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(Fox News)   Whole Foods CEO John Mackey would like all of the tree-hugging liberals who shop at his stores to know that he wasn't being serious when he used the word "fascism" to describe Obamacare   (foxnews.com) divider line 332
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2013-01-18 02:28:26 PM

halleyscomet: Right.

Whole Foods employees don't have health care, meaning the guy making the sandwiches may have a nasty infection, but no medical insurance to get coverage or sick days to stay home and get better.

It's good to know what stores to avoid for my own health.

Want the Flu? Go to Whole Foods!


in your rush to trot out this recycled silliness, you ignored an important item. Most Whole Food employees do have health care and do get paid sick days.
 
2013-01-18 02:29:23 PM
xaratherus - Yes, because all that free market competition in insurance didn't get us to this point of failure in the first place, it's all because of those darn 'regulations'.

/I was in the hospital about two years ago and had a hospital water pitcher
//It was a bargain, and only showed up on my hospital bill as a $35 charge for my insurance company
//not part of the problem at all


And I have nothing more to add. Done here.
 
2013-01-18 02:30:48 PM

HotWingConspiracy: nexxus: HotWingConspiracy: nexxus: A good capitalist will express himself if he feels that his long term interests are best served by doing so. In this case, he's right: 'your' wacko, liberal, bias toward government control (and yes, that *is* what it is..even if only 'partial' through 'a few' regulations - it *is* control) will eventually put him out of business or so far under the thumb of government that he might as well be out of business. Speaking out is the only rational thing to do and shows that he's a man of courage and integrity, unlike most of you liberal farkwits who blow whichever way the wind does. Shame he caved.

But you just said he expresses himself if he feels that his long term interests are best served by doing so.

Yes, and I said he 'caved' .. we don't know why, specifically, but clearly he did. What's your point?

That his "cave" serves his long term interests. So you really shouldn't think it's a shame, he's being a good capitalist by your own terms.


Maybe his job/position was threatened. We all know you liberal pansies can't handle alternate viewpoints or have a rational discussion, despite your professions of openness and tolerance. We don't really know why he caved - can only speculate.

He certainly believes what he said originally.
 
2013-01-18 02:31:27 PM
i think trying to give heathcare is the opposite of fascism.

but you racist cracker meatheads can't wrap your tiny minds around the fact that fascism is when you blame all your problems on some defenseless minority of people (jews, blacks, mexicans, gay, mentally ill) and then you start a pogrom to demonize these minorities. This conveniently shelters the governments (Hitler, Bush, Obama) from their atrocities by blaming it on the defenseless, while *BONUS ROUND* you get to destroy the those very minorities that oppose you, one by one, cleanly.
 
2013-01-18 02:32:35 PM

Carn: nexxus: A good capitalist will express himself if he feels that his long term interests are best served by doing so. In this case, he's right: 'your' wacko, liberal, bias toward government control (and yes, that *is* what it is..even if only 'partial' through 'a few' regulations - it *is* control) will eventually put him out of business or so far under the thumb of government that he might as well be out of business. Speaking out is the only rational thing to do and shows that he's a man of courage and integrity, unlike most of you liberal farkwits who blow whichever way the wind does. Shame he caved.

You clearly have no idea what capitalism is, or what you're doing to the world. God help us all.

Straw man, straw man
Serving up derp as only a straw man can
Making false claims, killing them good
Straw man


Amusing, but there's no straw man there. Try having a rational discussion with someone who might disagree with you.. or even .. *gasp* .. use terms you've decided are offensive, rather than simply dismiss what they're saying. It'll serve you well in life.
 
2013-01-18 02:33:26 PM

nexxus: That his "cave" serves his long term interests. So you really shouldn't think it's a shame, he's being a good capitalist by your own terms.

Maybe his job/position was threatened. We all know you liberal pansies can't handle alternate viewpoints or have a rational discussion, despite your professions of openness and tolerance. We don't really know why he caved - can only speculate.

