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(Bonner County Daily Bee)   Good news: Rare, threatened lynx sighted in Northern Idaho. Bad news: Stuck in bobcat trap. Fark: Upon discovery, it was promptly shot dead   (bonnercountydailybee.com ) divider line
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2013-01-18 03:03:05 PM  
Well thats nice the guy immediately calls fish and game to report that he made a mistake and they still fine him? If this story teaches us one thing it is that honesty is NOT the best policy. I dont know maybe the penalty could have been much harsher and they let him off easy but damn. Next time it happens we'll be hearing about how someone killed a Lynx and game and fish found it after snow melt in April.
 
2013-01-18 03:07:43 PM  
I dunno....I would not be the one to take a live, angry and wounded lynx out of a trap, myself. What do they do, hit them over the head first so the trapper can survive proximity to a mad cat?
 
2013-01-18 03:07:44 PM  
What a shot lynx might look like.

a.espncdn.com
 
2013-01-18 03:08:14 PM  
Remind me not to report anything illegal I do.

First rule is never talk to the police.
 
2013-01-18 03:10:42 PM  
I thought you said it was protected.
 
2013-01-18 03:11:52 PM  
DAMMIT.
 
2013-01-18 03:13:08 PM  
I tell ya, ever since everyone started using this Mosaic bullshiat.
 
2013-01-18 03:13:09 PM  
Oblig...

www.goprographics.com
 
2013-01-18 03:14:00 PM  
Good. That guy was a jerk anyway.
shrines.rpgclassics.com

/hot
 
2013-01-18 03:15:25 PM  

Sapper_Topo: Well thats nice the guy immediately calls fish and game to report that he made a mistake and they still fine him? If this story teaches us one thing it is that honesty is NOT the best policy. I dont know maybe the penalty could have been much harsher and they let him off easy but damn. Next time it happens we'll be hearing about how someone killed a Lynx and game and fish found it after snow melt in April.


Not to worry, Idahoans haven't been honest with themselves for decades.
 
2013-01-18 03:17:18 PM  
...and why exactly are we killing Bobcats?
 
2013-01-18 03:17:25 PM  
i689.photobucket.com
Stay on your toes, Lynx.
 
2013-01-18 03:21:30 PM  
Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.
 
2013-01-18 03:21:48 PM  
If you're really not suprised by this, does it still remain "Fark"?
 
2013-01-18 03:21:53 PM  

Sapper_Topo: Well thats nice the guy immediately calls fish and game to report that he made a mistake and they still fine him? If this story teaches us one thing it is that honesty is NOT the best policy. I dont know maybe the penalty could have been much harsher and they let him off easy but damn. Next time it happens we'll be hearing about how someone killed a Lynx and game and fish found it after snow melt in April.


He admitted to doing something illegal in court, are they supposed to let him go?

"Yes, Mr. Judge, I confess to raping so-and-so, are we cool, can I go home now?"
 
2013-01-18 03:21:59 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: ...and why exactly are we killing Bobcats?


Killing animals is just what we do.
 
2013-01-18 03:23:29 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: ...and why exactly are we killing Bobcats?


There are lots of bobcats. You can see them at nearly every construction site.
 
2013-01-18 03:24:27 PM  
He's lucky he's not going to jail.

And yes, other nutters, lie about the illegal things you do. Then, when you get caught, you can prompty go to prison
 
2013-01-18 03:25:51 PM  

Sapper_Topo: Well thats nice the guy immediately calls fish and game to report that he made a mistake and they still fine him? If this story teaches us one thing...


....know exactly what you are aiming at before you shoot. (FTFY)

// one of the most basic elements of firearm safety.
 
2013-01-18 03:26:07 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: ...and why exactly are we killing Bobcats?


Eh, if he has a farm with small livestock he probably has a reason. I don't understand why he'd trap them first, though.
 
2013-01-18 03:26:40 PM  

4.bp.blogspot.com

RIP


...wait, what?
 
2013-01-18 03:28:38 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: ...and why exactly are we killing Bobcats?


Could be for many reason. Population control or selling the pelts are a few examples.

I've not heard of anybody eating a bobcat, but mtn. lion is very good. So maybe they are eating it.
 
2013-01-18 03:30:24 PM  

ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.


Bobcats are generally considered varmints.
 
2013-01-18 03:30:33 PM  

Sapper_Topo: Well thats nice the guy immediately calls fish and game to report that he made a mistake and they still fine him? If this story teaches us one thing it is that honesty is NOT the best policy. I dont know maybe the penalty could have been much harsher and they let him off easy but damn. Next time it happens we'll be hearing about how someone killed a Lynx and game and fish found it after snow melt in April.


/Came here to say this. The officer said, ya, we are happy that he was honest enough to report it as an accident, but we still had to bend him over and give him a good anal rogering for the lulz. That will teach you to be honest. Next time just kick snow over it and move the trap.
 
2013-01-18 03:30:43 PM  
There's a song in this somewhere.
 
2013-01-18 03:31:19 PM  
Why are there quote marks around the word "threatened" in the linked story's headline?

Is it an editorial commentary on the concept of threatened species or is the copy editor incompetent?
 
2013-01-18 03:31:46 PM  

ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.


Takes an even bigger one to berate a person online without knowing them.
 
2013-01-18 03:32:09 PM  

ArgusRun: It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.


Stop. You're making me blush.
/I'm too lazy to run a trap line, though.
 
2013-01-18 03:34:31 PM  

Stone Meadow: Oblig...


