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2013-01-18 01:47:46 PM  
Places like this need a daily upper decker installment. Volunteers should be going there daily, not buying anything and just heading to the bathroom with 3 days worth bagels ready to come out.
 
2013-01-18 01:48:50 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Almet: The fool! He's just allowing them to go on Obongo's indefinate unemployment and 0boingboingcare and 0bama-llama phones!

HELL-yeah! Just got the letters Tuesday: Since Obama extended the UI, got another 13 weeks extension at $412 per week, then ANOTHER new claim, automatically following that, at $205 per week for 26 weeks - plus another 67 weeks of extensions for that claim.

And Monday we were notified we could start hunting for a Section 8 apartment. We'll be paying 30% of our combined monthly "income" for it, the taxpayers picking up the rest.

THANKS, taxpayers!


glad to help, guess you need a new fark handle now
 
2013-01-18 01:48:58 PM  

gja: Did I not say clearly there is extremism on both sides? I did not QUANTIFY it. Yes, the right side has a disproportionate faction of loons.
There, happy?
Let me define it more clearly so you can untwist your knickers. IT IS EXTREMISM FROM EITHER END THAT CAUSES THE PROBLEMS.
Right, left, doesn't matter. They need to go. I am doing MY part to kick the right extremists in the nuts, I expect some cooperation from my liberal friends. Too much to ask that they clean their yard (however smaller it might be)?
I don't need to hold a mea culpa-fest. I know the problems, I have it clearly in sight, and I am trying to work towards a fix.
Are you? If not, why not?

It no cop-out. There is NOTHING convenient with having to go head-to-head with jackasses who cannot see past their religious scripts and ridiculous outdated dogma. It is farking horrible at times, but I am willing to do it because it's the RIGHT thing to do.

I never wrote "both side are equally bad", nor was that tone used in my post.
Learn to read or at least quote accurately.


Let me quote again the part that you seem to be having difficulty with:
"IT IS EXTREMISM FROM EITHER END THAT CAUSES THE PROBLEMS."

If you were truly trying to take an objective view of the current political climate in this country, you would have shortened that to "extremism...causes problems." If you were then to go on to pinpoint exactly what extremism is currently causing our problems, you would have said "extremism, on the right, is causing problems." But you didn't. Because you are still stubborning holding to the us vs. them sports team mentality that is so prevalent on the right.
 
2013-01-18 01:51:07 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: self-entitled "me-first, screw everyone else" idiots out there think.


you mean conservatives?
 
2013-01-18 01:51:29 PM  

lordjupiter: This guy's just admitting to what I know for a fact goes on behind the scenes a lot anyway.


^THIS^

/ The guy just sacrificed two of his employees jobs to his ego so he could AW his business and get free advertising.
// Obviously he will claim he is the most Personally Responsible Christian, evar.
/// Best thing to do would be ignore him. Oh, and nuke his business from orbit on Yelp!
 
2013-01-18 01:52:48 PM  

skullkrusher: praxcelis: gja: Please stop generalizing and stereotyping. It is not very intelligent nor is it very reasonable or productive.
...
those of us who have learned to live and behave within the appropriate boundaries and limits of our lifestyle and station in life. Not everyone gets a solid gold shiatter to sit on, get over it.

So everything would be better if everyone just remembered their place? Aside from the cognitive dissonance, that's also a bit telling about your view of society.

that isn't remotely what he said, is it?


This isn't going to be one of those threads where we take a commonly-used phrase like "station in life" and spend all afternoon arguing abscure usages of those words, rather than accepting the commonly-used context? Every time I hear that phrase used it is in the context of "knowing one's place". gja's comment was followed by "Not everyone gets a solid gold shiatter to sit on, get over it.", which indicates an awareness of that commonly-used context.

What do you think was meant?
 
2013-01-18 01:53:33 PM  

natas6.0: I think it's funny and fitting
I also think it's kinda rude
If you have no difference in opinion
then you'll never have a new idea.

