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2013-01-19 11:46:41 AM
Better technique

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2013-01-19 11:48:40 AM

MadCat221: Here's a secret: Guns have a range advantage over an unarmed man, even a 7th Degree Black-belt.


Only an idiot would stand that close to someone with a gun. If you don't keep your distance, you're screwed.
 
2013-01-19 11:50:24 AM
 
2013-01-19 11:51:05 AM
JUST DO THE GHOST DANCE!!!!! peaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwww

ROADHOUSE!
 
2013-01-19 11:55:01 AM

One Bad Apple: Carth: I_C_Weener: Sensei Can You See: DrPainMD: Only a complete moran would stand that close. And, to see if the technique really works, let's put live ammo in the gun and see if he can grab the other guy's trigger hand without shooting himself in the face.

This just in -- a lot of carjackers and armed robbers are complete morans.

I know Marx -- I've seen him do the drill with snap cap rounds in the gun and ask the bad guy to try to shoot him. Doesn't happen.

He's a little young to be a 7th degree in karate.  Must be that belt factory sport, Tae Kwon Do.

Or he created his own martial art and awarded himself a 7th degree...

After some googling it looks like he is a 7th degree blackbelt in Keichu-do, which was created by Karl W. Marx.


Here's a kinda' long but thorough debunking of this particular clown and his goofy claims


Wow, this guy created a martial art?

upload.wikimedia.org

It looks like the originator of Keichi Do may have been a good martial artists in his own right, having his form of karate recognized, and winning some titles.  But it still seems pretty sketchy to me.  I learned karate under a 5th degree who is the same age as me.  He won't reach 7th degree until he's around 60 or 65.  Saying you are a certain degree black belt in anything is like saying you have a college degree.  Okay, Associates, junior college, what major, 4 years, or 5 years to get...how long ago...stuff like that becomes relevant.
 
2013-01-19 11:55:25 AM

skinbubble: Relevant.


Classic.
 
2013-01-19 11:55:46 AM

I_C_Weener: If he's a black belt, why's he need my gun?


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2013-01-19 11:56:05 AM

I_C_Weener: One Bad Apple: Carth: I_C_Weener: Sensei Can You See: DrPainMD: Only a complete moran would stand that close. And, to see if the technique really works, let's put live ammo in the gun and see if he can grab the other guy's trigger hand without shooting himself in the face.

This just in -- a lot of carjackers and armed robbers are complete morans.

I know Marx -- I've seen him do the drill with snap cap rounds in the gun and ask the bad guy to try to shoot him. Doesn't happen.

He's a little young to be a 7th degree in karate.  Must be that belt factory sport, Tae Kwon Do.

Or he created his own martial art and awarded himself a 7th degree...

After some googling it looks like he is a 7th degree blackbelt in Keichu-do, which was created by Karl W. Marx.


Here's a kinda' long but thorough debunking of this particular clown and his goofy claims

Wow, this guy created a martial art?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x310]

It looks like the originator of Keichi Do may have been a good martial artists in his own right, having his form of karate recognized, and winning some titles.  But it still seems pretty sketchy to me.  I learned karate under a 5th degree who is the same age as me.  He won't reach 7th degree until he's around 60 or 65.  Saying you are a certain degree black belt in anything is like saying you have a college degree.  Okay, Associates, junior college, what major, 4 years, or 5 years to get...how long ago...stuff like that becomes relevant.


That sheds some light on things.
 
2013-01-19 11:56:55 AM
How do I disarm a snake in your boot?

/trick question: snakes don't have arms. Therefore, you die.
 
2013-01-19 11:58:42 AM

One Bad Apple: Carth: I_C_Weener: Sensei Can You See: DrPainMD: Only a complete moran would stand that close. And, to see if the technique really works, let's put live ammo in the gun and see if he can grab the other guy's trigger hand without shooting himself in the face.

This just in -- a lot of carjackers and armed robbers are complete morans.

I know Marx -- I've seen him do the drill with snap cap rounds in the gun and ask the bad guy to try to shoot him. Doesn't happen.

He's a little young to be a 7th degree in karate.  Must be that belt factory sport, Tae Kwon Do.

Or he created his own martial art and awarded himself a 7th degree...

After some googling it looks like he is a 7th degree blackbelt in Keichu-do, which was created by Karl W. Marx.


