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(Fox News)   Whole Foods CEO John Mackey would like all of the tree-hugging liberals who shop at his stores to know that he wasn't being serious when he used the word "fascism" to describe Obamacare   (foxnews.com) divider line 41
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2013-01-18 01:54:23 PM
9 votes:
For several decades after Henry Ford, businessmen knew well enough not to spout off about politics (or religion) that might offend their customers.

It is amusing to watch them re-learn this lesson.
2013-01-18 01:59:05 PM
8 votes:
He said he was trying to describe "government-controlled health care," or "the opposite of free-enterprise capitalism."


That's a lie. It's not "government controlled". Having some regulations is not "government controlled" does he believe doctors need to be licensed is "fascism" too? Because according to him that's "government control" also. I wish some reporter would actually grow a pair and call people out how make these retarded statements.
2013-01-18 01:56:08 PM
8 votes:
Don't care, don't shop there, never will.

Business owners that wear their derpitude on their sleeves don't get my patronage.
2013-01-18 01:55:52 PM
8 votes:
Yeah... backpedal all you want, John Mackey. Perhaps in the future you will refrain from expressing your ridiculous opinions in public. I don't believe for a second that he didn't mean it. Bottom line is... he doesn't want to provide healthcare to his employees and thus may eat a bowl of dicks.
2013-01-18 02:03:36 PM
4 votes:

fuhfuhfuh: You would think that all of these stalwarts of capitalism would have learned by now that your personal views can have a negative impact on your bottom line if said views are derogatory to large portions of your customer base.

Kind of amusing that they all have to be reminded the hard way that they are not the only game in town, and that their services, while convenient, aren't exactly required.


It doesn't matter how large of your customer base it is. A good capitalist wouldn't say anything that could lose him even one customer. You might lose a customer or two across all stores, or more likely, you've probably got some stores in more liberal areas which will be much harder hit than others, possibly leading to layoffs or in extreme cases, store closures. Any way you slice it this proves his man isn't capable of leading a company and should be fired immediately.
2013-01-18 02:02:16 PM
4 votes:
I actually had a dentist tell me that Obamacare was full control of healthcare because "If government is involved even a little they are fully involved". So I asked him if he was then against government licensing of medical professionals. Yeah he really didn't have an answer for that.
2013-01-18 01:57:28 PM
3 votes:
What a farking moron, a large portion of his customers shop there and pay higher prices for two reasons:

1. The food selection, especially meat and seafood.
2. The belief the workers aren't treated like subhuman serfs al al Walmart
(3. The high prices keep the riffraff out.)

Don't make comments that are going to piss a decent portion of your base.
2013-01-18 01:54:54 PM
3 votes:
Tree-huggers shop at locally owed co-ops but only to supplement the crops they grow in their basement with their pocket mulch.

Soccer moms shop at Whole Foods.
2013-01-18 01:54:44 PM
3 votes:
This is twice now he's made a similar comment. I believe he used the word "socialism" the first time. So yes, he is serious.
2013-01-18 01:38:02 PM
3 votes:
Is "everyone who shops at Whole Foods is a liberal" the new "everyone who has a hobby is a hipster?"
2013-01-18 02:40:32 PM
2 votes:

nexxus: Labrat407: "I need a new word or phrase to describe the state of health care now because it is something that I, like all folks entrusted with the wellbeing of a team, grapple with daily in this era,"

Let's see, how about fair, equitable, universal, resonable, cost-effective? Health care should be a right of every citizen around the world, not just for the rich and well employed.

So should be a good meal, a good job, the ability to communicate (telephone and internet service), to travel (cars, boats, airplanes). Where does it end? Who pays for it? You may want to take care of everyone, but I don't - and to force your beliefs on me is wrong.


I don't believe in paying for corporate welfare or bullshiat wars, yet I do it every day. So suck it up and deal with living in our Republic.
2013-01-18 02:14:19 PM
2 votes:
Let me see if I have this correct: CEO's cut employees hours so they cannot get insurance and the employees don't make enough money ro buy it on their own. CEO's dont want to pay more in taxes that would cover everyone to have health care. The CEO's have excellent health care.
2013-01-18 02:02:06 PM
2 votes:

sigdiamond2000: Is "everyone who shops at Whole Foods is a liberal" the new "everyone who has a hobby is a hipster?"


Given that as far as I've been aware of it, Whole Food's nickname has always been "whole paycheck"  I think it's target demographic is less liberal hippies and more "self-righteous narcissists who drive BMWS and bored trophy wife soccer moms in Lincoln Navigators", you know the folks who nodded thier heads and muttered "so true" when they heard Romney's infamous 47% remarks

REAL hippies know where the local farmer's market is or have a subscription to a CSA
2013-01-18 02:01:07 PM
2 votes:

urbangirl: This is twice now he's made a similar comment. I believe he used the word "socialism" the first time. So yes, he is serious.