He certainly believes what he said originally.


Ad-hominem man, Ad-hominem man
Ad-hominem man meets Straw man
They don't fight
They are good friends
Ad-hominem man
 
2013-01-18 02:33:34 PM
I don't like to come on here and complain, but obamacare increased the cost of my insured back rubs,
 
2013-01-18 02:33:59 PM

Guuberre: Well, bless his heart. This tree-hugging liberal shops at Trader Joe's, so he can bite my butt anyway.


This alway's amused me about "Hippies" and Trader Joe's (AKA Aldi's).The Aldi brothers of Germany who own Trader Joes and Aldi generic discount stores are some shady capatalists themselves.
 
2013-01-18 02:34:18 PM
Obamacare and stripping our gun rights are both pretty much Fascism 101. All power to the state, none to the individual. And for his supporters out there, do you really think you're going to benefit from this system? Do you really think the idiots who end up in government are going to take care of all your needs while you sit around doing nothing, waiting for your government dole? To bad you can't ask the government slaves in North Korea or China how that's working out for them. A life of forced military conscription or factory work in exchange for a starving, hopeless, spartan existence doesn't sound like much of a deal to me. Yet you idiots gleefully cheer Obama when he strips rights and freedoms.
 
2013-01-18 02:35:07 PM

Carn: nexxus: That his "cave" serves his long term interests. So you really shouldn't think it's a shame, he's being a good capitalist by your own terms.

Maybe his job/position was threatened. We all know you liberal pansies can't handle alternate viewpoints or have a rational discussion, despite your professions of openness and tolerance. We don't really know why he caved - can only speculate.

He certainly believes what he said originally.

Ad-hominem man, Ad-hominem man
Ad-hominem man meets Straw man
They don't fight
They are good friends
Ad-hominem man


That was an ad-hominem. Good catch.

Then again, maybe I'm just pointing out that you're delicate like pretty little flowers.
 
2013-01-18 02:35:35 PM
"I need a new word or phrase to describe the state of health care now because it is something that I, like all folks entrusted with the wellbeing of a team, grapple with daily in this era,"

Let's see, how about fair, equitable, universal, resonable, cost-effective? Health care should be a right of every citizen around the world, not just for the rich and well employed.
 
2013-01-18 02:35:53 PM

halleyscomet: Whole Foods employees don't have health care,


No, anyone working over 30hrs/week gets health care. According to Mackey, that's about 70 (75?) percent of his workforce. I don't know how great their plan is, but he said their deductible is $3000, which seems insanely high to me. I think mine is terrible at $1000.
 
2013-01-18 02:36:22 PM
Competition forces business to improve and get better

That really hasn't worked so well for insurance specifically and healthcare in general. The bureaucrats have already won. And they're winning again with this whole mess.

There should be no corporate profit in providing basic healthcare. Not in self pay, not in government pay, nowhere. There's no public transit option. You can have the Cavalier or the BMW but if you don't want the Cavalier you'll pay for it anyway. Ostensibly to pay for someone else's BMW. Until they fix the profiteering, it will stay broken.

Jackasses.
 
2013-01-18 02:36:54 PM

nexxus: HotWingConspiracy: nexxus: HotWingConspiracy: nexxus: A good capitalist will express himself if he feels that his long term interests are best served by doing so. In this case, he's right: 'your' wacko, liberal, bias toward government control (and yes, that *is* what it is..even if only 'partial' through 'a few' regulations - it *is* control) will eventually put him out of business or so far under the thumb of government that he might as well be out of business. Speaking out is the only rational thing to do and shows that he's a man of courage and integrity, unlike most of you liberal farkwits who blow whichever way the wind does. Shame he caved.

But you just said he expresses himself if he feels that his long term interests are best served by doing so.

Yes, and I said he 'caved' .. we don't know why, specifically, but clearly he did. What's your point?

