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2013-01-18 06:41:28 PM

poot_rootbeer: StrandedInAZ: After Apple essentially stole about a thousand songs from me that I'd legally purchased through their app store

What.

Explain.


I'm guessing a combination of hard drive failure/wipe/etc. plus Apple's policy of not letting you redownload stuff (although they usually allow it if you explain to them the situation, at least the first time). Not sure if they've changed that recently, I haven't dealt with iTunes for awhile.
 
2013-01-18 07:17:34 PM

hawcian: poot_rootbeer: StrandedInAZ: After Apple essentially stole about a thousand songs from me that I'd legally purchased through their app store

What.

Explain.

I'm guessing a combination of hard drive failure/wipe/etc. plus Apple's policy of not letting you redownload stuff (although they usually allow it if you explain to them the situation, at least the first time). Not sure if they've changed that recently, I haven't dealt with iTunes for awhile.


That really is such a bullshiat policy on Apple's side.

You lost the files? woops! rebuy!

I realise that if you lose a CD you have no choice but to rebuy, however, digital purchases, especially those attached to an individual account, are different in nature to CDs.

But to have to beg and explain why you want to redownload? Good god, just let people download their purchases already.
 
2013-01-18 07:37:52 PM
Everything I've ever bought from apple shows up in iTunes with a cloud link to redownload. I've downloaded stuff straight to my phone many times that I didn't have loaded. I think some people might want to log into iTunes and take a look.
 
2013-01-18 08:12:14 PM

gingerjet: And this is news how?  No one has ever prevented anyone from buying anything on a store through a browser.  Not Apple.  Not Samsung.  Not Microsoft.

/oh right - it involves Apple so therefor we must hate it


God, it's nice to see a reasonable comment from the beginning.
 
2013-01-18 09:56:07 PM
maybe it's just me, but I've never understood the gripe people have with iTunes. It plays my farking music. Is it supposed to do something else?
 
2013-01-18 10:17:13 PM
Amazon has been doing this for some time with their Kindle app. Apple seems not to care, Amazon sells books on iDevices. Everyone seems to get by just fine
 
2013-01-18 10:17:54 PM

Uncle Pooky: maybe it's just me, but I've never understood the gripe people have with iTunes. It plays my farking music. Is it supposed to do something else?


It pours gasoline on babies and disembowels kittens.
 
2013-01-18 11:17:39 PM

theurge14: Uncle Pooky: maybe it's just me, but I've never understood the gripe people have with iTunes. It plays my farking music. Is it supposed to do something else?

It pours gasoline on babies and disembowels kittens.


I figured that was just a nice additional benefit.
 
2013-01-18 11:29:44 PM

Uncle Pooky: theurge14: Uncle Pooky: maybe it's just me, but I've never understood the gripe people have with iTunes. It plays my farking music. Is it supposed to do something else?

It pours gasoline on babies and disembowels kittens.

I figured that was just a nice additional benefit.


Hell, I paid extra for that!
 
kab
2013-01-19 12:14:58 AM

Tickle Mittens: I feel like I'm the only person who still buys CDs.


You aren't, no worries.
 
kab
2013-01-19 12:23:10 AM

theurge14: Uncle Pooky: maybe it's just me, but I've never understood the gripe people have with iTunes. It plays my farking music. Is it supposed to do something else?

It pours gasoline on babies and disembowels kittens charges artists stupid amounts of money to list their music on iTunes..


Not a big deal for big acts. For indies though? Apple's cut is a bit obscene.
 
2013-01-19 12:23:41 AM
Didn't Apple try and force other browser-based services to toe Apple's line on price, or get shut out? That is, if the website offered a discount, the same discount *had* to be offered via iTunes, or Apple would remove the app.

Not sure if that got settled or not, but I can see this playing out in a similar manner - at least until Amazon points out that they also have a building full of lawyers.
 
2013-01-19 02:22:46 AM
Very clever work by Amazon.

Suck a big one, Apple.
 
2013-01-19 02:28:46 AM

Tron-tonian: Didn't Apple try and force other browser-based services to toe Apple's line on price, or get shut out? That is, if the website offered a discount, the same discount *had* to be offered via iTunes, or Apple would remove the app.

Not sure if that got settled or not, but I can see this playing out in a similar manner - at least until Amazon points out that they also have a building full of lawyers.


The app doesn't sell anything.
 
2013-01-19 03:55:00 AM
Tim Cook is prepared to go to thermonuclear war with Amazon, because selling things online is stolen technology.
 
2013-01-19 05:52:24 AM

Supes: the living hell that is iTunes for Windows


Rest assured it's not just Apple writing bad software for Windows -- iTunes suck pretty hard on Mac too. It goes all single-threaded on a pretty regular basis, plays terribly with slow (i.e. network) disks, can't handle large libraries, doesn't report write errors, incorporates 1000 different features that should be separate apps, demands a full-time exclusive lock on the library file, etc.

I'm pretty sure Apple is aware of the suck, they just either don't care, or don't know how to fix it. Things are slightly complicated because on Windows they don't want to make you install and update 7 different apps to use all their products and services, but that's not much of an excuse.
 
2013-01-19 09:28:48 AM
What the hell are you people doing that iTunes works so badly for you? Asking it to perform quadratic equations?
 