That said, most 'bama voters I know just regurgitate the same pap someone else told 'em


Well, to be fair, most 'bama voters YOU know ARE pretty dumb.
 
2013-01-18 01:53:34 PM  
img832.imageshack.us ? soon ?
 
2013-01-18 01:54:09 PM  
arguing obscure usages...


/I even previewed it.
//Blame the cold meds.
 
2013-01-18 01:55:16 PM  

Amos Quito: For those of you who believe that the boss acted illegally in firing these guys, maybe you could explain (for me) how Obama justified firing the entire Bush White House cabinet when he took office?


The were temporarily appointed to their jobs, just like Bush was, for terms that ended at the exact same time Bush's did. I don't believe that Obama actually "fired" any of them.
 
2013-01-18 01:57:08 PM  

SpectroBoy: Victim: Your honor (sniff sniff) he threatened to fire me if I didn't vote how he wanted me to (sob). I can't afford to lose this job, but I know interfering with elections is illegal and I didn't want to go to jail so I refused. And he FIRED me!!!! (booo hoo hoo)

Yeah... a good lawyer could burn this dope good.


The jury will all be Mormons from Utah, though.
 
2013-01-18 01:57:19 PM  

StrangeQ: gja: Many conservatives (myself included) are tired of the extremism (from BOTH sides)

See that? That, right there? That is the problem. The "both sides" argument is nothing but a convenient, bullshiat copout.

The vast majority of the hate, bile, vitriol and extremism in this country comes from the right. They are the cause of the biggest divides, and the ultimate source of the lack of progress towards anything meaningful.

Yes, there are extreme stances on the left. PETA. PETA is farking rediculous, but skinny chicks wearing salad leaves over their crotches demonstrates not even a fraction of the mental insanity it takes to completely lose your shiat at the suggestion that we might have a gun problem.

It is conservative extremism that is bringing this country to a grinding, crushing halt. If you really consider yourself an honest person that truly wants to better your life and the lives of those around you, then you will stop and never again spout the bullshiat nonsense that "both sides are equally bad." Both sides can be bad, yes; one side in particular has gone head and shoulders above the rest in its efforts to divide, marginalize and terrorize. Quit lieing to yourself and others and admit the farking truth.



This. And it has been solidly trending this way for years. The extreme elements have taken over the GOP and now represent the party in every way that matters. That is the core difference between the makeup of the "two sides" now, and the reason one side DOES go off the deep end more than the other.

And the more that happens, the more the relative "middle" gets shifted toward them out of some sense of compromise. Politically, it should work. But they're so farking cartoonishly stupid about it now they keep losing elections.

How dumb do you have to be to make RAPE excuses part of your narrative in an election year, just because you want to rally your base around another divisive topic (abortion)?
 
2013-01-18 01:59:27 PM  

praxcelis: skullkrusher: praxcelis: gja: Please stop generalizing and stereotyping. It is not very intelligent nor is it very reasonable or productive.
...
those of us who have learned to live and behave within the appropriate boundaries and limits of our lifestyle and station in life. Not everyone gets a solid gold shiatter to sit on, get over it.

So everything would be better if everyone just remembered their place? Aside from the cognitive dissonance, that's also a bit telling about your view of society.

that isn't remotely what he said, is it?

This isn't going to be one of those threads where we take a commonly-used phrase like "station in life" and spend all afternoon arguing abscure usages of those words, rather than accepting the commonly-used context? Every time I hear that phrase used it is in the context of "knowing one's place". gja's comment was followed by "Not everyone gets a solid gold shiatter to sit on, get over it.", which indicates an awareness of that commonly-used context.

What do you think was meant?


he is talking about living in one's means. Living according to one's position on the socioeconomic ladder. Nothing about "remembering one's place" aside from as it pertains to personal finances. "Remembering one's place" is far more loaded than "station in life" - it even has a connotation that one should show deference to his or her "betters".
I did not get anything of that sort from his post. Nor did I see the cognitive dissonance.
 