That his "cave" serves his long term interests. So you really shouldn't think it's a shame, he's being a good capitalist by your own terms.

Maybe his job/position was threatened.


His job as owner of the company was threatened?

We all know you liberal pansies can't handle alternate viewpoints or have a rational discussion, despite your professions of openness and tolerance.

This sounds rational.

We don't really know why he caved - can only speculate.

Hmm? You know why, you said so already. " A good capitalist will express himself if he feels that his long term interests are best served by doing so." So very eloquent.

He certainly believes what he said originally.

You're calling this man a liar?
 
2013-01-18 02:37:48 PM

Labrat407: "I need a new word or phrase to describe the state of health care now because it is something that I, like all folks entrusted with the wellbeing of a team, grapple with daily in this era,"

Let's see, how about fair, equitable, universal, resonable, cost-effective? Health care should be a right of every citizen around the world, not just for the rich and well employed.


Only about one of those words applies to healthcare today.
 
2013-01-18 02:37:48 PM

Labrat407: "I need a new word or phrase to describe the state of health care now because it is something that I, like all folks entrusted with the wellbeing of a team, grapple with daily in this era,"

Let's see, how about fair, equitable, universal, resonable, cost-effective? Health care should be a right of every citizen around the world, not just for the rich and well employed.


So should be a good meal, a good job, the ability to communicate (telephone and internet service), to travel (cars, boats, airplanes). Where does it end? Who pays for it? You may want to take care of everyone, but I don't - and to force your beliefs on me is wrong.
 
2013-01-18 02:38:18 PM

Carn: nexxus: That his "cave" serves his long term interests. So you really shouldn't think it's a shame, he's being a good capitalist by your own terms.

Maybe his job/position was threatened. We all know you liberal pansies can't handle alternate viewpoints or have a rational discussion, despite your professions of openness and tolerance. We don't really know why he caved - can only speculate.

He certainly believes what he said originally.

Ad-hominem man, Ad-hominem man
Ad-hominem man meets Straw man
They don't fight
They are good friends
Ad-hominem man


Straw man, straw man
lives his life with his head in the sand
What's he like, he's very boring...
Straw man...
 
2013-01-18 02:38:20 PM

sigdiamond2000: ha-ha-guy: What a farking moron, a large portion of his customers shop there and pay higher prices for two reasons:

1. The food selection, especially meat and seafood.
2. The belief the workers aren't treated like subhuman serfs al al Walmart
(3. The high prices keep the riffraff out.)

I shop there because they have awesome food bars and prepared foods, and they are the only grocery store in the history of humankind who actually understands how to properly run an express checkout lane.

That last point alone is worth paying Whole Foods prices to me.

By the way, I've know some people who have worked at Whole Foods and it actually sounds like an awful place to work. Trader Joe's on the other hand is supposed to be a great place to work.


It certainly is for a retail job. They pay very well and offer damn good health insurance to part-time employees. Some of the cushier aspects have gone away due to cost-cutting, but it is a rather pleasurable place to work. Many of my co-workers are people working their way through grad school, or like me, college grads who need a second job to pay off loans, or are biding their time until they find a career. I've known some people who jumped-ship over to Whole Foods and made a nice go of it. They seem to like it there. I don't shop there because I can buy the same shiat for less where I work.

/end csb.
 
2013-01-18 02:38:30 PM

HotWingConspiracy: nexxus: HotWingConspiracy: nexxus: HotWingConspiracy: nexxus: A good capitalist will express himself if he feels that his long term interests are best served by doing so. In this case, he's right: 'your' wacko, liberal, bias toward government control (and yes, that *is* what it is..even if only 'partial' through 'a few' regulations - it *is* control) will eventually put him out of business or so far under the thumb of government that he might as well be out of business. Speaking out is the only rational thing to do and shows that he's a man of courage and integrity, unlike most of you liberal farkwits who blow whichever way the wind does. Shame he caved.