This is gross. I'd like to apply this philosophy to some people, but that would make me a criminal.
/o well, thanks be to American Exceptionalism
//rules are for everyone else EXCEPT me & those who share my philosophy.
 
2013-01-18 03:35:21 PM  
Hey everyone it's almost Caturday!
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-01-18 03:35:31 PM  

ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.


Exactly. So disgusting.
 
2013-01-18 03:37:29 PM  

BGates: ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.

Takes an even bigger one to berate a person online without knowing them.


Actions speak for themselves.
/ douche bag is as douche bag does.
 
2013-01-18 03:39:00 PM  

Ronin_S: Sapper_Topo: Well thats nice the guy immediately calls fish and game to report that he made a mistake and they still fine him? If this story teaches us one thing it is that honesty is NOT the best policy. I dont know maybe the penalty could have been much harsher and they let him off easy but damn. Next time it happens we'll be hearing about how someone killed a Lynx and game and fish found it after snow melt in April.

He admitted to doing something illegal in court, are they supposed to let him go?

"Yes, Mr. Judge, I confess to raping so-and-so but I thought it was someone else, are we cool, can I go home now?"


More relevant to this case.  :)
 
2013-01-18 03:39:39 PM  

kombat_unit: ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.

Bobcats are generally considered varmints.


So tourture is ok as long as the tourtured are of "lesser" perceived value?

/unsportsmanlike conduct
 
2013-01-18 03:41:24 PM  
He was fined $200 and ordered to pay $25 restitution to Idaho Fish and Game and $160 in court costs.THAT'LL LEARN HIM!
 
2013-01-18 03:42:26 PM  

Sapper_Topo: Well thats nice the guy immediately calls fish and game to report that he made a mistake and they still fine him? If this story teaches us one thing it is that honesty is NOT the best policy. I dont know maybe the penalty could have been much harsher and they let him off easy but damn. Next time it happens we'll be hearing about how someone killed a Lynx and game and fish found it after snow melt in April.


That sounds nice, but you can't just expect to be let off the hook for confessing to a crime. He was big enough of a man to admit his mistake and sometimes those mistakes can have consequences.
 
2013-01-18 03:43:48 PM  

faeriefay: BGates: ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.

Takes an even bigger one to berate a person online without knowing them.

Actions speak for themselves.
/ douche bag is as douche bag does.


How much do you know about trapping?
 
2013-01-18 03:44:07 PM  

ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is.


That's why it's called trapping, not hunting.
 
2013-01-18 03:44:08 PM  
Lynx are a lot more like dogs in temperament than cats. I got the opportunity to spend time with two lynx in captivity. They are very easy animals to get be around. Bobcats are nasty, got to be around a bobcat during that time, they will fark you up if you give them half a chance.
 
2013-01-18 03:44:28 PM  

faeriefay: kombat_unit: ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.

Bobcats are generally considered varmints.

So tourture is ok as long as the tourtured are of "lesser" perceived value?

/unsportsmanlike conduct


Take a pill, crybaby.
 
2013-01-18 03:44:50 PM  

LandOfChocolate: Sapper_Topo: Well thats nice the guy immediately calls fish and game to report that he made a mistake and they still fine him? If this story teaches us one thing it is that honesty is NOT the best policy. I dont know maybe the penalty could have been much harsher and they let him off easy but damn. Next time it happens we'll be hearing about how someone killed a Lynx and game and fish found it after snow melt in April.

That sounds nice, but you can't just expect to be let off the hook for confessing to a crime. He was big enough of a man to admit his mistake and sometimes those mistakes can have consequences.


Exactly and in this case it was simply a $200 fine plus court costs. I paid more for my last speeding ticket.
 
2013-01-18 03:45:45 PM  

BGates: ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.

Takes an even bigger one to berate a person online without knowing them.


I've known various trappers. Everyone of them were complete assholes and borderline crazy.
 
2013-01-18 03:49:03 PM  
d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net
 
2013-01-18 03:53:12 PM  

GanjSmokr: Ronin_S: Sapper_Topo: Well thats nice the guy immediately calls fish and game to report that he made a mistake and they still fine him? If this story teaches us one thing it is that honesty is NOT the best policy. I dont know maybe the penalty could have been much harsher and they let him off easy but damn. Next time it happens we'll be hearing about how someone killed a Lynx and game and fish found it after snow melt in April.

He admitted to doing something illegal in court, are they supposed to let him go?

"Yes, Mr. Judge, I confess to raping so-and-so but I thought it was someone else, are we cool, can I go home now?"

More relevant to this case.  :)


Reminds me of an episode of Homicide where one kid kills another, then honestly cannot understand why he's still being held and charged because it turns out he shot the wrong kid.
 
2013-01-18 03:56:04 PM  
$385
Wow. That's such a painful punishment. ಠ_ಠ
 
2013-01-18 03:59:13 PM  

iaazathot: BGates: ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.

Takes an even bigger one to berate a person online without knowing them.

I've known various trappers. Everyone of them were complete assholes and borderline crazy.


So have I and none of them are as you speak.
 
2013-01-18 04:00:00 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Why are there quote marks around the word "threatened" in the linked story's headline?

Is it an editorial commentary on the concept of threatened species or is the copy editor incompetent?


Editorial commentary. Canadian lynx aren't threatened at all. They're just scarce south of the Canadian border. Some people would like them to be as large a nuisance problem at bobcats I guess.
 
