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2013-01-18 07:53:52 PM  
It's on FOX?
 
2013-01-18 08:05:49 PM  
It's produced by Joss Whedon?
 
2013-01-18 08:09:14 PM  
Someone on the show has a baby?
 
2013-01-18 08:53:48 PM  
 
2013-01-18 09:16:50 PM  
A Dane Cook special?
 
2013-01-18 10:35:45 PM  
jj abrams is in the credits ?
 
2013-01-18 11:08:21 PM  

phlegmmo: A Dane Cook special?


The end would be the best part.
 
2013-01-19 12:49:47 AM  
It has J.J. Abrams' name on it?

alienated: jj abrams is in the credits ?


damn
 
2013-01-19 01:57:07 AM  

Chariset: It's produced by Joss Whedon?


Buffy was ended beautifully.
 
2013-01-19 02:01:27 AM  
They use the 'Hand of God' to thwart unthwartable foe
 
2013-01-19 02:04:00 AM  
I got a feeling "last resort" is gonna leave me hangin'..

/wish they could do a webisode wrap up or even a couple writer made scripts to tie up loose ends
 
2013-01-19 02:07:26 AM  
www.quantumleap-alsplace.com
 
2013-01-19 02:17:08 AM  
Or if you have a show about people who travel from 1963 to the present, and there's some handwaving to explain why they're not confused by cellphones and the internet.

I think they're talking about "Alcatraz" but I wish they would just say it.


"Oh, we don't have time to explain what was in that humidor that everybody was trying to get three years ago - because we're too busy introducing a brand new mystery, about a structure out in the desert that wasn't there yesterday but appears to be thousands of years old. Also, we're going to introduce a whole new secret society that has a mysterious agenda that will make all the stuff that confused you in previous seasons three times more confusing. No, we're not trying to use sleight of hand to distract you from the lack of resolution, why would you think that?"

"Alias"? This is becoming frustrating. Are they being intentionally obscure?
 
2013-01-19 02:31:18 AM  

fusillade762: "Alias"? This is becoming frustrating. Are they being intentionally obscure?

X-Files

, maybe.
 
2013-01-19 03:13:52 AM  
Someone totally annoying becomes a "fan favorite" character

You know who I'm talking about - the character who was sort of cute when they stood in the back and had the occasional funny line. Or someone who was a mysterious, shadowy figure, until we learned all about him or her. Or someone who was always sort of obnoxious and jerky, but less goody-two-shoes than the rest of the cast. In any case, sometimes a vocal group of fans will latch on to a particular character as a "fan favorite," and start clamoring for him/her to get more screen time. And the producers oblige, until suddenly the whole show is about this character, instead of the people you thought it was about all this time. And that usually means the resolution is going to be really, really weird.



fc09.deviantart.net
 
2013-01-19 03:23:12 AM  

doglover: Someone totally annoying becomes a "fan favorite" character

You know who I'm talking about - the character who was sort of cute when they stood in the back and had the occasional funny line. Or someone who was a mysterious, shadowy figure, until we learned all about him or her. Or someone who was always sort of obnoxious and jerky, but less goody-two-shoes than the rest of the cast. In any case, sometimes a vocal group of fans will latch on to a particular character as a "fan favorite," and start clamoring for him/her to get more screen time. And the producers oblige, until suddenly the whole show is about this character, instead of the people you thought it was about all this time. And that usually means the resolution is going to be really, really weird.


[fc09.deviantart.net image 556x405]


No, no, that one was avoided by the "butthurt so-called fans decide to pretend to be offended and pressure big company to send character to the cornfield with threats of negative press" clause in the rule.
 
2013-01-19 03:31:16 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: No, no, that one was avoided by the "butthurt so-called fans decide to pretend to be offended and pressure big company to send character to the cornfield with threats of negative press" clause in the rule.


That's why she's sad. I'd watch the Derpy Hooves Muffin Hour.
 
2013-01-19 04:28:42 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: It has J.J. Abrams' name on it?

alienated: jj abrams is in the credits ?

damn


is that one of those virtual fistbump things ? cause i could so do that right now. bump.bmp
 
2013-01-19 06:02:21 AM  
Someone totally annoying becomes a "fan favorite" character

i.imgur.com

Bazinga


/My hate for that show burns brighter than a thousand suns because of him.
 
2013-01-19 06:02:43 AM  
You've dragged it out for so long for ratings you've missed all opportunities for ending it with any impact? (House)
 
2013-01-19 06:05:48 AM  
I think they're trying to cover pretty much every show ever.

Also, I'm not sure when it happened (probably around the time OMGSPOILERS became a big thing) but it's all about the ending now and I'm sick of it. People won't bother to watch a show at all if they've heard it has a bad final episode. Lost, BSG, Sopranos... Despite the show being 99% awesome, people won't watch it because they didn't have everything planned out from the beginning or something.

It's a really stupid way to watch tv and it almost always leads to disappointment.
 
2013-01-19 06:10:49 AM  
You mean all of them?

It's a very rare show indeed that wound up all the loose ends, ended on a high note, and made sure there could never be an awful, humiliating spin-off. Either the show just stops because it didn't get renewed--and there was no "series finale" (very common in the 60's and 70's); or there was a series finale and then the fans demanded to know "what happened next" so the network gave it to them and milked a season or two out of some horrible spin-off (After MASH and Joanie loves Chachi spring to mind); or the show was going to be canceled but the fans pulled a "Trekkie" on them and the network grudgingly gave them one more season--that was when we were getting those bizarre "it was all a dream!" and the terrorists-crashed-Alexis's-wedding seasons. We won't even talk about the X-Files "Let's end the series by having a movie" finales.

I can't think of more than a handful of shows in the last 50 years that got to have a good solid series finale that ended the show for good and all, tied up all the loose ends, and finished it off in such a way that there could not be a spin-off. "NYPD Blue" is the only one I can think of off the top of my head that wrapped everything and ended it, after some weirdity and fumbling.
 