Here's a kinda' long but thorough debunking of this particular clown and his goofy claims


Interesting article. Someone obviously was curious enough to spend a lot of time researching Keichu-Do. About what I expected from someone claiming a gun disarm is useful enough to practice regularly.
 
2013-01-19 12:00:59 PM

Carth: I_C_Weener: Sensei Can You See: DrPainMD: Only a complete moran would stand that close. And, to see if the technique really works, let's put live ammo in the gun and see if he can grab the other guy's trigger hand without shooting himself in the face.

This just in -- a lot of carjackers and armed robbers are complete morans.

I know Marx -- I've seen him do the drill with snap cap rounds in the gun and ask the bad guy to try to shoot him. Doesn't happen.

He's a little young to be a 7th degree in karate.  Must be that belt factory sport, Tae Kwon Do.

Or he created his own martial art and awarded himself a 7th degree...

After some googling it looks like he is a 7th degree blackbelt in Keichu-do, which was created by Karl W. Marx.


One of the reasons I stopped watching UFC a long time ago was that during the pre-match interviews a lot of the guys would brag about how they had invented their own kind of martial art. Then the match would start and after a couple punches it was just two guys hugging each other on the floor.
 
2013-01-19 12:02:07 PM

leevis: Carth: I_C_Weener: Sensei Can You See: DrPainMD: Only a complete moran would stand that close. And, to see if the technique really works, let's put live ammo in the gun and see if he can grab the other guy's trigger hand without shooting himself in the face.

This just in -- a lot of carjackers and armed robbers are complete morans.

I know Marx -- I've seen him do the drill with snap cap rounds in the gun and ask the bad guy to try to shoot him. Doesn't happen.

He's a little young to be a 7th degree in karate.  Must be that belt factory sport, Tae Kwon Do.

Or he created his own martial art and awarded himself a 7th degree...

After some googling it looks like he is a 7th degree blackbelt in Keichu-do, which was created by Karl W. Marx.

One of the reasons I stopped watching UFC a long time ago was that during the pre-match interviews a lot of the guys would brag about how they had invented their own kind of martial art. Then the match would start and after a couple punches it was just two guys hugging each other on the floor.


art.penny-arcade.com
/obligatory
 
2013-01-19 12:03:02 PM
We should get him in the same room as this guy.

Link
 
2013-01-19 12:04:26 PM

skinink: Would have been a lot cooler if the guy didn't have to set himself before trying to get the gun, the perp wasn't just holding the gun out there like he wanted to be disarmed, and that he wasn't farking smiling like an idiot to begin with.
On the other hand, my favorite martial arts video: Pimp vs. Karate Instructor.


This reminds me of this.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_vvI26NnwE

"Like a lot of beginning students, you attacked me wrong."  Start it at 1:34
 
2013-01-19 12:05:23 PM
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Break the wrist, walk away.
 
2013-01-19 12:06:53 PM

pxlboy: That sheds some light on things.


Not sure what you mean.
 
2013-01-19 12:08:38 PM

vossiewulf: The guy spends a lifetime perfecting a technique which can be defeated by... standing two feet farther away.


did you miss this?
 
2013-01-19 12:10:27 PM

I_C_Weener: pxlboy: That sheds some light on things.

Not sure what you mean.


My earlier comment about a friend of mine who is about a year younger with a 7th Dan in a Korean style. Now, he's a competent martial artist, but your mention of reaching that level at such an advanced age along with other comments about black belt mills got me thinking.
 
2013-01-19 12:10:46 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: vossiewulf: The guy spends a lifetime perfecting a technique which can be defeated by... standing two feet farther away.

did you miss this?


I just saw that.  Holy shiat that is crazy stuff.
 
2013-01-19 12:10:51 PM
Well, I think it was a cool video, even if no one else is impressed. Taking someones gun would be fun, especially if you made a clever comment while doing it. Maybe you could do a fight club reference: "The gun is in my hand..." Gunman gets confused, then you immediately take the gun. If the guy responds with "Hey, good for you, doesn't change a thing" then you let him go.
 
2013-01-19 12:12:36 PM

Pocket Ninja: You'd think that drinking all that beer would slow his reaction time.

