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2013-01-18 11:02:48 AM
No one is perfect.
 
2013-01-18 11:02:59 AM
I thought you said "MImesweeper stuck on Shields and Yarnel."

/Shields and Yarnel have no comment
 
2013-01-18 11:24:10 AM
Career fast track!
 
2013-01-18 11:27:59 AM
On a positive note, at least they didn't hit a mine
 
2013-01-18 11:32:51 AM
Sometimes those last few zones are purely luck-based. =/
 
2013-01-18 12:01:23 PM
Some environmental group sues U.S. for irreparable environmental damage and being a giant poopy-head with their boats and ships and military imperialism and all, in 10... 9... 8...
 
2013-01-18 12:09:50 PM
Must have left-clicked by accident.
 
2013-01-18 12:11:10 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

Good luck.
 
2013-01-18 12:12:15 PM
"Sorry, boys... It seems we've run out of ocean."
 
2013-01-18 12:12:37 PM
Obvious case of Reefer Madness.
 
2013-01-18 12:12:45 PM
They captain had had enough.  He wanted out, but still had weeks to go in his current duty.  He had to do something or risk going crazy.  It was reef or madness.

/you're trying to hard, idiot weasel.
 
2013-01-18 12:12:55 PM
Good G'reef!
 
2013-01-18 12:13:20 PM
"The site is an excellent example of a pristine coral reef with a spectacular 100-meter perpendicular wall, extensive lagoons and two coral islands,"

(best Clouseau voice)

...Not Anymore.
 
2013-01-18 12:14:11 PM
There ought to be a law against this!
 
2013-01-18 12:14:36 PM

CygnusDarius: [upload.wikimedia.org image 170x259]

Good luck.


Those are mines. You sposed to axe permission.
 
2013-01-18 12:15:36 PM
When asked for advice, Al Gore told them to wait it out. Sea level should be rising by 3 meters any day now.
 
2013-01-18 12:15:50 PM

CygnusDarius: [upload.wikimedia.org image 170x259]

Good luck.


Came for this. Leaving happy.
 
2013-01-18 12:15:51 PM
This is a reef, your call.
 
2013-01-18 12:16:07 PM
"You see that flash of light in the corner of your eye? That's your career dissipation light. It just went into high gear."
 
2013-01-18 12:16:30 PM
Sometimes there's hidden rocks that aren't on the charts and are really hard to see. Sometimes, there's this:

i2.cdn.turner.com
 
2013-01-18 12:17:03 PM
How the hell could he not sea that coming? Now the ship is going to have to be reefurbished, the marines will have even more of a reason to make fun of us, and we'll have even less semen to man boats next year!
 
2013-01-18 12:17:26 PM
This would never have happened if we hadn't banned dichlorodifluoromethane, farktards.
 
2013-01-18 12:17:28 PM
The captain of that ship is sooooo grounded.
 
2013-01-18 12:18:32 PM
There's an O-5 who won't make O-6.
 
2013-01-18 12:18:49 PM

Rufus Lee King: But did they find out who had eaten the strawberries?

[b.vimeocdn.com image 640x340]



And who doesn't love that movie?
 
2013-01-18 12:19:38 PM
They use these as minesweepers now?

cdn.theatlantic.com
 
2013-01-18 12:22:33 PM

UberDave: Rufus Lee King: But did they find out who had eaten the strawberries?

[b.vimeocdn.com image 640x340]


And who doesn't love that movie?


lemme help

padresteve.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-18 12:23:26 PM
ESO - ESO - ESO

/Ahoy! RTFM
 
2013-01-18 12:23:49 PM

drberman: There's an O-5 who won't make O-6.


Correction: There's an O-4 who won't make O-5.
 
2013-01-18 12:26:02 PM
Why do we have mine sweepers? When was the last time someone used mines in the ocean or in rivers? 'Nam?
 
2013-01-18 12:26:47 PM
"The 224-foot-long,1,312-ton ship was on its way from Subic Bay to its next port call when it struck the Tubbataha Reef".

Wow, didn't realize US Navy ships have returned to docking at Subic. Back in the day, Olongapo was known as the Sin City capital of the Philippines. I'm sure some of you old Navy farkers have CSBs to tell about that port (excluding FlyNavy, of course).
 
2013-01-18 12:26:50 PM
You don't want those mines man, forget about them.
images.wikia.com
 
2013-01-18 12:27:01 PM

you have pee hands: Sometimes there's hidden rocks that aren't on the charts and are really hard to see. Sometimes, there's this:

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]


"Ooooh, look at all the pretty, feathery white caps over there! Helmsman, set course zero-nine-potato so we can get a closer look! Yaaaaaay!"
 
2013-01-18 12:27:42 PM

xynix: Why do we have mine sweepers? When was the last time someone used mines in the ocean or in rivers? 'Nam?


tacticalfacepalm.jpg
 
2013-01-18 12:30:47 PM
Captain didn't get the message about Apple maps?
 
2013-01-18 12:31:26 PM
"The site is an excellent example of a pristine coral reef with a spectacular 100-meter perpendicular wall, extensive lagoons and two coral islands," according to the UNESCO website.

The URL was amended later to read :
"The site was an excellent example of a pristine coral reef with a spectacular 100-meter perpendicular wall, extensive lagoons and two coral islands," according to the UNESCO website.
 
2013-01-18 12:31:32 PM

GasDude: "The 224-foot-long,1,312-ton ship was on its way from Subic Bay to its next port call when it struck the Tubbataha Reef".

Wow, didn't realize US Navy ships have returned to docking at Subic. Back in the day, Olongapo was known as the Sin City capital of the Philippines. I'm sure some of you old Navy farkers have CSBs to tell about that port (excluding FlyNavy, of course).


I spent some time there.
/CSB
 
2013-01-18 12:31:54 PM

xynix: Why do we have mine sweepers? When was the last time someone used mines in the ocean or in rivers? 'Nam?


Iran loves them

Link
 
2013-01-18 12:32:04 PM

drberman: drberman: There's an O-5 who won't make O-6.

Correction: There's an O-4 who won't make O-5.


That was my thought as well. I wonder if he "knew" a shortcut?
 