2013-01-19 06:16:55 AM  
They blow all of their good storylines and then coast for a couple more seasons on the boxed drama and lazy conflict of character relationships?

/won't watch arc-driven TV any more until the series is wrapped and I've got solid assurances that it is worth the time
 
2013-01-19 06:18:17 AM  

Summoner101: You've dragged it out for so long for ratings you've missed all opportunities for ending it with any impact? (House)


House?

IIRC, That show ended after season 5, when House walked into the insane asylum. I mean, it's not like they would keep dragging it on, put House and Cuddy together then refuse to bring Cuddy back for the final season, and end the show with the stupidest, most out of character, happy ending they could come up with.

Nope. House ended after season 5, and was consistently a great show. End of story.
 
2013-01-19 06:18:57 AM  
The series finale that started it all:
media.cleveland.com
 
2013-01-19 06:20:21 AM  

LonMead: The series finale that started it all:
[media.cleveland.com image 850x850]


Just don't buy the single DVD sets, because they feature a butchered, synthesizer soundtrack and replacement music. It's the complete series with restored music or nothing.
 
2013-01-19 06:27:30 AM  

swahnhennessy: They blow all of their good storylines and then coast for a couple more seasons on the boxed drama and lazy conflict of character relationships?

/won't watch arc-driven TV any more until the series is wrapped and I've got solid assurances that it is worth the time


And there's the guy I was talking about. What's wrong with just enjoying each episode as it happens and not worrying about the finale? You might miss out on something cool.
 
2013-01-19 06:33:04 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: [www.quantumleap-alsplace.com image 720x540]


Thanks. Still hurts after all these years.
 
2013-01-19 06:35:55 AM  
Another fairly solid series ender:
www.starstills.com

And yeah, FirstNationalBastard, I buy whole sets and seasons at a time, as up to date as I can get.
 
2013-01-19 06:42:15 AM  

LDM90: And there's the guy I was talking about. What's wrong with just enjoying each episode as it happens and not worrying about the finale? You might miss out on something cool.


Finale? I was clearly talking about entire seasons.
 
2013-01-19 07:04:39 AM  

Snapper Carr: Someone totally annoying becomes a "fan favorite" character

[i.imgur.com image 240x300]

Bazinga


/My hate for that show burns brighter than a thousand suns because of him.


Nope...not even close for the most "fan favorite" obnoxious character. That goes to Steve Urkel on Family Matters.
 
2013-01-19 07:24:12 AM  
Of course they throw in Urkle:

Someone totally annoying becomes a "fan favorite" character


COME ON! He was what made that farking show
 
2013-01-19 07:33:27 AM  
They're right about LOST. When Locke was killed... ugh. That show had potential, but that episode *felt* wrong.
 
2013-01-19 07:33:55 AM  
They forgot 'Hey, let's drop one of the finest series ever made and start a show called Jon from Cincinnati'
 
2013-01-19 07:41:12 AM  

Frozboz: They're right about LOST. When Locke was killed... ugh. That show had potential, but that episode *felt* wrong.


Notice that Lost had nearly every one of those descriptions?
 
2013-01-19 07:47:44 AM  
Article could have been great if it had included examples. Without them it sucks.
 
2013-01-19 07:48:23 AM  
How many of these categories does The Office fall under?
 
2013-01-19 07:51:15 AM  
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7544052/81991770#c81991770" target="_blank">godwin5</a>:</b> <i>Snapper Carr: Someone totally annoying becomes a "fan favorite" character

[i.imgur.com image 240x300]

Bazinga


/My hate for that show burns brighter than a thousand suns because of him.

Nope...not even close for the most <strike>"fan favorite"</strike> obnoxious character. That goes to <strike>Steve Urkel on Family Matters</strike> Scrappy farking Do.</i>

/Second place goes to Cousin Oliver
//get off my lawn.
 
2013-01-19 07:53:14 AM  
What's with the HTMLFail?
 
2013-01-19 08:08:26 AM  

Shadow Blasko: Chariset: It's produced by Joss Whedon?

Buffy was ended beautifully.


I thought it was a rushed mess, though I thought Angel's was awesome.
 
2013-01-19 08:09:18 AM  

LDM90: I think they're trying to cover pretty much every show ever.

Also, I'm not sure when it happened (probably around the time OMGSPOILERS became a big thing) but it's all about the ending now and I'm sick of it. People won't bother to watch a show at all if they've heard it has a bad final episode. Lost, BSG, Sopranos... Despite the show being 99% awesome, people won't watch it because they didn't have everything planned out from the beginning or something.

It's a really stupid way to watch tv and it almost always leads to disappointment.


I don't think it's necessarily "all about the ending" as much as TFA is warning signs about shows that will inevitably go off the rails for entire seasons at a time, nevermind how it ends.
 
2013-01-19 08:10:03 AM  

Im_Gumby: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7544052/81991770#c81991770" target="_blank">godwin5</a>:</b> <i>Snapper Carr: Someone totally annoying becomes a "fan favorite" character

[i.imgur.com image 240x300]

Bazinga


/My hate for that show burns brighter than a thousand suns because of him.

Nope...not even close for the most <strike>"fan favorite"</strike> obnoxious character. That goes to <strike>Steve Urkel on Family Matters</strike> Scrappy farking Do.</i>

/Second place goes to Cousin Oliver
//get off my lawn.


You know, The Fonz was the original sitcom obnoxious character to become the focus of the show.

/well, maybe not original, since I'm sure someone will come up with an example from the 50s or 60s, but certainly the most well known and the prototype for how to destroy a decent ensemble show by focusing on one character to the detriment of all others.
 
2013-01-19 08:11:10 AM  

Madbassist1: Article could have been great if it had included examples. Without them it sucks.


