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(Washington Post)   The Washington Post's Fact Checker awards Lance Armstrong with a record 24 Pinocchios making him the biggest liar of all time   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 73
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2013-01-18 01:31:43 PM  
Oh, no, Post. That's just the halftime score. Remember, there's more tonight.
 
2013-01-18 01:32:02 PM  
www.gq.com
 
2013-01-18 01:35:45 PM  
Oprah's got some big ole' tit-tays
 
2013-01-18 01:36:15 PM  
More than Romney?
 
2013-01-18 01:41:12 PM  
www.pleated-jeans.com

"amateur!"
 
2013-01-18 01:41:46 PM  
Does he get some kind of special jersey for that?
 
2013-01-18 01:46:36 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: More than Romney Bachmann?


IIRC they couldn't even rate all of Bachmann's false statements because the crazy just kept on coming.
 
2013-01-18 01:48:39 PM  
Wonder if Barry Bonds will ever do the Oprah thing.
 
2013-01-18 01:49:29 PM  

Arkanaut: IIRC they couldn't even rate all of Bachmann's false statements because the crazy just kept on coming.


Is it really a lie if it's real to her?
 
2013-01-18 01:49:54 PM  
Wow Lance, you'd think you were 1/2 brained...not...well..you know...
 
2013-01-18 01:51:10 PM  
This just proves what everyone already knew. Americans are better cyclists and liars.
 
2013-01-18 01:51:20 PM  
The least believable thing to me was his claim that he did not dope in 2009 during his 3rd place finish when he was 37 years old. A cheater who has not been caught does not simply stop cheating. And a 37-year-old body does not recover every night from intense cycling like that ahead of other finishers who it's known WERE doping.
 
2013-01-18 01:58:56 PM  
Consensus seems to be that fewer riders were doping in 2009 and beyond. UCI had gotten better testing in place, and the data shows that rider wattage was down significantly from previous years. That's not to suggest that the peleton was entirely clean, but it looks like to the extent there was still doping going on, it was at a greatly reduced level.
 
2013-01-18 02:03:34 PM  

Supes: The least believable thing to me was his claim that he did not dope in 2009 during his 3rd place finish when he was 37 years old. A cheater who has not been caught does not simply stop cheating. And a 37-year-old body does not recover every night from intense cycling like that ahead of other finishers who it's known WERE doping.


Well yeah. Dude's a prolific and absolutely confirmed serial liar. I'd say one test you could use is this: Did he say something? Ok, well, pretty good chance it was a lie.
 
2013-01-18 02:05:17 PM  
Hey subby, 7x4=28, not 24.
 
2013-01-18 02:07:18 PM  

Uzzah: Consensus seems to be that fewer riders were doping in 2009 and beyond. UCI had gotten better testing in place, and the data shows that rider wattage was down significantly from previous years. That's not to suggest that the peleton was entirely clean, but it looks like to the extent there was still doping going on, it was at a greatly reduced level.


No doubt. I think the peloton was much cleaner than it had been in the past. But I'd bet my left nut Mr. Armstrong was still microdosing and getting advanced warnings of tests just to finish as well as he did. How many other 37 year olds coming off a multi-year break from competition were in the top twenty that year? Sorry Lance - you've gotten the last benefit of the doubt you'll ever get from me.
 
2013-01-18 02:14:38 PM  
Lance did drugs?
 
2013-01-18 02:14:53 PM  
I bet some of his rides were shorter than six hours... Liar!

"This is my body and I can do whatever I want to it. I can push it and study it, tweak it, listen to it. Everybody wants to know what I am on. What am I on? I'm on my bike busting my ass six hours a day. What are you on?"

/cheatin' bastard
 
2013-01-18 02:21:21 PM  

Uzzah: Consensus seems to be that fewer riders were doping in 2009 and beyond. UCI had gotten better testing in place, and the data shows that rider wattage was down significantly from previous years. That's not to suggest that the peleton was entirely clean, but it looks like to the extent there was still doping going on, it was at a greatly reduced level.


I'm inclined to believe there wasn't less doping, so much as smarter doping.
 
