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(Huffington Post)   Some liberal says that college makes people more tolerant, so we should strive for a well-educated population. Oh wait, no, that was Santorum and he thinks that we should strive for an uneducated population   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 268
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2013-01-18 05:33:51 PM
We've known for a long time that education and voting Democrat had a high correlation.
And I've suspected for a long time that Republicans were attacking education for exactly this reason.
I just never expected them to actually come out and SAY it.
 
2013-01-18 05:36:46 PM
I can't decide if Santorum needs a real good farking or if he needs to go die in a fire. Maybe it's both.

Talk about repressed sexual issues. Damn.
 
2013-01-18 05:38:27 PM
I didn't have any gay marriage abortion porn in college. Is this just the Ivy League schools?
 
2013-01-18 05:41:40 PM
I was a lefty before college, I just learned to focus it better there
 
2013-01-18 05:53:20 PM
Seems to me half the folks in college were conservatives. Somehow they weren't cured.
 
2013-01-18 05:53:32 PM

Kimothy: I can't decide if Santorum needs a real good farking or if he needs to go die in a fire. Maybe it's both.

Talk about repressed sexual issues. Damn.


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2013-01-18 05:55:12 PM
People generally become more liberal between 18 and 25.  Regardless of whether they go to college.  The only exceptions are people caught in the trap of fundamentalist religion, irretrievably racist individuals from (usually) Christian backgrounds, and the occasional trust-fund College Republican who goes to college because he doesn't get access to the rest of the inheritance unless he does.  Every once in a while there's someone who used to be liberal but then goes through a period of mental instability when they find religion and become more conservative.  Or someone who gets addicted to a substance or activity, and decides that the only way they can remain sober is to view the world with the set of blinders which religion provide.

Liberalization of attitudes comes naturally as knowledge of the world becomes broader.  It's pretty obvious to most people.
 
2013-01-18 06:09:41 PM

dahmers love zombie: People generally become more liberal between 18 and 25.  Regardless of whether they go to college.  The only exceptions are people caught in the trap of fundamentalist religion, irretrievably racist individuals from (usually) Christian backgrounds, and the occasional trust-fund College Republican who goes to college because he doesn't get access to the rest of the inheritance unless he does.  Every once in a while there's someone who used to be liberal but then goes through a period of mental instability when they find religion and become more conservative.  Or someone who gets addicted to a substance or activity, and decides that the only way they can remain sober is to view the world with the set of blinders which religion provide.

Liberalization of attitudes comes naturally as knowledge of the world becomes broader.  It's pretty obvious to most people.


If a liter had written this, I would have gifted him/her a month of TF.
 
2013-01-18 06:15:53 PM

edmo: Seems to me half the folks in college were conservatives. Somehow they weren't cured.


From Rick's wiki page:

He obtained an undergraduate degree from Pennsylvania State University, an M.B.A. from the University of Pittsburgh, and a J.D. from the Dickinson School of Law.

How did he manage to escape the brainwashing? Maybe he's some kind of Manchurian Candidate??
 
2013-01-18 06:16:28 PM
Why are people still listening to this person?
 
2013-01-18 06:17:35 PM

dahmers love zombie: People generally become more liberal between 18 and 25.  Regardless of whether they go to college.  The only exceptions are people caught in the trap of fundamentalist religion, irretrievably racist individuals from (usually) Christian backgrounds, and the occasional trust-fund College Republican who goes to college because he doesn't get access to the rest of the inheritance unless he does.  Every once in a while there's someone who used to be liberal but then goes through a period of mental instability when they find religion and become more conservative.  Or someone who gets addicted to a substance or activity, and decides that the only way they can remain sober is to view the world with the set of blinders which religion provide.

Liberalization of attitudes comes naturally as knowledge of the world becomes broader.  It's pretty obvious to most people.


Well said.
 
2013-01-18 06:18:49 PM

Mugato: Why are people still listening to this person?


Because, for a time, he was the front-runner for the Republican presidential primary.  In other words, this is who the GOP was going to choose to lead them and represent their ideals.
 