2013-01-18 04:00:26 PM  

2 Replies: $385
Wow. That's such a painful punishment. ಠ_ಠ


This has been said a couple of times now that this fine is low - does anyone know what the fine/punishment could have been had he not reported it right away voluntarily?

/I'm off to look as well, but someone might already know...
 
2013-01-18 04:06:29 PM  
I prefer my lynx well done.
 
2013-01-18 04:08:02 PM  

GanjSmokr: 2 Replies: $385
Wow. That's such a painful punishment. ಠ_ಠ

This has been said a couple of times now that this fine is low - does anyone know what the fine/punishment could have been had he not reported it right away voluntarily?

/I'm off to look as well, but someone might already know...


Link

Penalties
There are different degrees of violation with the law. The most punishable offenses are trafficking,[69] and any act of knowingly "taking" (which includes harming, wounding, or killing) an endangered species.
The penalties for these violations can be a maximum fine of up to $50,000 or imprisonment for one year, or both, and civil penalties of up to $25,000 per violation, may be assessed. Lists of violations and exact fines are available through the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration web-site.[70]
One provision of this law is that no penalty may be imposed if, by a preponderance of the evidence that the act was in self defense. The law also eliminates criminal penalties for accidentally killing listed species during farming and ranching activities.[71]
In addition to fines or imprisonment, a license, permit, or other agreement issued by a Federal Agency that authorized an individual to import or export fish, wildlife, or plants may be revoked, suspended or modified. Any federal hunting or fishing permits that were issued to a person who violates the ESA can be canceled or suspended for up to a year.
 
2013-01-18 04:08:36 PM  

ms_lara_croft: [d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net image 500x375]


That would make for a rather interesting morning constitutional.
 
2013-01-18 04:13:19 PM  

Sapper_Topo: Well thats nice the guy immediately calls fish and game to report that he made a mistake and they still fine him? If this story teaches us one thing it is that honesty is NOT the best policy. I dont know maybe the penalty could have been much harsher and they let him off easy but damn. Next time it happens we'll be hearing about how someone killed a Lynx and game and fish found it after snow melt in April.


You obviously aren't man enough to admit your mistakes. Thankfully this man was. Honor must not be in your vocabulary. Good luck in life.

May karma kick you swiftly in the nuts.
 
2013-01-18 04:16:20 PM  
They are extremely secretive and difficult to census

So they're republican?
 
2013-01-18 04:18:34 PM  

BGates: faeriefay: BGates: ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.

Takes an even bigger one to berate a person online without knowing them.

Actions speak for themselves.
/ douche bag is as douche bag does.

How much do you know about trapping?


Enough. I grew up in a hunting family.
 
2013-01-18 04:19:50 PM  

BGates: faeriefay: BGates: ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.

Takes an even bigger one to berate a person online without knowing them.

Actions speak for themselves.
/ douche bag is as douche bag does.

How much do you know about trapping?


Am from this part of the world.
 
2013-01-18 04:22:10 PM  

BGates: faeriefay: BGates: ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.

Takes an even bigger one to berate a person online without knowing them.

Actions speak for themselves.
/ douche bag is as douche bag does.

How much do you know about trapping?


Am from this part of the world.

/good kill = clean head shot.

//bad kill = animal left to suffer for hours (days) before finally being put out of it's misery.
 
2013-01-18 04:25:20 PM  
It was coming right for me.  Also, it was delicious.
 
2013-01-18 04:26:37 PM  
The reason the guy couldn't tell the difference between a bobcat and a lynx is a bobcat is a lynx...
 
2013-01-18 04:26:46 PM  

Sapper_Topo: Well thats nice the guy immediately calls fish and game to report that he made a mistake and they still fine him? If this story teaches us one thing it is that honesty is NOT the best policy. I dont know maybe the penalty could have been much harsher and they let him off easy but damn. Next time it happens we'll be hearing about how someone killed a Lynx and game and fish found it after snow melt in April.


A $200 fine and $25 restitution is pretty light for poaching. This guy knew what was going to happen when he reported it. Pretty stand up move to report it.
 
2013-01-18 04:26:46 PM  

kombat_unit: faeriefay: kombat_unit: ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.

Bobcats are generally considered varmints.

So tourture is ok as long as the tourtured are of "lesser" perceived value?

/unsportsmanlike conduct

Take a pill, crybaby.


I'd like to see you in a trap.
/wouldn't shoot you
//would just laugh as you bleed slowly to death.
 
2013-01-18 04:29:20 PM  

Stone Meadow: Oblig...

[www.goprographics.com image 330x206]


That's the Idaho way.

/good riddance to vermin
 
2013-01-18 04:32:28 PM  
I really disagree with leg hold traps. Cruel inventions should be illegal.
 
2013-01-18 04:33:11 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Stone Meadow: Oblig...

[www.goprographics.com image 330x206]

That's the Idaho way.

/good riddance to vermin


Kill kill kill
/why Idaho sucks
//sadly from that gene pool.
///guess that's why I have violent tendencies.
////towards people I consider vermin.
 
2013-01-18 04:34:32 PM  

Walker: He was fined $200 and ordered to pay $25 restitution to Idaho Fish and Game and $160 in court costs.THAT'LL LEARN HIM!


Wait, THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE ARE BIATCHING ABOUT?

Jesus F--KING Christ, yes he got off light.  Dumbass mistake or not.  Dumbass mistakes don't get you off punishment for different crimes either, although they might be taken into account.  Goddamn.
 