2013-01-18 12:33:11 PM
As those are made of fiberglass over wood the repairs might be a little tricky.
 
2013-01-18 12:33:54 PM
I thought it said MIME sweeper.

www.joachim-breitner.de
 
2013-01-18 12:35:05 PM

xynix: Why do we have mine sweepers? When was the last time someone used mines in the ocean or in rivers? 'Nam?


Too lazy to find less derpy source.
 
2013-01-18 12:35:24 PM
www.broadside.net
 
2013-01-18 12:35:43 PM

xynix: Why do we have mine sweepers? When was the last time someone used mines in the ocean or in rivers? 'Nam?


Minesweepers had to be deployed to Libya to clear mines.
 
2013-01-18 12:36:00 PM
You don't avoid reefs with minesweeping equipment. You avoid reefs with ultra precise GPS, powerful engines, and high tech course plotting computers... oh wait...
 
2013-01-18 12:37:19 PM

blatz514: They use these as minesweepers now?

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 850x533]


i478.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-18 12:39:16 PM
Question for the Navy Farkers, how many careers just ended? I can imagine the captain, but who else is toast in a situation like this? What about people that had nothing to do with the incident, are they still tainted just by being on board?
 
2013-01-18 12:39:47 PM
Maybe the captain just wanted to impress his girlfriend and let her drive the boat.
 
2013-01-18 12:41:02 PM

blatz514: They use these as minesweepers now?

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 850x533]


FTFY

img802.imageshack.us
 
2013-01-18 12:41:34 PM
i290.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-18 12:42:16 PM

onyxruby: Question for the Navy Farkers, how many careers just ended? I can imagine the captain, but who else is toast in a situation like this? What about people that had nothing to do with the incident, are they still tainted just by being on board?


Once in WWII a destroyer, during exercises, accidentally fired a live torpedo at the USS Iowa (or maybe one of the Iowa's sister ships) while FDR was aboard. They sent the entire crew to the Aleutians for the rest of the war.
 
2013-01-18 12:42:34 PM

onyxruby: Question for the Navy Farkers, how many careers just ended? I can imagine the captain, but who else is toast in a situation like this? What about people that had nothing to do with the incident, are they still tainted just by being on board?


The OOD is done. That might have been the Captain and in turn shielded others since he'll be the fall guy, if the OOD is not the Captain, the Captain is likely done because he gave the guy control of the ship. In other cases they might also decide others fed bad info to the OOD and that would be the end of their careers as well. In general if you were on the bridge or lookout duty at the time of the impact, shiat just got awkward at the very least.
 
2013-01-18 12:44:07 PM

you have pee hands: onyxruby: Question for the Navy Farkers, how many careers just ended? I can imagine the captain, but who else is toast in a situation like this? What about people that had nothing to do with the incident, are they still tainted just by being on board?

Once in WWII a destroyer, during exercises, accidentally fired a live torpedo at the USS Iowa (or maybe one of the Iowa's sister ships) while FDR was aboard. They sent the entire crew to the Aleutians for the rest of the war.


The Iowa also considered blowing the destroyer out of the water due to concern it was an attempt to kill FDR. The destroyer had the unpleasant sight of seeing the Iowa's main guns swivel in their direction.
 
2013-01-18 12:46:12 PM
Well at least we know where Captain Joseph Hazelwood went to revive his nautical career...
 
2013-01-18 12:48:16 PM

you have pee hands: Sometimes there's hidden rocks that aren't on the charts and are really hard to see. Sometimes, there's this:

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]


You know, speaking as a sailor, there is really no excuse for this. You are supposed to have, in addition to every freakin' chart (paper and electronic), GPS gadget, and God-level RADAR and SONAR (including the useful-for-a-minesweeper forward-pointing scanners), a whole bunch of crew who are supposed to hang out outside the bridge scanning the surroundings with binoculars, night-vision and regular.

So unless they lost power and drifted on the reef in, say, a storm (because they could've dropped anchor, too), this is inexcusable. If it was relatively calm weather, you can HEAR the surf on the reef. Proper lookouts have zillion candle lights to see the surf, ears to hear the surf and the aforementioned nine types of navigational sensors that should have preset depths and distances that go AH-OOGAH! when you fetch up a quarter-mile (or whatever) off the point of buffing out.

The boat looks like it ran squarely onto the reef. There are very few excuses that don't involve "negligence of duty", "incompetence" and "massive bong hits".

/the front will fall off.
 
2013-01-18 12:49:38 PM

xynix: Why do we have mine sweepers? When was the last time someone used mines in the ocean or in rivers? 'Nam?


Oh, you are so wise. Get a clue...or say nothing.
 
2013-01-18 12:50:04 PM
I guess the captain has a future job working for Exxon....
 
2013-01-18 12:50:30 PM
The cause of the grounding was under investigation, the Navy said.

They just left Subic Bay so I'm guessing the court martial will say something about the after effects of too much liquor and whores but, you know, in Pentagon bureaucrat terminology.Apparently Subic Bay compared favorably with Patpong in Bangkok according some of my Navy acquaintances. I think it was fewer lady boys or it just might have been more lady boys.
 
2013-01-18 12:50:42 PM

xynix: Why do we have mine sweepers? When was the last time someone used mines in the ocean or in rivers? 'Nam?


2016 during the Third World War
guides.gamepressure.com

/I remember it as if I were there
 
2013-01-18 12:51:58 PM
Someone is going to get a court marshal.
 
2013-01-18 12:52:11 PM

ha-ha-guy: you have pee hands: onyxruby: Question for the Navy Farkers, how many careers just ended? I can imagine the captain, but who else is toast in a situation like this? What about people that had nothing to do with the incident, are they still tainted just by being on board?

Once in WWII a destroyer, during exercises, accidentally fired a live torpedo at the USS Iowa (or maybe one of the Iowa's sister ships) while FDR was aboard. They sent the entire crew to the Aleutians for the rest of the war.

The Iowa also considered blowing the destroyer out of the water due to concern it was an attempt to kill FDR. The destroyer had the unpleasant sight of seeing the Iowa's main guns swivel in their direction.


