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(Bonner County Daily Bee)   Good news: Rare, threatened lynx sighted in Northern Idaho. Bad news: Stuck in bobcat trap. Fark: Upon discovery, it was promptly shot dead   (bonnercountydailybee.com) divider line 125
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2013-01-18 06:37:56 PM  

ShadowLAnCeR: faeriefay: faeriefay: /vermin

/ yes, I am really from Idaho.

High five! In Idaho as well. Yay for potato farkers.


We put the pud in spud
 
2013-01-18 06:48:40 PM  

roc6783: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Nice to know there are some scrupulous Farkers who'd accept their punishment like grownups. The ones who'd just shoot it, remove it from the trap and leave it there without reporting their legal transgressions...well, based on their other posts, I'm not surprised.

What if it bit my sister, then I shot it and left it for dead?


Then it would have been a moose.
 
2013-01-18 06:51:19 PM  

Gyrfalcon: roc6783: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Nice to know there are some scrupulous Farkers who'd accept their punishment like grownups. The ones who'd just shoot it, remove it from the trap and leave it there without reporting their legal transgressions...well, based on their other posts, I'm not surprised.

What if it bit my sister, then I shot it and left it for dead?

Then it would have been a moose.


And the people responsible for sacking the people responsible for protecting endangered and threatened species would have been sacked.
 
2013-01-18 07:05:00 PM  

faeriefay: kombat_unit: ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.

Bobcats are generally considered varmints.

So tourture is ok as long as the tourtured are of "lesser" perceived value?

/unsportsmanlike conduct


Legally, you can kill vermin whenever you want, as opposed to game animals, which you can only kill with a permit and have to use the carcass.

/Learned that when a childhood acquaintance went and got himself nabbed for "wanton waste" of turkey.
 
2013-01-18 07:12:44 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: ...and why exactly are we killing Bobcats?


This was my first question.
 
2013-01-18 07:38:48 PM  
Once found a Lynx outside my chicken coop. The chickens were going beserk. I chased it away with a broom and kept my yap shut.

/ yes, I know the difference
/ No, it wasn't an 'Assault Broom'
 
2013-01-18 08:02:33 PM  

BillyRayBob: Once found a Lynx outside my chicken coop. The chickens were going beserk. I chased it away with a broom and kept my yap shut.

/ yes, I know the difference
/ No, it wasn't an 'Assault Broom'


GIS for "Assault Broom,"

t0.gstatic.com

/Also got lots of mugshots for aging white men.
 
2013-01-18 08:04:51 PM  

ArgusRun: But trapping is just... unfair.


And? Most the meat you eat comes from farms where animals have *no* chance to escape and are raised in squalid conditions.

If trapping wasn't necessary, the DNR wouldn't allow it. Trapping is allowed (and highly regulated) for the same reasons as hunting, however you can't effectively "hunt" some species with a firearm (e.g. river otter). Trappers are held to stricter laws than hunters -- their equipment, methods, etc, have to meet exacting requirements. There are different types of traps, and the inhumane one's are banned (jaw foothold traps, non-relaxing snares, etc) Compared to a "natural" death (starvation, disease, getting eaten alive by a predator) of a wild animal, the allowed traps are fairly humane.

Can it be argued that trapping is "cruel" -- yes: but the issue is that trapping is less cruel than doing nothing.
 
2013-01-18 08:06:23 PM  

BillyRayBob: Once found a Lynx outside my chicken coop. The chickens were going beserk. I chased it away with a broom and kept my yap shut.

/ yes, I know the difference
/ No, it wasn't an 'Assault Broom'


[areyouawizard.jpg]
 
2013-01-18 08:31:03 PM  

mllawso: ArgusRun: But trapping is just... unfair.

And? Most the meat you eat comes from farms where animals have *no* chance to escape and are raised in squalid conditions.

If trapping wasn't necessary, the DNR wouldn't allow it. Trapping is allowed (and highly regulated) for the same reasons as hunting, however you can't effectively "hunt" some species with a firearm (e.g. river otter). Trappers are held to stricter laws than hunters -- their equipment, methods, etc, have to meet exacting requirements. There are different types of traps, and the inhumane one's are banned (jaw foothold traps, non-relaxing snares, etc) Compared to a "natural" death (starvation, disease, getting eaten alive by a predator) of a wild animal, the allowed traps are fairly humane.

Can it be argued that trapping is "cruel" -- yes: but the issue is that trapping is less cruel than doing nothing.


Trapping with most animals (Nutria and possibly beavers are an exception) is not necessary. The reason we have deer over populations is that we got rid of all of their predators and specifically manage large tracks of land for deer...stunningly enough doing these practices have resulted in way to much deer. This situation is not present with any animal trapped for fur.

