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2013-01-19 09:05:22 AM  

Suede head: Or the fact that the Soviet Union was monitoring it too and accepted the American victory in the Space Race.

Uh, the Soviets were first in everything but the race to the moon. They won the space race.


If you say so. I guess that is why they quit exploring beyond low earth orbit for almost 30 years. Or why everybody will be surprised if they ever get anything beyond low earth orbit ever again or actually replace the Soyuz. Winners don't need continue to push the envelope eh?
 
2013-01-19 09:20:46 AM  

bbfreak: Suede head: Or the fact that the Soviet Union was monitoring it too and accepted the American victory in the Space Race.

Uh, the Soviets were first in everything but the race to the moon. They won the space race.

If you say so. I guess that is why they quit exploring beyond low earth orbit for almost 30 years. Or why everybody will be surprised if they ever get anything beyond low earth orbit ever again or actually replace the Soyuz. Winners don't need continue to push the envelope eh?


You realize OUR space program is paying them to take our people into space...right?

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500202_162-20077851.html

Winning, you're doing it Charlie Sheen style.
 
2013-01-19 09:41:24 AM  

Hacker_X: Jim_Callahan:
To be fair, the moon landing was a huge effort, so something like a quarter of us have grandparents or parents that were directly involved (my grandfather was a NASA employee, for instance).

I don't think I have any blood relatives that worked on any of that stuff but when I was a kid I did go to church with a guy that was sort of a surrogate grandfather to me. He was on the ground crew for Apollo 11. i wish I could remember his name. I still have a NASA hardhat labeled as being for the ground crew on that mission and a box of spare parts. Yes, I really do have a box of spare rocket parts from NASA. Nothing too terribly exciting, just some cable couplers but for a kid who was obsessed with space those were two of the most awesome gifts I ever could have even possibly received. Close behind those was a military supply drop parachute. I can't count how many neighborhood injuries can directly be attributed to me and other idiot kids having a parachute and no real understanding of physics.

Also, if people think we weren't going to the moon then where do they think those giant rockets with tons and tons of fuel we being fired to? Those weren't just shown on TV/film. There were crowds of people watching those launches, Or at the other end of the problem where do they suppose the capsules full of astronauts were being dropped from?


There were no astro-naughts on board those rockets. And those launches were just routine ICBM test launches with a bunch of space nutter theater thrown in.

Sheeple

I don't really belive any of that.
 
2013-01-19 09:41:44 AM  
Why can't these people question things worth questioning?
 
2013-01-19 09:43:58 AM  
I have an uncle who I know worked on the mercury and Gemini projects, can't remember if he did any specific work on Apollo but as they all kind of fed in to each other it wouldn't surprise me. When I was fairly young I remember listening to a cassette tape he had of the conversation between the astronauts and mission control leading up to and just after the landing.
 
2013-01-19 09:48:02 AM  

the801: there was absolutely no way to fake it at the time. Even the cameras needed to fake it didn't exist back then.

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Kubrick directed the fake moon landing and left secret clues sprinkled all around The Shining. Obama is a Kenyan Dictator Antichrist. LBJ killed JFK. Lanza was programmed by the Government to murder children. George HW Bush is a lizard. The Bilderbergs control EVERYTHING.

/ ok I believe the last one. Maybe LBJ too.
 
2013-01-19 10:01:45 AM  
The moon landing was faked. Everyone knows that aliens gave us all out technology and a timeline for its release. We had the technology to fake it but the aliens would let us "invent it" until later in....

hold on someone is at the door

As I was saying, its obvious to everyone that the moon landing was real.
 
2013-01-19 10:16:41 AM  
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2013-01-19 10:38:16 AM  

Suede head: Or the fact that the Soviet Union was monitoring it too and accepted the American victory in the Space Race.

Uh, the Soviets were first in everything but the race to the moon. They won the space race.


No one will consider you great if you cant win the big one. The moon was the prize, they lost.
 
2013-01-19 10:40:11 AM  
As my father says, after working on several of the missions, it might not have gone to the moon, but it sure as heck went somewhere with a whole bunch of noise.
/born at Patrick AFB
//Banana river viewing was great, mom said. Dad said it was better nearer the pad.
 
2013-01-19 10:44:32 AM  
The technology to fake it didn't exist, but the technology to shoot people to the moon did? I'm not a hoaxer, but that's pretty lame definitive proof.
 
2013-01-19 10:47:07 AM  
I hired a smart woman a couple years ago. A year later I found out she's a Moon Landing Skeptic. Then I found out she's a super Christian. I never asked if she thought Jesus rode a dinosaur. I was afraid to know the answer. We reorged and she wound up working for someone else, and I was kind of relieved. How can I look across the table at review time and take her seriously? She did a good job though, so...
 
