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(Fox News)   Whole Foods CEO John Mackey would like all of the tree-hugging liberals who shop at his stores to know that he wasn't being serious when he used the word "fascism" to describe Obamacare   (foxnews.com) divider line 332
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2013-01-18 02:08:06 PM  
If you actually listened to him on the radio talk about this, he was very serious about it. This guy has gone full retard. Owners and CEOs really need to get the hint that involving politics with your business is almost always going to cause you a net loss of customers. In any case, this guy went full retard, and ensured that I will never shop at a Whole Foods again.
 
2013-01-18 02:08:10 PM  
"who USED to shop at his store".

Used to.

That's the only reason he cam out with a comment. Otherwise, he would be in the backroom having money fights with Smithers.
 
2013-01-18 02:08:11 PM  
It is closer to fascism than socialism, yet he backpedals. And I thought we were making progress.
 
2013-01-18 02:08:43 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: JohnnyC: Yeah... backpedal all you want, John Mackey. Perhaps in the future you will refrain from expressing your ridiculous opinions in public. I don't believe for a second that he didn't mean it. Bottom line is... he doesn't want to provide healthcare to his employees and thus may eat a bowl of dicks.

He does provide healthcare for him employees.

But don't let facts taint a good thrashing post.


I said, "Want"... and 70 to 75 percent of them do. Fark the other 25-30%, eh?
 
2013-01-18 02:08:50 PM  

Rapmaster2000: [farm8.staticflickr.com image 640x426]

This is how Mommy parks when taking Parker and Emma to pick up Annie's Organic Mac and Cheese.

Typical lib.  Right next to the lib with the Jesus fish.


Naw, they'd back in and park so they can exit out of their sliding door, but the car with the swing door has to go in the passanger's side.
 
2013-01-18 02:09:29 PM  
"Mackey continued to argue that the new system ...will not be as effective as a system in which the government is less involved. "Competition forces business to improve and get better," Mackey said in an earlier Fox News interview, saying "bad regulations" are hurting."

Yes, because all that free market competition in insurance didn't get us to this point of failure in the first place, it's all because of those darn 'regulations'.

/I was in the hospital about two years ago and had a hospital water pitcher
//It was a bargain, and only showed up on my hospital bill as a $35 charge for my insurance company
//not part of the problem at all
 
2013-01-18 02:09:50 PM  

LesterB: Guuberre: Well, bless his heart. This tree-hugging liberal shops at Trader Joe's, so he can bite my butt anyway.

Ah-yup. Plus I can't afford Whole Foods anyway.


and have you had those Trader Joe's fried macaroni and cheese ball appetizers? Keep the defib handy but damn they're good.
 
2013-01-18 02:10:32 PM  
I keep thinking about WFs fried chicken... mmmMmmmm....
 
2013-01-18 02:11:02 PM  

Guuberre: Well, bless his heart. This tree-hugging liberal shops at Trader Joe's, so he can bite my butt anyway.


This tree-hugging liberal shops at Kroger, Target and Wal-Mart, because there isn't a Trader Joe's anywhere near me, and Whole Foods is always full of hipsters, and I can't stand hipsters. The prices suck balls too.

Also, this tree-hugging liberal only has so much money to make it through a week.

We choose our battles - where to buy food isn't one I'm willing to fight.
 
2013-01-18 02:11:24 PM  

Uncle Bester: Don't care, don't shop there, never will.

Business owners that wear their derpitude on their sleeves don't get my patronage.


So as a hipster you never shopped there because his derpitude was so evident that you were boycotting him before it was even in the news?

How have so many people gotten to the point that leads them to believe the purpose of a business isn't to provide a product or service to consumers but to provide jobs and healthcare to employees?

Farking Hipster Buggy Whip factories closing to avoid Obamacare!
 
2013-01-18 02:11:29 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

Universal health care is bad mm'kay?
 
2013-01-18 02:11:52 PM  
I liked the "Should the debt ceiling be raised?" poll off to the side. Shockingly enough, ~93% of Fox News readers either do not want the ceiling raised under any circumstances, or only raised as part of a broader deal on spending cuts. We all know that FN viewers are the best infromed, so I guess maybe we really shouldn't honor our financial obligations.
 
2013-01-18 02:12:01 PM  
If I truly had to vote my conscience with my wallet, I'd probably starve to death while naked and shelterless.