2013-01-18 02:21:21 PM  
TFA says:

" In his 1993 book "Every Second Counts," (written with our colleague Sally Jenkins), Armstrong adamantly denied any link to doping. He wrote:

At first, I tried not to take it personally, and to understand the motives behind the [2000 French] investigation. When an athlete doped, the competitors, spectators, and journalists are defrauded.... But I didn't like being accused on no evidence."

Liar, he can't see into the future.

Whatever. He may have been a liar, and he did unethical things during competition, but EVERY SINGLE OTHER RIDER who finished in the top 10 likely also was doping. He just put a big, fat target on himself because he was such an asshole about it. He had the same unfair advantage as everyone else, and yeah, he really wanted to win. I personally thought he was appropriately nervous and bashful during the first half of the interview...time will tell whether he's doing it because he's truly sorry and wants to take the stink off his beloved sport, or because he wants something else.

I think it's great - he's admitting it, whereas all the Eurotools who also got busted just sort of slinked away for a few years, then came back, and never called attention to themselves. I think Lance is in a great position to now make a stand against performance enhancing drugs. He should sponsor a team again -- call it "Pan y Agua" or something.
 
2013-01-18 02:21:29 PM  
The Washington Post clearly has not met my ex-girlfriend.
 
2013-01-18 02:52:24 PM  
This thread is it? The biggest sports news in years and this is it? This late? Wow.

Stabone33: I think it's great - he's admitting it, whereas all the Eurotools who also got busted just sort of slinked away for a few years, then came back, and never called attention to themselves. I think Lance is in a great position to now make a stand against performance enhancing drugs. He should sponsor a team again -- call it "Pan y Agua" or something.


LOL. That's the first positive note I've heard in all of this.
 
2013-01-18 02:54:00 PM  
My favorite part was the part when, in response to a question about his having sued Emma O'Reilly, he said, "To be honest, we sued so many people, I- I'm sure we did."

When the eyes of a nation are on you, that is not the time to bust out a But For Me It Was Tuesday.
 
2013-01-18 02:55:59 PM  

lordjupiter: Oprah's got some big ole' tit-tays


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2013-01-18 02:56:57 PM  
Whatever. He may have been a liar, and he did unethical things during competition, but EVERY SINGLE OTHER RIDER who finished in the top 10 likely also was doping. He just put a big, fat target on himself because he was such an asshole about it. He had the same unfair advantage as everyone else, and yeah, he really wanted to win.

THIS!

If an athlete is in a system where you cannot win sans cheating (doping in this case), how can anyone single him out given the really uncountable number of cyclists who have been busted to date? Is he worse because he was simply better at doping/cheating (or perhaps just a better cyclist) than the rest of the viable (doped) field? That's a pretty silly agrument to make.

Of course Armstrong doped ... with everyone else ... AND THEY ARE STILL DOPING ... just like in MLB, the NFL and the NBA. The difference is that at least pro cycling is attempting to catch them.

/I don't expect Ameritards to understand
 
2013-01-18 03:06:17 PM  

bacccc: Of course Armstrong doped ... with everyone else ... AND THEY ARE STILL DOPING ... just like in MLB, the NFL and the NBA. The difference is that at least pro cycling is attempting to catch them.


That's the thing, though, EVERYONE is doping. There are MLB, NFL and NBA players who are not doping. So many cyclists are doping that nobody believes the results of the race anymore, because they figure it'll be at least a decade before they know who REALLY won after all the disqualifications shake out. Lance was the last prominent name left, virtually, and now that he's out, there's pretty much nobody you can point at anymore that did really well clean in the post-Indurain era that won't get a response of 'yeah, well, let's wait for the drug testers to catch up'. People still trust the results in the others.

Professional cycling is dead in the United States. Baseball, football and basketball are not.
 
2013-01-18 03:07:43 PM  

flexflint: This thread is it? The biggest sports news in years and this is it? This late? Wow.


Really, you thought this was news?

