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(Salon)   Glee rips off Jonathan Coulton's cover of "Baby Got Back", becomes the catalyst of a war between music nerds and Glee nerds   (salon.com) divider line 106
    More: Asinine, Jonathan Coulton, Baby Got Back, Glee, Sir Mix-a-Lot  
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2013-01-18 02:44:54 PM  
Quick! ASCAP! Go sue some teenager for downloading the Glee soundtrack!
 
2013-01-18 02:46:26 PM  
Seriously, glee, WTF.

That's not even a question of whether they copied his or not.

The only question I have is whether Coulton consulted Sir Mix-A-Lot before doing his...
 
2013-01-18 02:53:33 PM  
Hahaha...be less blatant next time, Ryan Murphy.
 
2013-01-18 02:56:34 PM  
Pretty shameful. I hope this helps Coulton's cover become more widespread, and Fox sucks it up and pays him royalties.
 
2013-01-18 02:58:28 PM  

Supes: Pretty shameful. I hope this helps Coulton's cover become more widespread, and Fox sucks it up and pays him royalties.


Oh, and also pays Sir Mix-a-Lot royalties. Come'on now.
 
2013-01-18 03:02:06 PM  
I'd be more impressed if they did a cover of "Seattle ain't bullshiattin"
 
2013-01-18 04:05:23 PM  
John Coulton get up get coffee
John Coulton go to job
John Coulton see a show on TV
Find Internet forming mob
Glee sing a cover of Sir Mix-A-Lot
With line 'bout Jonnie C
Glee say original and eloquent
What do John Coulton think?

John Coulton think maybe @gleeonfox oughta write goddamn cover song themselves.
John Coulton not tweet it out loud,
John Coulton not crazy, just proud.

(I apologize in advance to Mr. Coulton for putting words in his mouth like that. Gotta sit down and pretend to work for a while, so have at it, Farkers!)
 
2013-01-18 04:08:54 PM  
Another reason to hate Glee?  Well, I didn't really need any, but I'm happy to add one more to the pile.
 
2013-01-18 04:16:09 PM  

unlikely: Seriously, glee, WTF.

That's not even a question of whether they copied his or not.

The only question I have is whether Coulton consulted Sir Mix-A-Lot before doing his...


They previously did this with the Greg Laswell version of "Girls Just Want to Have Fun" and credited him for the arrangement.
 
2013-01-18 04:22:06 PM  
All JOCO wants from the producers is their brains.
 
2013-01-18 04:23:24 PM  
Maybe he'll find someone else to help him

/maybe Black Mesa
 
2013-01-18 04:23:45 PM  
images.wikia.com
 
2013-01-18 04:23:47 PM  
stop being so homophobic, jonathan coulton
 
2013-01-18 04:25:29 PM  

farkeruk: Maybe he'll find someone else to help him

/maybe Black Mesa


static.prtst.net

/Ha Ha
//Fat Chance
 
2013-01-18 04:28:24 PM  
If you can sync the two YouTube videos, they sound pretty awesome playing simultaneously.

Of course, it works because they also have exactly the same tempo. So, yeah, obvious.
 
2013-01-18 04:28:57 PM  
Merry Christmas from Chiron Beta Fox
where we're working round the clock
to steal your arrangements...
did I say "steal" them? I meant "respect them."
 
2013-01-18 04:31:57 PM  

Twilight Farkle: John Coulton get up get coffee
John Coulton go to job
John Coulton see a show on TV
Find Internet forming mob
Glee sing a cover of Sir Mix-A-Lot
With line 'bout Jonnie C
Glee say original and eloquent
What do John Coulton think?

John Coulton think maybe @gleeonfox oughta write goddamn cover song themselves.
John Coulton not tweet it out loud,
John Coulton not crazy, just proud.

(I apologize in advance to Mr. Coulton for putting words in his mouth like that. Gotta sit down and pretend to work for a while, so have at it, Farkers!)


That was beautiful. You win the thread. I bow in your general direction.
 
2013-01-18 04:35:39 PM  
Two nerds enter! One nerd leaves!
 
2013-01-18 04:36:04 PM  

WhoIsWillo: unlikely: Seriously, glee, WTF.

That's not even a question of whether they copied his or not.

The only question I have is whether Coulton consulted Sir Mix-A-Lot before doing his...