If I were a stockholder, I'd insist that folks like this or Papa John's chairman would just shut the hell up.
 
2013-01-18 02:12:17 PM  
well, we have several factors that match with fascism
but we have destroyed any national identity
heck, even declaring a national language is met with calls of racism and zenophobia

I understand that it's frustrating for a business to be forced to pay for,
by government decree
 something that already exists/the employee should be paying for themselves
if they want the better stuff.

but it ain't fascist as far as I am able to understand the word
 
2013-01-18 02:12:19 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: sigdiamond2000: Is "everyone who shops at Whole Foods is a liberal" the new "everyone who has a hobby is a hipster?"

Oddly, it was "conservatives" pushing that narrative. Because no real conservative would eat healthy food or something. I'm not sure.


I believe it's related to the idea that healthy eating is a pussy thing, and all pussies are liberals.

Real men eat shiat food. You've probably seen that meme around here.
 
2013-01-18 02:12:21 PM  

The Angry Hand of God: If you actually listened to him on the radio talk about this, he was very serious about it. This guy has gone full retard. Owners and CEOs really need to get the hint that involving politics with your business is almost always going to cause you a net loss of customers. In any case, this guy went full retard, and ensured that I will never shop at a Whole Foods again.


He's a libertarian, so I sure he is OK with the customer net loss/gain his company sees from his statements.
 
2013-01-18 02:12:55 PM  
I thought Obamacare was corporatism flavored with socialism covered in a creamy progressive(r) reduction.

Have I been shopping at the wrong overpriced ideology market?
 
2013-01-18 02:13:07 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Is "everyone who shops at Whole Foods is a liberal" the new "everyone who has a hobby is a hipster?"


I think it's the new "atheism is a religion."
 
2013-01-18 02:13:48 PM  

GT_bike: How have so many people gotten to the point that leads them to believe the purpose of a business isn't to provide a product or service to consumers but to provide jobs and healthcare to employees?


The same way so many people have gotten to the point they believe that the purpose of a business isn't to provide a product or service to consumers, but to line the pockets of the upper management and provide golden parachutes when they run the companies into the ground.
 
2013-01-18 02:14:19 PM  
Let me see if I have this correct: CEO's cut employees hours so they cannot get insurance and the employees don't make enough money ro buy it on their own. CEO's dont want to pay more in taxes that would cover everyone to have health care. The CEO's have excellent health care.
 
2013-01-18 02:14:33 PM  

Guuberre: Well, bless his heart. This tree-hugging liberal shops at Trader Joe's, so he can bite my butt anyway.


I'm not a tree-hugging liberal or a complete sucker who will buy food at exorbitant prices just because some marketing director slapped a sticker on the package saying "All Natural!" or "Organic", so I don't care either way.
 
2013-01-18 02:14:33 PM  
He argued that in fascism, "the government doesn't own the means of production but they do control it,"

So I'm sure he refuses to sell anything made in that fascist state called the People's Republic of China. I mean, he hates fascists so much.

/maybe it's just the black fascists he hates so much. not so much the yellow ones.
 
2013-01-18 02:15:06 PM  

Rapmaster2000: HotWingConspiracy: sigdiamond2000: Is "everyone who shops at Whole Foods is a liberal" the new "everyone who has a hobby is a hipster?"

Oddly, it was "conservatives" pushing that narrative. Because no real conservative would eat healthy food or something. I'm not sure.

I believe it's related to the idea that healthy eating is a pussy thing, and all pussies are liberals.

Real men eat shiat food. You've probably seen that meme around here.


Put down that quinoa and arugula salad and eat a double bacon cheeseburger for God's sake, you farking pussy.
 
2013-01-18 02:15:07 PM  

azmoviez: If I truly had to vote my conscience with my wallet, I'd probably starve to death while naked and shelterless.

If I were a stockholder, I'd insist that folks like this or Papa John's chairman would just shut the hell up.


you can probably shop at Whole Foods with a clear conscience. Despite Mackey's ridiculous hyperbole, they treat their workers pretty well
 
2013-01-18 02:15:27 PM  
Thanks Obama!
 
2013-01-18 02:15:34 PM  
"This is what Switzerland does and I think we would be much better off copying that system than where we are currently headed in the United States," he said. '

What the fark?