THIS!!!

The writer of the article clearly was lazy. Was this done to avoid Spoilers? I can understand if it was a good plot device to a tv series and he/she didn't want to ruin it for the reader, but isn't the point of the article to mark the bad ones. I wish I could write for i09 in generalities and get paid for it. Great topic for discussion, horrible execution.
 
2013-01-19 08:12:39 AM  
The last 10 minutes of every episode is a grating whiney ballad played over shots of actors looking wistfully through a window at the rain?
 
2013-01-19 08:13:39 AM  
It has"1600" in the title?
 
2013-01-19 08:14:57 AM  

Im_Gumby: /Second place goes to Cousin Oliver
//get off my lawn.


GAH COUSIN OLIVER
 
2013-01-19 08:16:53 AM  

swahnhennessy: They blow all of their good storylines and then coast for a couple more seasons on the boxed drama and lazy conflict of character relationships?

/won't watch arc-driven TV any more until the series is wrapped and I've got solid assurances that it is worth the time


Flashback: 1999.

A comic fan goes up to one of his buddies and says, "Hey! Did you hear about this great new comic series? It's got loads of fights, great comedy, and of course, babes with those two superpowers, if you get what I'm sayin'!"

"Yeah, I've heard of it", his buddy tells him, "But I think I'll wait for the trade to get into it." ("The trade" = "Trade paperback", which for comics is usually an omnibus of a set number of comics, usually 6-12.)

Three issues later, the comic is cancelled due to low sales. The trade? The last product relating to the comic. That is, of course, if it gets released at all.

Flash Forward: 2009.

A teevee buff goes up to one of his buddies and says, "Hey! Did you hear about this great new show on F*X! It's got loads of fights, great comedy, and of course, HALF-NAKED CHICKS!"

"Yeah, I've heard of it", his buddy tells him, "But I think I'll wait for the DVD."

Three episodes later, the show is cancelled due to low ratings. The DVD? The last product relating to the show. That is, of course, if it gets released at all.

And the cycle of life continues...
 
2013-01-19 08:16:53 AM  

Gyrfalcon: You mean all of them?

It's a very rare show indeed that wound up all the loose ends, ended on a high note, and made sure there could never be an awful, humiliating spin-off. Either the show just stops because it didn't get renewed--and there was no "series finale" (very common in the 60's and 70's); or there was a series finale and then the fans demanded to know "what happened next" so the network gave it to them and milked a season or two out of some horrible spin-off (After MASH and Joanie loves Chachi spring to mind); or the show was going to be canceled but the fans pulled a "Trekkie" on them and the network grudgingly gave them one more season--that was when we were getting those bizarre "it was all a dream!" and the terrorists-crashed-Alexis's-wedding seasons. We won't even talk about the X-Files "Let's end the series by having a movie" finales.

I can't think of more than a handful of shows in the last 50 years that got to have a good solid series finale that ended the show for good and all, tied up all the loose ends, and finished it off in such a way that there could not be a spin-off. "NYPD Blue" is the only one I can think of off the top of my head that wrapped everything and ended it, after some weirdity and fumbling.


Actually, Joanie Loves Chachi ran concurrent with season 10 of Happy Days, was canceled, and Joanie and Chachi were folded back into the Happy Days cast for the final season.

So, Happy Days did have a conclusive ending. Not necessarily good... but final.
 
2013-01-19 08:18:17 AM  

IlGreven: swahnhennessy: They blow all of their good storylines and then coast for a couple more seasons on the boxed drama and lazy conflict of character relationships?

/won't watch arc-driven TV any more until the series is wrapped and I've got solid assurances that it is worth the time

Flashback: 1999.

A comic fan goes up to one of his buddies and says, "Hey! Did you hear about this great new comic series? It's got loads of fights, great comedy, and of course, babes with those two superpowers, if you get what I'm sayin'!"

"Yeah, I've heard of it", his buddy tells him, "But I think I'll wait for the trade to get into it." ("The trade" = "Trade paperback", which for comics is usually an omnibus of a set number of comics, usually 6-12.)

Three issues later, the comic is cancelled due to low sales. The trade? The last product relating to the comic. That is, of course, if it gets released at all.

Flash Forward: 2009.

A teevee buff goes up to one of his buddies and says, "Hey! Did you hear about this great new show on F*X! It's got loads of fights, great comedy, and of course, HALF-NAKED CHICKS!"

"Yeah, I've heard of it", his buddy tells him, "But I think I'll wait for the DVD."

Three episodes later, the show is cancelled due to low ratings. The DVD? The last product relating to the show. That is, of course, if it gets released at all.

And the cycle of life continues...


Yet both comics and TV keep writing for the collected edition.....
 
2013-01-19 08:23:59 AM  
It's set in space?

I don't think any space TV show has had a decent ending. Closest was DS9, but I didn't like how Sisco just up and went Prophet.

Space shows with a follow-up movie don't count (Peacekeeper Wars was awesome. Right, Harvey?)
 
2013-01-19 08:29:26 AM  

Summer Glau's Love Slave: It's on FOX?


Won in one.
 
2013-01-19 08:32:38 AM  

WippitGuud: It's set in space?

I don't think any space TV show has had a decent ending. Closest was DS9, but I didn't like how Sisco just up and went Prophet.

Space shows with a follow-up movie don't count (Peacekeeper Wars was awesome. Right, Harvey?)


Three words: "Sleeping in Light".

/you'll bawled like a baby
 
2013-01-19 08:33:35 AM  

WippitGuud: It's set in space?

I don't think any space TV show has had a decent ending. Closest was DS9, but I didn't like how Sisko just up and went Prophet.



Just another story about a black man abandoning his wife and children.

/Actually, Avery Brooks biatched about Sisko going Prophet because he felt it looked like what I just said. Of course, Avery Brooks is kind of nuts.
 