2013-01-19 10:50:07 AM  

gadian: The technology to fake it didn't exist, but the technology to shoot people to the moon did? I'm not a hoaxer, but that's pretty lame definitive proof.


Not if it is correct. And it is.
 
2013-01-19 10:52:22 AM  

encyclopediaplushuman: The guy is very entertaining and funny, I like it. If you ever really needed proof, shoot a laser at the retro-reflectors we left on the Moon.


Please do not use this point when trying to debunk the moon hoaxers. The Russians put two laser reflectors on the moon but they never landed men on the moon.

This is not proof of men landing on the moon ... only proof that the technology existed to get something to the moon in a controlled fashion.
 
2013-01-19 11:15:00 AM  

vinniethepoo: I remember that our teachers had TV sets brought into the classrooms so we could watch the moon landing live. My brother was a metallurgist, working at San Dia labs at the time, and was part of the team that analyzed the moon rocks after the mission. He sent me a bunch of 8x10 prints of pictures taken during the mission. Wish I still had those.


Holy hell how long was your school day?
 
2013-01-19 11:17:20 AM  

RussianPooper: Suede head: Or the fact that the Soviet Union was monitoring it too and accepted the American victory in the Space Race.

Uh, the Soviets were first in everything but the race to the moon. They won the space race.

No one will consider you great if you cant win the big one. The moon was the prize, they lost.


18-1, biatches.
 
2013-01-19 11:18:07 AM  

abadabba: Good video. Near the end the guy actually gives a technical rundown from a film perspective of what would need to be done to fake the moon landings. Which would be monumentally difficult and require specialized equipment the film industry had never seen up to that point. I could just see a Moon landing denier jumping on that and saying "See? you just listed off how to do it and ruined your own argument."


Actually, that part is quite unconvincing. Yes, Hollywood had nothing of the sort because they didn't need it. I strongly suspect such equipment already did exist, though--for spy planes. You don't change film cans in a spy plane. They get in, shoot as much film as they can and get out.

Mythbusters totally busted it, though--slow motion doesn't look like the guys on the moon. If it was faked it wasn't by slow motion and thus the whole discussion of what you can do with slow motion is moot.
 
2013-01-19 11:36:23 AM  

Loren: I strongly suspect such equipment already did exist, though--for spy planes. You don't change film cans in a spy plane. They get in, shoot as much film as they can and get out.


I'm pretty sure spy places don't have a need to shoot high speed film to make slow-mo. Quite the opposite as far as frame rate goes, I would imagine.
 
2013-01-19 11:38:58 AM  

RoyHobbs22: LBJ killed JFK


Wrong, Oswald was hired by Joe DiMaggio as revenge for his killing of Marylin Monroe, when he discovered he put a hit on the wrong Kennedy he then had RFK wiped out.
 
2013-01-19 11:40:57 AM  

Frozboz: Great video. The guy makes a real point. By putting faith into these wackjob conspiracies (which, by the way can be proven false by the physical proof ON THE MOON that we landed there), we ignore some real, actual conspiracies of a less dramatic but possibly more dangerous nature going on around us.


Like the true purpose of aglets?
 
2013-01-19 11:43:40 AM  
The only conspiracy theory I am believing is that Oswald was a patsy for the Mafia.

Moon landing definitely happened
 
2013-01-19 11:45:44 AM  

born_yesterday: RussianPooper: Suede head: Or the fact that the Soviet Union was monitoring it too and accepted the American victory in the Space Race.

Uh, the Soviets were first in everything but the race to the moon. They won the space race.

No one will consider you great if you cant win the big one. The moon was the prize, they lost.

18-1, biatches.


Tell it to Tom Brady in 2007
 
2013-01-19 11:46:03 AM  

Lady Indica: bbfreak: Suede head: Or the fact that the Soviet Union was monitoring it too and accepted the American victory in the Space Race.

Uh, the Soviets were first in everything but the race to the moon. They won the space race.

If you say so. I guess that is why they quit exploring beyond low earth orbit for almost 30 years. Or why everybody will be surprised if they ever get anything beyond low earth orbit ever again or actually replace the Soyuz. Winners don't need continue to push the envelope eh?

You realize OUR space program is paying them to take our people into space...right?

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500202_162-20077851.html

Winning, you're doing it Charlie Sheen style.


Hmm...

http://blog.chron.com//sciguy/2011/04/adding-up-the-final-tab-for-the - space-shuttle-program-1-5-billion-per-launch/

..from the article you linked,

The cost of seats aboard the Soyuz capsules - $55.8 million for each astronaut

..I would liken this to saving a buck by letting the existing short distance haulers' handle the loads, while we spend the left over we're saving not using the shuttle on developing the NEXT stage of exploration - longer missions farther out, and allow private industry to develop their systems..