2013-01-18 01:59:31 PM  

pciszek: Amos Quito: For those of you who believe that the boss acted illegally in firing these guys, maybe you could explain (for me) how Obama justified firing the entire Bush White House cabinet when he took office?

The were temporarily appointed to their jobs, just like Bush was, for terms that ended at the exact same time Bush's did. I don't believe that Obama actually "fired" any of them.


No, that is not how it works.
The cabinet members are not hired for a "term".
Got anything else? Hopefully something that isn't blatantly wrong and stupid.
 
2013-01-18 02:00:20 PM  
darkscout
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_class

Race - Federal: Civil Rights Act of 1964

Color - Federal: Civil Rights Act of 1964

Religion - Federal: Civil Rights Act of 1964

National origin - Federal: Civil Rights Act of 1964
Age (40 and over) - Federal: Age Discrimination in Employment
Act of 1967
Sex - Federal: Equal Pay Act of 1963 & Civil Rights Act of 1964

Familial status - Federal: Civil Rights Act of 1968 Title VIII (Housing, cannot discriminate for having children, exception for senior housing)

Disability status - Federal: Vocational Rehabilitation and Other Rehabilitation Services of 1973 & Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990

Veteran status - Federal Vietnam Era Veterans Readjustment Assistance Act of 1974
Genetic information - Federal: Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act



THERE IT IS.

The basis for the lawsuit.

Voting for OBama is a genetic disorder.

Easy Money.
 
2013-01-18 02:00:23 PM  
I'm a liberal and I have to say 'Who Cares?'

I'm so glad this smoothie shop owner is pissed that everyone now has healthcare. Good, you lose, retaliate in whatever legal way you want. It doesn't make you right.

Sorry for the employees and I hope find better jobs.

/maybe I am just used to idiotic republican antics? I point out that some of the shiat they say is pure lies, then I move on. They are losing anyway.
 
2013-01-18 02:01:06 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: 3. He also said the people fired had performance issues.


Well, they do now. Surely you know how these things work?

People who get fired the same day their boss finds out they are gay/atheist/interracially married/whatever retroactively develop performance issues. Smarter bosses start finding fault with everything they do and fire them a week later.
 
2013-01-18 02:01:29 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: pciszek: Amos Quito: For those of you who believe that the boss acted illegally in firing these guys, maybe you could explain (for me) how Obama justified firing the entire Bush White House cabinet when he took office?

The were temporarily appointed to their jobs, just like Bush was, for terms that ended at the exact same time Bush's did. I don't believe that Obama actually "fired" any of them.

No, that is not how it works.
The cabinet members are not hired for a "term".
Got anything else? Hopefully something that isn't blatantly wrong and stupid.


ya. those people are not protected by federal labor/employment laws.  they serve at the pleasure of the president.
 
2013-01-18 02:01:47 PM  
It seems a lot of Utah small business owners are totalitarian pricks.
 
2013-01-18 02:02:43 PM  
The amount of "This guys is a dick - there MUST be a way to sue him!" in this thread gives me a sad.


Sorry, but your feelings are not lawsuit worthy, snowflakes.


/Yes, the guys is a first-class dick..but a legal dick
 
2013-01-18 02:03:34 PM  

MyPenIsHuge: stirfrybry: bulldg4life: From his actions, he sounds like a goddamn retard...especially if he could fire two employees and still reasonably run his business. Sounds like a motherf*cking stupid business owner if he had these two employees on the payroll for no apparent reason whatsoever.

His words and using "obongo" as some sort of reasonable statement just indicate that he is a racist goddamn retard.

No surprise here.

LOL@racecard

This, why do people continue to throw down the term racist for every single statement they don't agree with?



Because any intelligent person can see it was a racist remark.
 
2013-01-18 02:03:39 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: pciszek: Amos Quito: For those of you who believe that the boss acted illegally in firing these guys, maybe you could explain (for me) how Obama justified firing the entire Bush White House cabinet when he took office?

The were temporarily appointed to their jobs, just like Bush was, for terms that ended at the exact same time Bush's did. I don't believe that Obama actually "fired" any of them.

