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2013-01-18 07:53:52 PM  
It's on FOX?
 
2013-01-18 08:05:49 PM  
It's produced by Joss Whedon?
 
2013-01-18 08:09:14 PM  
Someone on the show has a baby?
 
2013-01-18 08:53:48 PM  
 
2013-01-18 09:16:50 PM  
A Dane Cook special?
 
2013-01-18 10:35:45 PM  
jj abrams is in the credits ?
 
2013-01-18 11:08:21 PM  

phlegmmo: A Dane Cook special?


The end would be the best part.
 
2013-01-19 12:49:47 AM  
It has J.J. Abrams' name on it?

alienated: jj abrams is in the credits ?


damn
 
2013-01-19 01:57:07 AM  

Chariset: It's produced by Joss Whedon?


Buffy was ended beautifully.
 
2013-01-19 02:01:27 AM  
They use the 'Hand of God' to thwart unthwartable foe
 
2013-01-19 02:04:00 AM  
I got a feeling "last resort" is gonna leave me hangin'..

/wish they could do a webisode wrap up or even a couple writer made scripts to tie up loose ends
 
2013-01-19 02:07:26 AM  
www.quantumleap-alsplace.com
 
2013-01-19 02:17:08 AM  
Or if you have a show about people who travel from 1963 to the present, and there's some handwaving to explain why they're not confused by cellphones and the internet.

I think they're talking about "Alcatraz" but I wish they would just say it.


"Oh, we don't have time to explain what was in that humidor that everybody was trying to get three years ago - because we're too busy introducing a brand new mystery, about a structure out in the desert that wasn't there yesterday but appears to be thousands of years old. Also, we're going to introduce a whole new secret society that has a mysterious agenda that will make all the stuff that confused you in previous seasons three times more confusing. No, we're not trying to use sleight of hand to distract you from the lack of resolution, why would you think that?"

"Alias"? This is becoming frustrating. Are they being intentionally obscure?
 
2013-01-19 02:31:18 AM  

fusillade762: "Alias"? This is becoming frustrating. Are they being intentionally obscure?


X-Files, maybe.
 
2013-01-19 03:13:52 AM  
Someone totally annoying becomes a "fan favorite" character

You know who I'm talking about - the character who was sort of cute when they stood in the back and had the occasional funny line. Or someone who was a mysterious, shadowy figure, until we learned all about him or her. Or someone who was always sort of obnoxious and jerky, but less goody-two-shoes than the rest of the cast. In any case, sometimes a vocal group of fans will latch on to a particular character as a "fan favorite," and start clamoring for him/her to get more screen time. And the producers oblige, until suddenly the whole show is about this character, instead of the people you thought it was about all this time. And that usually means the resolution is going to be really, really weird.



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2013-01-19 03:23:12 AM  

doglover: Someone totally annoying becomes a "fan favorite" character

You know who I'm talking about - the character who was sort of cute when they stood in the back and had the occasional funny line. Or someone who was a mysterious, shadowy figure, until we learned all about him or her. Or someone who was always sort of obnoxious and jerky, but less goody-two-shoes than the rest of the cast. In any case, sometimes a vocal group of fans will latch on to a particular character as a "fan favorite," and start clamoring for him/her to get more screen time. And the producers oblige, until suddenly the whole show is about this character, instead of the people you thought it was about all this time. And that usually means the resolution is going to be really, really weird.


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No, no, that one was avoided by the "butthurt so-called fans decide to pretend to be offended and pressure big company to send character to the cornfield with threats of negative press" clause in the rule.
 
2013-01-19 03:31:16 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: No, no, that one was avoided by the "butthurt so-called fans decide to pretend to be offended and pressure big company to send character to the cornfield with threats of negative press" clause in the rule.


That's why she's sad. I'd watch the Derpy Hooves Muffin Hour.
 
2013-01-19 04:28:42 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: It has J.J. Abrams' name on it?

alienated: jj abrams is in the credits ?

damn


is that one of those virtual fistbump things ? cause i could so do that right now. bump.bmp
 
2013-01-19 06:02:21 AM  
Someone totally annoying becomes a "fan favorite" character

i.imgur.com

Bazinga


/My hate for that show burns brighter than a thousand suns because of him.
 
