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2013-01-18 11:31:43 PM  

stirfrybry: thisisyourbrainonFark: stirfrybry: juvandy: When these crazy farks are caught, instead of plastering their name/photos all over the internet, can't we just enforce their right to a speedy trial and, if convicted, start drawing/quartering them, while keeping their names anonymous?

farkING THIS!!!!

Indeed!!1!1!! More ignorance for all!!1!

Yeah, that makes sense. Give the crazy dude the attention he sought.

You're not too bright, are you?


I know, right? Fark the facts. The less known the better.
 
2013-01-18 11:31:55 PM  
Headline is a winner!  Well done...
 
2013-01-18 11:32:43 PM  

atomicmask: Your logic is retarded

[...], let me tell you why..


I think I just found a nym for my new alt.
 
2013-01-18 11:34:00 PM  

Gyrfalcon: However, I have to ask why the Daily Fail felt the need to hyperemphasize that the woman was stabbed a DOZEN times in their headline. Is it that ten would have been okay, or implying that it was one short of instant death? Or just that all their writers are on speed?


Just eleven times wouldn't be cool. Look at all the trouble Subway is in...
 
2013-01-18 11:34:51 PM  
Fano

My hometown (and folks) might be safer if he DID go to Mongo.

I hadn't thought about him in decades, but I just did a google search for him, and he's still in my hometown as a newspaper "courier" at age 41.

Uh-oh.
 
2013-01-18 11:35:55 PM  
Executive Action needed to ban or control:
a) knives
b) mothers
c) black people
d) bed bath and beyonds
e) babies
f) a dozen of anything
g) cats
h) all of the above

If you guessed (e), you're wrong... That's already being controlled.
 
2013-01-18 11:38:03 PM  

RandomRandom: A psychiatric system? Because the Republicans deemed that a "Social Program" and reduced it to rubble.

Most mass shooters, most random psychos like this nutjob would probably have been in a psychiatric system, if we still had one, we don't.

/Thanks Republicans!



That is a lie.


Link

Link


/Please stop repeating lies
 
2013-01-18 11:39:43 PM  
Micheal Keaton seen inconsolable
 
2013-01-18 11:40:37 PM  
I was expecting this thread to be full of people using this as justification for carrying guns.
And it delivered. Gun fanatics are up there with a homeless guy looking for his next drink when it comes to justifying their hobby. Logic has no part in it.
 
2013-01-18 11:41:32 PM  
This is why you should be careful in the Beyond section.
 
2013-01-18 11:41:36 PM  

Gyrfalcon: However, I have to ask why the Daily Fail felt the need to hyperemphasize that the woman was stabbed a DOZEN times in their headline. Is it that ten would have been okay, or implying that it was one short of instant death? Or just that all their writers are on speed?


First statement: no, you don't.
The rest: thank you for trying to add to the discussion, but your noise is oise. adults are talking.


/ps
Sure you didn't ask the same question when they reported how many rounds were fired at Sandy Hook or Colorado.
 
2013-01-18 11:41:57 PM  

Amos Quito: Indubitably: JDJoeE: Why was the perp out of jail? Hopefully this time he leaves horizontally. In a box.

To wish death on another invites same. That is all.

Quit it.


Oh c'mon, Indub.

No one here gets out alive.

You know that.


DOA?
 
2013-01-18 11:42:03 PM  

whatshisname: I was expecting this thread to be full of people using this as justification for carrying guns.
And it delivered. Gun fanatics are up there with a homeless guy looking for his next drink when it comes to justifying their hobby. Logic has no part in it.


Guy walks down street carrying groceries in his hands
Drops them
Someone suggests he use a bag

GOD DAMN BAG FANATICS TRYING TO JUSTIFY THEIR HOBBY

Who would have thought that if someone is hurt or made a victim someone would suggest personal defense weapons?!
 
2013-01-18 11:43:07 PM  

James F. Campbell: atomicmask: The fact that violent criminals will NOT disappear with the disappearance of firearms is evident with this very article,

[home.comcast.net image 600x460]


There is no correlation between countries where people have firearms and where they don't and violence in them. The amount of violence is independent of what tools are available to carry it out.