If he used the words "socialism" and "fascism" to describe the same policy, then the only thing he is serious about is being seriously ignorant about what words mean.
2013-01-18 01:58:33 PM
2 votes:
You would think that all of these stalwarts of capitalism would have learned by now that your personal views can have a negative impact on your bottom line if said views are derogatory to large portions of your customer base.

Kind of amusing that they all have to be reminded the hard way that they are not the only game in town, and that their services, while convenient, aren't exactly required.
2013-01-18 01:57:04 PM
2 votes:
dick dick dick dick

Like how he is proud of selling overpriced shiat to schools though.

Socialism that makes me money is okey dokey.
2013-01-18 01:55:45 PM
2 votes:
Well, bless his heart. This tree-hugging liberal shops at Trader Joe's, so he can bite my butt anyway.
2013-01-18 03:32:06 PM
1 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: Yeah, here's the quote:

"I regret using that word now because it's got so much baggage attached to it," Mackey told HuffPost Live on Thursday. "Of course, I was just using the standard dictionary definition."


In other words, "I'm sorry you can't handle your beliefs".

Deal with it.


fas·cism noun \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\
Definition of FASCISM
1often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control
- fas·cist \-shist also -sist\ noun or adjective often capitalized
- fas·cis·tic \fa-ˈshis-tik also -ˈsis-\ adjective often capitalized
- fas·cis·ti·cal·ly \-ti-k(ə-)lē\ adverb often capitalized
2013-01-18 03:27:26 PM
1 votes:
nexxus:

Let's break it down:
* 'Obamacare and stripping gunrights = Fascism.' Clear there's a debate here, so it's a reasonable statement relating his point of view.
>>this is not a reasonable statement it is Hyperbole at best and complete Bullshiat at worst. If you look at the definition of facsism there is no debate. Also Obamacare was a heritage foundation idea, so are conservatives Fascists? Stripping gun rights is another illusion that has no backing in reality.

* 'All power to the state, none to the individual.' The state is taking more power and you're left with less. QED.
>>More hyperbole that does not follow the premise assuming he is folllwing from his first statement.

* 'And for his supporters out there, do you really think you're going to benefit from this system?' Legitimate question.
>>This is legetimate question but then follows with tripe.

* 'Do you really think the idiots who end up in government are going to take care of all your needs while you sit around doing nothing, waiting for your government dole?' I can't imagine anyone thinks the people who work in government aren't, by and large, idiots. Obamacare does increase 'dole'.
>>see

* 'To bad you can't ask the government slaves in North Korea or China how that's working out for them.' You can't, and it is a shame.
>>How is Obamacare like North Korea and China? By the way China and North Korea do not have the same forms of goverment or even societal norms and goverment control.

* 'A life of forced military conscription or factory work in exchange for a starving, hopeless, spartan existence doesn't sound like much of a deal to me.' This does happen, and it is too bad you can't talk to them.
>> So don;t live in NK and China. I'm sure you and him will stop buying chinese made products but this still ahs nothing to do with Obamacare and how our goverment currently opperates.

* 'Yet you idiots gleefully cheer Obama when he strips rights and freedoms.' Maybe he shouldn't have called ...
See how can you argue with this? I wonder how he feels when people get stripped of their voting rights because they can't afford to get a state ID, rules keep changing, and access gets restricted? How about the same sex marriage?
2013-01-18 03:25:27 PM
1 votes:

ManRay: nexxus: Everyone is in for a rude awakening when they realize that making government responsible for our health, makes it their business what you eat, as health is directly related to nutrition and what you put into your body. In fact, it's very nearly the only thing that matters.

Precisely.

The one that pays the piper calls the tune.


Serious question: Can you point to some examples of this in the countries that have single payer healthcare?
2013-01-18 03:13:58 PM
1 votes:
The ideal of capitalism as it has been embraced by money/power in this country is the incarnation of capitalism that brings them more money/power while wearing a mask of social and economic altruism.

Appearances matter if the status quo is to be maintained.

He lost sight of that briefly and now worries that the status quo for his slice of the pie may be endangered by letting his mask slip.

Some of us were never fooled by the mask, and gleefully watch him squirm.
2013-01-18 03:12:08 PM
1 votes:

nexxus: urbangirl: WhoopAssWayne: Obamacare and stripping our gun rights are both pretty much Fascism 101. All power to the state, none to the individual. And for his supporters out there, do you really think you're going to benefit from this system? Do you really think the idiots who end up in government are going to take care of all your needs while you sit around doing nothing, waiting for your government dole? To bad you can't ask the government slaves in North Korea or China how that's working out for them. A life of forced military conscription or factory work in exchange for a starving, hopeless, spartan existence doesn't sound like much of a deal to me. Yet you idiots gleefully cheer Obama when he strips rights and freedoms.

