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2013-01-18 03:48:49 PM  

meat0918: WhyKnot: Gun control laws that I don't think people would argue with:
• background checks
• safety certificate in associate with classification of weapon you are purchasing (similar to what is required when getting a hunting license)

Sounds good to me.

Question though.

How does the current law handle hand me downs?


Don't know how current law handles it.

With respect to proposed legislation...maybe ownership would require the safety certificate, thus if you are found to be in possession of a weapon and you are safety certified, you can be fined and your weapon impounded until you pass the required safety course.

Maybe certain crimes can result in your certificate being revoked and/or suspended...violent offenses/diminished capacity (drunk in public/DUI, etc)

Maybe certain medical issues could result in your certificate ring revoked...certain prescriptions/institutional commitment, etc.
 
2013-01-18 03:51:09 PM  

meat0918: Question though.

How does the current law handle hand me downs?


Same as private sales, no record other than when it was originally bought.

Have a couple from my dad with the original sales receipts(from Ohsmans!) in the boxes.  Have more from him that he bought off of friends/acquaintances that have passed through god knows how many hands, the oldest is from 1920's, the newest is from the 1980's.
 
2013-01-18 03:52:25 PM  

WhyKnot: meat0918: WhyKnot: Gun control laws that I don't think people would argue with:
• background checks
• safety certificate in associate with classification of weapon you are purchasing (similar to what is required when getting a hunting license)

Sounds good to me.

Question though.

How does the current law handle hand me downs?

Don't know how current law handles it.

With respect to proposed legislation...maybe ownership would require the safety certificate, thus if you are found to be in possession of a weapon and you are safety certified, you can be fined and your weapon impounded until you pass the required safety course.

Maybe certain crimes can result in your certificate being revoked and/or suspended...violent offenses/diminished capacity (drunk in public/DUI, etc)

Maybe certain medical issues could result in your certificate ring revoked...certain prescriptions/institutional commitment, etc.


One of the questions you are asked here in VA (can't remember if it is the Federal or State application) is if you are addicted to Alcohol or Drugs, or if you have any violent offenses. Or if you have been deemed mentally unstable.

So your "suggestions" are already in effect.
 
2013-01-18 03:52:55 PM  

Kanemano: Half way home and my pager still blowing up

[abcnews.go.com image 478x269]

And I didn't even have to use my AK, Today was a good day.
FTFM


oh great...now you got me wondering if his dick goes deep, so deep, puts her ass to sleep.

thanks for nothing
 
2013-01-18 03:53:01 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: "A lot of people don't know that in many locations in the commonwealth, you can take this gun, you can walk in the middle of Main Street loaded and not be in violation of the law," Morrissey said on the floor, according to the Examiner, assuring other lawmakers that the gun was not loaded.

/epic facepalm. First of all, the murders committed in the USA with an AK, or a AR, or any other type of "assault" weapon are far and below the numbers killed by handguns and knives. You're just waving that AK around because it looks scary and ZOMG we should ban it, even though the facts don't support doing that. And yes, it would have been funny if he was waving it around like a retard, and it went full auto..spraying a full magazine into the ceiling. Would have been like watching a hamas vid.


You NEVER go full auto.
 
2013-01-18 03:53:34 PM  

Theburner: BTW, that looks like an AK sold DURING the Clinton ban, as it has a thumb hole stock. Can anyone confirm? That would make this really funny.


Well, there is no flash hider or muzzle break, so it is possible.

It seems like everyone's shiat is getting really emotional in there right now.
 
2013-01-18 03:55:39 PM  

jaybeezey: Theburner: BTW, that looks like an AK sold DURING the Clinton ban, as it has a thumb hole stock. Can anyone confirm? That would make this really funny.

Well, there is no flash hider or muzzle break, so it is possible.

It seems like everyone's shiat is getting really emotional in there right now.


Funny, the Dem's are introducing bills in the VA Senate that mimic what Obama and Feinstein are wishing for. They are being voted down. VA might have gone blue in the Federal Election, but folks around here really like their guns.
 