/don't have a problem with him cheating, have a problem with him being a consummate asshole and courts-clogger with his bullsh*t lawsuits against people telling the truth
//not to mention the smear campaigns against anyone who told the truth
///eat sh*t and die, Armstrong
 
2013-01-18 03:09:36 PM  

Supes: The least believable thing to me was his claim that he did not dope in 2009 during his 3rd place finish when he was 37 years old. A cheater who has not been caught does not simply stop cheating. And a 37-year-old body does not recover every night from intense cycling like that ahead of other finishers who it's known WERE doping.


The interesting thing was his claim that he HAD to dope during his 7-year run, but then magically finished third in his comeback without doping. If you can finish 3rd clean at age 37, why did you need to dope before?
 
2013-01-18 03:14:08 PM  
"That's the thing, though, EVERYONE is doping. There are MLB, NFL and NBA players who are not doping."

Ah, and you base this theory on what? The strict doping controls in American sports? You made me chuckle a bit there - not sure if you're joking or not though.

Again, the difference is that pro cycling actually attempts to catch the dopers - that's why so many have been caught. Do you really think the NFL (or any American sport) does genuine doping controls? If you do, you are incredibly ignorant in terms of sports doping.
 
2013-01-18 03:14:37 PM  
I think he's some sort of cyclepath.
 
2013-01-18 03:15:12 PM  
I'm so outraged over this athlete from this sport that I've never spent a single second of my life watching, I can't even begin to tell you. I was so impassioned by this controversy that for a half a second I contemplated going to Google to find out who won the Tour De France this year. Then it passed.
 
2013-01-18 03:15:29 PM  

bacccc: Whatever. He may have been a liar, and he did unethical things during competition, but EVERY SINGLE OTHER RIDER who finished in the top 10 likely also was doping. He just put a big, fat target on himself because he was such an asshole about it. He had the same unfair advantage as everyone else, and yeah, he really wanted to win.

THIS!

If an athlete is in a system where you cannot win sans cheating (doping in this case), how can anyone single him out given the really uncountable number of cyclists who have been busted to date? Is he worse because he was simply better at doping/cheating (or perhaps just a better cyclist) than the rest of the viable (doped) field? That's a pretty silly agrument to make.

Of course Armstrong doped ... with everyone else ... AND THEY ARE STILL DOPING ... just like in MLB, the NFL and the NBA. The difference is that at least pro cycling is attempting to catch them.

/I don't expect Ameritards to understand


Not many people care he doped. They all dope. It was the fact he doped and sued (for libel) people who came forward with proof/claims he did dope. But keep believing what you want about "Ameritards".
 
2013-01-18 03:16:38 PM  
Oh, and I laugh at people who think MLB, NFL, Boxing and MMA are clean, too.
 
2013-01-18 03:19:30 PM  

Gosling: My favorite part was the part when, in response to a question about his having sued Emma O'Reilly, he said, "To be honest, we sued so many people, I- I'm sure we did."

When the eyes of a nation are on you, that is not the time to bust out a But For Me It Was Tuesday.


This is the real problem I have with Lance Armstrong. I really don't care that he was taking performance enhancing drugs. Maybe everyone really was doing it. Whatever, it doesn't matter.

But I do care that Lance Armstrong literally made millions of dollars by bringing lawsuits against people who alleged that he was doping. This isn't a joke. Lance Armstrong won millions of dollars in defamation lawsuits against people who claimed that he was doping. He sued so many people, now he says he can't even remember how many people he sued.

Lance Armstrong also did stuff a lot worse than sue people. He had teammates fired if they refused to dope. He did a downright, flat out evil thing Greg LeMond. (Google it; I refuse to even repeat what he did.) He conspired with the UCI (the sports governing body) to bring lawsuits against high-profile riders like Floyd Landis who "damaged" the sport by alleging that Lance Armstrong was doping.

In fact, Nicole Cook has claimed that the UCI spent so much time and money suing people on Lance's behalf, that they could no longer even afford to sponsor major women's racing events. That's right -- at the same time Lance Armstrong was generating so much interest in men's cycling, he was taking actions that caused significant damage to women's cycling, and all women cyclists.