They previously did this with the Greg Laswell version of "Girls Just Want to Have Fun" and credited him for the arrangement.


They also did it with their arrangement of Yeah by Usher. Glee pretty much ripped off their arrangement from a collegiate a cappella group.
 
2013-01-18 04:40:52 PM  
Do people actually watch that show? Isn't it pretty much G4 for music?
 
2013-01-18 04:43:01 PM  
I wonder if Coulton has any agreements with ASCAP that Glee thinks this'd be covered under, and conversely, if Coulton has registered his copyright. This is one of those times where the willful level of statutory damages would be appropriate.
 
2013-01-18 04:44:48 PM  
Glee fans don't like music anyway.
 
2013-01-18 04:44:55 PM  

Theaetetus: I wonder if Coulton has any agreements with ASCAP that Glee thinks this'd be covered under, and conversely, if Coulton has registered his copyright. This is one of those times where the willful level of statutory damages would be appropriate.


He published it. There is solid proof of the date of publishing. That's all copyright law needs.
 
2013-01-18 04:45:33 PM  
wow they ripped off a song from someone who didn't create the actual song, and is not even a household name.

/call me if they rip off the covers of biatches ain't shiat or boyz in the hood
 
2013-01-18 04:50:06 PM  

Kyosuke: Theaetetus: I wonder if Coulton has any agreements with ASCAP that Glee thinks this'd be covered under, and conversely, if Coulton has registered his copyright. This is one of those times where the willful level of statutory damages would be appropriate.

He published it. There is solid proof of the date of publishing. That's all copyright law needs.


... for a suit where he would then have to prove actual damages. However, if he registers his copyright, then he's able to get statutory damages (as well as attorneys fees). See 17 USC 412.

/don't mansplain about IP law to an IP lawyer
 
2013-01-18 04:51:05 PM  
Glee even stole his name: At 2:16 you can hear the lyric "Johnny C's in trouble".

/srsly wtf
 
2013-01-18 04:53:48 PM  
Since they actually stole his modified lyrics ("Johnny C's in trouble"), wouldn't that make it even more than just stealing an arrangement?

/ not a lawyer
// don't even have a GED in law
 
2013-01-18 04:54:10 PM  

Theaetetus: mansplain


ಠ_ಠ
 
2013-01-18 04:54:16 PM  
They didn't even change the lyrics he changed... how stupid can you be?
 
2013-01-18 04:54:42 PM  

Theaetetus: Kyosuke: Theaetetus: I wonder if Coulton has any agreements with ASCAP that Glee thinks this'd be covered under, and conversely, if Coulton has registered his copyright. This is one of those times where the willful level of statutory damages would be appropriate.

He published it. There is solid proof of the date of publishing. That's all copyright law needs.

... for a suit where he would then have to prove actual damages. However, if he registers his copyright, then he's able to get statutory damages (as well as attorneys fees). See 17 USC 412.

/don't mansplain about IP law to an IP lawyer


Testify brother  Theaetetus, TESTIFY!1

1 In the theatrical, caricatured Southern Protestant attesting to the veracity of a statement" sense, not in the "provide sworn testimony" sense.
 
2013-01-18 04:55:21 PM  
I'm not a JC fan (it's not my kind of music) but yeah, this is pretty blatant.
 
2013-01-18 04:55:32 PM  

deadsanta: Glee even stole his name: At 2:16 you can hear the lyric "Johnny C's in trouble".

/srsly wtf


and at 2:40 you can hear the duck quack. It sounds like they used the karaoke track from his website.
 
2013-01-18 04:56:43 PM  

kyoryu: Since they actually stole his modified lyrics ("Johnny C's in trouble"), wouldn't that make it even more than just stealing an arrangement?

/ not a lawyer
// don't even have a GED in law


Nah, it's still a single "work" that was infringed, so the copied lyrics and arrangement will be really great evidence, but not separate acts of infringement.
 
2013-01-18 05:04:51 PM  

thecpt: and is not even a household name.


He is in any household I prefer to be in.
 
2013-01-18 05:05:16 PM  
The only good thing about Glee is this shiat right here.

mybodymyimage.com
 
2013-01-18 05:07:53 PM  
So someone's complaining that someone ripped off his cover of a song that was retarded to begin with?
 
2013-01-18 05:10:11 PM  

Theaetetus: kyoryu: Since they actually stole his modified lyrics ("Johnny C's in trouble"), wouldn't that make it even more than just stealing an arrangement?

