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(Bonner County Daily Bee)   Good news: Rare, threatened lynx sighted in Northern Idaho. Bad news: Stuck in bobcat trap. Fark: Upon discovery, it was promptly shot dead   (bonnercountydailybee.com) divider line 36
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2013-01-18 03:21:30 PM  
9 votes:
Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.
2013-01-18 03:44:07 PM  
3 votes:

ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is.


That's why it's called trapping, not hunting.
2013-01-18 04:22:10 PM  
2 votes:

BGates: faeriefay: BGates: ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.

Takes an even bigger one to berate a person online without knowing them.

Actions speak for themselves.
/ douche bag is as douche bag does.

How much do you know about trapping?


Am from this part of the world.

/good kill = clean head shot.

//bad kill = animal left to suffer for hours (days) before finally being put out of it's misery.
2013-01-18 03:39:39 PM  
2 votes:

kombat_unit: ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.

Bobcats are generally considered varmints.


So tourture is ok as long as the tourtured are of "lesser" perceived value?

/unsportsmanlike conduct
2013-01-18 03:35:31 PM  
2 votes:

ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.


Exactly. So disgusting.
2013-01-18 03:23:29 PM  
2 votes:

EdNortonsTwin: ...and why exactly are we killing Bobcats?


There are lots of bobcats. You can see them at nearly every construction site.
2013-01-18 03:21:53 PM  
2 votes:

Sapper_Topo: Well thats nice the guy immediately calls fish and game to report that he made a mistake and they still fine him? If this story teaches us one thing it is that honesty is NOT the best policy. I dont know maybe the penalty could have been much harsher and they let him off easy but damn. Next time it happens we'll be hearing about how someone killed a Lynx and game and fish found it after snow melt in April.


He admitted to doing something illegal in court, are they supposed to let him go?

"Yes, Mr. Judge, I confess to raping so-and-so, are we cool, can I go home now?"
2013-01-19 12:01:04 AM  
1 votes:

mllawso: Thorny: Trapping with most animals (Nutria and possibly beavers are an exception) is not necessary.

You're going to need to back that up with something, as your arguing that an organization tasked with wildlife conservation, has a good track record going back decades, and who's policies are created by experts in wildlife management.

Furthermore, common sense is that *any* group of animals (barring outside influences) within a habitat with a decreased/absent predator population is going to grow exponentially. They'll do so until they eventually surpass said habitat's carrying-capacity and/or the minimum host density for diseases.


Decreased/absent predator population do not constrain animals whose primary population constraint never was the predators in question. Bobcats populations were not primarily controlled by wolves and mountain lions, they are controlled primarily by territorial disputes in which they kill each other. If anything bobcats numbers have been reduced due to increased competition from coyotes due lack of predation of wolves.
2013-01-18 11:32:18 PM  
1 votes:

faeriefay: BGates: ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.

Takes an even bigger one to berate a person online without knowing them.

Actions speak for themselves.
/ douche bag is as douche bag does.


Just wondering.... do you throw rocks much?

I wonder what you do that is bad for nature... coffee in Styrofoam, drive a muscle car... or leave it in idle for more than a minute, go motorized boating were you could have used a canoe, leave your home thermostat above 68F in winter, or air-conditioning below 78F in summer? Point is, no one is perfect.

Want to throw rocks? Look at yourself first.

There are acceptable limits to what we do "individually". But we throw stones at those that we don't agree with. I am a hunter. I always make sure of the game I kill die as painlessly as possible, I don't do it for the kill. I do it for the being next to nature aspect, then enjoy the tasty meat afterwards. I respect that the animal gave it's life to be fuel for mine. I draw the line personally at trapping because I know that causes prolonged pain. But I don't judge it as an activity. For example, in parts of Alaska or Canada in North America, it is a large portion of the livelihood of those that live there (and their food), and it may in large part be the only way they can acquire the animals because of the sparse and rugged conditions. Do I like this? No. I want no animal to suffer. But I accept that this is the way of life of others that might not otherwise be able to feed their families.

With that in mind, would I judge them? No.

One thing to keep in mind is that the type of person you are dictates how you act. That includes hunters, trappers, office workers, etc. If you are ethical in your life, it is quite likely that you do your best to conduct yourself in such a way that you do as little harm as possible to those around you, or to your environment.

With the above in mind, the trapper of this protected animal was sad and regretful that he made a mistake. He paid for that mistake with his own omission. I respect that. And for that reason, I refuse to throw stones at him though I don't approve of the activity he was participating in. But since he reported himself, I have to assume he is worthy of my respect.

You? Being that you like throwing stones? I have less reason to respect.

Want to throw stones? Judge yourself first and act accordingly.
2013-01-18 08:04:51 PM  
1 votes:

ArgusRun: But trapping is just... unfair.


And? Most the meat you eat comes from farms where animals have *no* chance to escape and are raised in squalid conditions.