Furthermore consider Pao Ching-yen's observation that institutionalized violence by the state generates imitative violence by the people. If that is true, firearms would be irrelevant to the level of violence.
 
2013-01-18 11:43:18 PM  

illannoyin: RandomRandom: A psychiatric system? Because the Republicans deemed that a "Social Program" and reduced it to rubble.

Most mass shooters, most random psychos like this nutjob would probably have been in a psychiatric system, if we still had one, we don't.

/Thanks Republicans!


That is a lie.


Link

Link


/Please stop repeating lies


THIS

/lib lies are lib lies
 
2013-01-18 11:43:33 PM  

doglover: Back in December, Haynes was charged with animal cruelty for setting a cat on fire

And people doubt me when I say you should just hang people who are cruel to animals. Anyone who can abuse an animal is evil and prefers helpless victims. They will always escalate their cruelty. We don't need them.


I am no animal abuser, but this is complete bullshiat.
 
2013-01-18 11:43:47 PM  

Civil_War2_Time: Fano

My hometown (and folks) might be safer if he DID go to Mongo.

I hadn't thought about him in decades, but I just did a google search for him, and he's still in my hometown as a newspaper "courier" at age 41.

Uh-oh.


Hawkmen DIEEEEEEE!
 
2013-01-18 11:45:52 PM  

atomicmask: if SHE had possessed a weapon, her life might have NEVER been in danger..


Or this lunatic stabs her anyway AND NOW HE'S GOT A GUN.

"Haynes allegedly rushed upon Kerri Dalton, 29, with no warning as she pushed her son's stroller through the store"

What's your thinking here? She's pushing a stroller with gun in her hand? She's shooting anyone who gets within three feet of her?

Here's the biggest problem. Most people are irresponsible assholes who do enough damage already. Guns just increase that capability.
 
2013-01-18 11:46:37 PM  

atomicmask: Who would have thought that if someone is hurt or made a victim someone would suggest personal defense weapons?!


I'd suggest living somewhere where you're less likely to be shot, but hey that's just me.
 
2013-01-18 11:47:50 PM  

Indubitably: megarian: Amos Quito: Indubitably: JDJoeE: Why was the perp out of jail? Hopefully this time he leaves horizontally. In a box.

To wish death on another invites same. That is all.

Quit it.


Oh c'mon, Indub.

No one here gets out alive.

You know that.

DOA?

Not me, mosquitey, you?

To snikty


When you comment, I "tehehe".

... And Wolverine had nothing to
do with this?
 
2013-01-18 11:48:27 PM  

OscarTamerz: [o3.aolcdn.com image 242x203]
It sure is a good thing she didn't have a gun to defend herself with otherwise there might have been another terrible, racist miscarriage of justice like with poor Trayvon Martin.

[sadhillnews.com image 547x410]


Just call them both "ni**ers", since that's what you're sheepishly trying to indicate.
 
2013-01-18 11:49:18 PM  
The trouble with serial killers these days is they all want their Lifetime movie right farking now.
 
2013-01-18 11:50:12 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Back in December, Haynes was charged with animal cruelty for setting a cat on fire

Um...WHY THE FARK WAS THIS GUY OUT ON BAIL?


I did some searching into New Jersey animal cruelty laws, and like many states, the laws are pretty lax. There are two levels of animal cruelty:
'normal' Cruelty to Animals is simply a Disorderly Persons offense with a fine of $250-1000 and up to 6 months imprisonment
Aggravate Cruelty to Animals is a 4th degree felony crime with a max punishment of $1000 and/or 18 months in prison.

I wouldn't be surprised if they only gave him the Disorderly Persons charge.
Source: pdf file

//Good news Dakotans, you're the only two states I know of where there is no felony statue for cruelty to animals.
 
2013-01-18 11:51:27 PM  

Fano: Civil_War2_Time: Fano

My hometown (and folks) might be safer if he DID go to Mongo.

I hadn't thought about him in decades, but I just did a google search for him, and he's still in my hometown as a newspaper "courier" at age 41.

Uh-oh.

Hawkmen DIEEEEEEE!


I have to admit, that movie was entertaining back then as a teen. Probably the hot chick with the sexy accent.
 