2013-01-19 09:51:01 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: ProfessorOhki: wholedamnshow: s2s2s2: Amazon launches mobile MP3 store for iPhone while also cutting Apple out of the profits. News from tomorrow: Apple sues Amazon for some kind of music infringement iOS update.

FTFY

Since the entire process is done through a browser, an iOS update won't change anything.

Of course, Safari get a new feature where it couldn't save files to the music library w/o a 20 step process to change the default option. You know, for simplicity and user safety and stuff.

There are other browsers available for iOS.


And how many of those browsers can open the google maps app instead of the Apple maps app?
 
2013-01-19 11:54:25 AM

profplump: Supes: the living hell that is iTunes for Windows

Rest assured it's not just Apple writing bad software for Windows -- iTunes suck pretty hard on Mac too. It goes all single-threaded on a pretty regular basis, plays terribly with slow (i.e. network) disks, can't handle large libraries, doesn't report write errors, incorporates 1000 different features that should be separate apps, demands a full-time exclusive lock on the library file, etc.

I'm pretty sure Apple is aware of the suck, they just either don't care, or don't know how to fix it. Things are slightly complicated because on Windows they don't want to make you install and update 7 different apps to use all their products and services, but that's not much of an excuse.


I've been using it since the very first version, and I've never had a single problem with it.
 
2013-01-19 12:08:18 PM

snowshovel: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: ProfessorOhki: wholedamnshow: s2s2s2: Amazon launches mobile MP3 store for iPhone while also cutting Apple out of the profits. News from tomorrow: Apple sues Amazon for some kind of music infringement iOS update.

FTFY

Since the entire process is done through a browser, an iOS update won't change anything.

Of course, Safari get a new feature where it couldn't save files to the music library w/o a 20 step process to change the default option. You know, for simplicity and user safety and stuff.

There are other browsers available for iOS.

And how many of those browsers can open the google maps app instead of the Apple maps app?



Wat?
 
2013-01-19 12:08:29 PM

thisone: hawcian: poot_rootbeer: StrandedInAZ: After Apple essentially stole about a thousand songs from me that I'd legally purchased through their app store

What.

Explain.

I'm guessing a combination of hard drive failure/wipe/etc. plus Apple's policy of not letting you redownload stuff (although they usually allow it if you explain to them the situation, at least the first time). Not sure if they've changed that recently, I haven't dealt with iTunes for awhile.

That really is such a bullshiat policy on Apple's side.

You lost the files? woops! rebuy!

I realise that if you lose a CD you have no choice but to rebuy, however, digital purchases, especially those attached to an individual account, are different in nature to CDs.

But to have to beg and explain why you want to redownload? Good god, just let people download their purchases already.


It's not remotely true, spanky.

I've downloaded my entire collection onto my computer multiple times. It's under 'store', then 'purchased', then 'download all or download all not on this computer'.

That WAS the policy at some point, but multiple high value and name lawsuits made them step back and go 'uh, you know what, here', and that was years ago.
 
2013-01-19 01:29:27 PM

JosephFinn: What the hell are you people doing that iTunes works so badly for you? Asking it to perform quadratic equations?


Good question. Some of them are morons who can't get iTunes to work. Others are paid shills or brainwashed losers who think they're achieving something by parroting lame anti-Apple propaganda.
 
2013-01-19 01:59:19 PM
Mac Farkers, I've been using iTunes 11 for a couple weeks now and decided I hate it. I didn't mind the performance in earlier versions, but every single problem profplump mentions now manifest to a ridiculous extent. Making a single change to a track often results in the entire app beachballing for seconds at a time.

Has anybody attempted downgrading to 10.7 in a way that doesn't require restoring the iTunes Library files from Time Machine and therefore losing all the changes I've made since upgrading?
 
2013-01-19 03:13:04 PM

poot_rootbeer: Mac Farkers, I've been using iTunes 11 for a couple weeks now and decided I hate it. I didn't mind the performance in earlier versions, but every single problem profplump mentions now manifest to a ridiculous extent. Making a single change to a track often results in the entire app beachballing for seconds at a time.

Has anybody attempted downgrading to 10.7 in a way that doesn't require restoring the iTunes Library files from Time Machine and therefore losing all the changes I've made since upgrading?


What sort of changes are you talking about? I've used it to chop up songs to create ringtones and had no hiccups.
 
2013-01-20 03:46:08 AM

JosephFinn: What the hell are you people doing that iTunes works so badly for you? Asking it to perform quadratic equations?


Double clicking the iTunes icon.
 
2013-01-21 12:48:42 PM

firegoat: Everything I've ever bought from apple shows up in iTunes with a cloud link to redownload. I've downloaded stuff straight to my phone many times that I didn't have loaded. I think some people might want to log into iTunes and take a look.


After updating to the most current iTunes release, I started seeing music that I purchased back in 2006, that I've totally forgot about, show up with a cloud link.

Apple keeps a log of everything you purchase on your Apple ID. Pretty decent.
 
2013-01-21 01:23:10 PM
I've been an Amazon fan for years, but they just won me over *again* last week when they sent me an email to notify me that I can now download (for free) digital copies of a number of CDs that I've bought from Amazon over the years....some of them dating back to the late 90's. One of the CDs on the list was one that I've considered re-buying in digital format several times since I lost the CD ages ago and didn't have a backup. Amazon rocks once again.
 
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