2013-01-18 06:20:37 PM

RedPhoenix122: Mugato: Why are people still listening to this person?

Because, for a time, he was the front-runner for the Republican presidential primary.  In other words, this is who the GOP was going to choose to lead them and represent their ideals.


I understand that. Past tense.
 
2013-01-18 06:21:50 PM

Mugato: I understand that. Past tense.


Right, but it wasn't that long ago, and the fact that this is who they would choose to lead them speaks volumes of the current state of mind of the party.
 
2013-01-18 06:22:24 PM
Santorum stinks!

And the former senator from PA is an idiot.
 
2013-01-18 06:23:21 PM
If only he had won the primaries, then he could have beaten Obama and we would have had real change.

A bible on every coffee table, and a dead baby for every child to hold.
 
2013-01-18 06:23:30 PM

Mugato: RedPhoenix122: Mugato: Why are people still listening to this person?

Because, for a time, he was the front-runner for the Republican presidential primary.  In other words, this is who the GOP was going to choose to lead them and represent their ideals.

I understand that. Past tense.


Maybe it's the same reason people still listen to the irrelevance that is Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck?
Because they're farking retarded.
 
2013-01-18 06:23:52 PM
Yah. Can I just get some fries?
 
2013-01-18 06:27:46 PM
Well FFFUUUU if I'd known he were a KGSB grad I'd never have gone there.

/that school sucked
 
2013-01-18 06:36:21 PM
Unless you're going to school to make money after you graduate, education is a complete waste of time.

Now I'm going to take the next few minutes to practice holding a straight face. Can I do it?
 
2013-01-18 06:37:59 PM
The problem for the right is the vilification of ignorance. Intelligence is the engine and knowledge the fuel. A stupid person with a good memory can win Jeopardy but cannot do anything with that knowledge, a smart person without access to good information will make bad choices and go down wrong paths.

Glorifying ignorance, as the right wing media apparatus does, rewards choosing to be ignorant. I have no qualms with dumb people, some people just lack the mental capacity at a biological level to do some higher level thinking. I do however find willful ignorance immoral, why would you chose to limit yourself in that way? The number of times I see someone post conservative BS, get Snoops'ed and freak out, no you are entitled to your own world based on bad info. Either admit you are acting out of emotions and being wholly irrational or adjust your views to be fact based.

/I found the words the repeal most conservatives are "Do you have a source for that?" and "THE DEVIL COMPELS ME!"
 
2013-01-18 06:44:48 PM

zedster: Glorifying ignorance


Here's the thing: acquiring knowledge and the ability to apply it constructively is hard. Oh, for many people, it comes naturally, and everyone has the capacity to do it. But for the vast majority of human beings, it requires effort.

The reward for this effort? It's abstract. You can't really appreciate it until after you've done it. From the position of someone who prizes knowledge for its own sake, it's hard to look back to the position of someone who doesn't. There's a fundamental disconnect in the worldviews.

Speaking personally, every time I hear someone ask, "When would I ever use this?" or "Why do I need to learn this?" I die a little bit inside.
 
2013-01-18 06:48:18 PM
Religious zealots should not be allowed to hold public office.
 
2013-01-18 06:51:40 PM
This is the best argument for affordable college educations I've heard.
 
2013-01-18 06:53:42 PM

RedPhoenix122: Mugato: Why are people still listening to this person?

Because, for a time, he was the front-runner for the Republican presidential primary.  In other words, this is who the GOP was going to choose to lead them and represent their ideals.


I think a lot of his supporters just wanted him to get the nomination because he gave them an opportunity to vote against Obama without having to worry about the catastrophe that would have ensued if he or one of the other Republicans won.
 
2013-01-18 06:53:53 PM
"The dumbing down of America is evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30-second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pesudo-science and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance. As I write, the number-one video rental in America is the movie Dumb and Dumber. "Beavis and Butthead" remain popular (and influential) with young TV viewers. The plain lesson is that study - and learning - not just of science, but of anything - are avoidable, even undesirable."