2013-01-18 11:51:28 PM  

Amos Quito: Vectron: Fact of the day. Black Males between 18 and 49 commit over half of all murders in the US.

Shouldn't Obama do something about that?


He is.

He's working to ban the weapons that these folks almost never use to commit their crimes.

What more could you ask?


So closing the gunshow loophole won't basically shut down the way that the grand majority of guns get into criminal's hands?
 
2013-01-18 11:51:49 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: atomicmask: if SHE had possessed a weapon, her life might have NEVER been in danger..

Or this lunatic stabs her anyway AND NOW HE'S GOT A GUN.

"Haynes allegedly rushed upon Kerri Dalton, 29, with no warning as she pushed her son's stroller through the store"

What's your thinking here? She's pushing a stroller with gun in her hand? She's shooting anyone who gets within three feet of her?

Here's the biggest problem. Most people are irresponsible assholes who do enough damage already. Guns just increase that capability.


Yeah everyone is just an irresponsible asshole, thats why we have a population of around 50,000 in the united states because everyone is just constantly murdering one another!

Or you are a hyper emotional ass.

here is a news flash, you are not the only capable sane person in the world. The majority of people are very rational, calm, polite, and non-violent. The fact that you view many of your neighors as frothing at the mouth psychopaths says more about your mental instability then theirs.

Again your what if is not superior or more logical then mine. Again if she had the possibility of defense, it is still a better chance to not be stabbed to death then the complete lack of possibility of defense...and this article is proof of what would and DID happen without a gun.
 
2013-01-18 11:52:05 PM  

Lumpmoose: mjoven1975: Obama needs to ban all knives immediately. I don't care if we have to cut meat with a spoon, we need to get dangerous knives off our streets!

No need.  She's alive.  The 24 Chinese stabbing victims all survived.  Knives clearly have nowhere near the capacity to kill as semi-automatic firearms, hence guns are in their own category.  But who knows, maybe with Obama's executive actions, we'll get some real research on that.


It's fine in your book as long as she's just mutilated and not dead? You people have a really farked up way of thinking. Do you not see that this is a mental illness problem that we need to take care of? The focus on the incremental banning of guns will only mean this type of thing happens MORE often, because YOU'RE NOT SOLVING THE PROBLEM, YOU'RE MASKING SYMPTOMS, and making it harder for people to defend themselves from these monsters.
 
2013-01-18 11:53:18 PM  

whatshisname: atomicmask: Who would have thought that if someone is hurt or made a victim someone would suggest personal defense weapons?!

I'd suggest living somewhere where you're less likely to be shot, but hey that's just me.


I do live somewhere I am highly unlikely to be shot, it is coincidentally, the part of the state with the highest amount of registered gun owners. Funny that.
 
2013-01-18 11:54:05 PM  
My baby din do nuffin'

He's turin' his life 'round an gettin his GED.
 
2013-01-18 11:55:12 PM  

atomicmask: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: atomicmask: if SHE had possessed a weapon, her life might have NEVER been in danger..

Or this lunatic stabs her anyway AND NOW HE'S GOT A GUN.

"Haynes allegedly rushed upon Kerri Dalton, 29, with no warning as she pushed her son's stroller through the store"

What's your thinking here? She's pushing a stroller with gun in her hand? She's shooting anyone who gets within three feet of her?

Here's the biggest problem. Most people are irresponsible assholes who do enough damage already. Guns just increase that capability.

Yeah everyone is just an irresponsible asshole, thats why we have a population of around 50,000 in the united states because everyone is just constantly murdering one another!

Or you are a hyper emotional ass.

here is a news flash, you are not the only capable sane person in the world. The majority of people are very rational, calm, polite, and non-violent. The fact that you view many of your neighors as frothing at the mouth psychopaths says more about your mental instability then theirs.

Again your what if is not superior or more logical then mine. Again if she had the possibility of defense, it is still a better chance to not be stabbed to death then the complete lack of possibility of defense...and this article is proof of what would and DID happen without a gun.


Yup. She's alive and her kid was unharmed.
 
2013-01-18 11:56:22 PM  

jonjr215: Headline is a winner!  Well done...