2013-01-19 06:02:43 AM  
You've dragged it out for so long for ratings you've missed all opportunities for ending it with any impact? (House)
 
2013-01-19 06:05:48 AM  
I think they're trying to cover pretty much every show ever.

Also, I'm not sure when it happened (probably around the time OMGSPOILERS became a big thing) but it's all about the ending now and I'm sick of it. People won't bother to watch a show at all if they've heard it has a bad final episode. Lost, BSG, Sopranos... Despite the show being 99% awesome, people won't watch it because they didn't have everything planned out from the beginning or something.

It's a really stupid way to watch tv and it almost always leads to disappointment.
 
2013-01-19 06:10:49 AM  
You mean all of them?

It's a very rare show indeed that wound up all the loose ends, ended on a high note, and made sure there could never be an awful, humiliating spin-off. Either the show just stops because it didn't get renewed--and there was no "series finale" (very common in the 60's and 70's); or there was a series finale and then the fans demanded to know "what happened next" so the network gave it to them and milked a season or two out of some horrible spin-off (After MASH and Joanie loves Chachi spring to mind); or the show was going to be canceled but the fans pulled a "Trekkie" on them and the network grudgingly gave them one more season--that was when we were getting those bizarre "it was all a dream!" and the terrorists-crashed-Alexis's-wedding seasons. We won't even talk about the X-Files "Let's end the series by having a movie" finales.

I can't think of more than a handful of shows in the last 50 years that got to have a good solid series finale that ended the show for good and all, tied up all the loose ends, and finished it off in such a way that there could not be a spin-off. "NYPD Blue" is the only one I can think of off the top of my head that wrapped everything and ended it, after some weirdity and fumbling.
 
2013-01-19 06:16:55 AM  
They blow all of their good storylines and then coast for a couple more seasons on the boxed drama and lazy conflict of character relationships?

/won't watch arc-driven TV any more until the series is wrapped and I've got solid assurances that it is worth the time
 
2013-01-19 06:18:17 AM  

Summoner101: You've dragged it out for so long for ratings you've missed all opportunities for ending it with any impact? (House)


House?

IIRC, That show ended after season 5, when House walked into the insane asylum. I mean, it's not like they would keep dragging it on, put House and Cuddy together then refuse to bring Cuddy back for the final season, and end the show with the stupidest, most out of character, happy ending they could come up with.

Nope. House ended after season 5, and was consistently a great show. End of story.
 
2013-01-19 06:18:57 AM  
The series finale that started it all:
media.cleveland.com
 
2013-01-19 06:20:21 AM  

LonMead: The series finale that started it all:
[media.cleveland.com image 850x850]


Just don't buy the single DVD sets, because they feature a butchered, synthesizer soundtrack and replacement music. It's the complete series with restored music or nothing.
 
2013-01-19 06:27:30 AM  

swahnhennessy: They blow all of their good storylines and then coast for a couple more seasons on the boxed drama and lazy conflict of character relationships?

/won't watch arc-driven TV any more until the series is wrapped and I've got solid assurances that it is worth the time


And there's the guy I was talking about. What's wrong with just enjoying each episode as it happens and not worrying about the finale? You might miss out on something cool.
 
2013-01-19 06:33:04 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: [www.quantumleap-alsplace.com image 720x540]


Thanks. Still hurts after all these years.
 
2013-01-19 06:35:55 AM  
Another fairly solid series ender:
www.starstills.com

And yeah, FirstNationalBastard, I buy whole sets and seasons at a time, as up to date as I can get.
 
2013-01-19 06:42:15 AM  

LDM90: And there's the guy I was talking about. What's wrong with just enjoying each episode as it happens and not worrying about the finale? You might miss out on something cool.


Finale? I was clearly talking about entire seasons.
 
2013-01-19 07:04:39 AM  

Snapper Carr: Someone totally annoying becomes a "fan favorite" character

[i.imgur.com image 240x300]

Bazinga


/My hate for that show burns brighter than a thousand suns because of him.


Nope...not even close for the most "fan favorite" obnoxious character. That goes to Steve Urkel on Family Matters.
 