According to Wikipedia, the entire crew didn't spend the entire rest of the war in the Aleutians. One guy got sentenced to hard labor, and the ship eventually came back south for the Philippines and Okinawa campaigns. It eventually sank when a kamikaze plane exploded directly underneath the ship. I get the feeling that at some point the guys constructing that ship brought a couple crates of mirrors on board, broke them, let out a herd of black cats, and followed up by sailing underneath a giant ladder on the shakedown cruise.
 
2013-01-18 12:54:31 PM

onyxruby: Question for the Navy Farkers, how many careers just ended? I can imagine the captain, but who else is toast in a situation like this? What about people that had nothing to do with the incident, are they still tainted just by being on board?


Maybe not the captain, if he/she was off-watch. The watchstanders, the XO, and various "machines that go PING" operators, yeah, chuck 'em overboard.

The captain could be found to have run a loose or improperly trained ship, however, or could be sunk as a warning to the lower tier of scow drivers.
 
2013-01-18 12:54:47 PM

ha-ha-guy: you have pee hands: onyxruby: Question for the Navy Farkers, how many careers just ended? I can imagine the captain, but who else is toast in a situation like this? What about people that had nothing to do with the incident, are they still tainted just by being on board?

Once in WWII a destroyer, during exercises, accidentally fired a live torpedo at the USS Iowa (or maybe one of the Iowa's sister ships) while FDR was aboard. They sent the entire crew to the Aleutians for the rest of the war.

The Iowa also considered blowing the destroyer out of the water due to concern it was an attempt to kill FDR. The destroyer had the unpleasant sight of seeing the Iowa's main guns swivel in their direction.


Really? CSB. Here I thought I had seen and read everything regarding WWII.
 
2013-01-18 12:56:29 PM
FTFA:"The cause of the grounding was under investigation, the Navy said."

I'm going to go with "Hit Reef". I think I saved the tax payers a lot of money.
 
2013-01-18 12:57:39 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Some environmental group sues U.S. for irreparable environmental damage and being a giant poopy-head with their boats and ships and military imperialism and all, in 10... 9... 8...


I'm not going to wait that long.....
 
2013-01-18 12:57:39 PM

Valiente: You know, speaking as a sailor, there is really no excuse for this. You are supposed to have, in addition to every freakin' chart (paper and electronic), GPS gadget, and God-level RADAR and SONAR (including the useful-for-a-minesweeper forward-pointing scanners), a whole bunch of crew who are supposed to hang out outside the bridge scanning the surroundings with binoculars, night-vision and regular.


Yeah. From the looks of that, that's a pretty embarrassing grounding if you're two guys on a fishing boat who've just split a 12 pack, let alone the farking Navy.
 
2013-01-18 12:57:53 PM

Rufus Lee King: But did they find out who had eaten the strawberries?

[b.vimeocdn.com image 640x340]


Captain Queeg:
Ahh, but the strawberries that's... that's where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt and with... geometric logic... that a duplicate key to the wardroom icebox DID exist, and I'd have produced that key if they hadn't of pulled the Caine out of action. I, I, I know now they were only trying to protect some fellow officers..
 
2013-01-18 12:59:07 PM
Ladies and gentlemen, this is a serious situation. We have discovered a major flaw in our defense systems. Just be glad that we haven't declared war on Australia. Know that we must upgrade our navy now, or we will never win this Coral War.

/Are you planning to throw or have you ever thrown a shrimp on the barbie? -- Joseph McCarthy
 
2013-01-18 12:59:28 PM

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: xynix: Why do we have mine sweepers? When was the last time someone used mines in the ocean or in rivers? 'Nam?

2016 during the Third World War
[guides.gamepressure.com image 400x250]

/I remember it as if I were there


That depends. Were you wearing your Cheetoes/Mountain Dew pattern ENYC urban assault camo? Or the MoonPie/RC Cola pattern Mossy Oak woodland camo?
 
2013-01-18 01:00:01 PM

you have pee hands: Sometimes there's hidden rocks that aren't on the charts and are really hard to see. Sometimes, there's this:

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]


There's reasons why the waves are like that. Surprised no one spotted that beforehand.
 
2013-01-18 01:00:24 PM

brandent: ha-ha-guy: you have pee hands: onyxruby: Question for the Navy Farkers, how many careers just ended? I can imagine the captain, but who else is toast in a situation like this? What about people that had nothing to do with the incident, are they still tainted just by being on board?

Once in WWII a destroyer, during exercises, accidentally fired a live torpedo at the USS Iowa (or maybe one of the Iowa's sister ships) while FDR was aboard. They sent the entire crew to the Aleutians for the rest of the war.

The Iowa also considered blowing the destroyer out of the water due to concern it was an attempt to kill FDR. The destroyer had the unpleasant sight of seeing the Iowa's main guns swivel in their direction.

Really? CSB. Here I thought I had seen and read everything regarding WWII.


That was the William D. Porter. It was not her only mishap: Pops. I know it's cracked, but it's the best compilation of that ship's farkups.
 
2013-01-18 01:00:35 PM
sulu sea?
sounds gay

its ok he gave everyone permission
 
2013-01-18 01:00:43 PM

Karac: ha-ha-guy: you have pee hands: onyxruby: Question for the Navy Farkers, how many careers just ended? I can imagine the captain, but who else is toast in a situation like this? What about people that had nothing to do with the incident, are they still tainted just by being on board?

Once in WWII a destroyer, during exercises, accidentally fired a live torpedo at the USS Iowa (or maybe one of the Iowa's sister ships) while FDR was aboard. They sent the entire crew to the Aleutians for the rest of the war.

The Iowa also considered blowing the destroyer out of the water due to concern it was an attempt to kill FDR. The destroyer had the unpleasant sight of seeing the Iowa's main guns swivel in their direction.

According to Wikipedia, the entire crew didn't spend the entire rest of the war in the Aleutians. One guy got sentenced to hard labor, and the ship eventually came back south for the Philippines and Okinawa campaigns. It eventually sank when a kamikaze plane exploded directly underneath the ship. I get the feeling that at some point the guys constructing that ship brought a couple crates of mirrors on board, broke them, let out a herd of black cats, and followed up by sailing underneath a giant ladder on the shakedown cruise.


