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(Salon)   Glee rips off Jonathan Coulton's cover of "Baby Got Back", becomes the catalyst of a war between music nerds and Glee nerds   (salon.com) divider line 36
    More: Asinine, Jonathan Coulton, Baby Got Back, Glee, Sir Mix-a-Lot  
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2013-01-18 04:44:48 PM
3 votes:
Glee fans don't like music anyway.
2013-01-18 04:23:45 PM
3 votes:
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2013-01-18 10:53:34 PM
2 votes:

soporific: vonschiller: I'd imagine that in the liner notes for Thing a Week it credits Sir Mix-a-Lot for the music and lyrics. Therefore, it's his song, not Coulton's. Sorry, music nerds, but your rage fails in court.

And you are wrong. It's a new arrangement, and while *MOST* of the lyrics are from Sir-Mix-A-Lot, some of them are Coulton's. He rewrote a few lines. The arrangement is all his. The issue is that Glee ripped off his arrangement and used *HIS* lyrics, rather than create their own arrangement. That's the issue and why people are bringing it up.


No, it's not. The issue is that it seems like Glee flat-out stole his instrumentation. He released the source tracks, but the catch is that Baby Got Back does not have the CC license all of his original songs do.

Personally? They sound identical to me. Left channel is Glee; right is Coulton.
2013-01-18 09:32:18 PM
2 votes:
2013-01-18 08:48:40 PM
2 votes:

vonschiller: I'd imagine that in the liner notes for Thing a Week it credits Sir Mix-a-Lot for the music and lyrics. Therefore, it's his song, not Coulton's. Sorry, music nerds, but your rage fails in court.


The lyrics, yeah, but the music? Not likely.
2013-01-18 06:28:55 PM
2 votes:

Malcolm_Sex: I don't think I can imagine something funnier than a guy crying about the artistic integrity of his "Baby got back" cover.


But it is an awesome cover.
2013-01-18 05:51:34 PM
2 votes:

Warlordtrooper: So hes complaining that somebody used music without his permission of him using somebody elses music?


No, he's complaining that they used *his arrangement* of someone else's music, as well as using his *original lyrics*, without so much as a by-your-leave. And they may have very well just simply recorded new vocals over his instrumental performance without so much as a by-your-leave.
2013-01-18 05:04:51 PM
2 votes:

thecpt: and is not even a household name.


He is in any household I prefer to be in.
2013-01-18 04:05:23 PM
2 votes:
John Coulton get up get coffee
John Coulton go to job
John Coulton see a show on TV
Find Internet forming mob
Glee sing a cover of Sir Mix-A-Lot
With line 'bout Jonnie C
Glee say original and eloquent
What do John Coulton think?

John Coulton think maybe @gleeonfox oughta write goddamn cover song themselves.
John Coulton not tweet it out loud,
John Coulton not crazy, just proud.

(I apologize in advance to Mr. Coulton for putting words in his mouth like that. Gotta sit down and pretend to work for a while, so have at it, Farkers!)
2013-01-18 02:46:26 PM
2 votes:
Seriously, glee, WTF.

That's not even a question of whether they copied his or not.

The only question I have is whether Coulton consulted Sir Mix-A-Lot before doing his...
2013-01-19 12:49:16 PM
1 votes:

stonelotus: The JoCo Primer - Getting Music
There are lots of ways to get music from me, whether you're a cyborg from the future with an iPod in your skull, or a little old granny in Idaho with nothing but an antique "CD Player." Lots of it is freely available depending on how technical you are - you can get all of it for free if you really try. But please remember I do make a living this way, so if you like what you hear I'd certainly appreciate you throwing a little payment or donation my way. If you can't afford it, for goodness sake please send copies of everything to all of your friends.

sounds to me like he'd prefer if you pay but doesn't care unless he thinks he can grab some free publicity and a settlement. he strikes me less as an artist and more as a whore who will do you for free if you're broke but cry "rape" if he thinks he can get something out of it.