No, that is not how it works.
The cabinet members are not hired for a "term".
Got anything else? Hopefully something that isn't blatantly wrong and stupid.



What's blatantly wrong and stupid is pretending that a Presidential Election winner is somehow violating discrimination laws when his winning team takes over. It's kind of the POINT of politics and elections.

Jesus farking christ.
 
2013-01-18 02:03:54 PM  

pciszek: Verrai: Dimensio: Diogenes: Dimensio: gja: lawsuits in 4....3....2....1

As noted in the article, the owner violated no laws in terminating employees based upon political affiliation.

Perhaps.  Still an asshole.

Civil or criminal liability for such a status would result in the cessation of all societal function.

That's not true. Many states forbid employment discrimination on the grounds of political affiliation. Utah just happens not to be one of them.

I think Dimensio (If I am counting layers correctly) means that civil or criminal liability for being an asshole would cause society to grind to a halt. If everyone's in jail, who's minding the store?


No shiat, it would shut down FARK as well
 
2013-01-18 02:04:34 PM  
I'm curious...how does the first shop owner know which of his customers are liberal, so he can charge them more?

They drive up in Volvos, wearing hemp?

Or does he just assume EVERYONE buying a veggie smoothie is a lib? which is kind of what I'd figure...
 
2013-01-18 02:05:23 PM  

Alebak: It was obvious something like this was going to happen.

Got one of those storage center places near here, and the sign out front has said "SCREWED NOW" ever since Obama got re-elected. Choosing a side with your business during the election season is one thing, but to keep it up for the foreseeable future just pushes people away from your business. I mean Texas might be conservative central, but wouldnt this shtick get old after a while?


There's a pawn shop in the small town that I used to live in. During the 2004 election period the large sign out front constantly had anti Hillary and anti liberal messages. There were thing like how Hillary should shut up and go back to the kitchen and how ebil liberals were in general. He did this in a small town close to Chicago. I can only imagine that his business got even slower than it was.
 
2013-01-18 02:05:59 PM  

bulldg4life: From his actions, he sounds like a goddamn retard...especially if he could fire two employees and still reasonably run his business. Sounds like a motherf*cking stupid business owner if he had these two employees on the payroll for no apparent reason whatsoever.

His words and using "obongo" as some sort of reasonable statement just indicate that he is a racist goddamn retard.

No surprise here.


Oh, I bet he can't. And I bet, come Monday, he's going to realize that those were the only two workers that didn't spend half their day around the water cooler gossiping about what color hair they'd have next week. People who define themselves as conservative or Republican tend to be practically stereotypes of white trash. So this idiot's in for a big surprise...
 
2013-01-18 02:06:30 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: I don't think Terry Lee fired anyone because of their politics.  He trolled the comments, the newspaper bit, and he kept trolling.

1. A digital forensics firm in Cedar City, UT, had more than 50 employees? I don't think so, Tim.

2. He said his business has been declining for two years.  There's a good reason to fire people.

3. He also said the people fired had performance issues.


And yet he bragged about firing people because of their politics.
 
2013-01-18 02:07:06 PM  

Ed Grubermann: Odd. Most of the people I know, and this could be biased due to me having more liberal friends than conservative friends, actually want to work. They want to be productive.


Sure, a lot of people want to accomplish something, but that is not the same thing as wanting to put in 40 hours a week working for someone else. Usually the exact opposite, as a matter of fact.

Sure, some people do get to spend their workweek making the blind to see and the lame to walk, pulling children out of burning buildings, or photographing nekkid people for a prestigious magazine. For the rest of us though--anyone who cannot think of something they would rather be doing than someone else's shiatwork has no soul.
 
2013-01-18 02:07:09 PM  
They will probably be out of business in a week like Chick Fil-a
 
gja
2013-01-18 02:09:57 PM  

Joe Blowme: pciszek: Verrai: Dimensio: Diogenes: Dimensio: gja: lawsuits in 4....3....2....1

As noted in the article, the owner violated no laws in terminating employees based upon political affiliation.