Ahem.

images1.wikia.nocookie.net
/hot like Michelle Pfeiffer
 
2013-01-18 11:56:28 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: atomicmask: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: atomicmask: if SHE had possessed a weapon, her life might have NEVER been in danger..

Or this lunatic stabs her anyway AND NOW HE'S GOT A GUN.

"Haynes allegedly rushed upon Kerri Dalton, 29, with no warning as she pushed her son's stroller through the store"

What's your thinking here? She's pushing a stroller with gun in her hand? She's shooting anyone who gets within three feet of her?

Here's the biggest problem. Most people are irresponsible assholes who do enough damage already. Guns just increase that capability.

Yeah everyone is just an irresponsible asshole, thats why we have a population of around 50,000 in the united states because everyone is just constantly murdering one another!

Or you are a hyper emotional ass.

here is a news flash, you are not the only capable sane person in the world. The majority of people are very rational, calm, polite, and non-violent. The fact that you view many of your neighors as frothing at the mouth psychopaths says more about your mental instability then theirs.

Again your what if is not superior or more logical then mine. Again if she had the possibility of defense, it is still a better chance to not be stabbed to death then the complete lack of possibility of defense...and this article is proof of what would and DID happen without a gun.

Yup. She's alive and her kid was unharmed.


And sliced up and stuck with two holes in her lungs with a long painful recovery.
 
2013-01-18 11:56:37 PM  

bluedevil: NEDM


Yes.
 
2013-01-18 11:57:21 PM  

WhippingBoy

DubyaHater: What will Obama say about this tragedy? Oh right, we only care about gun control in this country.

Think of the high score he could have gotten if only he had a Bushmaster.

Just like the bushmaster used at Sandy Hook huh?

Truth still eluding you.
 
2013-01-18 11:58:37 PM  

namatad: AdolfOliverPanties: Back in December, Haynes was charged with animal cruelty for setting a cat on fire

Um...WHY THE FARK WAS THIS GUY OUT ON BAIL?

And IMO, $1 million bail right now is too little.  Luckily, this poor woman is stable, but her life is forever changed.  This asshole should have either NO bail allowed or something ridiculous, like a million, billion dollars.

my guess is that for certain crimes, state law requires that bail be set and 1 million is set as a "fair" but unreachable amount. 1 trillion would be impossible and therefore "might" be grounds for some kind of retarded appeal.

but in what way was this guy not a CLEAR and PRESENT danger to all humans?
bail should be denied


I bet in the old days this guy would have just "disappeared" into a patch of woods or a shallow grave at best. As sick and morbid as it sounds, I wonder how many more psychos are alive today because of a reduction in vigilante killings.
 
2013-01-18 11:58:39 PM  
fugeeface
2013-01-18 10:02:46 PM

We need to immediately ban all knives over 2" in length and with more than one sharp edge. If we can save just ONE life, then it will be all worth it. No one needs a knife over 2", you can still cut whatever you need with a 2 inch knife.

You are a moron!

How many inches of blade do you think it takes to kill you? I have the answer idiot!

As many as they are willing to sport...jackass
 
2013-01-18 11:58:56 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Do you not see that this is a mental illness problem that we need to take care of?


So, by that logic, the US has about 500% more mentally ill people than Canada? Why? Is there something in the water?
 
2013-01-18 11:59:13 PM  

Indubitably: megarian: Indubitably: megarian: Amos Quito: Indubitably: JDJoeE: Why was the perp out of jail? Hopefully this time he leaves horizontally. In a box.

To wish death on another invites same. That is all.

Quit it.


Oh c'mon, Indub.

No one here gets out alive.

You know that.

DOA?

Not me, mosquitey, you?

To snikty

When you comment, I "tehehe".

... And Wolverine had nothing to
do with this?

You aren't real.


When you're right, you're right.
 
2013-01-18 11:59:38 PM  

James F. Campbell: atomicmask: The fact that violent criminals will NOT disappear with the disappearance of firearms is evident with this very article,

[home.comcast.net image 600x460]


Unless the crime was committed by poison, all homicides were initiated with an assault, dearie. An "assault" is simply an act intended to cause the victim to be in apprehension of an imminent attack, OR an attempted battery; and you have to admit that any action preliminary to striking or touching the victim is going to be an assault.