2013-01-18 03:55:57 PM  
Go Away, Baitin'.
 
2013-01-18 03:56:38 PM  

illannoyin: WhyKnot: Gun control laws that I don't think people would argue with:
• background checks
• safety certificate in associate with classification of weapon you are purchasing (similar to what is required when getting a hunting license)

You're half right.


My thought wouldn't be that you have to identify your exact gun or even own the gun for that matter, essentially you would be 'certified' to own the gun if you so desire. It wouldn't act as a registry of guns (which you know they are already tracking current gun sales), it would simply act as a 'person ABC has established that he/she knows the proper and safe way to handle gun type XYZ'.
 
2013-01-18 04:01:46 PM  

baka-san: Chagrin: Cheese eating surrender monkey: What the shiat is that stock?

It has a thumbhole. That makes it an assault weapon.

Wrong way around sparky, the lack of a true pistol grip made it NOT one under the original mid 90's ban.


How is that not a pistol grip? Because it connects to the stock at the bottom to make a loop? That's hi-larious. I can still hold it (comfortably) with one hand.
 
2013-01-18 04:02:28 PM  

Chagrin: Cheese eating surrender monkey: What the shiat is that stock?

It has a thumbhole. That makes it an assault weapon Gay.


FTFY
 
2013-01-18 04:02:58 PM  
Morrissey lamented Virginia's laws allowing guns in the statehouse.
"As a delegate, I have the authority to bring guns into the chamber," Morrissey said. "Right now, there are members of the House of Delegates on the other side of the aisle that pack weapons."
He assumes the guns are loaded, he said, and he doesn't like seeing them in the assembly chamber.
"How about this," he asked, exasperated. "How about prohibiting firearms from coming into the General Assembly?"

WTF? And we're still in Afghanistan because . . .

first class moronic sissy bedwetters.
For some silly reason I thought . . . well I guess there's my first mistake right there.
Apologies for wasting your time when the issue was with me.
Thanks for your time.  I'll let myself out thanks again.
 
2013-01-18 04:04:52 PM  

Theburner: jaybeezey: Theburner: BTW, that looks like an AK sold DURING the Clinton ban, as it has a thumb hole stock. Can anyone confirm? That would make this really funny.

Well, there is no flash hider or muzzle break, so it is possible.

It seems like everyone's shiat is getting really emotional in there right now.

Funny, the Dem's are introducing bills in the VA Senate that mimic what Obama and Feinstein are wishing for. They are being voted down. VA might have gone blue in the Federal Election, but folks around here really like their guns.


I think if most of Virgina had their way, Alexandria County would be made part of the District of Columbia again.
 
2013-01-18 04:07:43 PM  

Rich Cream: baka-san: Chagrin: Cheese eating surrender monkey: What the shiat is that stock?

It has a thumbhole. That makes it an assault weapon.

Wrong way around sparky, the lack of a true pistol grip made it NOT one under the original mid 90's ban.

How is that not a pistol grip? Because it connects to the stock at the bottom to make a loop? That's hi-larious. I can still hold it (comfortably) with one hand.


That's what happens when people want to legislate but dismiss as "semantics" when "gun nuts" start asking specific questions.
 
2013-01-18 04:11:02 PM  
"A lot of people don't know that in many locations in the commonwealth, you can take this gun, you can walk in the middle of Main Street loaded and not be in violation of the law," Morrissey said [...]

So what?
 
2013-01-18 04:12:30 PM  

Rich Cream: How is that not a pistol grip? Because it connects to the stock at the bottom to make a loop? That's hi-larious. I can still hold it (comfortably) with one hand.


So you agree that the AWB was silly and ineffective?
 
2013-01-18 04:13:27 PM  
Front Page of the Toronto Star.. Teenager shot in Toronto High rise.
Further in the article, 2 others were shot in the same building last year.

Where are the holier than thou Canadians preaching about their awesome gun laws?
 