Perhaps.  Still an asshole.

Civil or criminal liability for such a status would result in the cessation of all societal function.

That's not true. Many states forbid employment discrimination on the grounds of political affiliation. Utah just happens not to be one of them.

I think Dimensio (If I am counting layers correctly) means that civil or criminal liability for being an asshole would cause society to grind to a halt. If everyone's in jail, who's minding the store?

No shiat, it would shut down FARK as well


Wall Street would be boarded up for sure.
 
2013-01-18 02:13:20 PM  
Once upon a time in Utah an idiot did something only an idiot would do for idiotic reasons. The end.

Related: The theme from Big Love just started playing on Pandora. Bizarre timing.
 
2013-01-18 02:14:07 PM  

Amos Quito: For those of you who believe that the boss acted illegally in firing these guys, maybe you could explain (for me) how Obama justified firing the entire Bush White House cabinet when he took office?

Thanks.


/It's different
//When we do it
///Well, it is


Every new President does that when they take office. You're trying to claim it should have been different when Obama took office.
 
2013-01-18 02:15:16 PM  

spidermilk: I'm a liberal and I have to say 'Who Cares?'

I'm so glad this smoothie shop owner is pissed that everyone now has healthcare. Good, you lose, retaliate in whatever legal way you want. It doesn't make you right.

Sorry for the employees and I hope find better jobs.

/maybe I am just used to idiotic republican antics? I point out that some of the shiat they say is pure lies, then I move on. They are losing anyway.


Sounds more like you are just use to everyone else paying your way in life.
 
2013-01-18 02:16:07 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe: spentmiles: I grew up in a vegan household and my mom taught me to make every type of organic burrito under the sun. When I went to college in Richmond, Virgina, I noticed a lot of hippies milling around the campus, smoking Drum and being upper middle class white kids. I saw an opportunity to make some money, so I set-up a burrito cart and sold a wrap that cost me less than a dollar to make for ten bucks. They sold like crazy, lines out the ass, and I made a ton of money.

It cracked me up too because I had this costume I'd dress up in - a tie-dye shirt, corduroy pants with some colorful shiat sewn on the sides, and a clip on feather I'd hang off my planter's hat. I looked like a Johnny shiats Himself, but the hippie kids treated me like Jerry Garcia's left nut. I was getting start to finish blow-jobs from the chicks while the dudes made themselves cool by giving me kind bud, which I sold back to them! I loved the BJs, but weed and other tranquilizers aren't interesting to me because I've got motivation and drive to do productive shiat while I'm awake.

Anyway, I'm in line at the bank one Friday with a stuffed envelope of roughly three grand in bills. I'm wearing my MegaCorpse tee-shirt with a baby in a microwave on the back (I also sold tee shirts at death metal shows), black combat boots, and ass tight jeans. I turn back and say to her, "What's up sweetie?" She doesn't even recognize me. She blows me off like fly on the dick she's sucking. Then when I whipped out all the cash, she gave me this dirty look, like it was a bad thing to have that much money. In the meantime, she was probably withdrawing a $20 of allowance. I didn't care - I didn't hold it against her. What's it to me?

The next week, I'm back in my hippie costume, slanging burritos, and she's all doe-eyed at me, wanting to know if I wanted to come smoke with her after the lunch rush. We ended up back at her nice ass apartment, making out on the couch, my hands all over those burrito fed ...


www.oceanpeakoutfitters.com
 
2013-01-18 02:16:39 PM  

skullkrusher: praxcelis: skullkrusher: praxcelis: gja: Please stop generalizing and stereotyping. It is not very intelligent nor is it very reasonable or productive.
...
those of us who have learned to live and behave within the appropriate boundaries and limits of our lifestyle and station in life. Not everyone gets a solid gold shiatter to sit on, get over it.

So everything would be better if everyone just remembered their place? Aside from the cognitive dissonance, that's also a bit telling about your view of society.

that isn't remotely what he said, is it?