2013-01-18 04:35:44 PM  

MycroftHolmes: Sapper_Topo: Well thats nice the guy immediately calls fish and game to report that he made a mistake and they still fine him? If this story teaches us one thing it is that honesty is NOT the best policy. I dont know maybe the penalty could have been much harsher and they let him off easy but damn. Next time it happens we'll be hearing about how someone killed a Lynx and game and fish found it after snow melt in April.

A $200 fine and $25 restitution is pretty light for poaching. This guy knew what was going to happen when he reported it. Pretty stand up move to report it.


More stand up than certain folks in this thread, I'll grant you that.
 
2013-01-18 04:36:21 PM  
It's a creationist conspiracy - they were worried that this missing lynx would prove evolution.
 
2013-01-18 04:39:55 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Why are there quote marks around the word "threatened" in the linked story's headline?



Because it was beyond threatened. It was dead.
 
2013-01-18 04:40:35 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: ...and why exactly are we killing Bobcats?


Depends on the situation. If you're in a rural area, lots of forest, trees, mountains, just let them be. If you live in an Urban area, and they come around and the DEA or local Animal Control is unwilling or unable to do anything about it, it's best to get rid of them yourself before they go after your pets or your kids.
 
2013-01-18 04:42:03 PM  

BGates: iaazathot: BGates: ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.

Takes an even bigger one to berate a person online without knowing them.

I've known various trappers. Everyone of them were complete assholes and borderline crazy.

So have I and none of them are as you speak.


Perhaps you are unable to see the characteristics, since you might feel kinship with them.
 
2013-01-18 04:43:04 PM  

spman: EdNortonsTwin: ...and why exactly are we killing Bobcats?

Depends on the situation. If you're in a rural area, lots of forest, trees, mountains, just let them be. If you live in an Urban area, and they come around and the DEA or local Animal Control is unwilling or unable to do anything about it, it's best to get rid of them yourself before they go after your pets or your kids.


This should say DEP, unless of course the Bobcats are dealing coke.
 
2013-01-18 04:44:15 PM  
www.cinemorgue2.com
/vermin
 
2013-01-18 04:46:26 PM  

faeriefay: /vermin


/ yes, I am really from Idaho.
 
2013-01-18 04:50:39 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

What lynx may have looked like
 
2013-01-18 04:51:32 PM  
Anyone remember this?

www.i-mockery.com

I still have one.
 
2013-01-18 04:51:32 PM  

faeriefay: BGates: faeriefay: BGates: ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.

Takes an even bigger one to berate a person online without knowing them.

Actions speak for themselves.
/ douche bag is as douche bag does.

How much do you know about trapping?

Am from this part of the world.

/good kill = clean head shot.

//bad kill = animal left to suffer for hours (days) before finally being put out of it's misery.


Know how I know you're full of it?
 
2013-01-18 04:52:34 PM  

spman: spman: EdNortonsTwin: ...and why exactly are we killing Bobcats?

Depends on the situation. If you're in a rural area, lots of forest, trees, mountains, just let them be. If you live in an Urban area, and they come around and the DEA or local Animal Control is unwilling or unable to do anything about it, it's best to get rid of them yourself before they go after your pets or your kids.

This should say DEP, unless of course the Bobcats are dealing coke.

t.qkme.me
 
2013-01-18 04:56:52 PM  

shaken_not_stirred: faeriefay: BGates: faeriefay: BGates: ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.

Takes an even bigger one to berate a person online without knowing them.

Actions speak for themselves.
/ douche bag is as douche bag does.

How much do you know about trapping?

Am from this part of the world.

/good kill = clean head shot.

//bad kill = animal left to suffer for hours (days) before finally being put out of it's misery.

Know how I know you're full of it?


Yeah... you don't aim for the head. I really have nothing against most forms of hunting as long as it's done responsibly. But trapping is just... unfair. And slow. And christ, bobcats? They don't harm humans. They are low down on the list of predators who take sheep or goats. They'll get a chicken, but frankly it's your fault if you let them. We've already eliminated most of the wild predators in this country. Can't you leave this one alone?
 
2013-01-18 04:57:14 PM  

grokca: I prefer my lynx well done.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-18 04:59:59 PM  

ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.


I was under the impression that even a small child could accomplish a task like that.

spman: spman: EdNortonsTwin: ***snip***

This should say DEP, unless of course the Bobcats are dealing coke.


You can't trust those urban bobcats. One minute their hoppin all nimbly bimbly from tree to tree, the next you bust 'em in a Winnebago full of ganja headed for Canada. Meow.
 
2013-01-18 05:06:27 PM  
Sapper_Topo [TotalFark]
2013-01-18 03:03:05 PM

Well thats nice the guy immediately calls fish and game to report that he made a mistake and they still fine him? If this story teaches us one thing it is that honesty is NOT the best policy.

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2013-01-18 05:09:06 PM  
Ronin_S

"Yes, Mr. Judge, I confess to raping so-and-so, are we cool, can I go home now?"
God you bunny fu*kers are such idiots. When you make such stupid moral equivalencies you aren't helping your cause. But hey, when was using logic or facts required for the left.
 
2013-01-18 05:09:57 PM  

dabbletech: I thought you said it was protected.


How can it be protected if I had such a clear shot?

/obscure?
 
2013-01-18 05:12:06 PM  

doczoidberg: Anyone remember this?

I still have one.


I remember a different model of that system, does that count?
 