The reason that people trap bobcats is that they have the most valuable pelt of any fur bearer you can legally trap in the US. There is a huge market in Russia and China for spotted cat fur and bobcat pelts typically sell for $200 to $300 ($1500 is the record). Bobcats are in fact listed on CITES due to the possibility of exploitation by the fur trade.
 
2013-01-18 09:03:14 PM  

Sapper_Topo: If this story teaches us one thing it is that honesty is NOT the best policy.


Lesson learned! (Actually I already knew it, but this story reinforces it.)
 
2013-01-18 09:43:57 PM  
"Good news: Rare, threatened lynx sighted in North Idaho. Bad news: Stuck in bobcat trap. Fark: Upon discovery, it was promptly shot dead"
Fixed the headline for you out of state subby...
 
2013-01-18 11:18:16 PM  

Thorny: Trapping with most animals (Nutria and possibly beavers are an exception) is not necessary.


You're going to need to back that up with something, as your arguing that an organization tasked with wildlife conservation, has a good track record going back decades, and who's policies are created by experts in wildlife management.

Furthermore, common sense is that *any* group of animals (barring outside influences) within a habitat with a decreased/absent predator population is going to grow exponentially. They'll do so until they eventually surpass said habitat's carrying-capacity and/or the minimum host density for diseases.
 
2013-01-18 11:32:18 PM  

faeriefay: BGates: ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.

Takes an even bigger one to berate a person online without knowing them.

Actions speak for themselves.
/ douche bag is as douche bag does.


Just wondering.... do you throw rocks much?

I wonder what you do that is bad for nature... coffee in Styrofoam, drive a muscle car... or leave it in idle for more than a minute, go motorized boating were you could have used a canoe, leave your home thermostat above 68F in winter, or air-conditioning below 78F in summer? Point is, no one is perfect.

Want to throw rocks? Look at yourself first.

There are acceptable limits to what we do "individually". But we throw stones at those that we don't agree with. I am a hunter. I always make sure of the game I kill die as painlessly as possible, I don't do it for the kill. I do it for the being next to nature aspect, then enjoy the tasty meat afterwards. I respect that the animal gave it's life to be fuel for mine. I draw the line personally at trapping because I know that causes prolonged pain. But I don't judge it as an activity. For example, in parts of Alaska or Canada in North America, it is a large portion of the livelihood of those that live there (and their food), and it may in large part be the only way they can acquire the animals because of the sparse and rugged conditions. Do I like this? No. I want no animal to suffer. But I accept that this is the way of life of others that might not otherwise be able to feed their families.

With that in mind, would I judge them? No.

One thing to keep in mind is that the type of person you are dictates how you act. That includes hunters, trappers, office workers, etc. If you are ethical in your life, it is quite likely that you do your best to conduct yourself in such a way that you do as little harm as possible to those around you, or to your environment.

With the above in mind, the trapper of this protected animal was sad and regretful that he made a mistake. He paid for that mistake with his own omission. I respect that. And for that reason, I refuse to throw stones at him though I don't approve of the activity he was participating in. But since he reported himself, I have to assume he is worthy of my respect.

You? Being that you like throwing stones? I have less reason to respect.

Want to throw stones? Judge yourself first and act accordingly.
 
2013-01-18 11:39:06 PM  

Thorny: mllawso: ArgusRun: But trapping is just... unfair.

And? Most the meat you eat comes from farms where animals have *no* chance to escape and are raised in squalid conditions.

If trapping wasn't necessary, the DNR wouldn't allow it. Trapping is allowed (and highly regulated) for the same reasons as hunting, however you can't effectively "hunt" some species with a firearm (e.g. river otter). Trappers are held to stricter laws than hunters -- their equipment, methods, etc, have to meet exacting requirements. There are different types of traps, and the inhumane one's are banned (jaw foothold traps, non-relaxing snares, etc) Compared to a "natural" death (starvation, disease, getting eaten alive by a predator) of a wild animal, the allowed traps are fairly humane.

Can it be argued that trapping is "cruel" -- yes: but the issue is that trapping is less cruel than doing nothing.

Trapping with most animals (Nutria and possibly beavers are an exception) is not necessary. The reason we have deer over populations is that we got rid of all of their predators and specifically manage large tracks of land for deer...stunningly enough doing these practices have resulted in way to much deer. This situation is not present with any animal trapped for fur.

The reason that people trap bobcats is that they have the most valuable pelt of any fur bearer you can legally trap in the US. There is a huge market in Russia and China for spotted cat fur and bobcat pelts typically sell for $200 to $300 ($1500 is the record). Bobcats are in fact listed on CITES due to the possibility of exploitation by the fur trade.


I would say "blah, blah, blah", but I assume it would be lost on you.

In this story... if the guy was trapping illegally for monetary gain.... do you think he would be mentally defective to the degree of turning himself in?