Also it became something of a running joke to signal that ship "don't shoot at us, we are Republicans"
 
2013-01-18 01:01:26 PM

vudukungfu: "The site is an excellent example of a pristine coral reef with a spectacular 100-meter perpendicular wall, extensive lagoons and two coral islands," according to the UNESCO website.

The URL was amended later to read :
"The site was an excellent example of a pristine coral reef with a spectacular 100-meter perpendicular wall, extensive lagoons and two coral islands," according to the UNESCO website.


How far up on the reef did they get? The picture looks like it ran aground from the bow to about midships. Since the reef is farked now anyway, have they considered hooking up towboats to the stern and just pulling it out backwards?
And I know they haven't had GPS for a long long time, but hasn't Sonar been around since WWII? Even without that how many people are on the bridge at any given time watching the area around the ship and what about on deck?
 
2013-01-18 01:03:37 PM

Scarlioni: Someone is going to get a court marshal.


Yup, and he'll drag the captain off to a court martial.
 
2013-01-18 01:03:59 PM
This is only a small part of the nav gear visible on the bridge of a 20-year-old Canadian frigate, a warship about twice the size of the S.S. Minnow in question, but more or less equivalent in bridge layout.

i169.photobucket.com
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There's more, but these are just the shots that wouldn't baffle a civilian. There would be, even in the middle of the night, four to six people on that bridge, plus one crew either side eyeballing the horizon.
 
2013-01-18 01:04:25 PM

WTP 2: sulu sea?
sounds gay


Oh, my!
 
2013-01-18 01:06:11 PM

you have pee hands: Valiente: You know, speaking as a sailor, there is really no excuse for this. You are supposed to have, in addition to every freakin' chart (paper and electronic), GPS gadget, and God-level RADAR and SONAR (including the useful-for-a-minesweeper forward-pointing scanners), a whole bunch of crew who are supposed to hang out outside the bridge scanning the surroundings with binoculars, night-vision and regular.

Yeah. From the looks of that, that's a pretty embarrassing grounding if you're two guys on a fishing boat who've just split a 12 pack, let alone the farking Navy.


It's what I'd expect from a jetskier on meth.
 
2013-01-18 01:06:38 PM
Just think of the threatened and endangered marine species!
images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-01-18 01:09:09 PM
i1357.photobucket.com
mostly
 
2013-01-18 01:09:55 PM

ha-ha-guy: onyxruby: Question for the Navy Farkers, how many careers just ended? I can imagine the captain, but who else is toast in a situation like this? What about people that had nothing to do with the incident, are they still tainted just by being on board?

The OOD is done. That might have been the Captain and in turn shielded others since he'll be the fall guy, if the OOD is not the Captain, the Captain is likely done because he gave the guy control of the ship. In other cases they might also decide others fed bad info to the OOD and that would be the end of their careers as well. In general if you were on the bridge or lookout duty at the time of the impact, shiat just got awkward at the very least.


Why can't he just tell his boss, "sorry, it won't happen again"? Tell him it takes some time getting the hang of driving this boat around. And if people were perfect, then pencils wouldn't have erasers.

They don't have to go and give the guy a hard time, Im sure he feels bad about it as it is.
 
2013-01-18 01:10:48 PM
The cause of the grounding was under investigation, Navy says

Um, maybe the depth was less than the ship's draught?

CSB:

My ex's brother is a plank-holder on the USS Warrior (MCM-10). If you ever get the chance to attend a commissioning ceremony, it's pretty impressive, and not to be missed.

/CSB
 
2013-01-18 01:12:57 PM

ArgusRun: xynix: Why do we have mine sweepers? When was the last time someone used mines in the ocean or in rivers? 'Nam?

Iran loves them

Link


In th e1980s Iran laid mines in the Persian Gulf


Tanker Hits Mine Off Kuwait

Mines: Will They Sink The U.S. Navy?

The commercial tanker BRIDGETON and

U.S. Navy frigate USS SAMUEL B. ROBERTS (FFG-58) both struck mines

in 1987 and 1988, respectively. During Operation Desert Storm in

1990, two U.S. Navy ships, USS TRIPOLI (LPH-10) and USS PRINCETON

(CG-59), struck mines
 
2013-01-18 01:18:17 PM
Unbelievably stupid. That was one of the worlds most pristine reefs, definitely it's most undisturbed.
All the more reason why America's budget cuts should focus on reducing the military budget and not feeling like we have to police the world when we can't sustain our own damn country at home.
 
2013-01-18 01:24:19 PM

shiattynick: Unbelievably stupid. That was one of the worlds most pristine reefs, definitely it's most undisturbed.
All the more reason why America's budget cuts should focus on reducing the military budget and not feeling like we have to police the world when we can't sustain our own damn country at home.


The only pristine thing in that area is a 7yo girl who's faster than her brothers and uncles.
 
2013-01-18 01:24:23 PM
Ban large capacity mine sweepers!
 
2013-01-18 01:27:49 PM
They should get rid of minesweepers. Any ship can be a minesweeper, once.
 
2013-01-18 01:29:14 PM

Valiente: The boat looks like it ran squarely onto the reef.


FTA, they tried to get it off at high tide. That might have altered its direction, particularly if other ships were pulling. (I'm sure that other ships are less than pleased to have to get close to the reef...)
 
2013-01-18 01:31:11 PM

onyxruby: Question for the Navy Farkers, how many careers just ended? I can imagine the captain, but who else is toast in a situation like this? What about people that had nothing to do with the incident, are they still tainted just by being on board?


Today's Navy? A lot.

There might be some overlap but at least the CO, OOD, and Navigator. A minesweeper, that might be just 2 people though...
 
2013-01-18 01:33:38 PM

you have pee hands: onyxruby: Question for the Navy Farkers, how many careers just ended? I can imagine the captain, but who else is toast in a situation like this? What about people that had nothing to do with the incident, are they still tainted just by being on board?

Once in WWII a destroyer, during exercises, accidentally fired a live torpedo at the USS Iowa (or maybe one of the Iowa's sister ships) while FDR was aboard. They sent the entire crew to the Aleutians for the rest of the war.