2013-01-18 05:13:18 PM  

shaken_not_stirred: faeriefay: BGates: faeriefay: BGates: ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.

Takes an even bigger one to berate a person online without knowing them.

Actions speak for themselves.
/ douche bag is as douche bag does.

How much do you know about trapping?

Am from this part of the world.

/good kill = clean head shot.

//bad kill = animal left to suffer for hours (days) before finally being put out of it's misery.

Know how I know you're full of it?


Maybe you're just a poor shot?
/ that is what I was taught.
//maybe not a head shot but a clean kill.
///you're a dick. Probably a small one at best.
 
2013-01-18 05:15:27 PM  

Sapper_Topo: Well thats nice the guy immediately calls fish and game to report that he made a mistake and they still fine him? If this story teaches us one thing it is that honesty is NOT the best policy. I dont know maybe the penalty could have been much harsher and they let him off easy but damn. Next time it happens we'll be hearing about how someone killed a Lynx and game and fish found it after snow melt in April.


THIS if I ever accidently a red wolf while coyote hunting Im definitely not calling the game warden, just leaving it where it lays
 
2013-01-18 05:27:13 PM  

Sapper_Topo: Well thats nice the guy immediately calls fish and game to report that he made a mistake and they still fine him? If this story teaches us one thing it is that honesty is NOT the best policy. I dont know maybe the penalty could have been much harsher and they let him off easy but damn. Next time it happens we'll be hearing about how someone killed a Lynx and game and fish found it after snow melt in April.


Less than $400 is a harsh sentence? Stop being poor.
 
2013-01-18 05:27:23 PM  

Sapper_Topo: Well thats nice the guy immediately calls fish and game to report that he made a mistake and they still fine him? If this story teaches us one thing it is that honesty is NOT the best policy. I dont know maybe the penalty could have been much harsher and they let him off easy but damn. Next time it happens we'll be hearing about how someone killed a Lynx and game and fish found it after snow melt in April.


You didn't mean to shift into drive instead of reverse and take out the store's front window.  Do you expect to not have to pay the damages?

He's paying a few hundred in fines vs. thousands and losing his hunting privileges.  I don't know if all states do this, but here they can also seize all your equipment for poaching (never to be seen again) including the vehicle you used to transport the animal.  More then one poacher has lost his truck, ATV, and RV in one fell swoop.  Plus if you are banned from further licenses, many states have reciprocal relationships: you can't hunt there either.

Most officials are pretty nice about reported mistakes (misread your tag, shot the wrong gender, wandered out of your zone) if you report immediately, but there will still be consequences.  This is also to prevent the "OMG officer, I'm so glad you just walked up behind me.  I was just about to call the 800 number with my cell phone, I accidentally took out a 8 point bull when I have a cow license, we cool?"
 
2013-01-18 05:27:56 PM  

aishacat: a bobcat is a lynx


Right, they're from the same genus. But what is commonly known as a "bobcat" is a distinct species from the Canadian Lynx being discussed in this article. Bobcats aren't threatened. The Canadian lynx is actually a threatened species in the US (but it's nowhere near threatened in Canada). So... what was your point?
 
BHK
2013-01-18 05:31:00 PM  

Gilligann: They are extremely secretive and difficult to census

So they're republican?


Libertarian. I expect that the Democrats here will be calling for fines to be imposed upon any Lynx who refuses to share any of his personal details in a census.
 
2013-01-18 05:31:21 PM  

OnlyM3: Ronin_S

"Yes, Mr. Judge, I confess to raping so-and-so, are we cool, can I go home now?" God you bunny fu*kers are such idiots. When you make such stupid moral equivalencies you aren't helping your cause. But hey, when was using logic or facts required for the left.


Because anyone who disagrees with you is on "the left" or is it because you only use "logic or facts" when writing your diatribes on the internets?
 
2013-01-18 05:34:21 PM  

faeriefay: faeriefay: /vermin

/ yes, I am really from Idaho.


High five! In Idaho as well. Yay for potato farkers.
 
2013-01-18 05:40:11 PM  
"The man told investigators he would have released the animal from the trap had he known it was a lynx. Because he could not see the animal's paws because of snow, and he believed it was a bobcat, he shot it."

It's the ears you look at.  Were they obscured by snow too?
 
2013-01-18 05:42:24 PM  

Beeblebrox: Sapper_Topo: Well thats nice the guy immediately calls fish and game to report that he made a mistake and they still fine him? If this story teaches us one thing it is that honesty is NOT the best policy. I dont know maybe the penalty could have been much harsher and they let him off easy but damn. Next time it happens we'll be hearing about how someone killed a Lynx and game and fish found it after snow melt in April.

Less than $400 is a harsh sentence? Stop being poor.


Please re-read what you quoted.
 
2013-01-18 05:42:53 PM  

Sapper_Topo: Well thats nice the guy immediately calls fish and game to report that he made a mistake and they still fine him? If this story teaches us one thing it is that honesty is NOT the best policy.


That's what real hunters do.
 
2013-01-18 05:56:20 PM  

santadog: "The man told investigators he would have released the animal from the trap had he known it was a lynx. Because he could not see the animal's paws because of snow, and he believed it was a bobcat, he shot it."

It's the ears you look at.  Were they obscured by snow too?


Damn forest cats and their stupid hipster ears.
 
2013-01-18 06:12:49 PM  
Nice to know there are some scrupulous Farkers who'd accept their punishment like grownups. The ones who'd just shoot it, remove it from the trap and leave it there without reporting their legal transgressions...well, based on their other posts, I'm not surprised.
 