This isn't going to be one of those threads where we take a commonly-used phrase like "station in life" and spend all afternoon arguing abscure usages of those words, rather than accepting the commonly-used context? Every time I hear that phrase used it is in the context of "knowing one's place". gja's comment was followed by "Not everyone gets a solid gold shiatter to sit on, get over it.", which indicates an awareness of that commonly-used context.

What do you think was meant?

he is talking about living in one's means. Living according to one's position on the socioeconomic ladder. Nothing about "remembering one's place" aside from as it pertains to personal finances. "Remembering one's place" is far more loaded than "station in life" - it even has a connotation that one should show deference to his or her "betters".
I did not get anything of that sort from his post. Nor did I see the cognitive dissonance.


I'm willing to give on the definition--it's something I've heard in conversation all-too-often associated with that more-loaded connotation, but that may just be a function of the more conservative-leaning (read: scary) sorts I have in my friends-and-family list. :P We'll just have to disagree on whose context-senses are going off more.

The cognitive dissonance, however, was that hint in the air of the old "moochers and leeches" argument that does reek of over-generalization, in a post he began with "let's not generalize". I found that an interesting dichotomy that deserved to be poked at.
 
2013-01-18 02:19:03 PM  

Amos Quito: Pants full of macaroni!!: Amos Quito: For those of you who believe that the boss acted illegally in firing these guys, maybe you could explain (for me) how Obama justified firing the entire Bush White House cabinet when he took office?

You mean the same thing that happens every time the presidency changes hands?


Obviously.

Sweeping staff changes take place every time an election is held - whether president, governors, mayors, senators... ALL because of POLITICAL OPINIONS / AFFILIATION.

Sure, the guy may be an ass, but good luck with that prosecution / lawsuit.


For a good comparison you'd have to show that the company had a previous owner and that the new owner was the one that fired those workers.
 
2013-01-18 02:21:30 PM  

Latinwolf: Amos Quito: For those of you who believe that the boss acted illegally in firing these guys, maybe you could explain (for me) how Obama justified firing the entire Bush White House cabinet when he took office?

Thanks.


/It's different
//When we do it
///Well, it is

Every new President does that when they take office. You're trying to claim it should have been different when Obama took office.



Not at all. It was just to bring the point home to the Obama Faithful, Deacon Latinwolf.

Obviously any new president doesn't want a bunch of clowns who, by nature of their POLITICAL AFFILIATION may well be working AGAINST his perceived interests as President.

Why should it be any different for a private employer?
 
2013-01-18 02:24:50 PM  

Latinwolf: Amos Quito: Pants full of macaroni!!: Amos Quito: For those of you who believe that the boss acted illegally in firing these guys, maybe you could explain (for me) how Obama justified firing the entire Bush White House cabinet when he took office?

You mean the same thing that happens every time the presidency changes hands?


Obviously.

Sweeping staff changes take place every time an election is held - whether president, governors, mayors, senators... ALL because of POLITICAL OPINIONS / AFFILIATION.

Sure, the guy may be an ass, but good luck with that prosecution / lawsuit.

For a good comparison you'd have to show that the company had a previous owner and that the new owner was the one that fired those workers.



No, the employer simply has to believe that the employee does (or may) work to the detriment of the company.

Example: If you owned a slaughterhouse, would you feel comfortable with hardcore PETA activist on your payroll?
 
gja
2013-01-18 02:27:54 PM  

skullkrusher: praxcelis: skullkrusher: praxcelis: gja: Please stop generalizing and stereotyping. It is not very intelligent nor is it very reasonable or productive.
...
those of us who have learned to live and behave within the appropriate boundaries and limits of our lifestyle and station in life. Not everyone gets a solid gold shiatter to sit on, get over it.

So everything would be better if everyone just remembered their place? Aside from the cognitive dissonance, that's also a bit telling about your view of society.

that isn't remotely what he said, is it?