Holy shiatballs, it's true.

Link
 
2013-01-18 01:33:44 PM

GasDude: "The 224-foot-long,1,312-ton ship was on its way from Subic Bay to its next port call when it struck the Tubbataha Reef".

Wow, didn't realize US Navy ships have returned to docking at Subic. Back in the day, Olongapo was known as the Sin City capital of the Philippines. I'm sure some of you old Navy farkers have CSBs to tell about that port (excluding FlyNavy, of course).



Best loumpia I ever ate was in Olongapo. The bullfrog and mojo was great as well.

/I like food and drink, what can I say?
//as well as LBFM's
 
2013-01-18 01:34:20 PM

treesloth: They should get rid of minesweepers. Any ship can be a minesweeper, once.


That reminds me of a CSB:

In college I needed to find a 4 credit class and decided to enroll in the NROTC surface warfare class (as any college student could and I'd been a Marine so I was curious to see how the squids lived). One of the navigation problems was you see a ship in a channel displaying the lights (three green IIRC) that shows it is engaged in mine sweeping. What do you?

All the squids go up there and start doing calculations for how to give proper clearance and avoid the area the mine sweeper is working in. When it is my turn I walk up there, draw a U-Turn on the board and say "fark that, I'm not finding out the hard way they missed one or were wrong about where the mines were." The instructor stands there looking disgusted and finally goes "Well fark me, the entire class is dumber than the Marine."
 
2013-01-18 01:36:27 PM

hasty ambush: ArgusRun: xynix: Why do we have mine sweepers? When was the last time someone used mines in the ocean or in rivers? 'Nam?

Iran loves them

Link

In th e1980s Iran laid mines in the Persian Gulf


Tanker Hits Mine Off Kuwait

Mines: Will They Sink The U.S. Navy?

The commercial tanker BRIDGETON and

U.S. Navy frigate USS SAMUEL B. ROBERTS (FFG-58) both struck mines

in 1987 and 1988, respectively. During Operation Desert Storm in

1990, two U.S. Navy ships, USS TRIPOLI (LPH-10) and USS PRINCETON

(CG-59), struck mines


I had a good time in my 6 months on the Tripoli. The fact that it hit a mine did not surprise me in the least when I first heard about it. If the bridge crew was anything like the crew I worked with, let's just say potato.
/Shellback
//Not a squid
 
2013-01-18 01:39:10 PM

spice trader: [i1357.photobucket.com image 850x478]
mostly


First thing I thought of.
 
2013-01-18 01:39:21 PM
The reef was free of mines though, so you have to give them a little credit.
 
2013-01-18 01:39:41 PM

Valiente: onyxruby: Question for the Navy Farkers, how many careers just ended? I can imagine the captain, but who else is toast in a situation like this? What about people that had nothing to do with the incident, are they still tainted just by being on board?

Maybe not the captain, if he/she was off-watch. The watchstanders, the XO, and various "machines that go PING" operators, yeah, chuck 'em overboard.

The captain could be found to have run a loose or improperly trained ship, however, or could be sunk as a warning to the lower tier of scow drivers.



The CO ALWAYS fries. I was on the USS Ingersoll (DD-990) in '92 when we got in a collision with an oil tanker in the Straits of Malakka. The CO was a good guy, ran a pretty tight ship, was in bed asleep when it happened and he was relieved of command as soon as we tied up in Singapore for repairs.

The price you pay for command is you are responsible for any and everything that happens.
 
2013-01-18 01:40:54 PM

shiattynick: Unbelievably stupid. That was one of the worlds most pristine reefs, definitely it's most undisturbed.


Yes, it's just ruined forever now. Coral never grows back.
 
2013-01-18 01:42:21 PM

Lando Lincoln: shiattynick: Unbelievably stupid. That was one of the worlds most pristine reefs, definitely it's most undisturbed.

Yes, it's just ruined forever now. Coral never grows back.


I bet this benefited the reef, since with all the USN assets stooging around now, the Chinese and Filipino fisherman have to lie low instead of fishing illegally.
 
2013-01-18 01:45:07 PM

FarkinHostile: Valiente: onyxruby: Question for the Navy Farkers, how many careers just ended? I can imagine the captain, but who else is toast in a situation like this? What about people that had nothing to do with the incident, are they still tainted just by being on board?

Maybe not the captain, if he/she was off-watch. The watchstanders, the XO, and various "machines that go PING" operators, yeah, chuck 'em overboard.

The captain could be found to have run a loose or improperly trained ship, however, or could be sunk as a warning to the lower tier of scow drivers.


The CO ALWAYS fries. I was on the USS Ingersoll (DD-990) in '92 when we got in a collision with an oil tanker in the Straits of Malakka. The CO was a good guy, ran a pretty tight ship, was in bed asleep when it happened and he was relieved of command as soon as we tied up in Singapore for repairs.

The price you pay for command is you are responsible for any and everything that happens.


Yeah, I figured that, but there could be extenuating circumstances like "half-dead in sick bay from malaria" or something.

It's actually not that difficult to hit a tanker in the Straits of Malacca. It's super-crowded (relatively), frequently pirate-ridden, and the traffic control can be sub-par.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-01-18 01:45:13 PM

UberDave: Rufus Lee King: But did they find out who had eaten the strawberries?

[b.vimeocdn.com image 640x340]


And who doesn't love that movie?


The book's pretty good, too.
 
2013-01-18 01:46:03 PM

Gunny Walker: Ladies and gentlemen, this is a serious situation. We have discovered a major flaw in our defense systems. Just be glad that we haven't declared war on Australia. Know that we must upgrade our navy now, or we will never win this Coral War.


Reminds me of:

Captain Ron: [telling how he lost his eye] Yeah, it happened when I went down off the coast of Australia.
Katherine Harvey: Your boat sank?
Captain Ron: No, no, no, no. Not my boat. My boss's boat. Yeah, we hit this reef. Huge son-of-a-biatch. Ran the whole coast.
Katherine Harvey: Wait. The Great Barrier Reef?
Captain Ron: You've heard of it, huh? Smart lady.
 