2013-01-19 07:24:12 AM  
Of course they throw in Urkle:

Someone totally annoying becomes a "fan favorite" character


COME ON! He was what made that farking show
 
2013-01-19 07:33:27 AM  
They're right about LOST. When Locke was killed... ugh. That show had potential, but that episode *felt* wrong.
 
2013-01-19 07:33:55 AM  
They forgot 'Hey, let's drop one of the finest series ever made and start a show called Jon from Cincinnati'
 
2013-01-19 07:41:12 AM  

Frozboz: They're right about LOST. When Locke was killed... ugh. That show had potential, but that episode *felt* wrong.


Notice that Lost had nearly every one of those descriptions?
 
2013-01-19 07:47:44 AM  
Article could have been great if it had included examples. Without them it sucks.
 
2013-01-19 07:48:23 AM  
How many of these categories does The Office fall under?
 
2013-01-19 07:51:15 AM  
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7544052/81991770#c81991770" target="_blank">godwin5</a>:</b> <i>Snapper Carr: Someone totally annoying becomes a "fan favorite" character

[i.imgur.com image 240x300]

Bazinga


/My hate for that show burns brighter than a thousand suns because of him.

Nope...not even close for the most <strike>"fan favorite"</strike> obnoxious character. That goes to <strike>Steve Urkel on Family Matters</strike> Scrappy farking Do.</i>

/Second place goes to Cousin Oliver
//get off my lawn.
 
2013-01-19 07:53:14 AM  
What's with the HTMLFail?
 
2013-01-19 08:08:26 AM  

Shadow Blasko: Chariset: It's produced by Joss Whedon?

Buffy was ended beautifully.


I thought it was a rushed mess, though I thought Angel's was awesome.
 
2013-01-19 08:09:18 AM  

LDM90: I think they're trying to cover pretty much every show ever.

Also, I'm not sure when it happened (probably around the time OMGSPOILERS became a big thing) but it's all about the ending now and I'm sick of it. People won't bother to watch a show at all if they've heard it has a bad final episode. Lost, BSG, Sopranos... Despite the show being 99% awesome, people won't watch it because they didn't have everything planned out from the beginning or something.

It's a really stupid way to watch tv and it almost always leads to disappointment.


I don't think it's necessarily "all about the ending" as much as TFA is warning signs about shows that will inevitably go off the rails for entire seasons at a time, nevermind how it ends.
 
2013-01-19 08:10:03 AM  

Im_Gumby: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7544052/81991770#c81991770" target="_blank">godwin5</a>:</b> <i>Snapper Carr: Someone totally annoying becomes a "fan favorite" character

[i.imgur.com image 240x300]

Bazinga


/My hate for that show burns brighter than a thousand suns because of him.

Nope...not even close for the most <strike>"fan favorite"</strike> obnoxious character. That goes to <strike>Steve Urkel on Family Matters</strike> Scrappy farking Do.</i>

/Second place goes to Cousin Oliver
//get off my lawn.


You know, The Fonz was the original sitcom obnoxious character to become the focus of the show.

/well, maybe not original, since I'm sure someone will come up with an example from the 50s or 60s, but certainly the most well known and the prototype for how to destroy a decent ensemble show by focusing on one character to the detriment of all others.
 
2013-01-19 08:11:10 AM  

Madbassist1: Article could have been great if it had included examples. Without them it sucks.


THIS!!!

The writer of the article clearly was lazy. Was this done to avoid Spoilers? I can understand if it was a good plot device to a tv series and he/she didn't want to ruin it for the reader, but isn't the point of the article to mark the bad ones. I wish I could write for i09 in generalities and get paid for it. Great topic for discussion, horrible execution.
 
2013-01-19 08:12:39 AM  
The last 10 minutes of every episode is a grating whiney ballad played over shots of actors looking wistfully through a window at the rain?
 
2013-01-19 08:13:39 AM  
It has"1600" in the title?
 
2013-01-19 08:14:57 AM  

Im_Gumby: /Second place goes to Cousin Oliver
//get off my lawn.


GAH COUSIN OLIVER
 
2013-01-19 08:16:53 AM  

swahnhennessy: They blow all of their good storylines and then coast for a couple more seasons on the boxed drama and lazy conflict of character relationships?