But you just said he expresses himself if he feels that his long term interests are best served by doing so.

Yes, and I said he 'caved' .. we don't know why, specifically, but clearly he did. What's your point?

That his "cave" serves his long term interests. So you really shouldn't think it's a shame, he's being a good capitalist by your own terms.

Maybe his job/position was threatened.

His job as owner of the company was threatened?

We all know you liberal pansies can't handle alternate viewpoints or have a rational discussion, despite your professions of openness and tolerance.

This sounds rational.

We don't really know why he caved - can only speculate.

Hmm? You know why, you said so already. " A good capitalist will express himself if he feels that his long term interests are best served by doing so." So very eloquent.

He certainly believes what he said originally.

You're calling this man a liar?


Stop being pedantic. It's not useful.
 
2013-01-18 02:38:48 PM

WhoopAssWayne: Do you really think the idiots who end up in government are going to take care of all your needs while you sit around doing nothing, waiting for your government dole?


What is this government dole you speak of, and when will it arrive?
 
2013-01-18 02:39:05 PM

WhoopAssWayne: Obamacare and stripping our gun rights are both pretty much Fascism 101. All power to the state, none to the individual. And for his supporters out there, do you really think you're going to benefit from this system? Do you really think the idiots who end up in government are going to take care of all your needs while you sit around doing nothing, waiting for your government dole? To bad you can't ask the government slaves in North Korea or China how that's working out for them. A life of forced military conscription or factory work in exchange for a starving, hopeless, spartan existence doesn't sound like much of a deal to me. Yet you idiots gleefully cheer Obama when he strips rights and freedoms.


You really, really should avail yourself of Obamacare and go get you some mental health help from an expert.
 
2013-01-18 02:39:17 PM
Competition forces business to improve and get better

ONLY if the consumer has perfect information... which they don't.
 
2013-01-18 02:39:39 PM
It's called "doing a ratner", or having the 'ratners touch' (opposite of 'the Midas touch')

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ratner%27s%20touch&def i d=4333012
 
2013-01-18 02:40:04 PM

xaratherus: "Mackey continued to argue that the new system ...will not be as effective as a system in which the government is less involved. "Competition forces business to improve and get better," Mackey said in an earlier Fox News interview, saying "bad regulations" are hurting."

Yes, because all that free market competition in insurance didn't get us to this point of failure in the first place, it's all because of those darn 'regulations'.

/I was in the hospital about two years ago and had a hospital water pitcher
//It was a bargain, and only showed up on my hospital bill as a $35 charge for my insurance company
//not part of the problem at all


and I'm sure your evil profit minded insurance company actually paid the $35? I highly doubt they did. You should call them and ask if they paid the full amount or told the hospital to eat a bowl of...anyway seriously learn how things work.

Also, the special protections insurance companies got by barring portability meant that each state only had a few insurance options. Lastly the mandates requiring certain coverages by all insurance providers has increased costs. I don't have a problem with chiropractic, accupuncture and the like per se but if elective proceedures and treatments have to be covered then the cost goes up. Having the option to buy insurance that only covers actual medical needs vs. boob jobs and facelifts means that coverage would likely be less per month. But states are mandating insurance companies keep adding to their list of required coverage. Pre-existing conditions was the best thing Obamacare adressed, portability and options to make it legal to have insurance that only covered neccesary medical vs. elective treatments.

If people really think Obamacare isn't already poised to be increasingly expensive all I can say is I hope you fianlly get to pet a unicorn in utopia.
 
2013-01-18 02:40:21 PM

odinsposse: Tree-huggers shop at locally owed co-ops but only to supplement the crops they grow in their basement with their pocket mulch.

Soccer moms shop at Whole Foods.



^^^THIS^^^
 
2013-01-18 02:40:32 PM

nexxus: Labrat407: "I need a new word or phrase to describe the state of health care now because it is something that I, like all folks entrusted with the wellbeing of a team, grapple with daily in this era,"

Let's see, how about fair, equitable, universal, resonable, cost-effective? Health care should be a right of every citizen around the world, not just for the rich and well employed.