2013-01-18 04:14:20 PM  

SlothB77: Idiocracy is becoming reality at an alarming rate.


Nonsense. Have you even seen that movie?
 
2013-01-18 04:14:26 PM  

GoldSpider: Flashlight: The jerk has his thumb on the trigger. He should not be allowed to own a gun.

These are the people who want to steer the discussion around "gun safety".


Well, if you're going to handle a firearm you should be safe about it.
 
2013-01-18 04:14:31 PM  

Heraclitus: Chagrin: Cheese eating surrender monkey: What the shiat is that stock?

It has a thumbhole. That makes it an assault weapon Gay.

FTFY


Like thumb holes for bolt action long guns, but not for my AR's or AK's.
 
2013-01-18 04:16:03 PM  

simplicimus: GAT_00: simplicimus: "... assuring other lawmakers that the gun was not loaded."
/sigh

He's just being a Responsible Gun Owner

Yeah, not so much.


a real Responsible Gun Owner legislator wouldn't have bother to inform the police or his colleagues ahead of time. instead would've just pulled it out of his handbag, loaded with the safety off and started pointing it around the room, laughing how safe it is.
 
2013-01-18 04:17:54 PM  
Brandishing a rifle by a leftist pol in the state house = just a prop
Carrying a rifle on your back in Starbucks = voter intimidation

/Must be the suit
 
2013-01-18 04:18:03 PM  

Glendale: Well, if you're going to handle a firearm you should be safe about it.


Precisely.
 
2013-01-18 04:19:00 PM  

Cheese eating surrender monkey: What the shiat is that stock?


That stock is proof that the assault weapons ban is more about theater than substance. That's what it is.
 
2013-01-18 04:22:30 PM  

hdhale: Theburner: jaybeezey: Theburner: BTW, that looks like an AK sold DURING the Clinton ban, as it has a thumb hole stock. Can anyone confirm? That would make this really funny.

Well, there is no flash hider or muzzle break, so it is possible.

It seems like everyone's shiat is getting really emotional in there right now.

Funny, the Dem's are introducing bills in the VA Senate that mimic what Obama and Feinstein are wishing for. They are being voted down. VA might have gone blue in the Federal Election, but folks around here really like their guns.

I think if most of Virgina had their way, Alexandria County would be made part of the District of Columbia again.


Do you mean the City or Alexandria or Arlington County?

There is no Alexandria County.
 
2013-01-18 04:22:32 PM  

not5am: simplicimus: GAT_00: simplicimus: "... assuring other lawmakers that the gun was not loaded."
/sigh

He's just being a Responsible Gun Owner

Yeah, not so much.

a real Responsible Gun Owner legislator wouldn't have bother to inform the police or his colleagues ahead of time. instead would've just pulled it out of his handbag, loaded with the safety off and started pointing it around the room, laughing how safe it is.


0/10 - Weapons grade stupid
 
2013-01-18 04:22:44 PM  
So what? It was an unloaded gun that was inspected by police before enterring the chamber. What's the big deal?
 
2013-01-18 04:26:53 PM  

GoldSpider: Rich Cream: How is that not a pistol grip? Because it connects to the stock at the bottom to make a loop? That's hi-larious. I can still hold it (comfortably) with one hand.

So you agree that the AWB was silly and ineffective?



Trying to get me to commit to one side or the other are ye? That would limit my trolling options.

/ineffective but not silly
 
2013-01-18 04:27:20 PM  

Xythero: So what? It was an unloaded gun that was inspected by police before enterring the chamber. What's the big deal?


The 4 Basic Rules of Gun Safety:

•Treat all guns as if they are loaded.

•Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.

•Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target.

•Be sure of your target and what is beyond it.


How many did this moran violate? (Hint ALL OF THEM)
 
2013-01-18 04:28:19 PM  

Xythero: So what? It was an unloaded gun that was inspected by police before enterring the chamber. What's the big deal?



Did they search him for ammo?
 
2013-01-18 04:29:01 PM  

Xythero: So what? It was an unloaded gun that was inspected by police before enterring the chamber. What's the big deal?