2013-01-19 08:35:34 AM  

WippitGuud: It's set in space?

I don't think any space TV show has had a decent ending. Closest was DS9, but I didn't like how Sisco just up and went Prophet.

Space shows with a follow-up movie don't count (Peacekeeper Wars was awesome. Right, Harvey?)


The re-imagined BSG had a pretty good ending (except for the 4 or 5 minute coda).
 
2013-01-19 08:35:58 AM  

WippitGuud: It's set in space?

I don't think any space TV show has had a decent ending. Closest was DS9, but I didn't like how Sisco just up and went Prophet.

Space shows with a follow-up movie don't count (Peacekeeper Wars was awesome. Right, Harvey?)



The conclusion of B5 was among my favorites of all time.
 
2013-01-19 08:37:43 AM  

WippitGuud: It's set in space?

I don't think any space TV show has had a decent ending. Closest was DS9, but I didn't like how Sisco just up and went Prophet.

Space shows with a follow-up movie don't count (Peacekeeper Wars was awesome. Right, Harvey?)


You come on Fark and diss DS9 by not calling it the best TV show in TV history?

Damn dude, you got some brass balls
 
2013-01-19 08:39:32 AM  

Sybarite: WippitGuud: It's set in space?

I don't think any space TV show has had a decent ending. Closest was DS9, but I didn't like how Sisco just up and went Prophet.

Space shows with a follow-up movie don't count (Peacekeeper Wars was awesome. Right, Harvey?)


The conclusion of B5 was among my favorites of all time.


That actually turned out better than it might have, because they'd had to wrap up the big majority of what was going to be a 5 season arc in the finale of season 4 because it looked like they were going to get cancelled.
 
2013-01-19 08:41:13 AM  
How did I forget B5.... well, the exception that proves the rule...
 
2013-01-19 08:44:34 AM  
Ted McGinley joins the cast?
 
2013-01-19 08:52:50 AM  

buntz: Ted McGinley joins the cast?


Nah, Married With Children had its best years with him on it.
 
2013-01-19 08:53:27 AM  
Ted McGinley and Summer Glau show up?
 
2013-01-19 08:55:53 AM  
AHHH DAMN!!

buntz beat me
 
2013-01-19 08:56:25 AM  

jake_lex: Sybarite: WippitGuud: It's set in space?

I don't think any space TV show has had a decent ending. Closest was DS9, but I didn't like how Sisco just up and went Prophet.

Space shows with a follow-up movie don't count (Peacekeeper Wars was awesome. Right, Harvey?)


The conclusion of B5 was among my favorites of all time.

That actually turned out better than it might have, because they'd had to wrap up the big majority of what was going to be a 5 season arc in the finale of season 4 because it looked like they were going to get cancelled.


The series finale was actually filmed at the end of season 4 since they didn't know if they were getting a renewal, and aired the deconstruction of falling stars in its place when they did.

Also, I think All Good Things... was a great finale.
 
2013-01-19 09:16:30 AM  

Snapper Carr: Bazinga


/My hate for that show burns brighter than a thousand suns because of him.


I heard that.
 
2013-01-19 09:27:57 AM  

Gyrfalcon: "NYPD Blue" is the only one I can think of off the top of my head that wrapped everything and ended it, after some weirdity and fumbling.


You may be a few years younger than me because I remember LA Law and Hill Street Blues (Which were both Bochco productions IIRC) as having pretty good endings. We do not speak of the Cheers 'finale'.
 
2013-01-19 09:31:04 AM  

Brainsick: Gyrfalcon: "NYPD Blue" is the only one I can think of off the top of my head that wrapped everything and ended it, after some weirdity and fumbling.

You may be a few years younger than me because I remember LA Law and Hill Street Blues (Which were both Bochco productions IIRC) as having pretty good endings. We do not speak of the Cheers 'finale'.


That made me hate the entire show for years.
 
2013-01-19 09:32:33 AM  

Snapper Carr: Someone totally annoying becomes a "fan favorite" character

[i.imgur.com image 240x300]

Bazinga


/My hate for that show burns brighter than a thousand suns because of him.


I use the show as a metal detector for stupid people trying to be smart. "I got one of their 'smart' gags, I must be a genius!" No.

/That and Crocs.
 
2013-01-19 09:34:24 AM  

Brainsick: We do not speak of the Cheers 'finale'.


This, on the other hand, the greatest of sitcom finales...

"...you should wear more sweaters..."
 
2013-01-19 09:43:20 AM  
No love for The Shield? THAT was a perfect series finale.

/I've also heard good things about Six Feet Under, but I tried watching an episode once and just couldn't get into it.
 
2013-01-19 09:50:07 AM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: WippitGuud: It's set in space?

I don't think any space TV show has had a decent ending. Closest was DS9, but I didn't like how Sisco just up and went Prophet.

Space shows with a follow-up movie don't count (Peacekeeper Wars was awesome. Right, Harvey?)

The re-imagined BSG had a pretty good ending (except for the 4 or 5 minute coda).


I was afraid you'd gone and done it now, but it seems to have slipped past everyone.

/liked it too
 
2013-01-19 09:53:04 AM  
www.badhaven.com

still waiting for this series to come out on DVD in the states.
 
2013-01-19 09:54:50 AM  

Summer Glau's Love Slave: It's on FOX?


It stars summer Glau?
 
2013-01-19 10:00:45 AM  

LonMead: "...you should wear more sweaters..."


She did have lovely sweater puppies.....(sigh)

I must disagree with you slightly though, the word 'sitcom' shouldn't be in your link.  It was the greatest of any show ever.  Something like that had never been seen before & now we have most series' trying to out Newhart Newhart with their own finale (gimicks, strange twists, dead silence (which actually worked in that case), etc).  It made you not care as much that a show was over (by laughing too hard to really dwell on that 'this is IT') & yet at the same time let you think that another beloved show was still going on in an alternate universe.  Normally I'm somewhat bittersweet about a show that I like ending but with that one I was giggling for weeks & glad that it was over just because it being so was such an awesome thing.