Yeah, fark him for wanting to get paid for his work. Who cares if his kid gets fed, am I right?
2013-01-19 08:45:38 AM
1 votes:

ODDwhun: stonelotus: The JoCo Primer - Getting Music
There are lots of ways to get music from me, whether you're a cyborg from the future with an iPod in your skull, or a little old granny in Idaho with nothing but an antique "CD Player." Lots of it is freely available depending on how technical you are - you can get all of it for free if you really try. But please remember I do make a living this way, so if you like what you hear I'd certainly appreciate you throwing a little payment or donation my way. If you can't afford it, for goodness sake please send copies of everything to all of your friends.

sounds to me like he'd prefer if you pay but doesn't care unless he thinks he can grab some free publicity and a settlement. he strikes me less as an artist and more as a whore who will do you for free if you're broke but cry "rape" if he thinks he can get something out of it.

More like he'll do you for free, but he would want a cut if your gonna film it and sell the tape.


Also known as CC-NC, which all of his non-cover songs are licensed as.

Also the page with the music on it has "Everything else copyright © Jonathan Coulton" at the bottom. He has a copyright claim to the music, regardless of what licensing rules do or do not apply to it based on it being derivative work/etc.
2013-01-19 07:00:53 AM
1 votes:
Uh-oh, bad publicity
2013-01-19 02:19:21 AM
1 votes:

stonelotus: The JoCo Primer - Getting Music
There are lots of ways to get music from me, whether you're a cyborg from the future with an iPod in your skull, or a little old granny in Idaho with nothing but an antique "CD Player." Lots of it is freely available depending on how technical you are - you can get all of it for free if you really try. But please remember I do make a living this way, so if you like what you hear I'd certainly appreciate you throwing a little payment or donation my way. If you can't afford it, for goodness sake please send copies of everything to all of your friends.

sounds to me like he'd prefer if you pay but doesn't care unless he thinks he can grab some free publicity and a settlement. he strikes me less as an artist and more as a whore who will do you for free if you're broke but cry "rape" if he thinks he can get something out of it.


More like he'll do you for free, but he would want a cut if your gonna film it and sell the tape.
2013-01-18 10:43:37 PM
1 votes:
ASCAP killed the Glee club at Greendale a few years ago. Like seriously killed them.
Almost ruined the Christmas pageant but it was saved by Jeff Wingers study group. Then they went and Britta'd it all up.

Also I just want a Weird Al episode of Glee, then they have my permission to die.
2013-01-18 09:24:00 PM
1 votes:

vonschiller: I'd imagine that in the liner notes for Thing a Week it credits Sir Mix-a-Lot for the music and lyrics. Therefore, it's his song, not Coulton's. Sorry, music nerds, but your rage fails in court.


And you are wrong. It's a new arrangement, and while *MOST* of the lyrics are from Sir-Mix-A-Lot, some of them are Coulton's. He rewrote a few lines. The arrangement is all his. The issue is that Glee ripped off his arrangement and used *HIS* lyrics, rather than create their own arrangement. That's the issue and why people are bringing it up.
2013-01-18 09:06:35 PM
1 votes:

hulk hogan meat shoes: The only good thing about Glee is this shiat right here.

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Really? Her?
If you're into eye candy:

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/show is now terrible
2013-01-18 08:20:08 PM
1 votes:
The lyrics belong to Mix-a-lot, but Coulton wrote the new melody. It's theft.
2013-01-18 07:43:51 PM
1 votes:

pslong009: WhoIsWillo: unlikely: Seriously, glee, WTF.

That's not even a question of whether they copied his or not.

The only question I have is whether Coulton consulted Sir Mix-A-Lot before doing his...

They previously did this with the Greg Laswell version of "Girls Just Want to Have Fun" and credited him for the arrangement.

They also did it with their arrangement of Yeah by Usher. Glee pretty much ripped off their arrangement from a collegiate a cappella group.


This is worse than both those examples. Those other times, the cover versions that Glee ripped off were still using the same tunes as the originals. This one, they covered an original musical composition without doing the requisite work to get the rights to use it from the copyright holder of that musical composition. They needed to get rights from both Mix-A-Lot and Coulton.
2013-01-18 06:47:49 PM
1 votes:

Christian Bale: But arrangement and performance style, and production techniques are up for grabs.