Lance Armstrong is dirty. The goal of this interview wasn't to apologize for all the terrible stuff he's done. The goal of this interview was to apologize for a tiny fraction of the things he's done, and to hope that everyone forgets all the really bad stuff.
 
2013-01-18 03:23:13 PM  
Not many people care he doped. They all dope. It was the fact he doped and sued (for libel) people who came forward with proof/claims he did dope. But keep believing what you want about "Ameritards".

I agree with that set of people - those who take issue with Armstrong's attitude and actions. It's the mass of ignorance that continues to amaze me.
 
2013-01-18 03:27:18 PM  

Gosling: Professional cycling is dead in the United States.


Just because you don't pay attention to it doesn't mean it's dead. Is pro bowling dead in the US? I love cycling. Watching it, riding my bike, going to events, hell, even riding an occasional race. If you go to a football game how many people in the stands do you think actively play football? Cycling isn't going any where.

Long story short... Lance hasn't mattered to the sport in quite a while. It's everyone outside of cycling making a huge damn deal out of this. If Lance mattered to modern cycling he would have interviewed with Bobke. Not freaking Oprah.
 
2013-01-18 03:28:10 PM  
The goal of this interview wasn't to apologize for all the terrible stuff he's done. The goal of this interview was to apologize for a tiny fraction of the things he's done, and to hope that everyone forgets all the really bad stuff.

Nail on head - nail on head.

/well stated
 
2013-01-18 03:35:13 PM  
"That's the thing, though, EVERYONE is doping. There are MLB, NFL and NBA players who are not doping."

Ah, and you base this theory on what? The strict doping controls in American sports? You made me chuckle a bit there - not sure if you're joking or not though.

Again, the difference is that pro cycling actually attempts to catch the dopers - that's why so many have been caught. Do you really think the NFL (or any American sport) does genuine doping controls? If you do, you are incredibly ignorant in terms of sports doping.


THIS THIS THESE THIS SO FARKING MUCH.

Why did the US Department of Justice suddenly drop its case against Lance? Maybe because they realized they wouldn't be able to stop there. They would have to bust virtually every player, every coach, every team doctor in college football, the NFL, MLB, and whatever is left of the NHL. They didn't have the money or manpower for it, and they would seriously piss off the entire nation.

College football? Yes, I said college football.
 
2013-01-18 03:36:18 PM  
Long story short... Lance hasn't mattered to the sport in quite a while. It's everyone outside of cycling making a huge damn deal out of this. If Lance mattered to modern cycling he would have interviewed with Bobke Phil Liggett. Not freaking Oprah.

FTFY.
 
2013-01-18 03:43:26 PM  
i773.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-18 03:45:33 PM  

bacccc: "That's the thing, though, EVERYONE is doping. There are MLB, NFL and NBA players who are not doping."

Ah, and you base this theory on what? The strict doping controls in American sports? You made me chuckle a bit there - not sure if you're joking or not though.

Again, the difference is that pro cycling actually attempts to catch the dopers - that's why so many have been caught. Do you really think the NFL (or any American sport) does genuine doping controls? If you do, you are incredibly ignorant in terms of sports doping.


They don't dope they all just take Adderall.
 
2013-01-18 04:15:01 PM  

The Larch: This is the real problem I have with Lance Armstrong. I really don't care that he was taking performance enhancing drugs. Maybe everyone really was doing it. Whatever, it doesn't matter.

But I do care that Lance Armstrong literally made millions of dollars by bringing lawsuits against people who alleged that he was doping. This isn't a joke. Lance Armstrong won millions of dollars in defamation lawsuits against people who claimed that he was doping. He sued so many people, now he says he can't even remember how many people he sued.

Lance Armstrong also did stuff a lot worse than sue people. He had teammates fired if they refused to dope. He did a downright, flat out evil thing Greg LeMond. (Google it; I refuse to even repeat what he did.) He conspired with the UCI (the sports governing body) to bring lawsuits against high-profile riders like Floyd Landis who "damaged" the sport by alleging that Lance Armstrong was doping.