I'm old enough to remember getting together with my friends to watch the M*A*S*H finale.  Sadly I'm not old enough to forget how disappointed we were after the 2.5 hour suckfest.  It isn't easy to wrap up a long running series coherently.
 
2013-01-19 10:01:07 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: WippitGuud: It's set in space?

I don't think any space TV show has had a decent ending. Closest was DS9, but I didn't like how Sisko just up and went Prophet.


Just another story about a black man abandoning his wife and children.

/Actually, Avery Brooks biatched about Sisko going Prophet because he felt it looked like what I just said. Of course, Avery Brooks is kind of nuts.


The original plan was for Sisko to sacrifice himself and die fighting. Turning prophet was a compromise since it indicated he might return.

No mention so far of TNG? That's how you wrap up a series. A surprisingly good finale for an almost completely episodic show.
 
2013-01-19 10:02:44 AM  
It's nice how this article doesn't explain any actual examples of what they're referring to, or they throw in occasional photos of random shows and assume that everyone is already familiar with them and knows exactly what they're talking about.

Seriously lazy writing there.
 
2013-01-19 10:10:56 AM  

I. M. Foreman: [www.badhaven.com image 477x344]

still waiting for this series to come out on DVD in the states.


I'm guessing Blake's 7?

Siffy is doing an American adaptation *shudder*

But, hey, pick up a cheap DVD player after googling to make sure the player can be set to region free mode, and import them biatches from the UK.
 
2013-01-19 10:12:07 AM  

NeoCortex42: The original plan was for Sisko to sacrifice himself and die fighting. Turning prophet was a compromise since it indicated he might return.


The way I see it, he was forced to sacrifice himself for the good of the galaxy or whatever. If he was anybody else he would have just died, but it's not really his fault he became a prophet instead.
 
2013-01-19 10:16:39 AM  

whenIsayGO: NeoCortex42: The original plan was for Sisko to sacrifice himself and die fighting. Turning prophet was a compromise since it indicated he might return.

The way I see it, he was forced to sacrifice himself for the good of the galaxy or whatever. If he was anybody else he would have just died, but it's not really his fault he became a prophet instead.


In the show, the finale made sense just fine. I just think it's odd that they had to compromise on the fate of the character just because Avery Brooks is black.

The only one that ever seemed to have a problem with race in the future was Sisko. He managed to bring it up every single chance he got.
 
2013-01-19 10:29:14 AM  
It wasn't the greatest show ever, but The Shield had one of the most perfect endings ever.

/The Wire had a great wrap up as well.
 
2013-01-19 10:32:40 AM  

TheLopper: It wasn't the greatest show ever, but The Shield had one of the most perfect endings ever.

/The Wire had a great wrap up as well.


yes to both of these.

Six feet Under, imo, had the finest finale of all.
 
2013-01-19 10:45:32 AM  
Forever Knight had a nice Hamlet-like ending. All the main characters die.
 
2013-01-19 10:46:56 AM  

BizarreMan: Summer Glau's Love Slave: It's on FOX?

It stars summer Glau?


Your whore mouth is talking. You might want to see to that.
 
2013-01-19 10:51:32 AM  

Summer Glau's Love Slave: BizarreMan: Summer Glau's Love Slave: It's on FOX?

It stars summer Glau?

Your whore mouth is talking. You might want to see to that.


And with Alphas gone, she has one more show to add to her list.
 
2013-01-19 10:55:21 AM  
If you ignore the last eight seconds of the last ever episode of the LA Complex it has a really good finishing episode.
"We made something."
Such an underrated show.

Also a good ending: Frontline(the Australian Sitcom, not the PBS show) with its funeral in Epitaph. It tied together all the themes of the show perfectly.
 
2013-01-19 10:58:18 AM  

simplicimus: Forever Knight had a nice Hamlet-like ending. All the main characters die.


Like every season of Blackadder.
 
2013-01-19 11:42:26 AM  

simplicimus: Forever Knight had a nice Hamlet-like ending. All the main characters die.


That was a heck of an ending. But it was less "Hamlet" and more "Take THAT For Cancelling Us".
 
2013-01-19 11:43:08 AM  
www.exposay.com

This guy is in the cast.
 
2013-01-19 11:47:22 AM  

98K514: [www.exposay.com image 480x620]

This guy is in the cast.


The Life on Mars US hacks already had a perfectly good ending to go with, yet they decided to play the "Gene Hunt's really my space daddy and we're all going to MARS!" card.

fark you, US Television.

/and Ashes To Ashes did the weird-ass ending better, too.
 
2013-01-19 12:03:48 PM  

Summoner101: You've dragged it out for so long for ratings you've missed all opportunities for ending it with any impact? (House)


I stopped watching when House went into the psych ward. That was a great ending, for me. I'm told I didn't miss much or anything in the ensuing seasons. I wasn't being pretentious, I just sort of lost time to watch it.

LDM90: I think they're trying to cover pretty much every show ever.

Also, I'm not sure when it happened (probably around the time OMGSPOILERS became a big thing) but it's all about the ending now and I'm sick of it. People won't bother to watch a show at all if they've heard it has a bad final episode. Lost, BSG, Sopranos... Despite the show being 99% awesome, people won't watch it because they didn't have everything planned out from the beginning or something.

It's a really stupid way to watch tv and it almost always leads to disappointment.


Because endings matter? If I'm going to get invested in a show, and then they just crap out a nonsensical ending that ruins or counteracts the entire show anyway, why bother? I can get a dozen different things to read or watch, why invest time in the one that shiats on the ending? It doesn't need to be some perfect magical ending or something, but 'main character gets shot in the face fade to black' is a bullshiat cliffhanger that wouldn't fly on a season finale, let alone a final episode. Or Stephen King's 'endings' to most of his novels. If your 'ending' raises more questions in the last page than you have answered in the preceeding 400, then fark you, you've wasted my time.
 