Aww, honey, you're not even entertaining. Bless your heart.

I guess I don't see what was wrong with what he said.

Let's break it down:
* 'Obamacare and stripping gunrights = Fascism.' Clear there's a debate here, so it's a reasonable statement relating his point of view.
* 'All power to the state, none to the individual.' The state is taking more power and you're left with less. QED.
* 'And for his supporters out there, do you really think you're going to benefit from this system?' Legitimate question.
* 'Do you really think the idiots who end up in government are going to take care of all your needs while you sit around doing nothing, waiting for your government dole?' I can't imagine anyone thinks the people who work in government aren't, by and large, idiots. Obamacare does increase 'dole'.
* 'To bad you can't ask the government slaves in North Korea or China how that's working out for them.' You can't, and it is a shame.
* 'A life of forced military conscription or factory work in exchange for a starving, hopeless, spartan existence doesn't sound like much of a deal to me.' This does happen, and it is too bad you can't talk to them.
* 'Yet you idiots gleefully cheer Obama when he strips rights and freedoms.' Maybe ...


Again, I don't see the problem. Care to respond point-by-point, hon?


no thanks. waaayyyy too much spittle in that little screed.
btw, i work in government. i'm intelligent and conscientious and i make a positive difference in people's lives. so i'm going back to work now. have fun, y'all.
2013-01-18 03:07:39 PM
1 votes:

nexxus: jaytkay: Last time this was in the new, teabaggers/freepers/etc were vowing online to do ALL their shopping at Whole Foods.

Imagine their reaction when they walked in and found no Bacon 'n' Cheese Chicken Nuggets with Dippin' Sauce.

lol conservatives lol

Everyone is in for a rude awakening when they realize that making government responsible for our health, makes it their business what you eat, as health is directly related to nutrition and what you put into your body. In fact, it's very nearly the only thing that matters.


Your slippery slope is very slippery. The goverment has a vested right to have some responsibility over our heath as it is in our vested interest not to have a defence force that can't run a mile or a workforce to unhealthy to grow our GDP. That is why we have a CDC, DOH, FDA, USDA, etc. So are you saying the Heritage Foundation, who came up with the framework for "Obama/Romney Care" are interested in full government control over our bodies? You probably think Cap and Trade was hatched as a sisnister liberal plot as well.
2013-01-18 02:55:42 PM
1 votes:

master_dman: The only people who seem to know, and/or care that more taxes and regulations and rules are hurting businesses are people who either own businesses, or work and don't suck off the taxpayers teat.


You don't think that corporations suck off of taxpayer teats? Hahahahahaha!
2013-01-18 02:46:09 PM
1 votes:

nexxus: ghare: nexxus: Labrat407: "I need a new word or phrase to describe the state of health care now because it is something that I, like all folks entrusted with the wellbeing of a team, grapple with daily in this era,"

Let's see, how about fair, equitable, universal, resonable, cost-effective? Health care should be a right of every citizen around the world, not just for the rich and well employed.

So should be a good meal, a good job, the ability to communicate (telephone and internet service), to travel (cars, boats, airplanes). Where does it end? Who pays for it? You may want to take care of everyone, but I don't - and to force your beliefs on me is wrong.

I don't believe in paying for corporate welfare or bullshiat wars, yet I do it every day. So suck it up and deal with living in our Republic.

Well, on that we agree.. we shouldn't be paying 'corporate welfare' or bullshiat wars.

Let's start cleaning things up there and see how we come out before we start forcing more people to do more things at gunpoint. Yes, that really *is* what it is.


All laws are that. And frankly, sir, I am fine with forcing you to contribute to providing for the health of your fellow citizens, because it appears you're a person who wants all the benefits of living in a civilized society without having to pay for any of it. In other words, a sociopath.
2013-01-18 02:39:05 PM
1 votes:

WhoopAssWayne: Obamacare and stripping our gun rights are both pretty much Fascism 101. All power to the state, none to the individual. And for his supporters out there, do you really think you're going to benefit from this system? Do you really think the idiots who end up in government are going to take care of all your needs while you sit around doing nothing, waiting for your government dole? To bad you can't ask the government slaves in North Korea or China how that's working out for them. A life of forced military conscription or factory work in exchange for a starving, hopeless, spartan existence doesn't sound like much of a deal to me. Yet you idiots gleefully cheer Obama when he strips rights and freedoms.