Healthcare in Switzerland
Healthcare in Switzerland is universal[1] and is regulated by the Federal Health Insurance Act of 1994 (Krankenversicherungsgesetz - KVG). Health insurance is compulsory for all persons residing in Switzerland (within three months of taking up residence or being born in the country). International civil servants, members of permanent missions and their family members are exempted from compulsory health insurance. They can, however, apply to join the Swiss health insurance system, within six months of taking up residence in the country.

...

Swiss are required to purchase basic health insurance, which covers a range of treatments detailed in the Federal Act. It is therefore the same throughout the country and avoids double standards in healthcare. Insurers are required to offer this basic insurance to everyone, regardless of age or medical condition. They are not allowed to make a profit off this basic insurance, but can on supplemental plans.[1]


He has no farking idea what he is talking about. It's basically Obamacare but Obamacare allows them to make a profit.
 
2013-01-18 02:16:14 PM  

Rapmaster2000: HotWingConspiracy: sigdiamond2000: Is "everyone who shops at Whole Foods is a liberal" the new "everyone who has a hobby is a hipster?"

Oddly, it was "conservatives" pushing that narrative. Because no real conservative would eat healthy food or something. I'm not sure.

I believe it's related to the idea that healthy eating is a pussy thing, and all pussies are liberals.

Real men eat shiat food. You've probably seen that meme around here.


IN YER FACE MOOCHELLE
 
2013-01-18 02:16:16 PM  
Mackey's problem wasn't that he used the word 'fascism' or 'socialism' - its that he quoted Thatcher.
 
2013-01-18 02:16:41 PM  
Whole Foods is good for gluten free products which my kids need but god is it expensive.
 
2013-01-18 02:16:57 PM  

Rihlsul: It's interesting, too, because reading the whole quote, he's not wrong that it's a fascist policy,


You know what are also common policies/attributes of fascism?  Patriotism and exceptionalism.

You know all those people with flag pins on their lapels saying that America is the greatest?  Yup, all fascists.
 
2013-01-18 02:17:16 PM  

Carn: fuhfuhfuh: You would think that all of these stalwarts of capitalism would have learned by now that your personal views can have a negative impact on your bottom line if said views are derogatory to large portions of your customer base.

Kind of amusing that they all have to be reminded the hard way that they are not the only game in town, and that their services, while convenient, aren't exactly required.

It doesn't matter how large of your customer base it is. A good capitalist wouldn't say anything that could lose him even one customer. You might lose a customer or two across all stores, or more likely, you've probably got some stores in more liberal areas which will be much harder hit than others, possibly leading to layoffs or in extreme cases, store closures. Any way you slice it this proves his man isn't capable of leading a company and should be fired immediately.


A good capitalist will express himself if he feels that his long term interests are best served by doing so. In this case, he's right: 'your' wacko, liberal, bias toward government control (and yes, that *is* what it is..even if only 'partial' through 'a few' regulations - it *is* control) will eventually put him out of business or so far under the thumb of government that he might as well be out of business. Speaking out is the only rational thing to do and shows that he's a man of courage and integrity, unlike most of you liberal farkwits who blow whichever way the wind does. Shame he caved.

You clearly have no idea what capitalism is, or what you're doing to the world. God help us all.
 
2013-01-18 02:17:30 PM  

Corvus: He has no farking idea what he is talking about. It's basically Obamacare but Obamacare allows them to make a profit.


He's a passionate defender of what he believes Swiss health care to be.
 
2013-01-18 02:18:41 PM  

GT_bike:

How have so many people gotten to the point that leads them to believe the purpose of a business isn't to provide a product or service to consumers but to provide jobs and healthcare to employees


People also believe that businesses shouldn't use child labor in third-world countries. While both things are legal, it's considered good marketing to do neither. Good marketing drives sales. You'd be a fool to discount it as a shareholder of a firm selling consumer discretionary items on the slim margins of the grocery business.

Though, if you create childishly simplistic dichotomies as a way of "arguing", then you probably already are a fool.
 
2013-01-18 02:18:58 PM  

Corvus: "This is what Switzerland does and I think we would be much better off copying that system than where we are currently headed in the United States," he said. '

What the fark?


*not intended to be a factual statement

Idiots like this guy just randomly pick a country name and cite it, usually because they forget there's a thing called the internet that people can use to fact check them. Also because no reporter has the balls to challenge them and prove them wrong. Might hurt their feelings or something.
 