So should be a good meal, a good job, the ability to communicate (telephone and internet service), to travel (cars, boats, airplanes). Where does it end? Who pays for it? You may want to take care of everyone, but I don't - and to force your beliefs on me is wrong.


I don't believe in paying for corporate welfare or bullshiat wars, yet I do it every day. So suck it up and deal with living in our Republic.
 
2013-01-18 02:40:36 PM

ghare: WhoopAssWayne: Obamacare and stripping our gun rights are both pretty much Fascism 101. All power to the state, none to the individual. And for his supporters out there, do you really think you're going to benefit from this system? Do you really think the idiots who end up in government are going to take care of all your needs while you sit around doing nothing, waiting for your government dole? To bad you can't ask the government slaves in North Korea or China how that's working out for them. A life of forced military conscription or factory work in exchange for a starving, hopeless, spartan existence doesn't sound like much of a deal to me. Yet you idiots gleefully cheer Obama when he strips rights and freedoms.

You really, really should avail yourself of Obamacare and go get you some mental health help from an expert.


I'm sure you'll agree that at least *one* of you needs help.

Have you considered that maybe it's you?
 
2013-01-18 02:42:16 PM

ghare: nexxus: Labrat407: "I need a new word or phrase to describe the state of health care now because it is something that I, like all folks entrusted with the wellbeing of a team, grapple with daily in this era,"

Let's see, how about fair, equitable, universal, resonable, cost-effective? Health care should be a right of every citizen around the world, not just for the rich and well employed.

So should be a good meal, a good job, the ability to communicate (telephone and internet service), to travel (cars, boats, airplanes). Where does it end? Who pays for it? You may want to take care of everyone, but I don't - and to force your beliefs on me is wrong.

I don't believe in paying for corporate welfare or bullshiat wars, yet I do it every day. So suck it up and deal with living in our Republic.


Well, on that we agree.. we shouldn't be paying 'corporate welfare' or bullshiat wars.

Let's start cleaning things up there and see how we come out before we start forcing more people to do more things at gunpoint. Yes, that really *is* what it is.
 
2013-01-18 02:42:41 PM

nexxus: ghare: WhoopAssWayne: Obamacare and stripping our gun rights are both pretty much Fascism 101. All power to the state, none to the individual. And for his supporters out there, do you really think you're going to benefit from this system? Do you really think the idiots who end up in government are going to take care of all your needs while you sit around doing nothing, waiting for your government dole? To bad you can't ask the government slaves in North Korea or China how that's working out for them. A life of forced military conscription or factory work in exchange for a starving, hopeless, spartan existence doesn't sound like much of a deal to me. Yet you idiots gleefully cheer Obama when he strips rights and freedoms.

You really, really should avail yourself of Obamacare and go get you some mental health help from an expert.

I'm sure you'll agree that at least *one* of you needs help.

Have you considered that maybe it's you?


Yes, but I went, and they said "no."

You try it. I bet you get hauled away and institutionalized, because you are currently hallucinating.
 
2013-01-18 02:42:46 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: "who USED to shop at his store".

Used to.

That's the only reason he cam out with a comment. Otherwise, he would be in the backroom having money fights with Smithers.


Cam out like a worn Phillips.
 
2013-01-18 02:43:00 PM

GT_bike: It was same interview a few minutes later he says the word may not be totally accurate but let's not let facts get in the way of good fodder for fuax outrage at a successful businessman who employes 1000's. Drive him out of buiness, those workers and consumers shouldn't have to work for a man who believes something other than Obamacare is the Holy Grail of healthcare gaps.


So I see you are a prime candidate to be a beaten spouse.
 
2013-01-18 02:44:07 PM

stonicus: Competition forces business to improve and get better

ONLY if the consumer has perfect information... which they don't.