Your band wagon is lost on me. In fact why do you drag one in front of us? Was a parade made public and your float invited?

Your morals don't impress me. Those that bring out their opinions on activities and ignore the nugget of the news article I have little respect for.

Agenda is, agenda does.
 
2013-01-18 11:46:53 PM  

Gyrfalcon: BillyRayBob: Once found a Lynx outside my chicken coop. The chickens were going beserk. I chased it away with a broom and kept my yap shut.

/ yes, I know the difference
/ No, it wasn't an 'Assault Broom'

[areyouawizard.jpg]


I like your approach... but I still would have had a gun on my person... you never know when a critter might attack. I once had a raccoon rush me when I was just trying to get him to leave (could have been rabid). Thankfully he changed his mind when I got VERY loud and threatening on him. Even a feral cat can cause a lot of damage. Grow it a little bigger (like a Bobcat), contact could be pretty serious.
 
2013-01-19 12:01:04 AM  

mllawso: Thorny: Trapping with most animals (Nutria and possibly beavers are an exception) is not necessary.

You're going to need to back that up with something, as your arguing that an organization tasked with wildlife conservation, has a good track record going back decades, and who's policies are created by experts in wildlife management.

Furthermore, common sense is that *any* group of animals (barring outside influences) within a habitat with a decreased/absent predator population is going to grow exponentially. They'll do so until they eventually surpass said habitat's carrying-capacity and/or the minimum host density for diseases.


Decreased/absent predator population do not constrain animals whose primary population constraint never was the predators in question. Bobcats populations were not primarily controlled by wolves and mountain lions, they are controlled primarily by territorial disputes in which they kill each other. If anything bobcats numbers have been reduced due to increased competition from coyotes due lack of predation of wolves.
 
2013-01-19 06:33:11 AM  

CasperImproved: Your band wagon is lost on me. In fact why do you drag one in front of us? Was a parade made public and your float invited?


Whatever our stances on animal welfare, I'd like to think that most of us can agree that torturing a metaphor so cruelly exceeds the bounds of human decency.
 
2013-01-19 11:54:26 AM  

Isildur: CasperImproved: Your band wagon is lost on me. In fact why do you drag one in front of us? Was a parade made public and your float invited?

Whatever our stances on animal welfare, I'd like to think that most of us can agree that torturing a metaphor so cruelly exceeds the bounds of human decency.


You lose my respect when your response has absolutely nothing to do with the topic.

Good day Sir.
 
2013-01-19 12:48:46 PM  

WelldeadLink: grokca: I prefer my lynx well done.

[i.imgur.com image 640x461]


Nice
 
2013-01-19 03:42:05 PM  

CasperImproved: I would say "blah, blah, blah", but I assume it would be lost on you.


So you couldn't find anything to back up your argument: there's a reason for that.

CasperImproved: Those that bring out their opinions on activities and ignore the nugget of the news article I have little respect for.


Do you see the hypocrisy in what you just said? Also, what opinion did I post? I only stated *facts* that people seemed to be unaware of.
 
2013-01-19 03:46:59 PM  

Thorny: If anything bobcats numbers have been reduced due to increased competition from coyotes due lack of predation of wolves.


What's this then?
Link
 
2013-01-19 06:44:58 PM  

mllawso: Thorny: If anything bobcats numbers have been reduced due to increased competition from coyotes due lack of predation of wolves.

What's this then?
Link


I don't think the word coyotes is in that entire article. It says there are population increases in most states since the late 90s (little bit later than when predator absences became an issue) and it also says that these findings were not documented when a similar study was conducted in 1996 (So no wolves and lots of coyotes should be a constant in both studies).

Also fta "Their ecological role and economic value as furbearers are the primary motivations behind research and management of bobcats (Woolf and Nielsen 2001)."
 
2013-01-19 06:53:05 PM  

mllawso: Thorny: If anything bobcats numbers have been reduced due to increased competition from coyotes due lack of predation of wolves.

What's this then?
Link


Also nothing in that article about bobcat overpopulation or the need for controlling their numbers...if anything the article seems to suggest the increase in bobcats is a good thing.
 
2013-01-21 02:42:18 PM  
Because People in power are Stupid

>>> OnlyM3: Ronin_S
>>> >>> >>> "Yes, Mr. Judge, I confess to raping so-and-so, are we cool, can I go home now?"
>>> God you bunny fu*kers are such idiots. When you make such stupid moral equivalencies
>>> you aren't helping your cause. But hey, when was using logic or facts required for the left.

Because anyone who disagrees with you is on "the left" or is it because you only use "logic or facts" when writing your diatribes on the internets?
You're the only one saying "anyone". I called out one (1) idiot and you call that "all"? Is that "logic"?

Hyperbole much?
 
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