- Carl Sagan,  Demon-Haunted World (1993)

It's almost disturbing, the degree to which he was able to predict dreck like  Here Comes Honey Boo-Boo, Jersey Shore, Buckwild, Duck Dynasty, Ghost Hunters,etc, to say nothing of idiots like Ass-Froth up there.
 
2013-01-18 06:55:44 PM
Says the lawyer
 
2013-01-18 06:55:57 PM
Also:

"I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time-when the Unites States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness."

Scary stuff, how right he was/is.
 
2013-01-18 06:56:56 PM

t3knomanser: zedster: Glorifying ignorance

Here's the thing: acquiring knowledge and the ability to apply it constructively is hard. Oh, for many people, it comes naturally, and everyone has the capacity to do it. But for the vast majority of human beings, it requires effort.

The reward for this effort? It's abstract. You can't really appreciate it until after you've done it. From the position of someone who prizes knowledge for its own sake, it's hard to look back to the position of someone who doesn't. There's a fundamental disconnect in the worldviews.

Speaking personally, every time I hear someone ask, "When would I ever use this?" or "Why do I need to learn this?" I die a little bit inside.


I think there is a cultural component to it, I grew up a moderately religious Jew by American standards (kept kosher, shabbat dinners every Friday, etc...) however, unlike many other religions most forms of Judaism have trying to better understand the world as a way of reaching god/enlightenment. The makes science and knowledge something to be pursued.

Many other cultures/sub-cultures glorify other goals (wealth, power, physical fortitude, making babies, etc...) over knowledge. The US only really pushed science at a national level when the goal was to f**k over the Russians, now that that push is gone the wind is out of our sails.

... I guess what I'm saying is we should wag the dog and make up some fake enemy in another star system and we will get people to actually care and build the infrastructure to get there and bomb them.
 
2013-01-18 06:58:18 PM

whistleridge: Also:

"I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time-when the Unites States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness."

Scary stuff, how right he was/is.


Yes he dies and Dick Cheney still survives. Maybe this is just a simulation.
 
2013-01-18 06:59:01 PM
You mean the more educated you are the less likely you are to believe in ancient myths? Color me shocked!

But yes, Republicans have been trying to destroy the public education system in this country for decades now because they much prefer to have kids taught in private schools that can cram religion into their brains. What Santorum said is no secret and it's refreshing that he is being so honest about it.
 
2013-01-18 07:01:06 PM
Rick Santorumis a fine example of why I oppose religion every chance I get.
 
2013-01-18 07:01:27 PM

Pincy: they much prefer to have kids taught in private schools that can cram religion into their brains.


It's a little more complex than that. Carlin said it best: "They want live babies so they can grow up to become dead soldiers." Educated people tend to avoid the military, largely because being a soldier sucks and involves killing people, which also sucks.
 
2013-01-18 07:02:17 PM
Just think; this man has a better-than-even shot at being elected President in 2016.
 
2013-01-18 07:02:23 PM
This never gets old:
reason.com

/the best and the brightest!
 
2013-01-18 07:03:04 PM

whistleridge: "The dumbing down of America is evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30-second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pesudo-science and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance. As I write, the number-one video rental in America is the movie Dumb and Dumber. "Beavis and Butthead" remain popular (and influential) with young TV viewers. The plain lesson is that study - and learning - not just of science, but of anything - are avoidable, even undesirable."

- Carl Sagan, Demon-Haunted World (1993)


I agree with Sagan's sentiment, but it's too bad he didn't understand the satire that was "Beavis & Butthead," nor the intentional stupidity of "Dumb & Dumber."  Did he also rail against "The Three Stooges" for not being high brow enough?
 
2013-01-18 07:06:06 PM

unlikely: We've known for a long time that education and voting Democrat had a high correlation.


They've been saying it for a long time.

It's only been true for the last 6 or 7 years. And it's a result of them repeatedly saying it/acting as if it were true, not the cause.

