he felt like doing the right thing instead.

He did, and he won. So you are invited go ahead and lick the gravy sweat off my nutz after my next 20 mile ride.

How is mouthing off to a cop (who was doing something completely unrelated to the bicyclist) as you go around him the "right" thing to do?

When the dopey officer was blocking a crowded trail for no reason, creating a safety hazard. Chris asked politely, too. That's sensible community leadership.


Maybe I missed part of the article, but how do you know he was blocking the trail for no reason?
 
2013-01-19 03:27:35 PM  

liam76: The ticket being dropped on review isn't good proof that the ticket was improper.


I think it is - why would they drop a ticket if they thought it was proper? If it were proper, wouldn't this be good PR for them to show how arguing with police has consequences? I'm sure that someone at the precinct saw this and facepalmed so hard it left a mark.

Other than that, I think we're arguing many of the same points.
 
2013-01-19 03:28:10 PM  

Carth: Ilmarinen: abhorrent1: Bicyclists are assholes and should be ticketed.

RectalFury: Let's send a memo, all gun owners who wish to participate are allowed to "practice" on all these bike assholes

skinink: I hate this story because it makes me defend the bicyclist. I feel dirty over it.

MFAWG: Didn't click on the link, because I was 100 pct sure this was another asshole bicyclist being and asshole.

Milos Hattrick: [cyclebicycle.files.wordpress.com image 584x285]

Stay fat, America.

Also, a speed limit for cyclists, seriously??

It looks like a mixed use path. If that is the case you need a speed limit to stop cyclists from going 20-30 mph and running over little old ladies walking their dog.


Definitely not a mixed-use path. Venice has a walkway for pedestrians and a bike path. Both are marked very clearly, and there's about 20 feet of grass separating them. The only time pedestrians are on the bike path is when they're crossing to get to the beach.

It's funny, I regularly see cyclists on the walkway, which is a big pain in the ass because the walkway tends to get pretty crowded, but I've never seen any of them stopped by a cop.
 
2013-01-19 03:30:10 PM  

Slappajo: radiumsoup: Um.... what? That's like saying there's a difference between a V8 engine and a bowl of chopped cabbage. Of course there's a difference, one is a universally applicable philosophical construct and the other is a socially disruptive action made by an individual.

The concept of liberty gives the bicyclist the ability to be an asshole - but it does not give the cop, who is bound by strict rules of the use of extraordinary legal authority, the ability to use those police powers to restrict that liberty through the supposition of an imaginary infraction. That is, of course, unless you can cite the applicable code where "being an asshole" is grounds for receiving a ticket for speeding on a bicycle. If the cop had kept his mouth shut and given him the ticket for swerving out of the lane as he had indicated originally, we'd be having a different discussion about how the cop was simply blocking traffic - one that would very likely still come out in the bicyclist's favor given the data we know. Instead, we're discussing how the cop was an "official asshole" by exceeding his authority and got caught on camera. We expect the general public to be assholes, it's human nature to be selfish. But we expect police to take responsibility for the extraordinary powers they have. This cop clearly failed the test.

I'm not saying what the cop did was right. Actually, I don't like cops for the most part.

I agree that the shouldn't have been ticketed and that the cop is an asshole too. BUT, it wasn't like this bicyclist was protesting a constitutional right or unjust law. He was being a dick by saying something when he went around the cop. The cyclist was the original dick then the officer was a dick him and over reached. The officer didn't infringe on any right until the cyclist initiated the verbal sparring.

And just for reference, I also think that if someone is a smart ass to someone else and the someone else punches the smart ass in the mouth, then the original smart ass got what he deserved.


Seems to me the officer blocking the bike path is the original smart ass.
 
2013-01-19 03:32:10 PM  

Slappajo: incrediculous: Slappajo: Bigjohn3592: Slappajo: So why couldn't the bicyclist go around the cop, mind his own business, and keep his mouth shut?

Sounds like the bicyclist wanted some attention so he got it...

Maybe he felt like doing the right thing instead.

He did, and he won. So you are invited go ahead and lick the gravy sweat off my nutz after my next 20 mile ride.

How is mouthing off to a cop (who was doing something completely unrelated to the bicyclist) as you go around him the "right" thing to do?