Wrong - reasonably good information works, too.
 
2013-01-18 02:44:24 PM

ghare: nexxus: ghare: WhoopAssWayne: Obamacare and stripping our gun rights are both pretty much Fascism 101. All power to the state, none to the individual. And for his supporters out there, do you really think you're going to benefit from this system? Do you really think the idiots who end up in government are going to take care of all your needs while you sit around doing nothing, waiting for your government dole? To bad you can't ask the government slaves in North Korea or China how that's working out for them. A life of forced military conscription or factory work in exchange for a starving, hopeless, spartan existence doesn't sound like much of a deal to me. Yet you idiots gleefully cheer Obama when he strips rights and freedoms.

You really, really should avail yourself of Obamacare and go get you some mental health help from an expert.

I'm sure you'll agree that at least *one* of you needs help.

Have you considered that maybe it's you?

Yes, but I went, and they said "no."

You try it. I bet you get hauled away and institutionalized, because you are currently hallucinating.


That's fairly aggressive. I'm sorry you're so threatened by differing points of view. Scary, actually.
 
2013-01-18 02:44:52 PM
How is "Obamacare" fascism?

Somebody needs to get the morons who say stuff like that a goddamn dictionary
 
2013-01-18 02:44:57 PM

Labrat407: "I need a new word or phrase to describe the state of health care now because it is something that I, like all folks entrusted with the wellbeing of a team, grapple with daily in this era,"

Let's see, how about fair, equitable, universal, resonable, cost-effective? Health care should be a right of every citizen around the world, not just for the rich and well employed.


Lots of things are rights - that doesn't mean you don't have to pay for them. Food is a right, but you've still got to buy it.
 
2013-01-18 02:45:13 PM
Hewlett-Packard is one of the greatest countries ever created in America.

-Whole Foods CEO John Mackey
 
2013-01-18 02:46:02 PM

JasonThomasX: How is "Obamacare" fascism?

Somebody needs to get the morons who say stuff like that a goddamn dictionary


You're so smart. I bet you read the articles and what he said, even.
 
2013-01-18 02:46:09 PM

nexxus: ghare: nexxus: Labrat407: "I need a new word or phrase to describe the state of health care now because it is something that I, like all folks entrusted with the wellbeing of a team, grapple with daily in this era,"

Let's see, how about fair, equitable, universal, resonable, cost-effective? Health care should be a right of every citizen around the world, not just for the rich and well employed.

So should be a good meal, a good job, the ability to communicate (telephone and internet service), to travel (cars, boats, airplanes). Where does it end? Who pays for it? You may want to take care of everyone, but I don't - and to force your beliefs on me is wrong.

I don't believe in paying for corporate welfare or bullshiat wars, yet I do it every day. So suck it up and deal with living in our Republic.

Well, on that we agree.. we shouldn't be paying 'corporate welfare' or bullshiat wars.

Let's start cleaning things up there and see how we come out before we start forcing more people to do more things at gunpoint. Yes, that really *is* what it is.


All laws are that. And frankly, sir, I am fine with forcing you to contribute to providing for the health of your fellow citizens, because it appears you're a person who wants all the benefits of living in a civilized society without having to pay for any of it. In other words, a sociopath.
 
2013-01-18 02:46:30 PM

Krieghund: odinsposse: Tree-huggers shop at locally owed co-ops but only to supplement the crops they grow in their basement with their pocket mulch.

Soccer moms shop at Whole Foods.

They're yoga moms, not soccer moms, and while they tend to be biatchy, they definately have...assets.


Heh. I'm pretty sure hot milfs in yoga pants are why most men don't mind going grocery shopping at whole foods.
 
2013-01-18 02:47:00 PM
Freedom not only isn't free, my American friends, but the cost is about three years of life when viewed from this side of the border.

http://www.conferenceboard.ca/hcp/details/health/life-expectancy.aspx

I think your tornado deaths are pretty balanced by our "infarction while snow shovelling" deaths.
 