2013-01-18 01:49:41 PM

Valiente: you have pee hands: Sometimes there's hidden rocks that aren't on the charts and are really hard to see. Sometimes, there's this:

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]

You know, speaking as a sailor, there is really no excuse for this. You are supposed to have, in addition to every freakin' chart (paper and electronic), GPS gadget, and God-level RADAR and SONAR (including the useful-for-a-minesweeper forward-pointing scanners), a whole bunch of crew who are supposed to hang out outside the bridge scanning the surroundings with binoculars, night-vision and regular.

So unless they lost power and drifted on the reef in, say, a storm (because they could've dropped anchor, too), this is inexcusable. If it was relatively calm weather, you can HEAR the surf on the reef. Proper lookouts have zillion candle lights to see the surf, ears to hear the surf and the aforementioned nine types of navigational sensors that should have preset depths and distances that go AH-OOGAH! when you fetch up a quarter-mile (or whatever) off the point of buffing out.

The boat looks like it ran squarely onto the reef. There are very few excuses that don't involve "negligence of duty", "incompetence" and "massive bong hits".

/the front will fall off.


THIS case may well have been inexcusable, but iirc, one of the big civvy liners ran aground off Cape Cod a few years back, hit an uncharted rock in what should have been plenty of water, despite having the depth gauge running, etc...sometimes, shiat happens.

But yeah, someone's career probably just plateaued.
 
2013-01-18 01:49:49 PM

FarkinHostile: The CO ALWAYS fries. I was on the USS Ingersoll (DD-990) in '92 when we got in a collision with an oil tanker in the Straits of Malakka. The CO was a good guy, ran a pretty tight ship, was in bed asleep when it happened and he was relieved of command as soon as we tied up in Singapore for repairs.

The price you pay for command is you are responsible for any and everything that happens.


t2.gstatic.com

She's into Malakka's Dino...
 
2013-01-18 01:51:52 PM

drberman: There's an O-5 who won't make O-6.


His new pay grade went to o-shiat
 
2013-01-18 01:52:14 PM

xevian: you have pee hands: Sometimes there's hidden rocks that aren't on the charts and are really hard to see. Sometimes, there's this:

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]

There's reasons why the waves are like that. Surprised no one spotted that beforehand.


Sea state and/or tide could've changed between grounding and picture.
 
2013-01-18 01:53:54 PM

Valiente: It's actually not that difficult to hit a tanker in the Straits of Malacca. It's super-crowded (relatively), frequently pirate-ridden, and the traffic control can be sub-par.


Doesn't help when the dickhead OOD was doing 25kts at night, and ignored the helmsman warning and heading recommendation until it was too late, THEN called for a 5 degree turn the wrong way, putting us smack dab in their path.

That farker should have been broken and retired. Don't know what happened to him.
 
2013-01-18 01:56:48 PM
The Captain will be transfering to the USS Walter Mondale the finest laundry ship in the navy
 
2013-01-18 01:57:34 PM

Schmee: The cause of the grounding was under investigation, Navy says

Um, maybe the depth was less than the ship's draught?

CSB:

My ex's brother is a plank-holder on the USS Warrior (MCM-10). If you ever get the chance to attend a commissioning ceremony, it's pretty impressive, and not to be missed.

/CSB


Maybe for those in attendance, but all the work making the ship look pretty for the event isn't very much fun for the junior enlisted plankowners. At least our CO's microphone went out during his speech and we all found it amusing.
 
2013-01-18 01:57:55 PM

FTDA: GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: xynix: Why do we have mine sweepers? When was the last time someone used mines in the ocean or in rivers? 'Nam?

2016 during the Third World War
[guides.gamepressure.com image 400x250]

/I remember it as if I were there

That depends. Were you wearing your Cheetoes/Mountain Dew pattern ENYC urban assault camo? Or the MoonPie/RC Cola pattern Mossy Oak woodland camo?


I don't recall being able to mod weapons in the campaign mode. I believe I was drinking Blue at the time though.
 
2013-01-18 02:01:16 PM

FarkinHostile: Valiente: It's actually not that difficult to hit a tanker in the Straits of Malacca. It's super-crowded (relatively), frequently pirate-ridden, and the traffic control can be sub-par.

Doesn't help when the dickhead OOD was doing 25kts at night, and ignored the helmsman warning and heading recommendation until it was too late, THEN called for a 5 degree turn the wrong way, putting us smack dab in their path.

That farker should have been broken and retired. Don't know what happened to him.


To be fair, if the OOD is that bad, the XO or CO should have schedule it so he was on the bridge when one of them was there to watch him like a hawk. As a Marine I learned to judge the relative competency of the guys driving by how relaxed the captain was. If he's kicked back, laughing and joking (one guy even came out and threw the football with us on the deck of the LHD), then the officer is good. When the CO is sitting in his chair and eyeing the officer, he's not so good. When the CO calls a Marine up onto the bridge to stand behind the officer with orders to shoot him if he speaks, then he's really bad.
 
jvl
2013-01-18 02:01:56 PM

xevian: you have pee hands: Sometimes there's hidden rocks that aren't on the charts and are really hard to see. Sometimes, there's this:

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]

There's reasons why the waves are like that. Surprised no one spotted that beforehand.


Tides go up. Tides go down. You can't explain that.

Tide might have been inexplicably up when they hit, and the photo taken when the tide inexplicably went out. That would explain why the boat is so far out of water in the photo.
 
2013-01-18 02:02:35 PM

FarkinHostile: Valiente: It's actually not that difficult to hit a tanker in the Straits of Malacca. It's super-crowded (relatively), frequently pirate-ridden, and the traffic control can be sub-par.

Doesn't help when the dickhead OOD was doing 25kts at night, and ignored the helmsman warning and heading recommendation until it was too late, THEN called for a 5 degree turn the wrong way, putting us smack dab in their path.

That farker should have been broken and retired. Don't know what happened to him.


25 Knots at night surrounded by most of the Asian tanker and container fleet? Reminds me of the famous Melbourne-Evans collision.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cK0kolfwUw

Warning: video is creaky and stiff, but damn, it's got the facts!
 