When the dopey officer was blocking a crowded trail for no reason, creating a safety hazard. Chris asked politely, too. That's sensible community leadership.

Maybe I missed part of the article, but how do you know he was blocking the trail for no reason?


Because there's no good reason to park a vehicle on that crowded bike trail. The boardwalk is wider, just on the other side of the berm about 5 yards away.
 
2013-01-19 03:35:05 PM  

CaptainFatass: Carth: Ilmarinen: abhorrent1: Bicyclists are assholes and should be ticketed.

RectalFury: Let's send a memo, all gun owners who wish to participate are allowed to "practice" on all these bike assholes

skinink: I hate this story because it makes me defend the bicyclist. I feel dirty over it.

MFAWG: Didn't click on the link, because I was 100 pct sure this was another asshole bicyclist being and asshole.

Milos Hattrick: [cyclebicycle.files.wordpress.com image 584x285]

Stay fat, America.

Also, a speed limit for cyclists, seriously??

It looks like a mixed use path. If that is the case you need a speed limit to stop cyclists from going 20-30 mph and running over little old ladies walking their dog.

Definitely not a mixed-use path. Venice has a walkway for pedestrians and a bike path. Both are marked very clearly, and there's about 20 feet of grass separating them. The only time pedestrians are on the bike path is when they're crossing to get to the beach.

It's funny, I regularly see cyclists on the walkway, which is a big pain in the ass because the walkway tends to get pretty crowded, but I've never seen any of them stopped by a cop.


My experience is exactly the opposite of this. The bike only path is generally filled with pedestrians.
 
2013-01-19 03:35:27 PM  

Slappajo: BUT, it wasn't like this bicyclist was protesting a constitutional right or unjust law. He was being a dick by saying something when he went around the cop.


He was, however, exercising a Constitutional right. Whether or not he was a dick is irrelevant.
 
2013-01-19 03:35:53 PM  

radiumsoup: liam76: The ticket being dropped on review isn't good proof that the ticket was improper.

I think it is - why would they drop a ticket if they thought it was proper? If it were proper, wouldn't this be good PR for them to show how arguing with police has consequences? I'm sure that someone at the precinct saw this and facepalmed so hard it left a mark.

Other than that, I think we're arguing many of the same points.



Sorry I wasn't clear. It could be improper because he made a bad judgement call. And a bad judgement call isn't a violation of your rights. Cops are people and they will make mistakes.

I think the video and his changing of what the ticket is for makes it pretty clear that this wasn't a problem with the cop making a bad call about the legality of the bikers actions but that he was making shiat up to ticket a guy who had said something he didn't like.
 
2013-01-19 03:40:33 PM  

CasperImproved: We have absolutely no idea why the cop was parked where he was. For all we know, he may have spotted a drug sale or mugging and was dealing with that.


Um, he obviously wasn't dealing with "a drug sale or mugging", because he was writing the cyclist a ticket.
 
2013-01-19 03:46:30 PM  

CruiserTwelve: I believe the cop was very likely going to release the guy without a summons, but something that occurred during that ten minute delay caused the cop to decide instead to issue a summons. Most likely was that the guy argued with the cop.
...
However, the cop didn't assault the kid or violate his constitutional rights
...
IF the cop wrote the summons based SOLELY on the guy's attitude... then the cop DID violate the bicyclist's rights and should be harshly sanctioned. That does not appear to be the case in this matter."


UM....
 
2013-01-19 03:46:42 PM  

liam76: Sorry I wasn't clear. It could be improper because he made a bad judgement call. And a bad judgement call isn't a violation of your rights. Cops are people and they will make mistakes.

I think the video and his changing of what the ticket is for makes it pretty clear that this wasn't a problem with the cop making a bad call about the legality of the bikers actions but that he was making shiat up to ticket a guy who had said something he didn't like.