It was a deadly semi-automatic assault rifle with no legitimate civilian purpose and that is only ever used for killing a substantial quantity of humans in a relatively short duration. As such, observers of the firearm are obligated to suffer from immediate incontinence and paralysis resulting from anxiety.

Additionally, the lawmaker demonstrated improper firearm handling safety. Such behaviour inherently merits scorn.
 
2013-01-18 04:29:29 PM  

not5am: simplicimus: GAT_00: simplicimus: "... assuring other lawmakers that the gun was not loaded."
/sigh

He's just being a Responsible Gun Owner

Yeah, not so much.

a real Responsible Gun Owner legislator wouldn't have bother to inform the police or his colleagues ahead of time. instead would've just pulled it out of his handbag, loaded with the safety off and started pointing it around the room, laughing how safe it is.


..it's ok he always puts one less round in the clip so the first shot is a dry fire.
 
2013-01-18 04:30:08 PM  

Rich Cream: Xythero: So what? It was an unloaded gun that was inspected by police before enterring the chamber. What's the big deal?


Did they search him for ammo?


Did they search everyone for ammo?
 
2013-01-18 04:30:50 PM  

Xythero: So what? It was an unloaded gun that was inspected by police before enterring the chamber. What's the big deal?


So, if it was a pro-gun Republican grandstanding in a legislative chamber with a AK clone, would you still feel it's no big deal?
 
2013-01-18 04:32:11 PM  

Dimensio: Xythero: So what? It was an unloaded gun that was inspected by police before enterring the chamber. What's the big deal?

It was a deadly semi-automatic assault rifle with no legitimate civilian purpose and that is only ever used for killing a substantial quantity of humans in a relatively short duration. As such, observers of the firearm are obligated to suffer from immediate incontinence and paralysis resulting from anxiety.

Additionally, the lawmaker demonstrated improper firearm handling safety. Such behaviour inherently merits scorn.


Seriously, fark taught me guns ONLY purpose is to kill. Why it no kill?
 
2013-01-18 04:32:35 PM  
So if this guy, and David Gregory, took a twelve year old girl and showed her his wang it would be okay as long as it was for educational purposes on national news television and you told the cops you were gonna do it and you get the kid from "a friend".
Nice to know.
 
2013-01-18 04:33:57 PM  

kombat_unit: Dimensio: Xythero: So what? It was an unloaded gun that was inspected by police before enterring the chamber. What's the big deal?

It was a deadly semi-automatic assault rifle with no legitimate civilian purpose and that is only ever used for killing a substantial quantity of humans in a relatively short duration. As such, observers of the firearm are obligated to suffer from immediate incontinence and paralysis resulting from anxiety.

Additionally, the lawmaker demonstrated improper firearm handling safety. Such behaviour inherently merits scorn.

Seriously, fark taught me guns ONLY purpose is to kill. Why it no kill?


Apparently, and quite fortunately for other lawmakers in the building, the firearm was defective. It may suffer from the same defect that evidently affects my firearms.
 
2013-01-18 04:34:13 PM  
Real AK-47s are extremely rare and valuable (as in, I could buy this AK-47 or a new compact car) in the US. Undoubtedly what he was holding was an AK-47 "pattern" rifle, which is a semi-automatic variant, and functionally no different from any other semiautomatic rifle. Which, by the way, are rarely used in crimes. It's just another example of fact-free fear mongering from a gun grabber, hell bent on enacting legislation that would make an immeasurably small difference in the amount of gun violence happening in the US.
 
2013-01-18 04:34:41 PM  

Rich Cream: How is that not a pistol grip? Because it connects to the stock at the bottom to make a loop? That's hi-larious. I can still hold it (comfortably) with one hand.


See, by that measure, this has a pistol grip...

thespecialistsltd.com
 
2013-01-18 04:35:42 PM  

Flashlight: The jerk has his thumb on the trigger. He should not be allowed to own a gun.