2013-01-19 12:12:20 PM  
24.media.tumblr.com

/that is all
 
2013-01-19 12:20:52 PM  

Frozboz: They're right about LOST. When Locke was killed... ugh. That show had potential, but that episode *felt* wrong.


Absolutely with this one. The ep where he dies just seemed so rushed and that death so unceremonious that when he seemed "resurrected" on his return to the island I actually fell for that that angle, because it was the only way to make his death seem satisfying in the first place.

/Don't get me started on how much that show let me down....
 
2013-01-19 12:38:22 PM  

Martstar: Frozboz: They're right about LOST. When Locke was killed... ugh. That show had potential, but that episode *felt* wrong.

Absolutely with this one. The ep where he dies just seemed so rushed and that death so unceremonious that when he seemed "resurrected" on his return to the island I actually fell for that that angle, because it was the only way to make his death seem satisfying in the first place.

/Don't get me started on how much that show let me down....


Locke is one of the most tragic figures in television. All he wanted his whole life was to feel special, but he ended up being nothing but a pawn for one asshole after another (His dad, Ben, Jacob, MiB). Even his death was an empty and unceremonious one.
 
2013-01-19 12:39:30 PM  
"Someone totally annoying becomes a "fan favorite" character"

Dan from Night Court
 
2013-01-19 12:45:18 PM  

hbk72777: "Someone totally annoying becomes a "fan favorite" character"

Dan from Night Court


I never considered him an annoying character. Sure, he annoyed the other characters whenever he had the chance, but not the audience. He was one of the strongest members of the cast from the beginning.

Granted, some of the latter season plots with him got ridiculous, but that's true for almost all the characters on the show.
 
2013-01-19 12:55:44 PM  

Kibbler: It has"1600" in the title?


THIS!

www.gannett-cdn.com

Josh Gad must have one hell of an agent. I have seen a couple episodes of 1600 Penn and hate his character, yet he seems to get a lot of screen time so I don't think I will be able to stomach the show. This show seems to have a promising premise, but he will kill it. Seems like the West Wing has had funnier "family in the white house bits" then this show will ever have. (Bartlett calling about how to cook a turkey comes to mind). And it wasn't really trying for that angle.

I remember first seeing Josh on the Daily show once and then never again. He seemed to be trying to hard to copy Lewis Black and he just couldn't pull it off. Yelling the joke and being mad doesn't make it funny on its own. Yet he keeps getting work.

Another one is Kat Dennings on Two Broke Girls. Her character is just too crass,negative for me to like her (granted I like other things about her) but that character just ruins it for me.

Article reminded me about FlashForward a lot. Had a great premise and setup good mystery around the event, but instead the writers decide to just focus on Mr. Alky's marriage instead.

/"'CAUSE I WAS LOADED!"
 
2013-01-19 12:56:10 PM  
Why is there a picture of Chuck in an article about bad finales? That show had an awesome finale, although a lot of the last two seasons was weak.
 
2013-01-19 01:04:37 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: Why is there a picture of Chuck in an article about bad finales? That show had an awesome finale, although a lot of the last two seasons was weak.


I think the article was implying that the romance between the leads was a reason the show was going down the tubes.
The Chuck-Sarah romance was really nice, once they got it into place it avoided about 90% of the cliches that shows like that usually fall into and then had a tragic or uplifting ending depending on how you looked at it, the article writer is a fool.
 
2013-01-19 01:18:28 PM  

Hyjamon: Article reminded me about FlashForward a lot. Had a great premise and setup good mystery around the event, but instead the writers decide to just focus on Mr. Alky's marriage instead.


That's a show that would have made a great miniseries, just like Last Resort should have been.

/"'CAUSE I WAS LOADED!"

At least it will always be remembered for that great line and amazing delivery.
 
2013-01-19 01:25:33 PM  
One of the best finales ever
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-01-19 01:34:41 PM  
You never meet the farking mother?
 
2013-01-19 01:41:23 PM  

Dawg47: You never meet the farking mother?


I bet the series finale it will be revealed that Ted kidnapped those kids and just as he is getting to that part, the police bust down the door and arrest him
 
2013-01-19 02:13:16 PM  

NeoCortex42: /"'CAUSE I WAS LOADED!"

At least it will always be remembered for that great line and amazing delivery.


Can't forget the AWESOME spike on "okay?!?"

/BECAUSE I WAS LOADED, OKAY?!?
 
2013-01-19 02:31:41 PM  

hbk72777: "Someone totally annoying becomes a "fan favorite" character"

Dan from Night Court


Chang from Community: Awesome in the first season, increasingly unbearable and pointless on each successive season.

Hyjamon: Another one is Kat Dennings on Two Broke Girls. Her character is just too crass,negative for me to like her (granted I like other things about her) but that character just ruins it for me.


I'm pretty sure Kat is the least of 2 Broke Girls' problems.
 
2013-01-19 02:37:27 PM  

texdent: Dawg47: You never meet the farking mother?

I bet the series finale it will be revealed that Ted kidnapped those kids and just as he is getting to that part, the police bust down the door and arrest him


Actually, they just blew their wad on tuesday. Spoiler alert, she was the base player at Barney and Robin's wedding, and the "perfect" woman he missed out on the blind date with in the first season when he decided to go for Robin.

No need to watch the show any further, unless they do something like have the mom (narrated by Rosanne Barr) tell the kids that after her "perfect" guy not showing up to the blind date, she turned into a raging slut and did half of NY.
 
2013-01-19 02:46:19 PM  

FeedTheCollapse: Chang from Community: Awesome in the first season, increasingly unbearable and pointless on each successive season.