If trapping wasn't necessary, the DNR wouldn't allow it. Trapping is allowed (and highly regulated) for the same reasons as hunting, however you can't effectively "hunt" some species with a firearm (e.g. river otter). Trappers are held to stricter laws than hunters -- their equipment, methods, etc, have to meet exacting requirements. There are different types of traps, and the inhumane one's are banned (jaw foothold traps, non-relaxing snares, etc) Compared to a "natural" death (starvation, disease, getting eaten alive by a predator) of a wild animal, the allowed traps are fairly humane.

Can it be argued that trapping is "cruel" -- yes: but the issue is that trapping is less cruel than doing nothing.
2013-01-18 07:05:00 PM  
1 votes:

faeriefay: kombat_unit: ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.

Bobcats are generally considered varmints.

So tourture is ok as long as the tourtured are of "lesser" perceived value?

/unsportsmanlike conduct


Legally, you can kill vermin whenever you want, as opposed to game animals, which you can only kill with a permit and have to use the carcass.

/Learned that when a childhood acquaintance went and got himself nabbed for "wanton waste" of turkey.
2013-01-18 06:26:01 PM  
1 votes:

faeriefay: shaken_not_stirred: faeriefay: BGates: faeriefay: BGates: ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.

Takes an even bigger one to berate a person online without knowing them.

Actions speak for themselves.
/ douche bag is as douche bag does.

How much do you know about trapping?

Am from this part of the world.

/good kill = clean head shot.

//bad kill = animal left to suffer for hours (days) before finally being put out of it's misery.

Know how I know you're full of it?

Maybe you're just a poor shot?
/ that is what I was taught.
//maybe not a head shot but a clean kill.
///you're a dick. Probably a small one at best.


Anybody who taught you to go for a head shot on ANY food game is an idiot, and most importantly, obviously not a hunter.
2013-01-18 06:24:22 PM  
1 votes:

ArgusRun: shaken_not_stirred: faeriefay: BGates: faeriefay: BGates: ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.

Takes an even bigger one to berate a person online without knowing them.

Actions speak for themselves.
/ douche bag is as douche bag does.

How much do you know about trapping?

Am from this part of the world.

/good kill = clean head shot.

//bad kill = animal left to suffer for hours (days) before finally being put out of it's misery.

Know how I know you're full of it?

Yeah... you don't aim for the head. I really have nothing against most forms of hunting as long as it's done responsibly. But trapping is just... unfair. And slow. And christ, bobcats? They don't harm humans. They are low down on the list of predators who take sheep or goats. They'll get a chicken, but frankly it's your fault if you let them. We've already eliminated most of the wild predators in this country. Can't you leave this one alone?


You've never happened upon a bobcat in the field have you?

They will fark you up.
2013-01-18 05:27:56 PM  
1 votes:

aishacat: a bobcat is a lynx


Right, they're from the same genus. But what is commonly known as a "bobcat" is a distinct species from the Canadian Lynx being discussed in this article. Bobcats aren't threatened. The Canadian lynx is actually a threatened species in the US (but it's nowhere near threatened in Canada). So... what was your point?
2013-01-18 04:56:52 PM  
1 votes:

shaken_not_stirred: faeriefay: BGates: faeriefay: BGates: ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.

Takes an even bigger one to berate a person online without knowing them.

Actions speak for themselves.
/ douche bag is as douche bag does.

How much do you know about trapping?

Am from this part of the world.

/good kill = clean head shot.

//bad kill = animal left to suffer for hours (days) before finally being put out of it's misery.

Know how I know you're full of it?


Yeah... you don't aim for the head. I really have nothing against most forms of hunting as long as it's done responsibly. But trapping is just... unfair. And slow. And christ, bobcats? They don't harm humans. They are low down on the list of predators who take sheep or goats. They'll get a chicken, but frankly it's your fault if you let them. We've already eliminated most of the wild predators in this country. Can't you leave this one alone?
2013-01-18 04:52:34 PM  
1 votes:

spman: spman: EdNortonsTwin: ...and why exactly are we killing Bobcats?

Depends on the situation. If you're in a rural area, lots of forest, trees, mountains, just let them be. If you live in an Urban area, and they come around and the DEA or local Animal Control is unwilling or unable to do anything about it, it's best to get rid of them yourself before they go after your pets or your kids.

This should say DEP, unless of course the Bobcats are dealing coke.

t.qkme.me
2013-01-18 04:36:21 PM  
1 votes:
It's a creationist conspiracy - they were worried that this missing lynx would prove evolution.
2013-01-18 04:35:44 PM  
1 votes:

MycroftHolmes: Sapper_Topo: Well thats nice the guy immediately calls fish and game to report that he made a mistake and they still fine him? If this story teaches us one thing it is that honesty is NOT the best policy. I dont know maybe the penalty could have been much harsher and they let him off easy but damn. Next time it happens we'll be hearing about how someone killed a Lynx and game and fish found it after snow melt in April.