You really, really should avail yourself of Obamacare and go get you some mental health help from an expert.
2013-01-18 02:35:35 PM
1 votes:
"I need a new word or phrase to describe the state of health care now because it is something that I, like all folks entrusted with the wellbeing of a team, grapple with daily in this era,"

Let's see, how about fair, equitable, universal, resonable, cost-effective? Health care should be a right of every citizen around the world, not just for the rich and well employed.
2013-01-18 02:26:04 PM
1 votes:
He argued that in fascism, "the government doesn't own the means of production but they do control it,"


Since the experts can't agree what fascist economics is, I would suggest that this guy is completely off-base. Any political system that can:

1. Nationalize any industry or business
2. Threaten to nationalize any industry or business unless it bends to the will of the state
3. Install board members and officers in otherwise privately-held businesses

pretty much controls the means of production.

In short, it's my opinion this guy is an idiot who is trying to save his business from a strong public reaction to his previous idiotic statement.

YMMV.
2013-01-18 02:12:01 PM
1 votes:
If I truly had to vote my conscience with my wallet, I'd probably starve to death while naked and shelterless.

If I were a stockholder, I'd insist that folks like this or Papa John's chairman would just shut the hell up.
2013-01-18 02:09:29 PM
1 votes:
"Mackey continued to argue that the new system ...will not be as effective as a system in which the government is less involved. "Competition forces business to improve and get better," Mackey said in an earlier Fox News interview, saying "bad regulations" are hurting."

Yes, because all that free market competition in insurance didn't get us to this point of failure in the first place, it's all because of those darn 'regulations'.

/I was in the hospital about two years ago and had a hospital water pitcher
//It was a bargain, and only showed up on my hospital bill as a $35 charge for my insurance company
//not part of the problem at all
2013-01-18 02:06:01 PM
1 votes:

Rihlsul: GoodyearPimp: How much energy can you create by backpedaling so furiously?

It's interesting, too, because reading the whole quote, he's not wrong that it's a fascist policy, which is vastly different from spouting off about "Obongos gonna takes mah monies, that's facisms!". Sad when you can't use the right terms to discuss governance without invoking a shiatstorm.


Accept, of course, it is not the right term.  Regulating a market place is not fascism.  Every western democracy does it.  Or are you saying that all of Europe is Fascist?
2013-01-18 02:05:17 PM
1 votes:

ha-ha-guy: What a farking moron, a large portion of his customers shop there and pay higher prices for two reasons:

1. The food selection, especially meat and seafood.
2. The belief the workers aren't treated like subhuman serfs al al Walmart
(3. The high prices keep the riffraff out.)


I shop there because they have awesome food bars and prepared foods, and they are the only grocery store in the history of humankind who actually understands how to properly run an express checkout lane.

That last point alone is worth paying Whole Foods prices to me.

By the way, I've know some people who have worked at Whole Foods and it actually sounds like an awful place to work. Trader Joe's on the other hand is supposed to be a great place to work.
2013-01-18 02:04:47 PM
1 votes:
A few too many complaint emails in the old inbox eh, farknut?
2013-01-18 02:03:22 PM
1 votes:

Magorn: sigdiamond2000: Is "everyone who shops at Whole Foods is a liberal" the new "everyone who has a hobby is a hipster?"

Given that as far as I've been aware of it, Whole Food's nickname has always been "whole paycheck"  I think it's target demographic is less liberal hippies and more "self-righteous narcissists who drive BMWS and bored trophy wife soccer moms in Lincoln Navigators", you know the folks who nodded thier heads and muttered "so true" when they heard Romney's infamous 47% remarks

REAL hippies know where the local farmer's market is or have a subscription to a CSA


THIS.
2013-01-18 02:02:25 PM
1 votes:
farm8.staticflickr.com

This is how Mommy parks when taking Parker and Emma to pick up Annie's Organic Mac and Cheese.

Typical lib.  Right next to the lib with the Jesus fish.
2013-01-18 02:01:47 PM
1 votes:
Whatever. I'm not a liberal but I go in there on occasion to hit the hotbar. Some of the best food I have *ever* had.
2013-01-18 01:59:01 PM
1 votes:
I would like for him to know that I still think he is kinda of douchey.
2013-01-18 01:58:21 PM
1 votes:
What a f*ckin moron.
2013-01-18 01:57:51 PM
1 votes:
FTA: He said he was trying to describe ... "the opposite of free-enterprise capitalism."

That isn't much better. Moron.
2013-01-18 01:56:54 PM
1 votes:

GoodyearPimp: How much energy can you create by backpedaling so furiously?


It's interesting, too, because reading the whole quote, he's not wrong that it's a fascist policy, which is vastly different from spouting off about "Obongos gonna takes mah monies, that's facisms!". Sad when you can't use the right terms to discuss governance without invoking a shiatstorm.
2013-01-18 01:55:15 PM
1 votes:
Every suburban housewife that drives a Land Rover is a liberal.
 
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