Ahh, then I must not have been clear in my original statement... that's exactly what I meant by "improper"... the video evidence explicitly shows the ticket was given as an attitude adjustment, not due to an actual infraction... and that is the most likely reason for the retraction. I can't think of another reason for the retraction, to be honest. Without the video, I don't think it would have had been retracted, as there would be no evidence to show it was improperly written in the first place. As to judgment, it wasn't pulled because the cop saw him kinda-sorta go over the yellow line but he was viewing from a bad angle and his judgment was impaired by glare off the waves and some video camera later showed a different angle that proved there was no infraction... it was pulled because he flat out made up the charge and admitted so on tape. To that end, it's a clear violation of the bicyclist's rights.
 
2013-01-19 03:47:02 PM  

fredklein: CasperImproved: We have absolutely no idea why the cop was parked where he was. For all we know, he may have spotted a drug sale or mugging and was dealing with that.

Um, he obviously wasn't dealing with "a drug sale or mugging", because he was writing the cyclist a ticket.


Well if that cyclist didn't say anything the cop wouldn't have been forced to write him a ticket and he would have been able to stop that mugger.
 
2013-01-19 03:53:14 PM  

fredklein: CasperImproved: We have absolutely no idea why the cop was parked where he was. For all we know, he may have spotted a drug sale or mugging and was dealing with that.

Um, he obviously wasn't dealing with "a drug sale or mugging", because he was writing the cyclist a ticket.


Exactly, he's an absentminded cop parking his big motorcycle in a crowded bike lane as part of a ticket patrol. Chris' suggestion that he move was actually good advice, but Officer Gracey chose to interpret it differently.
 
2013-01-19 03:53:52 PM  

TheLopper: Here's a story where the cop admits to being a power hungry dickhead, and fark is still going after the civilian for being on a bike. With one doosh even citing some completely non-related incident involving a copmletely different cyclist.

Way to be, intertubes.




i483.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-19 03:58:38 PM  

Slappajo: Maybe I missed part of the article, but how do you know he was blocking the trail for no reason?


Because if he was blocking it for a reason, he would have been taking care of that, rather than ticketing the cyclist.
 
2013-01-19 04:39:17 PM  

CaptainFatass: Carth: Ilmarinen: abhorrent1: Bicyclists are assholes and should be ticketed.

RectalFury: Let's send a memo, all gun owners who wish to participate are allowed to "practice" on all these bike assholes

skinink: I hate this story because it makes me defend the bicyclist. I feel dirty over it.

MFAWG: Didn't click on the link, because I was 100 pct sure this was another asshole bicyclist being and asshole.

Milos Hattrick: [cyclebicycle.files.wordpress.com image 584x285]

Stay fat, America.

Also, a speed limit for cyclists, seriously??

It looks like a mixed use path. If that is the case you need a speed limit to stop cyclists from going 20-30 mph and running over little old ladies walking their dog.

Definitely not a mixed-use path. Venice has a walkway for pedestrians and a bike path. Both are marked very clearly, and there's about 20 feet of grass separating them. The only time pedestrians are on the bike path is when they're crossing to get to the beach.

It's funny, I regularly see cyclists on the walkway, which is a big pain in the ass because the walkway tends to get pretty crowded, but I've never seen any of them stopped by a cop.


Ah i didn't know that. Yea if it is bikes only a low speed limit is really pointless.
 
2013-01-19 04:44:40 PM  

liam76: Scumbag cops like your self


Our conversation is over. I don't debate with children.
 
2013-01-19 04:48:31 PM  

CruiserTwelve: liam76: Scumbag cops like your self

Our conversation is over. I don't debate with children.


...or with people who point out flaws in your argument, either, I guess.
 
2013-01-19 04:50:48 PM  

CruiserTwelve: liam76: Scumbag cops like your self

Our conversation is over. I don't debate with children.


You just slap the cuffs on them.
 
2013-01-19 04:54:51 PM  

CruiserTwelve: liam76: Scumbag cops like your self

Our conversation is over. I don't debate with children.


Hey cop, how did you become the douchebag you are to be a proud cop. Serious question. Is there a douche school you attend?
 
2013-01-19 04:55:48 PM  
I'm betting it's San Jose state university.
 
2013-01-19 04:57:05 PM  

radiumsoup: I understand your point of view, but I think it's a bit of cognitive dissonance. Let me be specific here in the explanation so you don't think I'm irrationally attacking you.