Hey maybe there IS middle ground on the gun debate, a sensible compromise solution that Gun-lovers and Gun haters can all agree on:

A law stating that anytime you are caught doing something stupid with a gun, be it in public, on facebook, twitter, Instagram  etc,  That gun is immediately forfiet and your right to buy another gun is suspended for a year, with a three strikes lifetime ban
 
2013-01-18 04:37:25 PM  
Awesome headline!!!
 
2013-01-18 04:37:26 PM  
Everyone in Richmond knows Joe is a dumbass. He also has a notorious temper and prone to violence. He fits the perfect profile of someone that shouldn't have a concealed carry permit. I support any Republican effort to marginalize this asshole.
 
2013-01-18 04:37:38 PM  

ZackDanger: "A lot of people don't know that in many locations in the commonwealth, you can take this gun, you can walk in the middle of Main Street loaded and not be in violation of the law," Morrissey said [...]

So what?


He would too be in violation of the law. You can't just walk down the middle of the street!
 
2013-01-18 04:37:41 PM  
I've heard a story that since it's legal to carry a concealed weapon in the Texas Capitol building, and if you do you skip the metal detector lines (because what's the point?), some reporters have gotten concealed carry licenses and pistols to speed up the process. I have no idea if I remember right or if it was true when I heard it, but it's funny anyway.
 
2013-01-18 04:38:07 PM  
They are dangerous toys, noting more, nothing less. If hicks and lunatics can't play safely with these toys, they will lose them, and that's OK.

Ersatz military gear has no rational place in our civil society. We don't let idiots dress up like cops or firefighters or EMTs, either; you get arrested for that shiat. It should be the same if you want to dress up like a soldier. We can make an exception for re-enactors, since at least they seem to know that they're playing dress-up.

Otherwise, yes, you should lose your military toys at the drop of a hat and they should be regulated to whatever necessary level to keep them away from thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shiat-kickers and Methodists.

It's only common sense.
 
2013-01-18 04:39:06 PM  

illannoyin: I think he should get together with the guy from this thread and go bowling


good idea, they could take the skinheads too

/okay THAT was obscure but it's late on Friday
 
2013-01-18 04:39:11 PM  
On his way home did he take a sip of the potion to hit the three-wheel motion?
 
2013-01-18 04:39:42 PM  

I May Be Crazy But...: I've heard a story that since it's legal to carry a concealed weapon in the Texas Capitol building, and if you do you skip the metal detector lines (because what's the point?), some reporters have gotten concealed carry licenses and pistols to speed up the process. I have no idea if I remember right or if it was true when I heard it, but it's funny anyway.


CCW require background check and fingerprints to make sure you're not a illegal butthole.
 
2013-01-18 04:41:23 PM  

willfullyobscure: They are dangerous toys, noting more, nothing less. If hicks and lunatics can't play safely with these toys, they will lose them, and that's OK.

Ersatz military gear has no rational place in our civil society. We don't let idiots dress up like cops or firefighters or EMTs, either; you get arrested for that shiat. It should be the same if you want to dress up like a soldier. We can make an exception for re-enactors, since at least they seem to know that they're playing dress-up.

Otherwise, yes, you should lose your military toys at the drop of a hat and they should be regulated to whatever necessary level to keep them away from thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shiat-kickers and Methodists.

It's only common sense.


Read Federalist 45 and then realize how off base your dumb post is.
 
2013-01-18 04:43:28 PM  

kombat_unit: I May Be Crazy But...: I've heard a story that since it's legal to carry a concealed weapon in the Texas Capitol building, and if you do you skip the metal detector lines (because what's the point?), some reporters have gotten concealed carry licenses and pistols to speed up the process. I have no idea if I remember right or if it was true when I heard it, but it's funny anyway.

CCW require background check and fingerprints to make sure you're not a illegal butthole.


I actually feel safer around people with CCW's than others. The vast majority are safe and rational. There are however an equal percentage of "idiots" in the gun owning world as there are in any other group of people. Well, except the Democrat party. They are all idiots.
 
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