2013-01-18 02:05:19 PM
vudukungfu: "The site is an excellent example of a pristine coral reef with a spectacular 100-meter perpendicular wall, extensive lagoons and two coral islands," according to the UNESCO website.

The URL was amended later to read :
"The site was an excellent example of a pristine coral reef with a spectacular 100-meter perpendicular wall, extensive lagoons and two coral islands," according to the UNESCO website.

How far up on the reef did they get? The picture looks like it ran aground from the bow to about midships. Since the reef is farked now anyway, have they considered hooking up towboats to the stern and just pulling it out backwards?
And I know they haven't had GPS for a long long time, but hasn't Sonar been around since WWII? Even without that how many people are on the bridge at any given time watching the area around the ship and what about on deck?


Well, 20+ years of satellite navigation isn't a long, long time compared to sextants and lead plumbs...

They may not have run aground in the same conditions the picture was taken. Tides, wind, and whatnot change. As long as it's stable and not leaking anything, they'll leave it there until they can get some air bladders under it and wait for a high(er) tide, or maybe just a more powerful tug. TFA says they tried to get it off the reef at high tide, but that probably means gently putting it in reverse, which may have swung the stern around to make it look like they ran straight into the reef.
 
2013-01-18 02:12:30 PM

spice trader: [i1357.photobucket.com image 850x478]
mostly


GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!
 
2013-01-18 02:30:21 PM
Maud Dib

Once in WWII a destroyer, during exercises, accidentally fired a live torpedo at the USS Iowa (or maybe one of the Iowa's sister ships) while FDR was aboard. They sent the entire crew to the Aleutians for the rest of the war.

Holy shiatballs, it's true.

Link


"The mishaps began in earnest with the mysterious order to escort the pride of the fleet, the big new battleship IOWA to north Africa. The night before it left Norfolk, Virginia, the W.D. Porter successfully demolished a nearby sister ship when she backed down along the other ship's side and, with her anchor, tore down railings, a life raft, the captain's gig and various other formerly valuable pieces of equipment. The Willie Dee suffered mearly a slightly scratched anchor, but her career of mayhem and destruction had begun."

bullmurph.com

HEY!
 
2013-01-18 02:30:43 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: FarkinHostile: The CO ALWAYS fries. I was on the USS Ingersoll (DD-990) in '92 when we got in a collision with an oil tanker in the Straits of Malakka. The CO was a good guy, ran a pretty tight ship, was in bed asleep when it happened and he was relieved of command as soon as we tied up in Singapore for repairs.

The price you pay for command is you are responsible for any and everything that happens.

[t2.gstatic.com image 300x168]

She's into Malakka's Dino...


Well played sir.
 
jvl
2013-01-18 02:31:44 PM

jimmyjackfunk: How far up on the reef did they get? The picture looks like it ran aground from the bow to about midships. Since the reef is farked now anyway, have they considered hooking up towboats to the stern and just pulling it out backwards?


Minesweeper hulls are made of wood.
 
2013-01-18 03:05:44 PM

ha-ha-guy: you have pee hands: onyxruby: Question for the Navy Farkers, how many careers just ended? I can imagine the captain, but who else is toast in a situation like this? What about people that had nothing to do with the incident, are they still tainted just by being on board?

Once in WWII a destroyer, during exercises, accidentally fired a live torpedo at the USS Iowa (or maybe one of the Iowa's sister ships) while FDR was aboard. They sent the entire crew to the Aleutians for the rest of the war.

The Iowa also considered blowing the destroyer out of the water due to concern it was an attempt to kill FDR. The destroyer had the unpleasant sight of seeing the Iowa's main guns swivel in their direction.


Then the crew had the unpleasant duty of finishing out their rotations without being able to change their uniforms.
 
2013-01-18 03:15:24 PM
They're called MINEsweepers, not REEFsweepers! Two completely different things.
 
2013-01-18 03:21:05 PM

onyxruby: Question for the Navy Farkers, how many careers just ended? I can imagine the captain, but who else is toast in a situation like this? What about people that had nothing to do with the incident, are they still tainted just by being on board?


Probably already answered, but...Deinitely the CO.  As an O4 he probably doesn't have too many people to protect him.  Definitely the OOD, probably the Navigator, maybe the Conning officer, maybe the quartermaster...and if the XO was on the bridge, him too.
 
2013-01-18 03:28:50 PM

leonel: REEFsweepers


Might not have happened if there was more reefer on board.
 
2013-01-18 03:42:52 PM

studs up: I had a good time in my 6 months on the Tripoli. The fact that it hit a mine did not surprise me in the least when I first heard about it. If the bridge crew was anything like the crew I worked with, let's just say potato.
/Shellback
//Not a squid


I was on the Tripoli then. The only reason we weren't at anchor was because we were taking intermittent paints from a Silkworm site in Kuwait.
 
2013-01-18 03:46:20 PM

GasDude: "The 224-foot-long,1,312-ton ship was on its way from Subic Bay to its next port call when it struck the Tubbataha Reef".

Wow, didn't realize US Navy ships have returned to docking at Subic. Back in the day, Olongapo was known as the Sin City capital of the Philippines. I'm sure some of you old Navy farkers have CSBs to tell about that port (excluding FlyNavy, of course).


Although the base has returned to Philippine control, Navy ship still make port calls there. It's a good place to blow off some steam.

Station dito Cubi Point
 
2013-01-18 03:52:46 PM

xynix: Why do we have mine sweepers? When was the last time someone used mines in the ocean or in rivers? 'Nam?


USS Samuel B Roberts hit a floating mine in the Straits of Hormuz in April of 1988
 
2013-01-18 03:57:46 PM

onyxruby: Question for the Navy Farkers, how many careers just ended? I can imagine the captain, but who else is toast in a situation like this? What about people that had nothing to do with the incident, are they still tainted just by being on board?


Depends on who was the Officer of the Deck. The Captain is screwed nonetheless. But the junior officer who was OOD is probably screwed. If the Captain was OOD at the time, only him

This kind of stuff is career killers for Officers, but less so than with Enlisted. If they can show negligence by an enlisted watch stander, helped cause the incident, they can be given NJP or a Court Martial depending on the offence. If it goes to Court Martial, the enlisted person's career is over. The Captain is screwed because they should have never approved anyone so incompetent as to hit a reef to stand watch on his ship.
 