The ticket was dropped after review. Therefore, we can infer that the ticket was improper. If the ticket was improper, and the officer admitted on camera that the reason for the ticket was improper, how can you then say that the bicyclist's rights were not violated?


Here's my point. Say I stop you for speeding. I used a laser and got a good, valid measurement of your speed at 72 mph in a 55 mph zone. I clearly have probable cause to issue a summons. When I contact you, you tell me your mother is sick and just called you and you're in a hurry to get to her house to assist her. I use my judgement and decide not to write you a ticket.

Now, scenario two: I'm an asshole cop and I see as you go by that you're a member of a minority group that I don't like. I stop you and fabricate a reason just so I can check you for warrants and such. You argue with me so I decide to write you a ticket for the fabricated reason.

Third scenario: I stop you for the aforementioned 72 in a 55 and have good probable cause to issue a ticket, but I'm not in the mood to write tickets tonight so I decide I'm just gonna give you a warning and you're on your way. As I start describing the violation to you, you start arguing and giving me a general bad time. I decide to write you.

In the first scenario, I used my judgement and didn't write you a ticket. Good stop, good judgement, no issue. Scenario two, bad cop, should be sanctioned, probably terminated. Third cop, not something I would do but still okay in a legal and even ethical sense.

I'm seeing the cop in this incident as being scenario number 3. However, the more I look at it, the more I'm thinking scenario two. If he's a scenario two guy, then he deserves whatever penalty the chief decides.
 
2013-01-19 05:04:04 PM  

CruiserTwelve: radiumsoup: I understand your point of view, but I think it's a bit of cognitive dissonance. Let me be specific here in the explanation so you don't think I'm irrationally attacking you.

The ticket was dropped after review. Therefore, we can infer that the ticket was improper. If the ticket was improper, and the officer admitted on camera that the reason for the ticket was improper, how can you then say that the bicyclist's rights were not violated?

Here's my point. Say I stop you for speeding. I used a laser and got a good, valid measurement of your speed at 72 mph in a 55 mph zone. I clearly have probable cause to issue a summons. When I contact you, you tell me your mother is sick and just called you and you're in a hurry to get to her house to assist her. I use my judgement and decide not to write you a ticket.

Now, scenario two: I'm an asshole cop and I see as you go by that you're a member of a minority group that I don't like. I stop you and fabricate a reason just so I can check you for warrants and such. You argue with me so I decide to write you a ticket for the fabricated reason.

Third scenario: I stop you for the aforementioned 72 in a 55 and have good probable cause to issue a ticket, but I'm not in the mood to write tickets tonight so I decide I'm just gonna give you a warning and you're on your way. As I start describing the violation to you, you start arguing and giving me a general bad time. I decide to write you.

In the first scenario, I used my judgement and didn't write you a ticket. Good stop, good judgement, no issue. Scenario two, bad cop, should be sanctioned, probably terminated. Third cop, not something I would do but still okay in a legal and even ethical sense.

I'm seeing the cop in this incident as being scenario number 3. However, the more I look at it, the more I'm thinking scenario two. If he's a scenario two guy, then he deserves whatever penalty the chief decides.


The other option is try to be a decent human being and get out of the business of robbing people of their liberty.
 
2013-01-19 05:10:53 PM  

muck4doo: The other option is try to be a decent human being and get out of the business of robbing people of their liberty.


I'm not saying this from nothing. I used to be a repo guy throughout the Bay Area. San jose, San Francisco, Oakland, Richmond, you name it. I always felt i was doing everyone a favor going after deadbeats. My mother convinced me i had grown a cruel heart when I went repoing in oakland one christmas. I even joked about it. Afterwards i saw the truth and felt like shiat. Being a cop is like that. I'm sure you joined thinking you are protecting the public, but are you really? Tell me how the cop here was doing the right thing?
 
2013-01-19 05:11:51 PM  

CruiserTwelve: liam76: Scumbag cops like your self

Our conversation is over. I don't debate with children.


You think it is no big deal that a cop violated this guys constitutional rights.

That makes you a scumbag in my book.


CruiserTwelve: I'm seeing the cop in this incident as being scenario number 3. However, the more I look at it, the more I'm thinking scenario two. If he's a scenario two guy, then he deserves whatever penalty the chief decides


There is no way it isn't like scenario 2. If it was like scenario 3 he wouldn't have changed what he was writing him a summons for.