This isn't going to be one of those threads where we take a commonly-used phrase like "station in life" and spend all afternoon arguing abscure usages of those words, rather than accepting the commonly-used context? Every time I hear that phrase used it is in the context of "knowing one's place". gja's comment was followed by "Not everyone gets a solid gold shiatter to sit on, get over it.", which indicates an awareness of that commonly-used context.

What do you think was meant?

he is talking about living in one's means. Living according to one's position on the socioeconomic ladder. Nothing about "remembering one's place" aside from as it pertains to personal finances. "Remembering one's place" is far more loaded than "station in life" - it even has a connotation that one should show deference to his or her "betters".
I did not get anything of that sort from his post. Nor did I see the cognitive dissonance.


Leave it, man. They do not see it.

I would like a lot of cool toys, but I am not willing to work asinine hours to afford them.
Neither am I about to spend money via credit for things I cannot afford.
Doesn't drepress me, and I don't sit whining about it.
And really, in the scheme of things, it isn't bumming me out, so big deal, right?
I'm stuck in middle class. So what? I see my bosses have more than me, should I get all pissy about it? What the hell for?
I could get it too, if I was willing to slave and never take time off.
Maybe I could do with a private jet like the guy who founded this place. Gee, all I need to do is bet everything I own, remortgage my house, all my savings, all my credit and hope it works out. Just like HE did. Not gonna happen sparky, I don't have his brass balls. I don't feel like being homeless because I missed a detail in my business plan, and then never see my kid because my ex would lawyer-up and screw me over, no thanks.

So, I live within my means, and know I can change that if it really drives me and I feel like it. But it's not a big enough deal in my life, so I am good to go as I am.
If you REALLY have a burning desire, go for it. It could happen, but always know there is a reason the call it the "risk/reward" equation.
Risk, is inherent.

And as far as "station in life" I don't try to hang out at the local country club for a round when I know I have little to nothing in common with the members, and it's no big dealio. Public greens are good enough for me, and most of my buds are there anyway.
 
gja
2013-01-18 02:29:50 PM  

praxcelis: The cognitive dissonance, however, was that hint in the air of the old "moochers and leeches" argument that does reek of over-generalization, in a post he began with "let's not generalize". I found that an interesting dichotomy that deserved to be poked at.


That's likely my "NY" poking through. Some get that, some don't. Sorry if I am sometimes curt or abrasive.
 
gja
2013-01-18 02:31:39 PM  

jackiepaper: they serve at the pleasure of the president


Clinton's back?
 
2013-01-18 02:32:04 PM  

praxcelis: I'm willing to give on the definition--it's something I've heard in conversation all-too-often associated with that more-loaded connotation, but that may just be a function of the more conservative-leaning (read: scary) sorts I have in my friends-and-family list. :P We'll just have to disagree on whose context-senses are going off more.

The cognitive dissonance, however, was that hint in the air of the old "moochers and leeches" argument that does reek of over-generalization, in a post he began with "let's not generalize". I found that an interesting dichotomy that deserved to be poked at.


more stereotyping is what gives you that "hint". ;)
This has nothing to do with mooching or leeching
Many, many people do live beyond their means.

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I got you greened for a reason so Imma give you the benefit of the doubt. Dude didn't say anything bad though
 
2013-01-18 02:33:07 PM  

gja: praxcelis: The cognitive dissonance, however, was that hint in the air of the old "moochers and leeches" argument that does reek of over-generalization, in a post he began with "let's not generalize". I found that an interesting dichotomy that deserved to be poked at.

That's likely my "NY" poking through. Some get that, some don't. Sorry if I am sometimes curt or abrasive.


ooh, I didn't know I was white knighting a fellow New Yorker. Tell me, are you an attractive single female living downstate who has a time machine that I might use to sweep you off your feet before I got married?
 
2013-01-18 02:33:59 PM  

StrangeQ: gja: Many conservatives (myself included) are tired of the extremism (from BOTH sides)

See that? That, right there? That is the problem. The "both sides" argument is nothing but a convenient, bullshiat copout.