/ not a lawyer
// don't even have a GED in law

Nah, it's still a single "work" that was infringed, so the copied lyrics and arrangement will be really great evidence, but not separate acts of infringement.


If he paid the statutory license for the use of the lyrics and wrote a completely unique melody for it, is the melody his IP?

Just curious.
 
2013-01-18 05:13:16 PM  

unlikely: Theaetetus: kyoryu: Since they actually stole his modified lyrics ("Johnny C's in trouble"), wouldn't that make it even more than just stealing an arrangement?

/ not a lawyer
// don't even have a GED in law

Nah, it's still a single "work" that was infringed, so the copied lyrics and arrangement will be really great evidence, but not separate acts of infringement.

If he paid the statutory license for the use of the lyrics and wrote a completely unique melody for it, is the melody his IP?

Just curious.


Yah. He's a composer. Technically, he could go after them for copying the melody, and Lord Mix-a-Lot (he's really too old to be a mere knight) could go after them for the lyrics separately (except that they pay license fees to the publishers that undoubtedly cover him).
 
2013-01-18 05:16:16 PM  
http://www.jonathancoulton.com/2013/01/18/baby-got-back-and-glee/

"If it is, I have some questions about how IP works in terms of this song. It's a cover of a Sir Mix-a-Lot song obviously, but I wrote a new melody for it, which this recording uses. Back when I released it, I bought the statutory license to distribute my version of this song through Harry Fox. Creative Commons doesn't come into play because it's a cover song, and anyway my CC license specifies Non-Commercial."
 
2013-01-18 05:17:27 PM  

Theaetetus: except that they pay license fees to the publishers


...which may well be the other part of the story we don't know. Did they pay ASCAP and the publishers and there was no need to actually bother even telling Coulton, since he'll get his check from the industry eventually?
 
2013-01-18 05:19:58 PM  
Glee did the same thing to Barenaked Ladies, but I can't find out if they gave credit or not.

Barenaked Ladies - Hanukkah, Oh Hanukkah

Glee version
 
2013-01-18 05:24:52 PM  

Son of Thunder:
That was beautiful. You win the thread. I bow in your general direction.


I'm still having writer's block on the chorus. Try to throw in some Mix-A-Lot lines? Maybe in Latin? Or just kick off with something like this?

What rhymes with infringement?
Not sure if John Coulton's gonna sue...
 
2013-01-18 05:26:22 PM  
This guy posted both songs played simultaneously, Glee on the left channel, Coulton on the right. Link

Glee's entering a world of pasty-white-hot nerd rage.
 
2013-01-18 05:30:12 PM  
I don't hear the duck. Am I going deaf or did they edit it out?
 
2013-01-18 05:31:43 PM  

IrateShadow: I don't hear the duck. Am I going deaf or did they edit it out?


It's there. You really hear in good headphones happens around 2:40 like in JoCo's version
 
2013-01-18 05:32:05 PM  

IrateShadow: I don't hear the duck. Am I going deaf or did they edit it out?


A word to the thick soul sisters, I wanna get with ya
I won't cuss or hit ya
But I gotta be straight when I say I wanna *fark*  <------- replaced with duck quack
 
2013-01-18 05:32:13 PM  

Twilight Farkle: Son of Thunder:
That was beautiful. You win the thread. I bow in your general direction.

I'm still having writer's block on the chorus. Try to throw in some Mix-A-Lot lines? Maybe in Latin? Or just kick off with something like this?

What rhymes with infringement?
Not sure if John Coulton's gonna sue...


Regardless, Code Monkey like you....lots.
 
2013-01-18 05:33:05 PM  

unlikely: Theaetetus: except that they pay license fees to the publishers

...which may well be the other part of the story we don't know. Did they pay ASCAP and the publishers and there was no need to actually bother even telling Coulton, since he'll get his check from the industry eventually?


Hence the other part of my initial question... is this covered under any agreements he has with ASCAP? A quick search in their repertory on ASCAP.com doesn't show Coulton as a member (nor do any of his other songs show up in a search), so the answer may be no.
 
2013-01-18 05:34:50 PM  
twitter has been yelling about this all day.
 
2013-01-18 05:35:43 PM  
The glee crowd are more "Dorks" than "Nerds."

Nerds do have some social value, even if socially awkward in person.
 
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