"Whatever the chief decides" really isn't a fitting punishment unless includes never being able to be a LEO again. Thinking otherwise makes you a scumbag cop in my book.

Cry some more about me being a child because I think people who violate your constitutional rights shouldn't be police officers, and those cops who think they should are scumbags.
 
2013-01-19 05:12:06 PM  

muck4doo: The other option is try to be a decent human being and get out of the business of robbing people of their liberty.


Are advocating elimination of all law enforcement?
 
2013-01-19 05:15:04 PM  

CruiserTwelve: muck4doo: The other option is try to be a decent human being and get out of the business of robbing people of their liberty.

Are advocating elimination of all law enforcement?


You know that isn't what I am saying. How do you justify this case? Imagine for one minute that this is your mother riding a bike. Are you telling me you would be fine with this?
 
2013-01-19 05:27:49 PM  
The job is Law Enforcement which means to make citizens obey the law by FORCE.

Cops like to use "Protect and Serve" as their motto, but it's just propaganda BS.
 
2013-01-19 05:32:12 PM  

muck4doo: CruiserTwelve: muck4doo: The other option is try to be a decent human being and get out of the business of robbing people of their liberty.

Are advocating elimination of all law enforcement?

You know that isn't what I am saying. How do you justify this case? Imagine for one minute that this is your mother riding a bike. Are you telling me you would be fine with this?


Georgia (the country) fired all of its traffic cops and traffic only got better.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4849472

I don't know if that kind of social experiment would scale up in a comparable fashion here, but it's interesting to think about.
 
2013-01-19 05:34:16 PM  

muck4doo: muck4doo: The other option is try to be a decent human being and get out of the business of robbing people of their liberty.

I'm not saying this from nothing. I used to be a repo guy throughout the Bay Area. San jose, San Francisco, Oakland, Richmond, you name it. I always felt i was doing everyone a favor going after deadbeats. My mother convinced me i had grown a cruel heart when I went repoing in oakland one christmas. I even joked about it. Afterwards i saw the truth and felt like shiat. Being a cop is like that. I'm sure you joined thinking you are protecting the public, but are you really? Tell me how the cop here was doing the right thing?


So what should happen when someone stops paying for their car? If repossession is cruel, what is the alternative?
 
2013-01-19 05:38:21 PM  

redmid17: muck4doo: CruiserTwelve: muck4doo: The other option is try to be a decent human being and get out of the business of robbing people of their liberty.

Are advocating elimination of all law enforcement?

You know that isn't what I am saying. How do you justify this case? Imagine for one minute that this is your mother riding a bike. Are you telling me you would be fine with this?

Georgia (the country) fired all of its traffic cops and traffic only got better.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4849472

I don't know if that kind of social experiment would scale up in a comparable fashion here, but it's interesting to think about.


It's not anything like that. People who can't pay their bills are looked at like scum. I was part of the Repo Scene in the 90's. That is what it is like. It pays the bills, but you also lose something in the process. I may sound funny for naming my mother, but she was right. There is nothing good in making money off the poor. There was nothing right with that at all, and i am ashamed i did.
 
2013-01-19 05:41:45 PM  

muck4doo: redmid17: muck4doo: CruiserTwelve: muck4doo: The other option is try to be a decent human being and get out of the business of robbing people of their liberty.

Are advocating elimination of all law enforcement?

You know that isn't what I am saying. How do you justify this case? Imagine for one minute that this is your mother riding a bike. Are you telling me you would be fine with this?

Georgia (the country) fired all of its traffic cops and traffic only got better.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4849472

I don't know if that kind of social experiment would scale up in a comparable fashion here, but it's interesting to think about.

It's not anything like that. People who can't pay their bills are looked at like scum. I was part of the Repo Scene in the 90's. That is what it is like. It pays the bills, but you also lose something in the process. I may sound funny for naming my mother, but she was right. There is nothing good in making money off the poor. There was nothing right with that at all, and i am ashamed i did.


you're responding to the wrong post, hoss.
 
2013-01-19 05:41:55 PM  

CruiserTwelve: muck4doo: muck4doo: The other option is try to be a decent human being and get out of the business of robbing people of their liberty.

