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(Salt Lake Tribune)   Smoothie shop owner who charges more for liberals fires two employees for supporting Obama. Smooth move   (sltrib.com) divider line 447
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2013-01-18 12:21:07 PM  

Dimensio: gja: lawsuits in 4....3....2....1

As noted in the article, the owner violated no laws in terminating employees based upon political affiliation.


Thought so.

And the "actions have consquences" effect -- whether he'll gain more customers who side with his philosophical and political beliefs than lose those who are contrary.

/sound of Adam Smith's one hand wanking off
 
2013-01-18 12:21:50 PM  
Funny if he utilities were cut by the utility company for his political belief.
 
2013-01-18 12:22:26 PM  
Damn my typing sucks.
 
2013-01-18 12:22:31 PM  

spentmiles: I grew up in a vegan household and my mom taught me  ...


Dearest spentmiles, I love you. In a bro way, to be clear.
 
2013-01-18 12:22:57 PM  
PLEASE let Civil War II start soon
 
2013-01-18 12:23:01 PM  

James F. Campbell: spentmiles: I'm wearing my MegaCorpse tee-shirt with a baby in a microwave on the back (I also sold tee shirts at death metal shows), black combat boots, and ass tight jeans. I turn back and say to her, "What's up sweetie?"

You're going to have to get a lot better at writing coherent narratives before you can sell your fanfiction on Amazon, PN.


Pocket Ninja doesn't need an alt account to practice his art - and if he had one it surely isn't spentmiles. And yes, while spentmiles is trying to be entertaining, underneath it all he is still just a tool. I do like what he is doing now better than the last couple years of trolling, but you can't unring a bell. (or get off my favorites list)
 
2013-01-18 12:23:05 PM  
While race is a protected class, unfortunately it doesn't save people from being fired because the president is black.

But otherwise, yeah, this dude's pretty clearly a racist.
 
2013-01-18 12:23:43 PM  

Mazzic518: gja: lawsuits in 4....3....2....1

Your political party is not a protected group under EOC


funny, but neither were any of the other things until very recently.

things we might see protected soon:
political orientation
sexual orientation


plus, I thought there were laws against this from back in the days of company towns and union busting
 
2013-01-18 12:23:47 PM  

Red_Fox: StrangeQ: WTF Indeed: Easiest Lawsuit Ever.

Not lawsuits, but easiest unemployment claim ever. Have fun with your increased premiums, redneck.

You have got to be wrong about that. That or life's so much more unfair in the USA than I ever imagined.

He posted online that he chose them because they supported Obama. That's GOT to be a lawsuit...it is discrimination based on political leanings.


He can fire them for whatever reason he wants. But unless it was for something truly justifiable (constantly being late for shifts, harassing management or other workers, creating an unsafe or unsanitary work environment, ect) they can claim unemployment afterwards. Since in this case it is clear he is just an ignorant, asshole redneck, there is no way he will be able to fight their unemployment claims. When his unemployment insurance providers learn that he is just firing people because he is an ignorant, partisan hack and thus causing them to shell out money, they could possibly decide to raise his rates. They wouldn't have to, but he seems like he's made himself into too good a target not to. So yeah, stupid redneck will hopefully be reaping exactly what he has sewn. Of course, then he'll probably blame that on "obongo" too, because of course, nothing is ever a conservative's fault.
 
2013-01-18 12:25:01 PM  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_fraud#Intimidation

so yah, how is this not voter intimidation?
 
2013-01-18 12:26:13 PM  
I wonder how he just knew? Maybe he simply asked them who they voted for and they replied, 'none of your farking business.'
 
2013-01-18 12:26:37 PM  

solitary: The Australian Constitution guarantees "freedom of political expression" - should we borrow an amendment?

 
2013-01-18 12:27:18 PM  

hammettman: Still, owner in story adds to the concrete evidence that conservatives and liberals are spiteful dicks


Fixed. A quick google shows dozens, just on the first page, of stories about people being fired for being conservative.
 
2013-01-18 12:27:20 PM  

kombat_unit: tricycleracer: This guy is bound for failure...

...which he'll blame on Obama.

He can't lose.

It's cool, he didn't build his business.


Apologies in advance if you were being sarcastic (Poe's Law)

Is disregard for context a mental disorder for conservatives? Yes, I'm sure that this boot strappy business owner built the highways and bridges for customers to come to his store; educated his workers from grades K-12 so they could interact with customers and do tasks proficiently; and invented the Internet to allow for easy advertising and communication.

Why the fark does everything have to be reduced to bumper sticker slogans for Republicans? Here's the original quote some folks lack the intellectual curiosity to look it up.