2013-01-18 06:13:26 PM  
All they had to do was let it sit there and the batteries would have run out in three hours.
 
2013-01-18 06:24:22 PM  

ArgusRun: shaken_not_stirred: faeriefay: BGates: faeriefay: BGates: ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.

Takes an even bigger one to berate a person online without knowing them.

Actions speak for themselves.
/ douche bag is as douche bag does.

How much do you know about trapping?

Am from this part of the world.

/good kill = clean head shot.

//bad kill = animal left to suffer for hours (days) before finally being put out of it's misery.

Know how I know you're full of it?

Yeah... you don't aim for the head. I really have nothing against most forms of hunting as long as it's done responsibly. But trapping is just... unfair. And slow. And christ, bobcats? They don't harm humans. They are low down on the list of predators who take sheep or goats. They'll get a chicken, but frankly it's your fault if you let them. We've already eliminated most of the wild predators in this country. Can't you leave this one alone?


You've never happened upon a bobcat in the field have you?

They will fark you up.
 
2013-01-18 06:26:01 PM  

faeriefay: shaken_not_stirred: faeriefay: BGates: faeriefay: BGates: ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.

Takes an even bigger one to berate a person online without knowing them.

Actions speak for themselves.
/ douche bag is as douche bag does.

How much do you know about trapping?

Am from this part of the world.

/good kill = clean head shot.

//bad kill = animal left to suffer for hours (days) before finally being put out of it's misery.

Know how I know you're full of it?

Maybe you're just a poor shot?
/ that is what I was taught.
//maybe not a head shot but a clean kill.
///you're a dick. Probably a small one at best.


Anybody who taught you to go for a head shot on ANY food game is an idiot, and most importantly, obviously not a hunter.
 
2013-01-18 06:32:39 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Nice to know there are some scrupulous Farkers who'd accept their punishment like grownups. The ones who'd just shoot it, remove it from the trap and leave it there without reporting their legal transgressions...well, based on their other posts, I'm not surprised.


What if it bit my sister, then I shot it and left it for dead?
 
2013-01-18 06:37:56 PM  

ShadowLAnCeR: faeriefay: faeriefay: /vermin

/ yes, I am really from Idaho.

High five! In Idaho as well. Yay for potato farkers.


We put the pud in spud
 
2013-01-18 06:48:40 PM  

roc6783: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Nice to know there are some scrupulous Farkers who'd accept their punishment like grownups. The ones who'd just shoot it, remove it from the trap and leave it there without reporting their legal transgressions...well, based on their other posts, I'm not surprised.

What if it bit my sister, then I shot it and left it for dead?


Then it would have been a moose.
 
2013-01-18 06:51:19 PM  

Gyrfalcon: roc6783: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Nice to know there are some scrupulous Farkers who'd accept their punishment like grownups. The ones who'd just shoot it, remove it from the trap and leave it there without reporting their legal transgressions...well, based on their other posts, I'm not surprised.

What if it bit my sister, then I shot it and left it for dead?

Then it would have been a moose.


And the people responsible for sacking the people responsible for protecting endangered and threatened species would have been sacked.
 
2013-01-18 07:05:00 PM  

faeriefay: kombat_unit: ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.

Bobcats are generally considered varmints.

So tourture is ok as long as the tourtured are of "lesser" perceived value?

/unsportsmanlike conduct


Legally, you can kill vermin whenever you want, as opposed to game animals, which you can only kill with a permit and have to use the carcass.

/Learned that when a childhood acquaintance went and got himself nabbed for "wanton waste" of turkey.
 
2013-01-18 07:12:44 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: ...and why exactly are we killing Bobcats?


This was my first question.
 
2013-01-18 07:38:48 PM  
Once found a Lynx outside my chicken coop. The chickens were going beserk. I chased it away with a broom and kept my yap shut.

/ yes, I know the difference
/ No, it wasn't an 'Assault Broom'
 
2013-01-18 08:02:33 PM  

BillyRayBob: Once found a Lynx outside my chicken coop. The chickens were going beserk. I chased it away with a broom and kept my yap shut.

/ yes, I know the difference
/ No, it wasn't an 'Assault Broom'


GIS for "Assault Broom,"

t0.gstatic.com

/Also got lots of mugshots for aging white men.
 
2013-01-18 08:04:51 PM  

ArgusRun: But trapping is just... unfair.


And? Most the meat you eat comes from farms where animals have *no* chance to escape and are raised in squalid conditions.

If trapping wasn't necessary, the DNR wouldn't allow it. Trapping is allowed (and highly regulated) for the same reasons as hunting, however you can't effectively "hunt" some species with a firearm (e.g. river otter). Trappers are held to stricter laws than hunters -- their equipment, methods, etc, have to meet exacting requirements. There are different types of traps, and the inhumane one's are banned (jaw foothold traps, non-relaxing snares, etc) Compared to a "natural" death (starvation, disease, getting eaten alive by a predator) of a wild animal, the allowed traps are fairly humane.

Can it be argued that trapping is "cruel" -- yes: but the issue is that trapping is less cruel than doing nothing.
 
2013-01-18 08:06:23 PM  

BillyRayBob: Once found a Lynx outside my chicken coop. The chickens were going beserk. I chased it away with a broom and kept my yap shut.