2013-01-18 02:19:47 PM  

nexxus: A good capitalist will express himself if he feels that his long term interests are best served by doing so. In this case, he's right: 'your' wacko, liberal, bias toward government control (and yes, that *is* what it is..even if only 'partial' through 'a few' regulations - it *is* control) will eventually put him out of business or so far under the thumb of government that he might as well be out of business. Speaking out is the only rational thing to do and shows that he's a man of courage and integrity, unlike most of you liberal farkwits who blow whichever way the wind does. Shame he caved.


But you just said he expresses himself if he feels that his long term interests are best served by doing so.
 
2013-01-18 02:21:29 PM  

Ivandrago: My local Whole Foods stopped selling bulk semolina so they can suck it.


Time to go home. I read "semolina" as "sensimilla". Guess how I'm going to be enjoying the final episode of Fringe tonight.
 
2013-01-18 02:21:43 PM  
He did this before and I stopped shopping at WF. I discovered the local farmers' markets and have not gone back. I am fortunate to be in an area where the farmers' markets are absolutely amazing. The only things I can't get there are things I can get at the family owned Mexican grocery near my house (toothpaste, T.P., milk)
 
2013-01-18 02:22:42 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: nexxus: A good capitalist will express himself if he feels that his long term interests are best served by doing so. In this case, he's right: 'your' wacko, liberal, bias toward government control (and yes, that *is* what it is..even if only 'partial' through 'a few' regulations - it *is* control) will eventually put him out of business or so far under the thumb of government that he might as well be out of business. Speaking out is the only rational thing to do and shows that he's a man of courage and integrity, unlike most of you liberal farkwits who blow whichever way the wind does. Shame he caved.

But you just said he expresses himself if he feels that his long term interests are best served by doing so.


Yes, and I said he 'caved' .. we don't know why, specifically, but clearly he did. What's your point?
 
2013-01-18 02:23:52 PM  

nexxus: HotWingConspiracy: nexxus: A good capitalist will express himself if he feels that his long term interests are best served by doing so. In this case, he's right: 'your' wacko, liberal, bias toward government control (and yes, that *is* what it is..even if only 'partial' through 'a few' regulations - it *is* control) will eventually put him out of business or so far under the thumb of government that he might as well be out of business. Speaking out is the only rational thing to do and shows that he's a man of courage and integrity, unlike most of you liberal farkwits who blow whichever way the wind does. Shame he caved.

But you just said he expresses himself if he feels that his long term interests are best served by doing so.

Yes, and I said he 'caved' .. we don't know why, specifically, but clearly he did. What's your point?


The point is highlighted.
 
2013-01-18 02:24:04 PM  
It's called Romney speak...

Here's an example:
Today in person: "Hey man, go fark your mother!!!"
Tomorrow on Facebook: "What I meant to say is your mom is an attractive woman."

Today in person: "I hate black people!"
Tomorrow on Facebook: "I meant to say hate arsonists who are covered in black soot."

Today in person: "I like to rape little boys!"
Tomorrow on Facebook: "I meant to say I like to rape little girls; I am not gay. Not that there is anything wrong with that!"
 
2013-01-18 02:24:18 PM  
The fascists had a functioning national care system that provided damned good treatment to everyone they weren't exterminating.

Obamacare is a number of reasonable regulatory tweeks and a forcible wealth extraction organ serving the insurance industry.

They aren't the same.
 
2013-01-18 02:24:22 PM  

nexxus: HotWingConspiracy: nexxus: A good capitalist will express himself if he feels that his long term interests are best served by doing so. In this case, he's right: 'your' wacko, liberal, bias toward government control (and yes, that *is* what it is..even if only 'partial' through 'a few' regulations - it *is* control) will eventually put him out of business or so far under the thumb of government that he might as well be out of business. Speaking out is the only rational thing to do and shows that he's a man of courage and integrity, unlike most of you liberal farkwits who blow whichever way the wind does. Shame he caved.

But you just said he expresses himself if he feels that his long term interests are best served by doing so.

Yes, and I said he 'caved' .. we don't know why, specifically, but clearly he did. What's your point?


That his "cave" serves his long term interests. So you really shouldn't think it's a shame, he's being a good capitalist by your own terms.
 