Absolutely.
 
2013-01-19 02:58:36 PM  

larkmaj: Also, I think All Good Things... was a great finale.


So was DS9. Even Voyager wasn't bad, until they just up and ended
 
2013-01-19 03:00:58 PM  
If I remember correctly, Everybody Loves Raymond had a pretty good finale. It was like another episode with a concluding quality.
 
2013-01-19 03:04:22 PM  

Frozboz: They're right about LOST. When Locke was killed... ugh. That show had potential, but that episode *felt* wrong.


I still have NO idea why Ben killed John. He mentions that woman's name... and somehow it suddenly makes sense to kill him. URG.
 
2013-01-19 03:26:52 PM  

Summer Glau's Love Slave: It's on FOX?


Nice to see that one get out there in the boobies

/might as well type that, it's gonna get filtered anyhow
 
2013-01-19 03:47:16 PM  

Msol: I still have NO idea why Ben killed John. He mentions that woman's name... and somehow it suddenly makes sense to kill him. URG.


Ben killed John after he mentioned Eloise's name because that was the piece of information Ben needed. Once he was confident he could get back to the island without any further help from John, he took the opportunity to kill him. Makes sense, since he was jealous of him and his connection of the island for so long.
 
2013-01-19 03:50:08 PM  

NeoCortex42: FirstNationalBastard: WippitGuud: It's set in space?

I don't think any space TV show has had a decent ending. Closest was DS9, but I didn't like how Sisko just up and went Prophet.


Just another story about a black man abandoning his wife and children.

/Actually, Avery Brooks biatched about Sisko going Prophet because he felt it looked like what I just said. Of course, Avery Brooks is kind of nuts.

The original plan was for Sisko to sacrifice himself and die fighting. Turning prophet was a compromise since it indicated he might return.

No mention so far of TNG? That's how you wrap up a series. A surprisingly good finale for an almost completely episodic show.


It's kind if funny that Patrick Stewart is almost as old as Picard was supposed to be in the future scenes in that story, and he looks no where near as decrepit as the old age makeup made him look.
 
2013-01-19 03:53:39 PM  

Mad_Radhu: NeoCortex42: FirstNationalBastard: WippitGuud: It's set in space?

I don't think any space TV show has had a decent ending. Closest was DS9, but I didn't like how Sisko just up and went Prophet.


Just another story about a black man abandoning his wife and children.

/Actually, Avery Brooks biatched about Sisko going Prophet because he felt it looked like what I just said. Of course, Avery Brooks is kind of nuts.

The original plan was for Sisko to sacrifice himself and die fighting. Turning prophet was a compromise since it indicated he might return.

No mention so far of TNG? That's how you wrap up a series. A surprisingly good finale for an almost completely episodic show.

It's kind if funny that Patrick Stewart is almost as old as Picard was supposed to be in the future scenes in that story, and he looks no where near as decrepit as the old age makeup made him look.


ct.weirdnutdaily.com
 
2013-01-19 04:25:04 PM  

LonMead: Like every season of Blackadder.


orange storm: One of the best finales ever
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Add another vote for Blackadder - each season has a fine finale, and the series finale is utterly fantastic. One of the greatest TV series ever, IMO.

www.melange-tea.com
 
2013-01-19 04:32:06 PM  
That article sucked the sweat of Gandhi's thong.

All the writer did was find failing or faltering shows and nitpicked things from them.
That's not a study or researched article.
That's whining and biatching about shows they already didn't like.
 
2013-01-19 05:21:31 PM  

LDM90: I think they're trying to cover pretty much every show ever.

Also, I'm not sure when it happened (probably around the time OMGSPOILERS became a big thing) but it's all about the ending now and I'm sick of it. People won't bother to watch a show at all if they've heard it has a bad final episode. Lost, BSG, Sopranos... Despite the show being 99% awesome, people won't watch it because they didn't have everything planned out from the beginning or something.

It's a really stupid way to watch tv and it almost always leads to disappointment.


In BSG's case, they didn't plan ANYTHING. Hello? Plot? What a farking disappointment. So much promise squandered on stupid shiat.
 
2013-01-19 05:35:11 PM  

Sybarite: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x704]

/that is all


Good job, Britta. You broke Abed.
 
2013-01-19 05:37:46 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: TheLopper: It wasn't the greatest show ever, but The Shield had one of the most perfect endings ever.

/The Wire had a great wrap up as well.

yes to both of these.

Six feet Under, imo, had the finest finale of all.


Gonna have to catch it. Either we stopped watching (the show started slipping a few seasons in) or it was one of those times when we stopped paying for the extra cable channels.
 
2013-01-19 05:39:10 PM  
Supernatural series finale: Everybody is going to die. For real this time.
 
2013-01-19 06:02:26 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: They forgot 'Hey, let's drop one of the finest series ever made and start a show called Jon from Cincinnati'


HBO was worried that Deadwood was turning into The Sopranos, in terms of the actors constantly demanding more money, so they canceled the show. They canceled Rome for similar reasons: the first season cost $150 million.

Of course, now they've turned around and are making Game of Thrones, which is costing them something like $250 million a season.
 
2013-01-19 06:02:49 PM  

TheLopper: It wasn't the greatest show ever, but The Shield had one of the most perfect endings ever.


You had a typo.
 
2013-01-19 06:09:51 PM  

PostApocalypticTribe: Supernatural series finale: Everybody is going to die. For real this time.


Is the end of that show planned yet? I may have seen most of the show as gifs on tumblr, but never actually watched it. If they're leading up to a big series finale, I will have to try and catch up. People keep telling me it's really good.

/All female people
//But that doesn't mean they're wrong
 
2013-01-19 06:15:58 PM  
I'm still angry about Lost. fark YOU DAMON LINDELOF AND CARLTON CUSE!!
 