Sort of a "don't make that face, or it'll stick that way" thing, if they hadn't told us very explicitly around 2006 or so that we weren't welcome in the party anymore, a lot more of us would likely still be Republicans, and possibly the platform would not have gone full retard quite as fast.

//The GOP platform being uniformly and explicitly stupid, mysogynist, and racist is another thing that's been said for quite a while but only recently became unarguable fact (around 2009/2010 or so was when it went from "some of our members are stupid racist woman-haters" to "all of the people writing the party platform"). I suspect the relative timing of the two demographic/ideological thresholds isn't a coincidence.
 
2013-01-18 07:06:41 PM
Sounds like somebody's been reading God and Man at Yale.

/sounds better in a Boston brahmin drawl.
 
2013-01-18 07:08:01 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: it's too bad he didn't understand the satire that was "Beavis & Butthead," nor the intentional stupidity of "Dumb & Dumber."


He did miss something, there. Of course, at the time he was writing that, "Beavis and Butthead" was still quite new, and the only thing most people over 22 knew about it was that it involved stupidity and was beloved by the younger generation.
 
2013-01-18 07:10:03 PM

Cornelius Dribble: /sounds better in a Boston brahmin drawl.


Sounds better as a Boston album.
 
2013-01-18 07:10:48 PM

whistleridge: As I write, the number-one video rental in America is the movie Dumb and Dumber. "Beavis and Butthead" remain popular


It's ironic that Beavis and Butthead went over this smart guy's head.
 
2013-01-18 07:10:53 PM
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2013-01-18 07:13:10 PM

PreMortem: Religious zealots should not be allowed to hold public office.


And this should enforced solely by people refusing to vote for them.
 
2013-01-18 07:13:14 PM
Let's see here, Roe v. Wade is turning 40, Santorum is 54. Too bad Rick's mom didn't have a choice.
 
2013-01-18 07:14:02 PM
 
2013-01-18 07:14:09 PM
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2013-01-18 07:15:16 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: I agree with Sagan's sentiment, but it's too bad he didn't understand the satire that was "Beavis & Butthead," nor the intentional stupidity of "Dumb & Dumber."  Did he also rail against "The Three Stooges" for not being high brow enough?


No. I think he (rightly) thought that those shows weren't hugely popular as satire, any more than Jersey Shorewas. Yes, the college-educated demographic looks at them that way, but if 20,000,000 people watch something like  Jackass, only 1,000,000 or so are all that bright. And the rest are learning that yes, it is ok to be dumb, to revel in it, to be proud of it, and to look down on those who are brighter or more educated than you. Affer al, why dey gots 2 b usen them 50-cent wurdz, yo?
 
2013-01-18 07:15:19 PM
That's funny, I went to college and have zero tolerance for morons like Santorum.
 
2013-01-18 07:17:53 PM

t3knomanser: zedster: Glorifying ignorance

Here's the thing: acquiring knowledge and the ability to apply it constructively is hard. Oh, for many people, it comes naturally, and everyone has the capacity to do it. But for the vast majority of human beings, it requires effort.

The reward for this effort? It's abstract. You can't really appreciate it until after you've done it. From the position of someone who prizes knowledge for its own sake, it's hard to look back to the position of someone who doesn't. There's a fundamental disconnect in the worldviews.

Speaking personally, every time I hear someone ask, "When would I ever use this?" or "Why do I need to learn this?" I die a little bit inside.


It's not only difficult, it never, ever stops being difficult. You're never done. That's the appeal of authoritarianism, religious or any other flavor.
 
2013-01-18 07:18:54 PM

whistleridge: Yes, the college-educated demographic looks at them that way


Beavis and Butthead really were satire, and fairly clever satire at that. While it flew over the heads of the 13-16 year old male demographic which made up the backbone of their audience, there's a subtle genius in "Beavis and Butthead".

But you're right in that for most people, it was, "Duhur, theys just like us." But it's unfair to hold that against the show, anymore than Office Space lays out a management plan, or Idiocracy lays out a goal for the future.
 
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