2013-01-18 02:25:53 PM  

Rapmaster2000: nexxus: HotWingConspiracy: nexxus: A good capitalist will express himself if he feels that his long term interests are best served by doing so. In this case, he's right: 'your' wacko, liberal, bias toward government control (and yes, that *is* what it is..even if only 'partial' through 'a few' regulations - it *is* control) will eventually put him out of business or so far under the thumb of government that he might as well be out of business. Speaking out is the only rational thing to do and shows that he's a man of courage and integrity, unlike most of you liberal farkwits who blow whichever way the wind does. Shame he caved.

But you just said he expresses himself if he feels that his long term interests are best served by doing so.

Yes, and I said he 'caved' .. we don't know why, specifically, but clearly he did. What's your point?

The point is highlighted.


As I said, we don't know why he caved, specifically. I'm sure you can think of a few reasons. Political backlash? Who knows.
 
2013-01-18 02:26:04 PM  
He argued that in fascism, "the government doesn't own the means of production but they do control it,"


Since the experts can't agree what fascist economics is, I would suggest that this guy is completely off-base. Any political system that can:

1. Nationalize any industry or business
2. Threaten to nationalize any industry or business unless it bends to the will of the state
3. Install board members and officers in otherwise privately-held businesses

pretty much controls the means of production.

In short, it's my opinion this guy is an idiot who is trying to save his business from a strong public reaction to his previous idiotic statement.

YMMV.
 
2013-01-18 02:26:17 PM  

nexxus: A good capitalist will express himself if he feels that his long term interests are best served by doing so. In this case, he's right: 'your' wacko, liberal, bias toward government control (and yes, that *is* what it is..even if only 'partial' through 'a few' regulations - it *is* control) will eventually put him out of business or so far under the thumb of government that he might as well be out of business. Speaking out is the only rational thing to do and shows that he's a man of courage and integrity, unlike most of you liberal farkwits who blow whichever way the wind does. Shame he caved.

You clearly have no idea what capitalism is, or what you're doing to the world. God help us all.


Straw man, straw man
Serving up derp as only a straw man can
Making false claims, killing them good
Straw man
 
2013-01-18 02:26:30 PM  

odinsposse: Tree-huggers shop at locally owed co-ops but only to supplement the crops they grow in their basement with their pocket mulch.

Soccer moms shop at Whole Foods.


They're yoga moms, not soccer moms, and while they tend to be biatchy, they definately have...assets.
 
2013-01-18 02:26:49 PM  
Right.

Whole Foods employees don't have health care, meaning the guy making the sandwiches may have a nasty infection, but no medical insurance to get coverage or sick days to stay home and get better.

It's good to know what stores to avoid for my own health.

Want the Flu? Go to Whole Foods!
 
2013-01-18 02:27:23 PM  

JohnnyC: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: JohnnyC: Yeah... backpedal all you want, John Mackey. Perhaps in the future you will refrain from expressing your ridiculous opinions in public. I don't believe for a second that he didn't mean it. Bottom line is... he doesn't want to provide healthcare to his employees and thus may eat a bowl of dicks.

He does provide healthcare for him employees.

But don't let facts taint a good thrashing post.

I said, "Want"... and 70 to 75 percent of them do. Fark the other 25-30%, eh?


Moron. His company provided healthcare before Obamacare was even passed.
Your response makes absolutely no sense, and is based solely upon your impulsive distaste for someone that does not hold the same political beliefs as yourself.
So, you know the drill. Go eat a bowl of dicks.
 
2013-01-18 02:27:54 PM  

Corvus: He has no farking idea what he is talking about. It's basically Obamacare but Obamacare allhttp://www.fark.com/entertainment/ows them to make a profit.


I...uh...hmm...maybe he's a gun nut too and has a blind hard-on for the Swiss already without knowing anything else about their country.
 
2013-01-18 02:28:09 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: sigdiamond2000: Is "everyone who shops at Whole Foods is a liberal" the new "everyone who has a hobby is a hipster?"

Oddly, it was "conservatives" pushing that narrative. Because no real conservative would eat healthy food or something. I'm not sure.


I think it's residual animosity towards "green" technology/products and other progressive things that Fox has told them to hate. The "organic movement" is liberal territory for most people. Sure, rural farmers are the originals, but who farms these days? It's those liberal elitists that say Wal-Mart isn't good enough for them.

The conservatives shopping at Whole Foods are a different group from the people railing against green energy, mainly that one group profits from the other group fighting their wars for them. (actual and metaphorical)
 
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