2013-01-18 02:47:47 PM

nexxus: ghare: nexxus: ghare: WhoopAssWayne: Obamacare and stripping our gun rights are both pretty much Fascism 101. All power to the state, none to the individual. And for his supporters out there, do you really think you're going to benefit from this system? Do you really think the idiots who end up in government are going to take care of all your needs while you sit around doing nothing, waiting for your government dole? To bad you can't ask the government slaves in North Korea or China how that's working out for them. A life of forced military conscription or factory work in exchange for a starving, hopeless, spartan existence doesn't sound like much of a deal to me. Yet you idiots gleefully cheer Obama when he strips rights and freedoms.

You really, really should avail yourself of Obamacare and go get you some mental health help from an expert.

I'm sure you'll agree that at least *one* of you needs help.

Have you considered that maybe it's you?

Yes, but I went, and they said "no."

You try it. I bet you get hauled away and institutionalized, because you are currently hallucinating.

That's fairly aggressive. I'm sorry you're so threatened by differing points of view. Scary, actually.


Insanity and lies are not "a different point of view."
 
2013-01-18 02:47:58 PM

nexxus: ghare: nexxus: ghare: WhoopAssWayne: Obamacare and stripping our gun rights are both pretty much Fascism 101. All power to the state, none to the individual. And for his supporters out there, do you really think you're going to benefit from this system? Do you really think the idiots who end up in government are going to take care of all your needs while you sit around doing nothing, waiting for your government dole? To bad you can't ask the government slaves in North Korea or China how that's working out for them. A life of forced military conscription or factory work in exchange for a starving, hopeless, spartan existence doesn't sound like much of a deal to me. Yet you idiots gleefully cheer Obama when he strips rights and freedoms.

You really, really should avail yourself of Obamacare and go get you some mental health help from an expert.

I'm sure you'll agree that at least *one* of you needs help.

Have you considered that maybe it's you?

Yes, but I went, and they said "no."

You try it. I bet you get hauled away and institutionalized, because you are currently hallucinating.

That's fairly aggressive. I'm sorry you're so threatened by differing points of view. Scary, actually.


What, you can dish it out but can't take it? You've threadshiat all over the place with strawmen and direct ad-hominem attacks to myself and others in the thread. You don't even have the intelligence to be amused at the unintentional irony of your plea for rational discussion. Unless you're just trolling, which is always a possibility here.
 
2013-01-18 02:49:01 PM

ghare: nexxus: ghare: nexxus: Labrat407: "I need a new word or phrase to describe the state of health care now because it is something that I, like all folks entrusted with the wellbeing of a team, grapple with daily in this era,"

Let's see, how about fair, equitable, universal, resonable, cost-effective? Health care should be a right of every citizen around the world, not just for the rich and well employed.

So should be a good meal, a good job, the ability to communicate (telephone and internet service), to travel (cars, boats, airplanes). Where does it end? Who pays for it? You may want to take care of everyone, but I don't - and to force your beliefs on me is wrong.

I don't believe in paying for corporate welfare or bullshiat wars, yet I do it every day. So suck it up and deal with living in our Republic.

Well, on that we agree.. we shouldn't be paying 'corporate welfare' or bullshiat wars.

Let's start cleaning things up there and see how we come out before we start forcing more people to do more things at gunpoint. Yes, that really *is* what it is.

All laws are that. And frankly, sir, I am fine with forcing you to contribute to providing for the health of your fellow citizens, because it appears you're a person who wants all the benefits of living in a civilized society without having to pay for any of it. In other words, a sociopath.


You have no idea who I am or what I believe, other than I feel it's inappropriate to force anyone to do anything. I'm all for punishing those that directly harm others, but I would never..could never.. hold a gun on you and tell you to give me your money, which is what you're advocating.
 