And I prefer the much more tried-and-tested martial arts technique of disarming a gun-wielding attacked by throwing a spinning hook that sends the gun sailing from the assailant's hand. Another good option, if you are actually looking to take control of the weapon, is to do a jumping front snap kick that hits the bottom of the attacker's hand. This will cause the gun to go spinning up in the air over the attacker's head. You can then throw another snap kick to his stomach and follow that up (while he's doubled over with pain) with another kick to his head, which will knock him out of the way and possibly off his feet. Then you can leap forward (a roll will work here if you need to cover more ground) and catch then gun as it begins to fall. Remain in your defensive crouch with the weapon trained on your attacker until you are confident that the area is clear.


I prefer letting my backup deal w/ threat from high ground.
But, that is just me. All that rolling and bouncing, mehh.
The best way to deal with an armed attacker is to not be there as quickly as possible.
 
2013-01-19 12:12:38 PM

you are a puppet: Well, I think it was a cool video, even if no one else is impressed. Taking someones gun would be fun, especially if you made a clever comment while doing it. Maybe you could do a fight club reference: "The gun is in my hand..." Gunman gets confused, then you immediately take the gun. If the guy responds with "Hey, good for you, doesn't change a thing" then you let him go.


what if the other guy is also a 7th degree black belt? You'd be stuck there in a one gun Mexican standoff for eternity
 
2013-01-19 12:13:06 PM

skinbubble: Relevant.


Beauty thanx!
 
2013-01-19 12:14:50 PM

pxlboy: I_C_Weener: pxlboy: That sheds some light on things.

Not sure what you mean.

My earlier comment about a friend of mine who is about a year younger with a 7th Dan in a Korean style. Now, he's a competent martial artist, but your mention of reaching that level at such an advanced age along with other comments about black belt mills got me thinking.


Oh, yeah.  I was ready to test for 2d in Shorei Goju Ryu and lost interest.  It took me about 5 years to get there.  That style and that instructor is very slow in advancing people to black belt and beyond.  He loved to point out the difference in general between karate and Tae Kwon Do in that TKD tended to be a franchise business designed to advance people as fast as possible while karate styles tended to go much slower.  He claimed his mid-level belts were easily the equivalent of 1st and 2d degree TKD students.  I wouldn't know really.  TKD is fun to watch though.  I entered one tournament at age 37, won it, and was done with competition.  But there isn't much competition at that age.
 
2013-01-19 12:14:50 PM

leevis:


One of the reasons I stopped watching UFC a long time ago was that during the pre-match interviews a lot of the guys would brag about how they had invented their own kind of martial art. Then the match would start and after a couple punches it was just two guys hugging each other on the floor.


I have been a big fan of MMA ever since the early 90's. I sorely miss the days where some phony McDojo scammer would drink enough of his own kool aid and start to believe his own laughably superhuman and even supernatural claims of fighting ability. They'd step into the cage and within 10 seconds of for reals fighting all those pretty spinning kicks and flowery looking stances and katas would be abandoned faster than a prom night dumpster baby and it looked like EVERY fight you ever saw since 3rd grade recess.

Too many people think the martial arts they see in the movies actually work like that.
 
2013-01-19 12:17:55 PM

pxlboy: /obligatory


So I'm not the only one. Thanks!
 
2013-01-19 12:18:01 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: vossiewulf: The guy spends a lifetime perfecting a technique which can be defeated by... standing two feet farther away.

did you miss this?


wow
 
2013-01-19 12:18:10 PM
images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-01-19 12:22:46 PM
Oooh, looks like we got a bunch of badasses in here....
 
2013-01-19 12:23:23 PM

One Bad Apple: leevis:


One of the reasons I stopped watching UFC a long time ago was that during the pre-match interviews a lot of the guys would brag about how they had invented their own kind of martial art. Then the match would start and after a couple punches it was just two guys hugging each other on the floor.

I have been a big fan of MMA ever since the early 90's. I sorely miss the days where some phony McDojo scammer would drink enough of his own kool aid and start to believe his own laughably superhuman and even supernatural claims of fighting ability. They'd step into the cage and within 10 seconds of for reals fighting all those pretty spinning kicks and flowery looking stances and katas would be abandoned faster than a prom night dumpster baby and it looked like EVERY fight you ever saw since 3rd grade recess.

Too many people think the martial arts they see in the movies actually work like that.


Agreed, that's why I was always fascinated by Machida being successful with a background in Karate.
 
2013-01-19 12:23:48 PM
My black belt holds up my pants. This dude wears pajamas. Some belts are just more useful.
 
SH
2013-01-19 12:25:28 PM
That's the dumbest thing I ever saw.