The vast majority of the hate, bile, vitriol and extremism in this country comes from the right. They are the cause of the biggest divides, and the ultimate source of the lack of progress towards anything meaningful.

Yes, there are extreme stances on the left. PETA. PETA is farking rediculous, but skinny chicks wearing salad leaves over their crotches demonstrates not even a fraction of the mental insanity it takes to completely lose your shiat at the suggestion that we might have a gun problem.

It is conservative extremism that is bringing this country to a grinding, crushing halt. If you really consider yourself an honest person that truly wants to better your life and the lives of those around you, then you will stop and never again spout the bullshiat nonsense that "both sides are equally bad." Both sides can be bad, yes; one side in particular has gone head and shoulders above the rest in its efforts to divide, marginalize and terrorize. Quit lieing to yourself and others and admit the farking truth.


SO MUCH THIS

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2013-01-18 02:37:23 PM  

Amos Quito: No, the employer simply has to believe that the employee does (or may) work to the detriment of the company.

Example: If you owned a slaughterhouse, would you feel comfortable with hardcore PETA activist on your payroll?


How you vote is none of your employer's business. How you behave is.
 
2013-01-18 02:38:31 PM  

gja: "The left", in general is fine. Most liberals have not gone off the deep end, the whackos have. They are the ones I refer to, they exist in enough numbers to be disruptive. You know, I know it, every knows it.


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2013-01-18 02:38:33 PM  

Dimensio: gja: lawsuits in 4....3....2....1

As noted in the article, the owner violated no laws in terminating employees based upon political affiliation.


You don't necessarily have to break the law in order to be sued.

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2013-01-18 02:39:47 PM  
This whole story smells like lamestreamMSM bullshiat to me...everyone knows that liberals don't have jobs.
 
2013-01-18 02:41:19 PM  

gja: verbaltoxin: Serious question: what's this "extremism" on the left moderate conservatives like you are afraid of? Because honestly the left in this country isn't that left. The Green Party hardly counts as an "extreme" when their candidate gets less than 1% of the popular vote.

STOP, just STOP. We are not 'afraid', we dislike extremism (from either side).
Stop misquoting and/or projecting.

To answer your query, those who think it is their RIGHT to have things handed to them without having to work for it (via entitlement programs and such), those who feel the need to have legislation enacted every time something slights them in any minor way, those who cannot manage to be civil in their discourse when discussing matters (I have found this to be FAR more frequent a trait in far-left than conservatives).
Those who scream at me when I wish them a "Merry Christmas" because it "infringes on their rights. FFS people, take a pill!
So, basically, radical extremists.

"The left", in general is fine. Most liberals have not gone off the deep end, the whackos have. They are the ones I refer to, they exist in enough numbers to be disruptive. You know, I know it, every knows it. Just like the right "wing-nuts". They need to learn this clump we are spinning on is finite and we need to coexist or perish.


You are worked up over an enemy your ilk have imagined.

The "gimme gimmes" aren't getting a lavish lifestyle on government dollar. People who milk the system make up SO LITTLE of the whole welfare receiving population that it is cheaper to just pay them than investigate.

Think about what that means. It means you are wrong. It means that this vast conspiracy of takers just doesn't exist.
 
2013-01-18 02:42:42 PM  

pciszek: "This clump we are spinning on is finite" is in fact the major point that the extremist left tree-hugging greenies have been trying to make.


finite is not the same as effectively unbound.
Iron as an example. We have a finite amount of Fe on the planet, but the total easily accessible amount is INSANELY more than we could ever use, EVER. Toss in recycling which is cheap and easy and we have an effectively infinite amount of Fe.

Energy? Thorium/Uranium/Breeder reactors and solar; we effectively have an infinite supply of energy.
We have chosen to not build massive numbers of fission plants. Price (including externalities) is a bit too high. We have chosen to use fossil fuels until their Price becomes a bit higher.
But we will never run out of energy.

Finite, but effectively unbound.

/anyone who tells you otherwise will continue to be as wrong as everyone who has preached the same story since the dawn of time
 
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