A $200 fine and $25 restitution is pretty light for poaching. This guy knew what was going to happen when he reported it. Pretty stand up move to report it.


More stand up than certain folks in this thread, I'll grant you that.
2013-01-18 04:33:11 PM  
1 votes:

Smeggy Smurf: Stone Meadow: Oblig...

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That's the Idaho way.

/good riddance to vermin


Kill kill kill
/why Idaho sucks
//sadly from that gene pool.
///guess that's why I have violent tendencies.
////towards people I consider vermin.
2013-01-18 04:19:50 PM  
1 votes:

BGates: faeriefay: BGates: ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.

Takes an even bigger one to berate a person online without knowing them.

Actions speak for themselves.
/ douche bag is as douche bag does.

How much do you know about trapping?


Am from this part of the world.
2013-01-18 04:18:34 PM  
1 votes:

BGates: faeriefay: BGates: ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.

Takes an even bigger one to berate a person online without knowing them.

Actions speak for themselves.
/ douche bag is as douche bag does.

How much do you know about trapping?


Enough. I grew up in a hunting family.
2013-01-18 04:00:00 PM  
1 votes:

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Why are there quote marks around the word "threatened" in the linked story's headline?

Is it an editorial commentary on the concept of threatened species or is the copy editor incompetent?


Editorial commentary. Canadian lynx aren't threatened at all. They're just scarce south of the Canadian border. Some people would like them to be as large a nuisance problem at bobcats I guess.
2013-01-18 03:49:03 PM  
1 votes:
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2013-01-18 03:45:45 PM  
1 votes:

BGates: ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.

Takes an even bigger one to berate a person online without knowing them.


I've known various trappers. Everyone of them were complete assholes and borderline crazy.
2013-01-18 03:44:28 PM  
1 votes:

faeriefay: kombat_unit: ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.

Bobcats are generally considered varmints.

So tourture is ok as long as the tourtured are of "lesser" perceived value?

/unsportsmanlike conduct


Take a pill, crybaby.
2013-01-18 03:44:08 PM  
1 votes:
Lynx are a lot more like dogs in temperament than cats. I got the opportunity to spend time with two lynx in captivity. They are very easy animals to get be around. Bobcats are nasty, got to be around a bobcat during that time, they will fark you up if you give them half a chance.
2013-01-18 03:43:48 PM  
1 votes:

faeriefay: BGates: ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.

Takes an even bigger one to berate a person online without knowing them.

Actions speak for themselves.
/ douche bag is as douche bag does.


How much do you know about trapping?
2013-01-18 03:42:26 PM  
1 votes:

Sapper_Topo: Well thats nice the guy immediately calls fish and game to report that he made a mistake and they still fine him? If this story teaches us one thing it is that honesty is NOT the best policy. I dont know maybe the penalty could have been much harsher and they let him off easy but damn. Next time it happens we'll be hearing about how someone killed a Lynx and game and fish found it after snow melt in April.


That sounds nice, but you can't just expect to be let off the hook for confessing to a crime. He was big enough of a man to admit his mistake and sometimes those mistakes can have consequences.
2013-01-18 03:30:33 PM  
1 votes:

Sapper_Topo: Well thats nice the guy immediately calls fish and game to report that he made a mistake and they still fine him? If this story teaches us one thing it is that honesty is NOT the best policy. I dont know maybe the penalty could have been much harsher and they let him off easy but damn. Next time it happens we'll be hearing about how someone killed a Lynx and game and fish found it after snow melt in April.


/Came here to say this. The officer said, ya, we are happy that he was honest enough to report it as an accident, but we still had to bend him over and give him a good anal rogering for the lulz. That will teach you to be honest. Next time just kick snow over it and move the trap.
2013-01-18 03:30:24 PM  
1 votes:

ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.


Bobcats are generally considered varmints.
2013-01-18 03:25:51 PM  
1 votes:

Sapper_Topo: Well thats nice the guy immediately calls fish and game to report that he made a mistake and they still fine him? If this story teaches us one thing...


....know exactly what you are aiming at before you shoot. (FTFY)

// one of the most basic elements of firearm safety.
2013-01-18 03:24:27 PM  
1 votes:
He's lucky he's not going to jail.

And yes, other nutters, lie about the illegal things you do. Then, when you get caught, you can prompty go to prison
2013-01-18 03:17:25 PM  
1 votes:
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Stay on your toes, Lynx.
2013-01-18 03:17:18 PM  
1 votes:
...and why exactly are we killing Bobcats?
2013-01-18 03:08:14 PM  
1 votes:
Remind me not to report anything illegal I do.

First rule is never talk to the police.
2013-01-18 03:03:05 PM  
1 votes:
Well thats nice the guy immediately calls fish and game to report that he made a mistake and they still fine him? If this story teaches us one thing it is that honesty is NOT the best policy. I dont know maybe the penalty could have been much harsher and they let him off easy but damn. Next time it happens we'll be hearing about how someone killed a Lynx and game and fish found it after snow melt in April.
 
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