/stand back 3 feet, brains on the floor. DUH
 
2013-01-19 12:26:04 PM

pxlboy: leevis: Carth: I_C_Weener: Sensei Can You See: DrPainMD: Only a complete moran would stand that close. And, to see if the technique really works, let's put live ammo in the gun and see if he can grab the other guy's trigger hand without shooting himself in the face.

This just in -- a lot of carjackers and armed robbers are complete morans.

I know Marx -- I've seen him do the drill with snap cap rounds in the gun and ask the bad guy to try to shoot him. Doesn't happen.

He's a little young to be a 7th degree in karate.  Must be that belt factory sport, Tae Kwon Do.

Or he created his own martial art and awarded himself a 7th degree...

After some googling it looks like he is a 7th degree blackbelt in Keichu-do, which was created by Karl W. Marx.

One of the reasons I stopped watching UFC a long time ago was that during the pre-match interviews a lot of the guys would brag about how they had invented their own kind of martial art. Then the match would start and after a couple punches it was just two guys hugging each other on the floor.

[art.penny-arcade.com image 800x468]
/obligatory


It says something about the fans of UFC in that they like watching men engage in something that has homoerotic overtures.
 
2013-01-19 12:28:21 PM
Its always easy when you do it one at a time.

dl.dropbox.com
Lets see him set a real record.
 
SH
2013-01-19 12:29:19 PM

Latinwolf: homoerotic overtures


Oooh, decent screen name?
 
2013-01-19 12:29:36 PM
This is exactly why I always carry a gun that fires backwards when the magazine is removed.
 
2013-01-19 12:31:25 PM

Latinwolf: pxlboy: leevis: Carth: I_C_Weener: Sensei Can You See: DrPainMD: Only a complete moran would stand that close. And, to see if the technique really works, let's put live ammo in the gun and see if he can grab the other guy's trigger hand without shooting himself in the face.

This just in -- a lot of carjackers and armed robbers are complete morans.

I know Marx -- I've seen him do the drill with snap cap rounds in the gun and ask the bad guy to try to shoot him. Doesn't happen.

He's a little young to be a 7th degree in karate.  Must be that belt factory sport, Tae Kwon Do.

Or he created his own martial art and awarded himself a 7th degree...

After some googling it looks like he is a 7th degree blackbelt in Keichu-do, which was created by Karl W. Marx.

One of the reasons I stopped watching UFC a long time ago was that during the pre-match interviews a lot of the guys would brag about how they had invented their own kind of martial art. Then the match would start and after a couple punches it was just two guys hugging each other on the floor.

[art.penny-arcade.com image 800x468]
/obligatory

It says something about the fans of UFC in that they like watching men engage in something that has homoerotic overtures.


Wow, I have never heard that joke before. You should go tell all the gun owners in the gun gun control threads they have small dicks too.
 
2013-01-19 12:31:26 PM
"The way you're practicing isn't the exact way it will always occur in real life." -What to say if you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
2013-01-19 12:31:33 PM

dr_blasto:

The disarm stuff is funny. Rifle disarm


I like the part where he actually aimed the muzzle into his own gut.
 
2013-01-19 12:36:23 PM
He is attempting to set a record, not trying to save his life. Much like a high jumper is going for the highest jump, he is attempting the fastest disarm. Nobody is shooting at him, he is just displaying the quickest disarm for the record.  Folks here are saying "well if the shooter was X feet away, that'd NEVER work!" While being true, that is not the point here.

....just saying
 
2013-01-19 12:36:25 PM
He's not faster than this guy.
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2013-01-19 12:36:28 PM

Carth: One Bad Apple: Carth: I_C_Weener: Sensei Can You See: DrPainMD: Only a complete moran would stand that close. And, to see if the technique really works, let's put live ammo in the gun and see if he can grab the other guy's trigger hand without shooting himself in the face.

This just in -- a lot of carjackers and armed robbers are complete morans.

I know Marx -- I've seen him do the drill with snap cap rounds in the gun and ask the bad guy to try to shoot him. Doesn't happen.

He's a little young to be a 7th degree in karate.  Must be that belt factory sport, Tae Kwon Do.

Or he created his own martial art and awarded himself a 7th degree...

After some googling it looks like he is a 7th degree blackbelt in Keichu-do, which was created by Karl W. Marx.


Here's a kinda' long but thorough debunking of this particular clown and his goofy claims

Interesting article. Someone obviously was curious enough to spend a lot of time researching Keichu-Do. About what I expected from someone claiming a gun disarm is useful enough to practice regularly.