I'm not saying this from nothing. I used to be a repo guy throughout the Bay Area. San jose, San Francisco, Oakland, Richmond, you name it. I always felt i was doing everyone a favor going after deadbeats. My mother convinced me i had grown a cruel heart when I went repoing in oakland one christmas. I even joked about it. Afterwards i saw the truth and felt like shiat. Being a cop is like that. I'm sure you joined thinking you are protecting the public, but are you really? Tell me how the cop here was doing the right thing?

So what should happen when someone stops paying for their car? If repossession is cruel, what is the alternative?


Try looking at each situation individually. That would be my ideal, but, I also realize it isn't realistic. There are good people that struggle. There are bad people trying to get one over. I don't have an answer.
 
2013-01-19 05:43:01 PM  
This cop is a first class troll.

1. Cause people to break the law
2. Ticket people for breaking the law
3. Profit!
 
2013-01-19 05:45:10 PM  

CruiserTwelve: Deathfrogg: It would seem that individuals who receive such assignments are often the people that the superiors want to keep out of the way for a period. The Seattle Detective I know has said this in so many words. The assholes and dumbasses get the shiat assignments and are kept out of the way of doing real police work and often don't get promoted. Of course, this probably only reinforces their behavior by frustrating their own sense of superhero/crimefighter status, but it is their own attitude that gets them into the situation.

A well-run police department bureaucracy understands that a certain percentage of jerks, bullies, liars and sociopaths will get through the training and culling process. The departments that are having discipline issues or a lot of brutality complaints are the ones that have forsaken the culling process in favor of merely keeping the positions filled. Probably because the job is crap and doesn't pay enough.

It's hard to maintain a good attitude when the outside observers nitpick every aspect of ones work. The departments that have the most problems have consciously made the decision to ignore the problems and complaints and go out of their way to protect the jerks instead of getting them off the force. This only serves to reinforce the critics' position.

Police Departments need to do a much better job of weeding out the assholes. It must be much easier to fire a cop for wrongdoing or lazy behavior. Any act of perjury or unnecessary brutality should be ...

I agree with everything you said but I'll add this:  In my experience with three different law enforcement agencies, cops that are bullies rarely last very long. They burn out quickly because they find out police work is generally boring and repetitious, or they get tired of being constantly scrutinized and disciplined for their bad behavior. The problem is that they can create a lot of bad puiblicity in the short period of time that they wear a uniform.

The profession, by its nature ...


did you miss the part where the motorcycle cop parked his motorcycle on the bike path, thereby forcing riders to cross the line?
 
2013-01-19 06:30:17 PM  

CruiserTwelve: Are advocating elimination of all law enforcement?


No, that would be too messy. Just fire them.
 
2013-01-19 08:02:07 PM  

CruiserTwelve: Here's my point. Say I stop you for speeding. I used a laser and got a good, valid measurement of your speed at 72 mph in a 55 mph zone. I clearly have probable cause to issue a summons. When I contact you, you tell me your mother is sick and just called you and you're in a hurry to get to her house to assist her. I use my judgement and decide not to write you a ticket.

Now, scenario two: I'm an asshole cop and I see as you go by that you're a member of a minority group that I don't like. I stop you and fabricate a reason just so I can check you for warrants and such. You argue with me so I decide to write you a ticket for the fabricated reason.

Third scenario: I stop you for the aforementioned 72 in a 55 and have good probable cause to issue a ticket, but I'm not in the mood to write tickets tonight so I decide I'm just gonna give you a warning and you're on your way. As I start describing the violation to you, you start arguing and giving me a general bad time. I decide to write you.

In the first scenario, I used my judgement and didn't write you a ticket. Good stop, good judgement, no issue. Scenario two, bad cop, should be sanctioned, probably terminated. Third cop, not something I would do but still okay in a legal and even ethical sense.

I'm seeing the cop in this incident as being scenario number 3. However, the more I look at it, the more I'm thinking scenario two. If he's a scenario two guy, then he deserves whatever penalty the chief decides.