2013-01-18 02:49:12 PM
'Back in 75 I would have said I admired musicians, The Beatles, etc... I was young, I had a much more superficial view of the world back then.'

-Whole Foods CEO John Mackey
 
2013-01-18 02:50:32 PM
Good! I'm tired of going to Whole Foods and having to weave my way through the mass of shopping karts these liberals manage to leave right in the middle of an aisle, while they wander off to sort through the organic bean sprouts.

I love playing shopping kart demolition derby at Whole Foods!
 
2013-01-18 02:50:58 PM

Carn: nexxus: ghare: nexxus: ghare: WhoopAssWayne: Obamacare and stripping our gun rights are both pretty much Fascism 101. All power to the state, none to the individual. And for his supporters out there, do you really think you're going to benefit from this system? Do you really think the idiots who end up in government are going to take care of all your needs while you sit around doing nothing, waiting for your government dole? To bad you can't ask the government slaves in North Korea or China how that's working out for them. A life of forced military conscription or factory work in exchange for a starving, hopeless, spartan existence doesn't sound like much of a deal to me. Yet you idiots gleefully cheer Obama when he strips rights and freedoms.

You really, really should avail yourself of Obamacare and go get you some mental health help from an expert.

I'm sure you'll agree that at least *one* of you needs help.

Have you considered that maybe it's you?

Yes, but I went, and they said "no."

You try it. I bet you get hauled away and institutionalized, because you are currently hallucinating.

That's fairly aggressive. I'm sorry you're so threatened by differing points of view. Scary, actually.

What, you can dish it out but can't take it? You've threadshiat all over the place with strawmen and direct ad-hominem attacks to myself and others in the thread. You don't even have the intelligence to be amused at the unintentional irony of your plea for rational discussion. Unless you're just trolling, which is always a possibility here.


60/40 troll/serious.

I do believe it's wrong to force people to do anything.. including give up their money .. at gun point, however.
 
2013-01-18 02:51:54 PM

Guuberre: Well, bless his heart. This tree-hugging liberal shops at Trader Joe's, so he can bite my butt anyway.


Ditto for this tree-hugging liberal who has also long since forsaken Whole Paycheck for the greener pastures of Sprouts (though we're getting a Trader Joe's in this area soon!)
 
2013-01-18 02:52:21 PM

ghare: nexxus: ghare: nexxus: ghare: WhoopAssWayne: Obamacare and stripping our gun rights are both pretty much Fascism 101. All power to the state, none to the individual. And for his supporters out there, do you really think you're going to benefit from this system? Do you really think the idiots who end up in government are going to take care of all your needs while you sit around doing nothing, waiting for your government dole? To bad you can't ask the government slaves in North Korea or China how that's working out for them. A life of forced military conscription or factory work in exchange for a starving, hopeless, spartan existence doesn't sound like much of a deal to me. Yet you idiots gleefully cheer Obama when he strips rights and freedoms.

You really, really should avail yourself of Obamacare and go get you some mental health help from an expert.

I'm sure you'll agree that at least *one* of you needs help.

Have you considered that maybe it's you?

Yes, but I went, and they said "no."

You try it. I bet you get hauled away and institutionalized, because you are currently hallucinating.

That's fairly aggressive. I'm sorry you're so threatened by differing points of view. Scary, actually.

Insanity and lies are not "a different point of view."


That you consider alternate viewpoints 'insanity and lies' is fairly telling.
 
2013-01-18 02:53:48 PM
The only people who seem to know, and/or care that more taxes and regulations and rules are hurting businesses are people who either own businesses, or work and don't suck off the taxpayers teat.
 
2013-01-18 02:53:53 PM
Last time this was in the new, teabaggers/freepers/etc were vowing online to do ALL their shopping at Whole Foods.

Imagine their reaction when they walked in and found no Bacon 'n' Cheese Chicken Nuggets with Dippin' Sauce.

lol conservatives lol
 
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