"There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me - because they want to give something back. They know they didn't - look, if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own. You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something - there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don't do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That's how we funded the GI Bill. That's how we created the middle class. That's how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That's how we invented the Internet. That's how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that's the reason I'm running for President - because I still believe in that idea. You're not on your own, we're in this together."
 
2013-01-18 12:30:01 PM  

kombat_unit: lostcat: In a country founded by descendents of people who ostensibly were fleeing persecution, you'd think that people would be a bit more sensitive about persecuting others.

Umm, this country was founded by rich American lawyers pissed off that rich English lawyers were cutting them out of the pie.


Thus the word "ostensibly."

I'm guessing that this guy is a ferverent believer in the history as taught in public school.
 
2013-01-18 12:30:10 PM  

madgonad: Pocket Ninja doesn't need an alt account to practice his art - and if he had one it surely isn't spentmiles.


Yeah, you're right. spentmiles is funnier.

madgonad: And yes, while spentmiles is trying to be entertaining, underneath it all he is still just a tool. I do like what he is doing now better than the last couple years of trolling, but you can't unring a bell. (or get off my favorites list)


Both of them pale in comparison to StopArrestingMe.
 
2013-01-18 12:31:00 PM  

kombat_unit: Umm, this country was founded by rich American lawyers pissed off that rich English lawyers were cutting them out of the pie.


Also drunks and drug dealers. Don't forget them, they're an integral part of the fabric of this country.
 
2013-01-18 12:33:44 PM  

Almet: The fool! He's just allowing them to go on Obongo's indefinate unemployment and 0boingboingcare and 0bama-llama phones!


HELL-yeah! Just got the letters Tuesday: Since Obama extended the UI, got another 13 weeks extension at $412 per week, then ANOTHER new claim, automatically following that, at $205 per week for 26 weeks - plus another 67 weeks of extensions for that claim.

And Monday we were notified we could start hunting for a Section 8 apartment. We'll be paying 30% of our combined monthly "income" for it, the taxpayers picking up the rest.

THANKS, taxpayers!
 
2013-01-18 12:33:53 PM  

JollyMagistrate: They might not be able to sue based upon protected class but they could sue for wrongful termination. Political affiliation does not constitute poor work performance nor does it guarantee the employer carteblanche for removal. They may have trouble if they are in a "right to work/fire" state, but there is certainly footholds for legal action with this.


Um, actually, no. They can't. Utah (where this occurred) is an at-will employment state. That means the employer can terminate the employee at any time, with or without cause, so long as the employee is not terminated for any reason that appears to violate the list of reasons covered by Equal Opportunity (and complaints that give the appearance are investigated rigorously--just because it gives the appearance to you doesn't mean that the investigation will go in your favor. I've witnessed two such investigations and EEOC turns over every stone--if there is discrimination, they will find it).

At will employment means that your employer can terminate your employment at any time, for no reason or for any reason (except those prohibited by law--race, religion, disability...see the list on page one), and the reason doesn't have to have anything to do with your work performance. In fact, the reason could be, literally, anything so long as it doesn't violate EO...which does not cover political affiliation. If they try to sue and they go with an EO angle, they won't get very far unless they get a judge who legislates from the bench. If that happens, if the smoothie maker's lawyer is smart, he'll push it to the Supreme Court... and he will win if the Justices have the good sense to do what they did with Obamacare and kick it back to Congress, where it belongs.

TL;DR - we don't have to like it, but this isn't a court issue, it's a legislative one. Currently, the laws favor the businesses, not the workers, and they have since the 40's. Want to change it? Contact a State Congresscritter and push like that 19 year old kid there was an article on the other day.
 
2013-01-18 12:35:07 PM  

madgonad: Maybe the terminated employees will exercise their second amendment rights?


The guy's an asshat and deserves a fine and/or to see his business suffer, but shooting him seems a little harsh.

Now, if was lost so much business and/or got hit with a fine so bad that he had to go on unemployment or welfare, that would be some lovely ironic justice.
 
2013-01-18 12:36:08 PM  
So the attention whore asshole continues to be an attention whore asshole... this is my complete lack of surprise.
 
2013-01-18 12:36:17 PM  
I bet if you ask this small business owner how much "Obamacare" would actually cost him he couldn't pull a single number of the air.  And if he doesn't have enough business to justify those workers then why did he hire them in the first place?

/most small business people aren't the brightest bulbs in the world
 
2013-01-18 12:37:01 PM  

Aigoo: push like that 19 year old kid there was an article on the other day.


the one changin laws or teh one banging his teacher?
 
2013-01-18 12:37:11 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: THANKS, taxpayers!


As a fellow American citizen, I would prefer that your basic human needs were supplied for rather than you getting shoved out on the street to fend for yourself. However, given your posting record, this does indicate you don't have the proof of your convictions and would prefer to be a "leech" rather than be "bootstrappy". So noted.
 