Not true - arrangements are potentially protected by copyright. See the Copyright Office's publication on copyright of derivative works. The perfect example is using words from the Bible as lyrics to a song with new music. If the music is original and copyrightable in itself - if it would be copyrightable as an instrumental - then the derivative work is also copyrightable.
In this case, Coulton wrote an original melody and music, that would be copyrightable if it was an instrumental. Therefore, he also has rights to the derivative work. He has no rights over the lyrics.
2013-01-18 06:37:43 PM
1 votes:

Christian Bale: Style of performance is not copyrightable. You can rip off someone's performance, and many people have done so throughout the history of rock music. The author of the song gets songwriting credit, and if you use samples you have to pay the owner of the sound recording. But arrangement and performance style, and production techniques are up for grabs.


Except that this was an arrangement, rather than a performance style - he actually wrote new music that used Sir's lyrics. As such, the music is most definitely copyrightable.
2013-01-18 06:32:27 PM
1 votes:

unlikely: Seriously, glee, WTF.

That's not even a question of whether they copied his or not.

The only question I have is whether Coulton consulted Sir Mix-A-Lot before doing his...



He doesn't have to, and actually, they don't have to consult him before doing a cover of Baby's Got Back exactly like his.

Style of performance is not copyrightable. You can rip off someone's performance, and many people have done so throughout the history of rock music. The author of the song gets songwriting credit, and if you use samples you have to pay the owner of the sound recording. But arrangement and performance style, and production techniques are up for grabs.

This would be a great litmus test for whether they maybe should be, since they've ripped off the complete arrangment, performance style, and production of his version.
2013-01-18 06:32:27 PM
1 votes:

Malcolm_Sex: I don't think I can imagine something funnier than a guy crying about the artistic integrity of his "Baby got back" cover.


Who's crying about artistic integrity? If this qualifies as an illegitimate use of his melody and duck sound, then Jonnie gots ta get hisself paid.
2013-01-18 06:13:39 PM
1 votes:
I don't think I can imagine something funnier than a guy crying about the artistic integrity of his "Baby got back" cover.
2013-01-18 06:08:13 PM
1 votes:
All they want to do is use his song. They're not unreasonable.
2013-01-18 05:49:39 PM
1 votes:

Warlordtrooper: So hes complaining that somebody used music without his permission of him using somebody elses music?


See how stupid you look if you don't read the thread before posting?
2013-01-18 05:16:16 PM
1 votes:
http://www.jonathancoulton.com/2013/01/18/baby-got-back-and-glee/

"If it is, I have some questions about how IP works in terms of this song. It's a cover of a Sir Mix-a-Lot song obviously, but I wrote a new melody for it, which this recording uses. Back when I released it, I bought the statutory license to distribute my version of this song through Harry Fox. Creative Commons doesn't come into play because it's a cover song, and anyway my CC license specifies Non-Commercial."
2013-01-18 05:05:16 PM
1 votes:
The only good thing about Glee is this shiat right here.

mybodymyimage.com
2013-01-18 04:55:21 PM
1 votes:
I'm not a JC fan (it's not my kind of music) but yeah, this is pretty blatant.
2013-01-18 04:54:16 PM
1 votes:
They didn't even change the lyrics he changed... how stupid can you be?
2013-01-18 04:53:48 PM
1 votes:
Since they actually stole his modified lyrics ("Johnny C's in trouble"), wouldn't that make it even more than just stealing an arrangement?

/ not a lawyer
// don't even have a GED in law
2013-01-18 04:44:55 PM
1 votes:

Theaetetus: I wonder if Coulton has any agreements with ASCAP that Glee thinks this'd be covered under, and conversely, if Coulton has registered his copyright. This is one of those times where the willful level of statutory damages would be appropriate.


He published it. There is solid proof of the date of publishing. That's all copyright law needs.
2013-01-18 04:40:52 PM
1 votes:
Do people actually watch that show? Isn't it pretty much G4 for music?
2013-01-18 04:28:24 PM
1 votes:
If you can sync the two YouTube videos, they sound pretty awesome playing simultaneously.

Of course, it works because they also have exactly the same tempo. So, yeah, obvious.
2013-01-18 02:58:28 PM
1 votes:

Supes: Pretty shameful. I hope this helps Coulton's cover become more widespread, and Fox sucks it up and pays him royalties.


Oh, and also pays Sir Mix-a-Lot royalties. Come'on now.
2013-01-18 02:44:54 PM
1 votes:
Quick! ASCAP! Go sue some teenager for downloading the Glee soundtrack!
 
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