You should see the efforts the Brazilian Jiu Jitsu community will go through when they think someone is a fake or McDojo black belt.

Part of making fun of these guys is because its easy. Still, some is because people want to keep their preferred art free of the crapfest TKD turned in to. Also, these "made up my own style" types are selling false security to their students.
 
2013-01-19 12:37:41 PM

thoughtsausage: dr_blasto:

The disarm stuff is funny. Rifle disarm

I like the part where he actually aimed the muzzle into his own gut.


Also note: the magazine is a weapon into itself!
 
2013-01-19 12:38:21 PM

leevis: Carth: I_C_Weener: Sensei Can You See: DrPainMD: Only a complete moran would stand that close. And, to see if the technique really works, let's put live ammo in the gun and see if he can grab the other guy's trigger hand without shooting himself in the face.

This just in -- a lot of carjackers and armed robbers are complete morans.

I know Marx -- I've seen him do the drill with snap cap rounds in the gun and ask the bad guy to try to shoot him. Doesn't happen.

He's a little young to be a 7th degree in karate.  Must be that belt factory sport, Tae Kwon Do.

Or he created his own martial art and awarded himself a 7th degree...

After some googling it looks like he is a 7th degree blackbelt in Keichu-do, which was created by Karl W. Marx.

One of the reasons I stopped watching UFC a long time ago was that during the pre-match interviews a lot of the guys would brag about how they had invented their own kind of martial art. Then the match would start and after a couple punches it was just two guys hugging each other on the floor.


Pretty much how most "real" fights go, minus eye gouging, fish hooking and biting..
Take an olympic level freestyle wrestler versus an olympic level tae kwan doe competitor in an all out, no rules brawl, the wrestler is going to whip his ass 9 times out of 10
It's a lot harder to knock someone out cold then the movies make it, the human hand makes a much better grasping instrument than it does a bludgeon.
 
2013-01-19 12:39:42 PM
Just chiming in on the whole TKD belt mills thing. My father-in-law is disgusted by them and through my wife and him I've learned that there are actually two sets of TKD schools in the States. The ATA-style of "Pay us a year's membership and earn your blackbelt!" and his school's take on it, "Earn your first degree when you earn your first degree, now practice again."

He's a 70 year old Korean Grand Master, I'm under 30 and I fear for my life when I get within striking distance.

Sun Yi's: www.sunyis.com

/Fark didn't like the link.
 
2013-01-19 12:41:52 PM
Meh. As he's grabbing my gun, I would have reached for my knife with my other hand and stabbed him in the neck. And...as I'm doing this, I'd be simultaneously raising my right leg and aiming to kick him in his balls as hard as I've ever kicked a man in his balls before. And....as I'm doing all this, I will be retching to achieve a spitball of the most choicest consistency that will be launched into his eyes (yeah, both of them) with such immense force, it would blind him permanently.

Basically, I win. I know it works as I've done it before. And I'd do it again.
 
2013-01-19 12:44:44 PM

blottoman: Better technique

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20 years later
 
2013-01-19 12:46:42 PM

GungFu: Meh. As he's grabbing my gun, I would have reached for my knife with my other hand and stabbed him in the neck. And...as I'm doing this, I'd be simultaneously raising my right leg and aiming to kick him in his balls as hard as I've ever kicked a man in his balls before. And....as I'm doing all this, I will be retching to achieve a spitball of the most choicest consistency that will be launched into his eyes (yeah, both of them) with such immense force, it would blind him permanently.

Basically, I win. I know it works as I've done it before. And I'd do it again.


I would just keep the other hand on the trigger for suicide vest.
 
2013-01-19 12:46:48 PM

Latinwolf: It says something about the fans of UFC in that they like watching men engage in something that has homoerotic overtures


I think it says something about you when the first thing that comes to mind when two men are fighting in as close as you can legally get to a street fight is "Gay".
 
2013-01-19 12:47:19 PM

vossiewulf: The guy spends a lifetime perfecting a technique which can be defeated by... standing two feet farther away.


This. When I took karate in high school, our instructor showed us this technique. One of the other students asked "What if the guy with the gun is across the street from you?"

"Duck behind a car."

Heh. That's fast, no doubt, but yeah - two feet, a driver's side window, moving shooter ... any variable changes in that equation, and the technique is nice in theory.
 
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