So unless you slipped some arsenic into their elderberry wine, anything else you did before killing them was assault them, regardless of whether you killed them with a bazooka or a dish towel.
 
2013-01-18 11:59:42 PM  

atomicmask: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: atomicmask: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: atomicmask: if SHE had possessed a weapon, her life might have NEVER been in danger..

Or this lunatic stabs her anyway AND NOW HE'S GOT A GUN.

"Haynes allegedly rushed upon Kerri Dalton, 29, with no warning as she pushed her son's stroller through the store"

What's your thinking here? She's pushing a stroller with gun in her hand? She's shooting anyone who gets within three feet of her?

Here's the biggest problem. Most people are irresponsible assholes who do enough damage already. Guns just increase that capability.

Yeah everyone is just an irresponsible asshole, thats why we have a population of around 50,000 in the united states because everyone is just constantly murdering one another!

Or you are a hyper emotional ass.

here is a news flash, you are not the only capable sane person in the world. The majority of people are very rational, calm, polite, and non-violent. The fact that you view many of your neighors as frothing at the mouth psychopaths says more about your mental instability then theirs.

Again your what if is not superior or more logical then mine. Again if she had the possibility of defense, it is still a better chance to not be stabbed to death then the complete lack of possibility of defense...and this article is proof of what would and DID happen without a gun.

Yup. She's alive and her kid was unharmed.

And sliced up and stuck with two holes in her lungs with a long painful recovery.


Wow, weapons-grade idiotic.
 
2013-01-19 12:00:55 AM  

Vectron: doglover: Back in December, Haynes was charged with animal cruelty for setting a cat on fire

And people doubt me when I say you should just hang people who are cruel to animals. Anyone who can abuse an animal is evil and prefers helpless victims. They will always escalate their cruelty. We don't need them.

[fromtheleft.files.wordpress.com image 475x360]


Case in point.
 
2013-01-19 12:01:46 AM  

Alonjar: fusillade762:
Contrabulous Flabtraption: Kinda of interesting as far as the "no guns then psychos will kill with other weapons" argument

Please note that the victim isn't dead.

Eighty something percent of all stabbings are fatal, vs only something like fifteen percent of shootings.

Your argument holds no weight.

/Its certainly easier to shoot 30 people than stab them though


Curious to know where you're getting those numbers. From what I can find the mortality rates of the two are nowhere near that.

According to a Harvard study (link provided below) about 65,000 people each year suffer gunshot wounds, but only about 30,000 die. So the answer in that context is, about 46 percent. However, that includes all gunshot wounds, not separated by whether it was an accident or an intentional crime, and about half of the 30,000 are intentional suicides. So some of the deaths may possibly be discounted, or maybe not, depending on what exactly you wanted to know. Discounting suicides, the rate then actually drops to 15,000 in 50,000, or 30%.

The Journal of Trauma (36:4 pp516-524) looked at all injury admissions
to a Seattle hospital over a six year period. The mortality rate for
gunshot wounds was 22% while that for stab wounds was 4%
. Even among
patients that survived, gunshot wounds were more serious -- the mean
cost of treatment for these patients was more than twice that for stab
wounds.


We see that mortalities for each pointed weapon are not significantly
different from mortalities for all pointed weapons, but that
mortalities for stab wounds are significantly less than mortalities from gun
shots
.
 
2013-01-19 12:01:49 AM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: atomicmask: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: atomicmask: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: atomicmask: if SHE had possessed a weapon, her life might have NEVER been in danger..

Or this lunatic stabs her anyway AND NOW HE'S GOT A GUN.

"Haynes allegedly rushed upon Kerri Dalton, 29, with no warning as she pushed her son's stroller through the store"

What's your thinking here? She's pushing a stroller with gun in her hand? She's shooting anyone who gets within three feet of her?

Here's the biggest problem. Most people are irresponsible assholes who do enough damage already. Guns just increase that capability.

Yeah everyone is just an irresponsible asshole, thats why we have a population of around 50,000 in the united states because everyone is just constantly murdering one another!