2013-01-18 12:39:56 PM  
Don 't worry. I'm sure Obama will take care of all their expenses.
 
2013-01-18 12:39:57 PM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-01-18 12:40:04 PM  

trapped-in-CH: And he'll be the first one to cry foul if the Obama supporters stop shopping there.


Oh no, he'll blame his shop closing on Obongocare which he dodged providiong anyway. And those taxes that went up on him, but can't name exactly which tax went up.

You know, party of personal responsibility and all that.
 
2013-01-18 12:40:16 PM  

Diogenes: Dimensio: gja: lawsuits in 4....3....2....1

As noted in the article, the owner violated no laws in terminating employees based upon political affiliation.

Perhaps.  Still an asshole.


And very petty. It also calls into question his logic and decision making, plus hurts his business in the long term as people will not want to deal with someone who will drop them based on opinions that do not impact their work.
 
2013-01-18 12:41:07 PM  

Opus Croakus: Eh, FTA it just sounds like he fired two employees for other reasons and then decided to troll for from free advertising


I think the 'other reasons' are just the math you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better.
 
2013-01-18 12:41:58 PM  
Been looking through his FB, I really liked this one:
sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2013-01-18 12:42:01 PM  

StrangeQ: He can fire them for whatever reason he wants. But unless it was for something truly justifiable (constantly being late for shifts, harassing management or other workers, creating an unsafe or unsanitary work environment, ect) they can claim unemployment afterwards. Since in this case it is clear he is just an ignorant, asshole redneck, there is no way he will be able to fight their unemployment claims. When his unemployment insurance providers learn that he is just firing people because he is an ignorant, partisan hack and thus causing them to shell out money, they could possibly decide to raise his rates. They wouldn't have to, but he seems like he's made himself into too good a target not to. So yeah, stupid redneck will hopefully be reaping ripping exactly what he has sewn. Of course, then he'll probably blame that on "obongo" too, because of course, nothing is ever a conservative's fault.


Sorry, pet peave.
 
2013-01-18 12:42:07 PM  
This guy doesn't even have a website. (Terrylee.com redirects to a honda dealer) If he fired two employees, then he must have negative two employees now. This isn't even worth getting worked up over.
 
2013-01-18 12:42:20 PM  

gja: lawsuits in 4....3....2....1


Except that neither Federal or Utah state law prohibits people from being fired over political affiliation and that Utah is an "at will" state, means that as long as the employer has a valid reason to fire such as performance, the person can still collect unemployment. There are also clauses in the event someone is fired for performance that they may have to sign to agree NOT to sue.

So, your argument is invalid. Have a smoothie.
 
2013-01-18 12:43:16 PM  
that's some quality readin' there, subs
 
2013-01-18 12:43:37 PM  

Heraclitus: Maybe they can claim being liberal is a disability...


It is a mental disorder
 
2013-01-18 12:43:38 PM  

namatad: Mazzic518: gja: lawsuits in 4....3....2....1

Your political party is not a protected group under EOC

funny, but neither were any of the other things until very recently.

things we might see protected soon:
political orientation
sexual orientation


plus, I thought there were laws against this from back in the days of company towns and union busting


If it is an at-will work or w/e they call it state they can fire you for w/e they want and just make up a reason
 
2013-01-18 12:43:43 PM  
So... 2 contract employees were let go by a guy that has a business small enough to be exempt from the mandatory provisions. He admits that business had slowed, and being a computer forensics company means either crimes requiring his services have been in decline (good for public, bad for his business) or his company sucks ass at what they do enough to where local law enforcement is going to other service providers (bad for everyone).

I am not disappointed in his choice to let those 2 contractors go, that is his prerogative. I am disappointed that someone in the press felt that this was enough of a news worthy story to print.
 
2013-01-18 12:45:00 PM  

H31N0US: Good, now they can go get jobs working for someone who isn't an asshole about providing healthcare for his workers.


If they had the option of working for someone besides this asshole, they would have been doing that already.
 
2013-01-18 12:45:59 PM  
solitary


Why do you hate democracy Smoothie Man?


Now you just have to ask the other guy in the article who fired 2 people.

Smoothie man was the one who charged more. 2 different businesses.
 
2013-01-18 12:46:00 PM  
sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2013-01-18 12:46:13 PM  
He runs a forensics lab that the police there use... I doubt his business will suffer an iota. Sadly.

That said... I REALLY question the quality of the scientific work produced by an outfit led by that idiot. For instance:
"They were Obama supporters. We just knew they were," Lee said.
...and
"Is your political affiliation protected?" he added, explaining that he thought what he did was not illegal. "I don't believe it is, but I don't know."