2013-01-19 06:29:21 PM  
I just wish any writer who talks about the Moonlighting curse actually watched Moonlighting.
 
2013-01-19 08:21:20 PM  

nikku88: I just wish any writer who talks about the Moonlighting curse actually watched Moonlighting.


True. Having Dave and Maddy consummate their relationship did hurt the series but there were other factors like the triangle of hostility that existed between Bruce Willis, Cybill Shepherd, and showrunner Glenn Gordon Caron; production delays that resulted in a lot of reruns and only occasional new episodes; the fact that once he hit it big in Die Hard, Willis clearly no longer cared about the show and craziness surrounding it; and--the mortal blow--the 1988 Writers Guild strike which led to a ten-month gap between new episodes. When the show came back in December 1988, most the show's audience had moved on and it was cancelled a few months later.
 
2013-01-19 09:04:55 PM  
I've always thought the American model of never-ending series precluded the possibility of a coherent or meaningful ending. But there have been some shiatty-ass British shows, for whatever reason, that were pretty nonsensical.

I thought the first series of "Sherlock" was pretty stupid. Maybe it was a mistake to portray Moriarty as a retarded gay man, I dunno.

//"Newsradio" had a great ending. "Just you and me......FOREVER!".
 
2013-01-19 09:42:47 PM  

Teknowaffle: texdent: Dawg47: You never meet the farking mother?

I bet the series finale it will be revealed that Ted kidnapped those kids and just as he is getting to that part, the police bust down the door and arrest him

Actually, they just blew their wad on tuesday. Spoiler alert, she was the base player at Barney and Robin's wedding, and the "perfect" woman he missed out on the blind date with in the first season when he decided to go for Robin.

No need to watch the show any further, unless they do something like have the mom (narrated by Rosanne Barr) tell the kids that after her "perfect" guy not showing up to the blind date, she turned into a raging slut and did half of NY.


Maybe the whole story was written by Roseanne in her basement.
 
2013-01-19 10:30:04 PM  

Jeteupthemiddle: If I remember correctly, Everybody Loves Raymond had a pretty good finale. It was like another episode with a concluding quality.


Yeah, they definitely got it right. I just saw that episode not too long ago.
 
2013-01-19 10:50:25 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: IamKaiserSoze!!!: They forgot 'Hey, let's drop one of the finest series ever made and start a show called Jon from Cincinnati'

HBO was worried that Deadwood was turning into The Sopranos, in terms of the actors constantly demanding more money, so they canceled the show. They canceled Rome for similar reasons: the first season cost $150 million.

Of course, now they've turned around and are making Game of Thrones, which is costing them something like $250 million a season.


I have a friend who summarizes the finale of Deadwood as "Poochie Hearst died on the way back to his home planet".

Still, the buildup to that finale was pretty great. I especially loved Trixie taking matters into her own hands.

/Still my favorite TV show of all time.
//"I wish I was a farkin' tree."
 
2013-01-20 02:49:28 AM  
Game of Thrones ticks enough of these boxes that people should be concerned. Then again with the cost of making it and the number of people that watch it in a remunerative way, it might be cancelled before the final book appears.
 
2013-01-20 05:18:40 AM  

narkor: Game of Thrones ticks enough of these boxes that people should be concerned. Then again with the cost of making it and the number of people that watch it in a remunerative way, it might be cancelled before the final book appears.


Or you may just not like GOT? The only one I could possibly see being a problem from that list would be the child actors, mainly Sansa and Arya. I don't see how it had a cancellation scare, romantic subplot concluded, pulled punches with characters etc etc.

Heck, even in the latest books there are people you've read about all this time and they're not even "safe" characters.

That being said I liked the ending of real Scrubs even if it was sappy. After SCRUBS was an abomination that most viewers and actors wanted nothing to do with.
 
2013-01-20 10:56:03 AM  

Sairobi: Dwight_Yeast: IamKaiserSoze!!!: They forgot 'Hey, let's drop one of the finest series ever made and start a show called Jon from Cincinnati'

HBO was worried that Deadwood was turning into The Sopranos, in terms of the actors constantly demanding more money, so they canceled the show. They canceled Rome for similar reasons: the first season cost $150 million.

Of course, now they've turned around and are making Game of Thrones, which is costing them something like $250 million a season.

I have a friend who summarizes the finale of Deadwood as "Poochie Hearst died on the way back to his home planet".

Still, the buildup to that finale was pretty great. I especially loved Trixie taking matters into her own hands.

/Still my favorite TV show of all time.
//"I wish I was a farkin' tree."


It was kinda unpreventable, as the writers were told to prep for a fourth season, and then new management came into HBO and cancelled the whole thing.
 
2013-01-20 12:37:23 PM  

Gyrfalcon: I can't think of more than a handful of shows in the last 50 years that got to have a good solid series finale that ended the show for good and all, tied up all the loose ends, and finished it off in such a way that there could not be a spin-off. "NYPD Blue" is the only one I can think of off the top of my head that wrapped everything and ended it, after some weirdity and fumbling.


Blackadder goes Forth?
 
2013-01-21 12:28:09 AM  

if_i_really_have_to: PostApocalypticTribe: Supernatural series finale: Everybody is going to die. For real this time.

Is the end of that show planned yet? I may have seen most of the show as gifs on tumblr, but never actually watched it. If they're leading up to a big series finale, I will have to try and catch up. People keep telling me it's really good.

/All female people
//But that doesn't mean they're wrong


Not that I know of. They had only planned 5 seasons and then got surprised by being picked up for another season... and another... and another.
I enjoy it. The first season isn't so great but it really hits it's stride around the 3rd and 4th seasons. My favorite thing is the humor though, you'll be going along and the show is grim and full of drama and then out of left field something makes you snort your beverage of choice all over your keyboard.

If nothing else you should go watch the gag reels on youtube. They're hilarious.
 
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