/ yes, I know the difference
/ No, it wasn't an 'Assault Broom'


[areyouawizard.jpg]
 
2013-01-18 08:31:03 PM  

mllawso: ArgusRun: But trapping is just... unfair.

And? Most the meat you eat comes from farms where animals have *no* chance to escape and are raised in squalid conditions.

If trapping wasn't necessary, the DNR wouldn't allow it. Trapping is allowed (and highly regulated) for the same reasons as hunting, however you can't effectively "hunt" some species with a firearm (e.g. river otter). Trappers are held to stricter laws than hunters -- their equipment, methods, etc, have to meet exacting requirements. There are different types of traps, and the inhumane one's are banned (jaw foothold traps, non-relaxing snares, etc) Compared to a "natural" death (starvation, disease, getting eaten alive by a predator) of a wild animal, the allowed traps are fairly humane.

Can it be argued that trapping is "cruel" -- yes: but the issue is that trapping is less cruel than doing nothing.


Trapping with most animals (Nutria and possibly beavers are an exception) is not necessary. The reason we have deer over populations is that we got rid of all of their predators and specifically manage large tracks of land for deer...stunningly enough doing these practices have resulted in way to much deer. This situation is not present with any animal trapped for fur.

The reason that people trap bobcats is that they have the most valuable pelt of any fur bearer you can legally trap in the US. There is a huge market in Russia and China for spotted cat fur and bobcat pelts typically sell for $200 to $300 ($1500 is the record). Bobcats are in fact listed on CITES due to the possibility of exploitation by the fur trade.
 
2013-01-18 09:03:14 PM  

Sapper_Topo: If this story teaches us one thing it is that honesty is NOT the best policy.


Lesson learned! (Actually I already knew it, but this story reinforces it.)
 
2013-01-18 09:43:57 PM  
"Good news: Rare, threatened lynx sighted in North Idaho. Bad news: Stuck in bobcat trap. Fark: Upon discovery, it was promptly shot dead"
Fixed the headline for you out of state subby...
 
2013-01-18 11:18:16 PM  

Thorny: Trapping with most animals (Nutria and possibly beavers are an exception) is not necessary.


You're going to need to back that up with something, as your arguing that an organization tasked with wildlife conservation, has a good track record going back decades, and who's policies are created by experts in wildlife management.

Furthermore, common sense is that *any* group of animals (barring outside influences) within a habitat with a decreased/absent predator population is going to grow exponentially. They'll do so until they eventually surpass said habitat's carrying-capacity and/or the minimum host density for diseases.
 
2013-01-18 11:32:18 PM  

faeriefay: BGates: ArgusRun: Sorry, douchebag. Trapping wildlife for anything other than pest control and food is literally the lowest form of "hunting" there is. It takes a big man to set traps, walk away and then come back a few days later and finish off a broken and tortured animal.

Takes an even bigger one to berate a person online without knowing them.

Actions speak for themselves.
/ douche bag is as douche bag does.


Just wondering.... do you throw rocks much?

I wonder what you do that is bad for nature... coffee in Styrofoam, drive a muscle car... or leave it in idle for more than a minute, go motorized boating were you could have used a canoe, leave your home thermostat above 68F in winter, or air-conditioning below 78F in summer? Point is, no one is perfect.

Want to throw rocks? Look at yourself first.

There are acceptable limits to what we do "individually". But we throw stones at those that we don't agree with. I am a hunter. I always make sure of the game I kill die as painlessly as possible, I don't do it for the kill. I do it for the being next to nature aspect, then enjoy the tasty meat afterwards. I respect that the animal gave it's life to be fuel for mine. I draw the line personally at trapping because I know that causes prolonged pain. But I don't judge it as an activity. For example, in parts of Alaska or Canada in North America, it is a large portion of the livelihood of those that live there (and their food), and it may in large part be the only way they can acquire the animals because of the sparse and rugged conditions. Do I like this? No. I want no animal to suffer. But I accept that this is the way of life of others that might not otherwise be able to feed their families.

With that in mind, would I judge them? No.

One thing to keep in mind is that the type of person you are dictates how you act. That includes hunters, trappers, office workers, etc. If you are ethical in your life, it is quite likely that you do your best to conduct yourself in such a way that you do as little harm as possible to those around you, or to your environment.

With the above in mind, the trapper of this protected animal was sad and regretful that he made a mistake. He paid for that mistake with his own omission. I respect that. And for that reason, I refuse to throw stones at him though I don't approve of the activity he was participating in. But since he reported himself, I have to assume he is worthy of my respect.

You? Being that you like throwing stones? I have less reason to respect.

Want to throw stones? Judge yourself first and act accordingly.
 
2013-01-18 11:39:06 PM  

Thorny: mllawso: ArgusRun: But trapping is just... unfair.

And? Most the meat you eat comes from farms where animals have *no* chance to escape and are raised in squalid conditions.

If trapping wasn't necessary, the DNR wouldn't allow it. Trapping is allowed (and highly regulated) for the same reasons as hunting, however you can't effectively "hunt" some species with a firearm (e.g. river otter). Trappers are held to stricter laws than hunters -- their equipment, methods, etc, have to meet exacting requirements. There are different types of traps, and the inhumane one's are banned (jaw foothold traps, non-relaxing snares, etc) Compared to a "natural" death (starvation, disease, getting eaten alive by a predator) of a wild animal, the allowed traps are fairly humane.

Can it be argued that trapping is "cruel" -- yes: but the issue is that trapping is less cruel than doing nothing.