Thanks for that, that's a reasonable description. (We could argue over the ethics of #3, but that's not going to be a very fun argument to follow.) My point is that the cop isn't the one who dropped the ticket - his superiors did after reviewing it, so it's clearly not a scenario #3 situation anyway.
 
2013-01-19 10:42:36 PM  
FTFA: "The reason why I'm going to write you for unsafe speed is because you are arguing with me,"

Another power drunk jackass
 
2013-01-19 11:32:18 PM  

Tank_Fuzzbutt: macadamnut: Krieghund: Tank_Fuzzbutt: My father was hired by the LAPD in 1949 and retired after 30 years. I think I can hear him spinning in his grave over what the LAPD has become.

I'm sure your dad was a good cop and a good man, but LAPD between 1949 and 1979 was no better than it is today.


What do base that on, good netiquette? His dad sounds like a genuine scumbag to me.

We have become a society where lying is polite and plain-speaking honesty is criminal. The police are creative contributors to society in this, and only this respect.

How can you call someone you have no knowledge of a scumbag? Why don't you save judgment on things you have more experience off? Perhaps video games?


I have anecdotal knowledge that the guy was a Los Angeles cop for thirty years. What possible reason could someone other than a scumbag have for doing that? The reason CruiserTwelve pops into every cops-abusing-real-Americans thread to point out that only a few cops are bullies and those don't last long, is that exactly the reverse is the true.
 
2013-01-19 11:32:59 PM  
the true? Yeah. Good night, suckers.
 
2013-01-20 01:26:39 AM  

CruiserTwelve: If he's a scenario two guy, then he deserves whatever penalty the chief decides

, aka paid administrative leave.

Cop Speak Translator™ activated!
 
2013-01-20 01:26:40 AM  

Mock26: Slappajo: BUT, it wasn't like this bicyclist was protesting a constitutional right or unjust law. He was being a dick by saying something when he went around the cop.

He was, however, exercising a Constitutional right. Whether or not he was a dick is irrelevant.


There's a constitutional right to ride a bicycle in whichever lane you wish to ride in?
 
2013-01-20 10:48:57 AM  

macadamnut: Tank_Fuzzbutt: macadamnut: Krieghund: Tank_Fuzzbutt: My father was hired by the LAPD in 1949 and retired after 30 years. I think I can hear him spinning in his grave over what the LAPD has become.

I'm sure your dad was a good cop and a good man, but LAPD between 1949 and 1979 was no better than it is today.


What do base that on, good netiquette? His dad sounds like a genuine scumbag to me.

We have become a society where lying is polite and plain-speaking honesty is criminal. The police are creative contributors to society in this, and only this respect.

How can you call someone you have no knowledge of a scumbag? Why don't you save judgment on things you have more experience off? Perhaps video games?

I have anecdotal knowledge that the guy was a Los Angeles cop for thirty years. What possible reason could someone other than a scumbag have for doing that? The reason CruiserTwelve pops into every cops-abusing-real-Americans thread to point out that only a few cops are bullies and those don't last long, is that exactly the reverse is the true.


Ah. You must be that small percent of the population that my father would speak of. The 5% that causes 95% of the problems in society through inability to follow laws. I bet your the guy that diddles himself in public.
The reason anyone works for 30 years at a job is to raise a family and retire with a nice pension.
 
2013-01-20 04:05:29 PM  
drtfa

It's not a real pig until a dog gets shot for no reason

/fark pigs
//double fark asshole cyclists
 
2013-01-20 11:03:54 PM  
Next week's news: Chris Jackson of Venice found dead in his apartment after being handcuffed and shot in the back sixteen times. Police rule it a suicide.
 
2013-01-22 01:45:58 AM  

Slappajo: Mock26: Slappajo: BUT, it wasn't like this bicyclist was protesting a constitutional right or unjust law. He was being a dick by saying something when he went around the cop.

He was, however, exercising a Constitutional right. Whether or not he was a dick is irrelevant.

There's a constitutional right to ride a bicycle in whichever lane you wish to ride in?


No, but there is this thing caused the 1st Amendment, and this entire incident (supposedly) started because the guy said something to the cop for blocking the lane with his motorcycle. Claiming he was ticketing him for riding in the wrong lane was just BS, because the cop was blocking the right lane.
 
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