In fact, Nicole Cook has claimed that the UCI spent so much time and money suing people on Lance's behalf, that they could no longer even afford to sponsor major women's racing events. That's right -- at the same time Lance Armstrong was generating so much interest in men's cycling, he was taking actions that caused significant damage to women's cycling, and all women cyclists.

Lance Armstrong is dirty. The goal of this interview wasn't to apologize for all the terrible stuff he's done. The goal of this interview was to apologize for a tiny fraction of the things he's done, and to hope that everyone forgets all the really bad stuff.


This. He's basically an entitled, amoral sociopath who shouldn't be a spokesman for NAMBLA, much less anything else.
 
2013-01-18 04:17:05 PM  

Stabone33: Long story short... Lance hasn't mattered to the sport in quite a while. It's everyone outside of cycling making a huge damn deal out of this. If Lance mattered to modern cycling he would have interviewed with Bobke Phil Liggett. Not freaking Oprah.

FTFY.


Thanks. I agree. But Bob makes me laugh.
 
2013-01-18 04:21:17 PM  
Lance Armstrong is a loser. He saw his lie to the bitter end and came face to chest with Oprah's big ole mammaries. A pathetic liar, bully, slanderer, and vindictive little man.
 
2013-01-18 04:26:21 PM  

theorellior: The Larch: This is the real problem I have with Lance Armstrong. I really don't care that he was taking performance enhancing drugs. Maybe everyone really was doing it. Whatever, it doesn't matter.

But I do care that Lance Armstrong literally made millions of dollars by bringing lawsuits against people who alleged that he was doping. This isn't a joke. Lance Armstrong won millions of dollars in defamation lawsuits against people who claimed that he was doping. He sued so many people, now he says he can't even remember how many people he sued.

Lance Armstrong also did stuff a lot worse than sue people. He had teammates fired if they refused to dope. He did a downright, flat out evil thing Greg LeMond. (Google it; I refuse to even repeat what he did.) He conspired with the UCI (the sports governing body) to bring lawsuits against high-profile riders like Floyd Landis who "damaged" the sport by alleging that Lance Armstrong was doping.

In fact, Nicole Cook has claimed that the UCI spent so much time and money suing people on Lance's behalf, that they could no longer even afford to sponsor major women's racing events. That's right -- at the same time Lance Armstrong was generating so much interest in men's cycling, he was taking actions that caused significant damage to women's cycling, and all women cyclists.

Lance Armstrong is dirty. The goal of this interview wasn't to apologize for all the terrible stuff he's done. The goal of this interview was to apologize for a tiny fraction of the things he's done, and to hope that everyone forgets all the really bad stuff.

This. He's basically an entitled, amoral sociopath who shouldn't be a spokesman for NAMBLA, much less anything else.


Of course not he looks nothing like Marlon Brando.
 
2013-01-18 04:41:28 PM  
That interview last night was good..  I have to say also her online streaming setup was spot on perfect.. No lag, HD, started right on time..
 
2013-01-18 05:35:03 PM  
It's farking bike riding. I can't believe so many people care one way or the other.
 
2013-01-18 05:38:32 PM  

seumasokelly: Supes: The least believable thing to me was his claim that he did not dope in 2009 during his 3rd place finish when he was 37 years old. A cheater who has not been caught does not simply stop cheating. And a 37-year-old body does not recover every night from intense cycling like that ahead of other finishers who it's known WERE doping.

The interesting thing was his claim that he HAD to dope during his 7-year run, but then magically finished third in his comeback without doping. If you can finish 3rd clean at age 37, why did you need to dope before?


That would work if the rest of the peloton weren´t doping either, thus still having a level playing field.

I think he's telling the truth tbh.
 
2013-01-18 05:40:51 PM  

Supes: I'm inclined to believe there wasn't less doping, so much as smarter doping.


Perhaps. But the numbers are the numbers - they were slower than in years past. Not saying it was an all-clean peloton, but clearly they were not able to dope to as great an effect as before.
 
2013-01-18 05:42:11 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Does he get some kind of special jersey for that?


Yes. It is black, with a BIG yellow stripe running down the back, stretching from his neck to his ass.
 
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