Dragon capsules are viable now... and likely will be cheaper than the Russians sooner rather than later.

WINNING, indeed.
 
2013-01-19 11:47:30 AM  

H31N0US: I hired a smart woman a couple years ago. A year later I found out she's a Moon Landing Skeptic. Then I found out she's a super Christian. I never asked if she thought Jesus rode a dinosaur. I was afraid to know the answer. We reorged and she wound up working for someone else, and I was kind of relieved. How can I look across the table at review time and take her seriously? She did a good job though, so...


Well, they do like money.

Or they actually believe it's real. Yikes!
 
2013-01-19 11:48:37 AM  

born_yesterday: RussianPooper: Suede head: Or the fact that the Soviet Union was monitoring it too and accepted the American victory in the Space Race.

Uh, the Soviets were first in everything but the race to the moon. They won the space race.

No one will consider you great if you cant win the big one. The moon was the prize, they lost.

18-1, biatches.


Amusing, but it doesn't quite work as an analogy in this case, since they won 3 titles previous to that hilarious outcome. A better comparison would have been Dan Marino.
 
2013-01-19 11:51:29 AM  
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LEAVE DAN MARINO ALONE!
 
2013-01-19 11:59:20 AM  
What other things can we say never happened?

I've got one. Atomic bomb don't exist, they're just a fabrication to keep populations in line.

/have YOU ever seen an atomic blast?
 
2013-01-19 12:06:47 PM  

Lady Indica: bbfreak: Suede head: Or the fact that the Soviet Union was monitoring it too and accepted the American victory in the Space Race.

Uh, the Soviets were first in everything but the race to the moon. They won the space race.

If you say so. I guess that is why they quit exploring beyond low earth orbit for almost 30 years. Or why everybody will be surprised if they ever get anything beyond low earth orbit ever again or actually replace the Soyuz. Winners don't need continue to push the envelope eh?

You realize OUR space program is paying them to take our people into space...right?

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500202_162-20077851.html

Winning, you're doing it Charlie Sheen style.


Just to add to what Drakuun has said, that we are paying the Russian's for access to space in the short term is pretty irrelevant. Dragon will hopefully be flying Americans to ISS in 2015 (Soyuz's replacement wont be ready until 2020 assuming it gets off the drawing board). Ambitious as a goal that is I'm not going to hedge any bets against Space X. Especially considering they've already got a space proven spacecraft. Gaps between manned spaceflights are an unfortunate political reality, this isn't the first gap we've had. Its good that we have access to space at all, even if we have to pay the Russians.
 
2013-01-19 12:30:54 PM  
I read somewhere that if you challenge a fanatical believer with a load of facts, he paradoxically will become even more entrenched in his beliefs. This video will have the opposite of the intended effect on the conspiracy theorists.
 
2013-01-19 12:33:18 PM  

Loren: Actually, that part is quite unconvincing. Yes, Hollywood had nothing of the sort because they didn't need it. I strongly suspect such equipment already did exist, though--for spy planes. You don't change film cans in a spy plane. They get in, shoot as much film as they can and get out.


I just found a link that purports to have some info on the cameras. IIRC, in Andromeda Strain the camera IS said to have the ability to shoot at higher speeds than normal. Whether that was for plot, I don't know, but it certainly seemed like something they would build in to allow for greater analysis.

Not that it was used for faking the moon landings.

Even though Kubrick did have special experience with lenses. Perhaps this was how he acquired it, not through still photography.
/poking holes is fun
//unless you're doing it in velvet to make fake stars, I hear.
 
2013-01-19 12:45:26 PM  
I do enjoy claiming that the moon landing was a hoax because then I get to see every engineer around me go into apoplexy...
 
2013-01-19 12:49:59 PM  

Fano: Frozboz: Great video. The guy makes a real point. By putting faith into these wackjob conspiracies (which, by the way can be proven false by the physical proof ON THE MOON that we landed there), we ignore some real, actual conspiracies of a less dramatic but possibly more dangerous nature going on around us.

Like the true purpose of aglets?


Their true purpose is sinister.
 
2013-01-19 01:10:47 PM  

AsprinBurn: You know the moon landing wasn't faked because you can look at the moon through a telescope and see Neil Armstrong's bones there. I mean the real Armstrong, not the thing that came back.


Between this and the soundstage on the moon, this thread is awesome.
 
2013-01-19 01:33:40 PM  
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2013-01-19 01:47:46 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: People who deny the Moon landing ARE idiots. All you need to do is look up there with a telescope and see the landers and junk we've left there.


Said telescope does not exist. Even if you used Hubble all you would see is a dot, not really proof that we left stuff there.

That being said, it wasn't faked.
 
2013-01-19 01:51:00 PM  
gadian: "The technology to fake it didn't exist, but the technology to shoot people to the moon did? I'm not a hoaxer, but that's pretty lame definitive proof."