Trapping with most animals (Nutria and possibly beavers are an exception) is not necessary. The reason we have deer over populations is that we got rid of all of their predators and specifically manage large tracks of land for deer...stunningly enough doing these practices have resulted in way to much deer. This situation is not present with any animal trapped for fur.

The reason that people trap bobcats is that they have the most valuable pelt of any fur bearer you can legally trap in the US. There is a huge market in Russia and China for spotted cat fur and bobcat pelts typically sell for $200 to $300 ($1500 is the record). Bobcats are in fact listed on CITES due to the possibility of exploitation by the fur trade.


I would say "blah, blah, blah", but I assume it would be lost on you.

In this story... if the guy was trapping illegally for monetary gain.... do you think he would be mentally defective to the degree of turning himself in?

Your band wagon is lost on me. In fact why do you drag one in front of us? Was a parade made public and your float invited?

Your morals don't impress me. Those that bring out their opinions on activities and ignore the nugget of the news article I have little respect for.

Agenda is, agenda does.
 
2013-01-18 11:46:53 PM  

Gyrfalcon: BillyRayBob: Once found a Lynx outside my chicken coop. The chickens were going beserk. I chased it away with a broom and kept my yap shut.

/ yes, I know the difference
/ No, it wasn't an 'Assault Broom'

[areyouawizard.jpg]


I like your approach... but I still would have had a gun on my person... you never know when a critter might attack. I once had a raccoon rush me when I was just trying to get him to leave (could have been rabid). Thankfully he changed his mind when I got VERY loud and threatening on him. Even a feral cat can cause a lot of damage. Grow it a little bigger (like a Bobcat), contact could be pretty serious.
 
2013-01-19 12:01:04 AM  

mllawso: Thorny: Trapping with most animals (Nutria and possibly beavers are an exception) is not necessary.

You're going to need to back that up with something, as your arguing that an organization tasked with wildlife conservation, has a good track record going back decades, and who's policies are created by experts in wildlife management.

Furthermore, common sense is that *any* group of animals (barring outside influences) within a habitat with a decreased/absent predator population is going to grow exponentially. They'll do so until they eventually surpass said habitat's carrying-capacity and/or the minimum host density for diseases.


Decreased/absent predator population do not constrain animals whose primary population constraint never was the predators in question. Bobcats populations were not primarily controlled by wolves and mountain lions, they are controlled primarily by territorial disputes in which they kill each other. If anything bobcats numbers have been reduced due to increased competition from coyotes due lack of predation of wolves.
 
2013-01-19 06:33:11 AM  

CasperImproved: Your band wagon is lost on me. In fact why do you drag one in front of us? Was a parade made public and your float invited?


Whatever our stances on animal welfare, I'd like to think that most of us can agree that torturing a metaphor so cruelly exceeds the bounds of human decency.
 
2013-01-19 11:54:26 AM  

Isildur: CasperImproved: Your band wagon is lost on me. In fact why do you drag one in front of us? Was a parade made public and your float invited?

Whatever our stances on animal welfare, I'd like to think that most of us can agree that torturing a metaphor so cruelly exceeds the bounds of human decency.


You lose my respect when your response has absolutely nothing to do with the topic.

Good day Sir.
 
2013-01-19 12:48:46 PM  

WelldeadLink: grokca: I prefer my lynx well done.

[i.imgur.com image 640x461]


Nice
 
2013-01-19 03:42:05 PM  

CasperImproved: I would say "blah, blah, blah", but I assume it would be lost on you.


So you couldn't find anything to back up your argument: there's a reason for that.

CasperImproved: Those that bring out their opinions on activities and ignore the nugget of the news article I have little respect for.


Do you see the hypocrisy in what you just said? Also, what opinion did I post? I only stated *facts* that people seemed to be unaware of.
 
2013-01-19 03:46:59 PM  

Thorny: If anything bobcats numbers have been reduced due to increased competition from coyotes due lack of predation of wolves.


What's this then?
Link
 
2013-01-19 06:44:58 PM  

mllawso: Thorny: If anything bobcats numbers have been reduced due to increased competition from coyotes due lack of predation of wolves.

What's this then?
Link


I don't think the word coyotes is in that entire article. It says there are population increases in most states since the late 90s (little bit later than when predator absences became an issue) and it also says that these findings were not documented when a similar study was conducted in 1996 (So no wolves and lots of coyotes should be a constant in both studies).

Also fta "Their ecological role and economic value as furbearers are the primary motivations behind research and management of bobcats (Woolf and Nielsen 2001)."
 
2013-01-19 06:53:05 PM  

mllawso: Thorny: If anything bobcats numbers have been reduced due to increased competition from coyotes due lack of predation of wolves.

What's this then?
Link


Also nothing in that article about bobcat overpopulation or the need for controlling their numbers...if anything the article seems to suggest the increase in bobcats is a good thing.
 
2013-01-21 02:42:18 PM  
Because People in power are Stupid

>>> OnlyM3: Ronin_S
>>> >>> >>> "Yes, Mr. Judge, I confess to raping so-and-so, are we cool, can I go home now?"
>>> God you bunny fu*kers are such idiots. When you make such stupid moral equivalencies
>>> you aren't helping your cause. But hey, when was using logic or facts required for the left.

Because anyone who disagrees with you is on "the left" or is it because you only use "logic or facts" when writing your diatribes on the internets?
You're the only one saying "anyone". I called out one (1) idiot and you call that "all"? Is that "logic"?

Hyperbole much?
 
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