...and the fact that Obamacare has squat to do with his business unless he hires 43 more employees to add to the 7 he has left - a growth of his company by more than 5 times its current size! So he doesn't know for sure he fired Obama supporters but just who in his gut he thought were Obama supporters, he fired people without even knowing for certain he wasn't commiting an illegal act and all because he wrongly believes Obamacare will apply to his business. Oh yeah, and he's racist too.

Yeah, that's EXACTLY the kind of guy I want the police sendig my forensic evidence off to. I'm so sure we can expect impartial, unbiased, professionally handled scientific work products to come from his business.

/sarcasm off
Hmmmnn.... Come to think of it, that's probably exactly what why the police like to use him...
 
2013-01-18 12:46:20 PM  
Either this guy is really terrible at what he does or he fired them for other reasons and wants to sound like a badass conservative
 
2013-01-18 12:46:52 PM  

cbathrob: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dimensio: gja: lawsuits in 4....3....2....1

As noted in the article, the owner violated no laws in terminating employees based upon political affiliation.

This. It appears that most Farkers have not RTFA.

Political affiliation is a protected trait only if you are a government employee.

CSB:

Knew an old guy at the Tustin post office with 50 years service. (he refused to retire and get his pension since his ex-wife would get part of it). Now this guy WAS a gold-plated stereotype for the uber-conservative know-nothing meme. Made Ronald Reagan seem like a squishy liberal. He would get into farking political arguments with customers, and when talking with like-minded people would loudly complain about the mindlessness of liberals. USPS management couldn't touch him.

/CSB

Should have asked him why he worked for a socialist organization like the US Postal Service. Surely a rugged, bootstrappy guy like him could have found better work in the private sector? No? Well, then he was just a big-government parasite--no better than a liberal! That would have been a fun conversation.


Not sure if serious.... (reads profile)... yep, you're serious. Somewhat overused and boring Straw Man there, Timmy. Also Broken Context, elements of Hasty Generalization, and other assorted bullshiat lines of argument.

Please try to pay close attention now, Tim-Tim: many if not most conservatives believe that government does, indeed, have legitimate functions. ONE of those functions, mentioned in fact in the Constitution (Section 8) is the establishment of Post Offices.

So your silly bankrupt point is actually pointless. Please get a new routine, Timmy; this one needs some rotten tomatoes thrown at it.

Your Bestest Friend
JAOCHG

kthksby
 
2013-01-18 12:47:03 PM  

Almet: The fool! By firing his employees without just cause, he's enabling them to go on undefinate unemployment and welfare. He's doing exactly by 0bungalowbob wants!


www.rankopedia.com
A classic blunder!
 
2013-01-18 12:49:54 PM  
This guy's just admitting to what I know for a fact goes on behind the scenes a lot anyway.
 
2013-01-18 12:49:57 PM  

Weaver95: Dimensio: gja: lawsuits in 4....3....2....1

As noted in the article, the owner violated no laws in terminating employees based upon political affiliation.

true...but I hope he doesn't have any competitors 'cause that's one HELL of an advertising campaign right there.  'don't spend money at this asshole's place - come to my establishment, where we don't give a flying f*ck about politics, we focus on delivering a quality product at decent prices and as a bonus, we won't talk about politics AT ALL!'


This.
 
2013-01-18 12:50:17 PM  

darkscout: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_class
...
Genetic information - Federal: Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act


But political affiliation is a genetic predisposition! :-o

/Yes I know that's not what the law means
 
2013-01-18 12:50:35 PM  

skullkrusher: that's some quality readin' there, subs


Who's more the fool? The subby, or the thread that follows them?
 
2013-01-18 12:50:38 PM  
Sounds like he picked the low hanging fruit at his business to cut costs his accountant told him to mitigate, after already having declining business. The two people he fired were part time contractors, so it stands to question what, if any, healthcare benefits he would've provided to them in the first place, but I digress. The point is he's a dick.
 
2013-01-18 12:51:31 PM  

madgonad: James F. Campbell: spentmiles: I'm wearing my MegaCorpse tee-shirt with a baby in a microwave on the back (I also sold tee shirts at death metal shows), black combat boots, and ass tight jeans. I turn back and say to her, "What's up sweetie?"

You're going to have to get a lot better at writing coherent narratives before you can sell your fanfiction on Amazon, PN.

Pocket Ninja doesn't need an alt account to practice his art - and if he had one it surely isn't spentmiles. And yes, while spentmiles is trying to be entertaining, underneath it all he is still just a tool. I do like what he is doing now better than the last couple years of trolling, but you can't unring a bell. (or get off my favorites list)


You can sell fanfiction on amazon?
 
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