By that logic, WWII never happened. I mean, nuclear bombs, jet planes, cruise missiles, rockets, radar, computers, encryption, electronic proximity fuzes? Yeah, right. Ten years before we were still flying fabric and wood planes and didn't even know the neutron existed.

What's so hard to understand? Putting lots of kerosene into a tube vs being able to manipulate matter into becoming millions and billions of transistors on a tiny wafer, and the math required to compress and manipulate video...

What is it you don't get about those two things being vastly different, and therefore incommensurable?
 
2013-01-19 01:53:11 PM  
I inherently and passionately disagree with him just based on the fact he is an over-aged smarmy hipster douche.
 
2013-01-19 02:06:07 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: gadian: "The technology to fake it didn't exist, but the technology to shoot people to the moon did? I'm not a hoaxer, but that's pretty lame definitive proof."

By that logic, WWII never happened. I mean, nuclear bombs, jet planes, cruise missiles, rockets, radar, computers, encryption, electronic proximity fuzes? Yeah, right. Ten years before we were still flying fabric and wood planes and didn't even know the neutron existed.

What's so hard to understand? Putting lots of kerosene into a tube vs being able to manipulate matter into becoming millions and billions of transistors on a tiny wafer, and the math required to compress and manipulate video...

What is it you don't get about those two things being vastly different, and therefore incommensurable?


I think the main point isn't so much the technology necessary being so far advanced for 1969... but the real crux (to me) was the whole point of having thousands and thousands of frames, all of which needed to be absolutely free of any artifact that would prove its film.  And that is pretty much impossible.  One stray hair, scratch, etc... and your cover is blown.
 
2013-01-19 02:06:31 PM  
Just gonna leave this here for giggles.
 
2013-01-19 02:13:53 PM  
We gave the Russians some lunar samples after Apollo 11 came back. Part of the reason was scientific goodwill, part of it was to hand over the proof that we really went there. When the Russians flew a robotic sample return mission a few years later, they compared their samples to ours...

...and didn't say a thing.
 
2013-01-19 02:39:29 PM  

I sound fat: I dont think this was faked, but articles that openly mock people who have looked at the evidence and come to a conclusion different from their own on a contraversial issue as "idots" always raise a red flag with me.

although, I would characterize six percent of people in america to BE idiots, so maybe. It just always seems like the author of these types of articles is just trying to strengthen his own position by degrading the other side.


You, sir, are stupid.
You see, there is something known as a 'fact' as in something that is true, that actually happened.
When facts are presented to you and YOU get suspicious the problem is not with the facts but with you and your inability to accept them.
 
2013-01-19 03:11:22 PM  
If Lance Armstrong never biked to the moon, then where did he get the steroids?
 
2013-01-19 04:19:17 PM  

MrEricSir: If Lance Armstrong never biked to the moon, then where did he get the steroids?


Dude, you are confusing the biker with the astronaut, Louis Armstrong.
 
2013-01-19 04:56:54 PM  

Harry_Seldon: MrEricSir: If Lance Armstrong never biked to the moon, then where did he get the steroids?

Dude, you are confusing the biker with the astronaut, Louis Armstrong.


no no no..that was Billy Jean Armstrong from Green Day who sang Beat It
 
2013-01-19 04:58:46 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com

RIP M-O-O-N
 
2013-01-19 04:59:33 PM  

I sound fat: I dont think this was faked, but articles that openly mock people who have looked at the evidence and come to a conclusion different from their own on a contraversial issue as "idots" always raise a red flag with me.

although, I would characterize six percent of people in america to BE idiots, so maybe. It just always seems like the author of these types of articles is just trying to strengthen his own position by degrading the other side.


ahh those old "Contraversial Idots"....

/only 6%?
 
2013-01-19 05:02:51 PM  
Every child in China is taught that the USA faked the moon landings, some friends we have there, eh?

Shop Wal-Mart!
 
2013-01-19 05:10:24 PM  

Apik0r0s: Every child in China is taught that the USA faked the moon landings, some friends we have there, eh?

Shop Wal-Mart!


Why would anyone think the Chinese are our friends?
 
2013-01-19 05:39:01 PM  

Haliburton Cummings: Harry_Seldon: MrEricSir: If Lance Armstrong never biked to the moon, then where did he get the steroids?

Dude, you are confusing the biker with the astronaut, Louis Armstrong.

no no no..that was Billy Jean Armstrong from Green Day who sang Beat It


I think that just about covers it, then.
 
2013-01-19 06:34:43 PM  
This is one conspiracy theory I never understood at all. Not in the least bit. There is a thin line between being wary about something and flat out being paranoid to a mentally unstable degree. I'm all about questioning things, but people need to be realistic.
 
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