/won't watch arc-driven TV any more until the series is wrapped and I've got solid assurances that it is worth the time


Flashback: 1999.

A comic fan goes up to one of his buddies and says, "Hey! Did you hear about this great new comic series? It's got loads of fights, great comedy, and of course, babes with those two superpowers, if you get what I'm sayin'!"

"Yeah, I've heard of it", his buddy tells him, "But I think I'll wait for the trade to get into it." ("The trade" = "Trade paperback", which for comics is usually an omnibus of a set number of comics, usually 6-12.)

Three issues later, the comic is cancelled due to low sales. The trade? The last product relating to the comic. That is, of course, if it gets released at all.

Flash Forward: 2009.

A teevee buff goes up to one of his buddies and says, "Hey! Did you hear about this great new show on F*X! It's got loads of fights, great comedy, and of course, HALF-NAKED CHICKS!"

"Yeah, I've heard of it", his buddy tells him, "But I think I'll wait for the DVD."

Three episodes later, the show is cancelled due to low ratings. The DVD? The last product relating to the show. That is, of course, if it gets released at all.

And the cycle of life continues...
 
2013-01-19 08:16:53 AM  

Gyrfalcon: You mean all of them?

It's a very rare show indeed that wound up all the loose ends, ended on a high note, and made sure there could never be an awful, humiliating spin-off. Either the show just stops because it didn't get renewed--and there was no "series finale" (very common in the 60's and 70's); or there was a series finale and then the fans demanded to know "what happened next" so the network gave it to them and milked a season or two out of some horrible spin-off (After MASH and Joanie loves Chachi spring to mind); or the show was going to be canceled but the fans pulled a "Trekkie" on them and the network grudgingly gave them one more season--that was when we were getting those bizarre "it was all a dream!" and the terrorists-crashed-Alexis's-wedding seasons. We won't even talk about the X-Files "Let's end the series by having a movie" finales.

I can't think of more than a handful of shows in the last 50 years that got to have a good solid series finale that ended the show for good and all, tied up all the loose ends, and finished it off in such a way that there could not be a spin-off. "NYPD Blue" is the only one I can think of off the top of my head that wrapped everything and ended it, after some weirdity and fumbling.


Actually, Joanie Loves Chachi ran concurrent with season 10 of Happy Days, was canceled, and Joanie and Chachi were folded back into the Happy Days cast for the final season.

So, Happy Days did have a conclusive ending. Not necessarily good... but final.
 
2013-01-19 08:18:17 AM  

IlGreven: swahnhennessy: They blow all of their good storylines and then coast for a couple more seasons on the boxed drama and lazy conflict of character relationships?

/won't watch arc-driven TV any more until the series is wrapped and I've got solid assurances that it is worth the time

Flashback: 1999.

A comic fan goes up to one of his buddies and says, "Hey! Did you hear about this great new comic series? It's got loads of fights, great comedy, and of course, babes with those two superpowers, if you get what I'm sayin'!"

"Yeah, I've heard of it", his buddy tells him, "But I think I'll wait for the trade to get into it." ("The trade" = "Trade paperback", which for comics is usually an omnibus of a set number of comics, usually 6-12.)

Three issues later, the comic is cancelled due to low sales. The trade? The last product relating to the comic. That is, of course, if it gets released at all.

Flash Forward: 2009.

A teevee buff goes up to one of his buddies and says, "Hey! Did you hear about this great new show on F*X! It's got loads of fights, great comedy, and of course, HALF-NAKED CHICKS!"

"Yeah, I've heard of it", his buddy tells him, "But I think I'll wait for the DVD."

Three episodes later, the show is cancelled due to low ratings. The DVD? The last product relating to the show. That is, of course, if it gets released at all.

And the cycle of life continues...


Yet both comics and TV keep writing for the collected edition.....
 
2013-01-19 08:23:59 AM  
It's set in space?

I don't think any space TV show has had a decent ending. Closest was DS9, but I didn't like how Sisco just up and went Prophet.

Space shows with a follow-up movie don't count (Peacekeeper Wars was awesome. Right, Harvey?)
 
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