Or you are a hyper emotional ass.

here is a news flash, you are not the only capable sane person in the world. The majority of people are very rational, calm, polite, and non-violent. The fact that you view many of your neighors as frothing at the mouth psychopaths says more about your mental instability then theirs.

Again your what if is not superior or more logical then mine. Again if she had the possibility of defense, it is still a better chance to not be stabbed to death then the complete lack of possibility of defense...and this article is proof of what would and DID happen without a gun.

Yup. She's alive and her kid was unharmed.

And sliced up and stuck with two holes in her lungs with a long painful recovery.

Wow, weapons-grade idiotic.


You are the type of twat that thinks being alive is equal to living...arn't you? I am sure you would wipe that mongo brow of yours in relief if you had a kid and he was stabbed and had his spinal cord split, but as long as he was alive its alright...things are fine!

Worse things then death, shiat head.
 
2013-01-19 12:03:00 AM  

mjoven1975: Obama needs to ban all knives immediately. I don't care if we have to cut meat with a spoon, we need to get dangerous knives off our streets!


lifeissweet16.files.wordpress.com
That's even worse, because it's dull, you idiot!
 
2013-01-19 12:03:28 AM  

atomicmask: And sliced up and stuck with two holes in her lungs with a long painful recovery.


So you're position is that, as sad as her injuries are, this is not a better result than 20 children and 6 adults dead. And therefore knifes should be covered by the same regulations as guns.

Really?
 
2013-01-19 12:03:58 AM  

atomicmask: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: atomicmask: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: atomicmask: if SHE had possessed a weapon, her life might have NEVER been in danger..

Or this lunatic stabs her anyway AND NOW HE'S GOT A GUN.

"Haynes allegedly rushed upon Kerri Dalton, 29, with no warning as she pushed her son's stroller through the store"

What's your thinking here? She's pushing a stroller with gun in her hand? She's shooting anyone who gets within three feet of her?

Here's the biggest problem. Most people are irresponsible assholes who do enough damage already. Guns just increase that capability.

Yeah everyone is just an irresponsible asshole, thats why we have a population of around 50,000 in the united states because everyone is just constantly murdering one another!

Or you are a hyper emotional ass.

here is a news flash, you are not the only capable sane person in the world. The majority of people are very rational, calm, polite, and non-violent. The fact that you view many of your neighors as frothing at the mouth psychopaths says more about your mental instability then theirs.

Again your what if is not superior or more logical then mine. Again if she had the possibility of defense, it is still a better chance to not be stabbed to death then the complete lack of possibility of defense...and this article is proof of what would and DID happen without a gun.

Yup. She's alive and her kid was unharmed.

And sliced up and stuck with two holes in her lungs with a long painful recovery.


Please narrate for us the tale of how this woman, open carrying in a mall, gets a better outcome.
 
2013-01-19 12:04:24 AM  
see, even if we make guns much much harder to get, crazies will still commit random acts of violence.

Of course, they may be limited to far fewer victims and the victims have a much much better chance of surviving but there must still be some sort of point in there somewhere
 
2013-01-19 12:04:30 AM  
Ok WTF? Gun control issue aside (the reason this thread has so many comment's I assume), seriously WTF?
 
2013-01-19 12:05:37 AM  

Farking Canuck: atomicmask: And sliced up and stuck with two holes in her lungs with a long painful recovery.

So you're position is that, as sad as her injuries are, this is not a better result than 20 children and 6 adults dead. And therefore knifes should be covered by the same regulations as guns.

Really?


No, my position is that PSYCHOPATHS are the cause of both events, not GUNS or KNIVES. A gun may make killing easier, but it makes DEFENSE easier also. It gives someone a chance to save themselves, instead of making sure that strength and youth are the deciding factors in life or death. Again no one has addressed how a 80 year old grandma is supposed to fight off a full grown man intent on slitting her throat without a gun.. With a gun she could again, be on equal grounds with the attacker. Without one it is her strength and speed vs the attackers..and she will lose everytime.
 
2013-01-19 12:05:50 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Yup. She's alive and her kid was unharmed.


Here you go again with your claim of psychic powers.

You really think he didn't kill her or her kid because he didn't have a gun? Is that what you're going with here? Most likely he didn't want to kill her, he wanted her to suffer.
 
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