2013-01-18 04:05:27 PM

FarkinHostile: Valiente: onyxruby: Question for the Navy Farkers, how many careers just ended? I can imagine the captain, but who else is toast in a situation like this? What about people that had nothing to do with the incident, are they still tainted just by being on board?

Maybe not the captain, if he/she was off-watch. The watchstanders, the XO, and various "machines that go PING" operators, yeah, chuck 'em overboard.

The captain could be found to have run a loose or improperly trained ship, however, or could be sunk as a warning to the lower tier of scow drivers.

The CO ALWAYS fries. I was on the USS Ingersoll (DD-990) in '92 when we got in a collision with an oil tanker in the Straits of Malakka. The CO was a good guy, ran a pretty tight ship, was in bed asleep when it happened and he was relieved of command as soon as we tied up in Singapore for repairs.

The price you pay for command is you are responsible for any and everything that happens.


Are you sure about the year? My DO's boyfriend was killed when his destroyer collided with an oiler in the Straits of Malaka. He was the DCO at the time. I could have sworn he was on the Ingersoll, but it was 1989 or 1990 when the collision occured that killed him
 
2013-01-18 04:09:07 PM

>weiserfireman: FarkinHostile: Valiente: onyxruby: Question for the Navy Farkers, how many careers just ended? I can imagine the captain, but who else is toast in a situation like this? What about people that had nothing to do with the incident, are they still tainted just by being on board?

Maybe not the captain, if he/she was off-watch. The watchstanders, the XO, and various "machines that go PING" operators, yeah, chuck 'em overboard.

The captain could be found to have run a loose or improperly trained ship, however, or could be sunk as a warning to the lower tier of scow drivers.

The CO ALWAYS fries. I was on the USS Ingersoll (DD-990) in '92 when we got in a collision with an oil tanker in the Straits of Malakka. The CO was a good guy, ran a pretty tight ship, was in bed asleep when it happened and he was relieved of command as soon as we tied up in Singapore for repairs.

The price you pay for command is you are responsible for any and everything that happens.

Are you sure about the year? My DO's boyfriend was killed when his destroyer collided with an oiler in the Straits of Malaka. He was the DCO at the time. I could have sworn he was on the Ingersoll, but it was 1989 or 1990 when the collision occured that killed him


Never mind, it was 1989, it was the USS Kincaid and the LT killed was the Navigator. My memory sucks. Should have Googled it before I replied
 
2013-01-18 04:15:36 PM

jvl: jimmyjackfunk: How far up on the reef did they get? The picture looks like it ran aground from the bow to about midships. Since the reef is farked now anyway, have they considered hooking up towboats to the stern and just pulling it out backwards?

Minesweeper hulls are made of wood.


Avenger class has their Oak Hull coated in Fiberglass for additional strength. They might be able to pull it off
 
2013-01-18 04:30:32 PM

jshine: Katherine Harvey: Wait. The Great Barrier Reef?
Captain Ron: You've heard of it, huh? Smart lady.


Do you know how the Great Barrier Reef was discovered?
The British ship which discovered Australia then went on to discover the reef.
At night.
The obvious way.
 
2013-01-18 04:36:17 PM
img802.imageshack.us

Crossing the equator in a large ship has never been easy.
 
2013-01-18 04:45:59 PM

Old_Chief_Scott: GasDude: "The 224-foot-long,1,312-ton ship was on its way from Subic Bay to its next port call when it struck the Tubbataha Reef".

Wow, didn't realize US Navy ships have returned to docking at Subic. Back in the day, Olongapo was known as the Sin City capital of the Philippines. I'm sure some of you old Navy farkers have CSBs to tell about that port (excluding FlyNavy, of course).

Although the base has returned to Philippine control, Navy ship still make port calls there. It's a good place to blow off some steam.

Station dito Cubi Point


The Navy's doing that a lot these days. They're trying to reduce the number of bases they have, opting to pay for access at various ports instead. More flexibility, less overhead, and it minimizes unused capacity.

You might also be amused to know that we'll be operating out of Cam Ranh Bay again in a year or two after they finish some upgrades to the facilities there.
 
2013-01-18 05:01:03 PM
That's nothing on the Honda Point Disaster.
Link

www.naval-history.net

That's seven, count them, seven destroyers run around. In formation. With dozens dead.
 
2013-01-18 05:13:39 PM

spice trader: [i1357.photobucket.com image 850x478]
mostly


Finally...I was expecting this...two Aliens references today too.
 
2013-01-18 05:15:47 PM

spice trader: [i1357.photobucket.com image 850x478]
mostly


Came for Newt...  Leaving satisfied.

/Mostly
 
2013-01-18 05:25:15 PM

drberman: drberman: There's an O-5 who won't make O-6.

Correction: There's an O-4 who won't make O-5.


I was gonna say.

/Not in the navy, but spent time on a minesweeper as an analyst
 
2013-01-18 05:32:48 PM
And another fine naval officer says goodbye to his career.

/ the Captain is toast, but what happens to the various junior officers that may have also been involved in this SNAFU?
 
2013-01-18 05:37:00 PM

loaba: And another fine naval officer says goodbye to his career.

/ the Captain is toast, but what happens to the various junior officers that may have also been involved in this SNAFU?


Probably toast.  Unless someone explicitly objected and was overruled, they're likely done.
 
2013-01-18 05:59:46 PM

Satanic_Hamster: That's nothing on the Honda Point Disaster.
Link

[www.naval-history.net image 540x400]

That's seven, count them, seven destroyers run around. In formation. With dozens dead.


How the fark did they manage that one?
 
2013-01-18 07:04:39 PM

Old_Chief_Scott: studs up: I had a good time in my 6 months on the Tripoli. The fact that it hit a mine did not surprise me in the least when I first heard about it. If the bridge crew was anything like the crew I worked with, let's just say potato.
/Shellback
//Not a squid

I was on the Tripoli then. The only reason we weren't at anchor was because we were taking intermittent paints from a Silkworm site in Kuwait.


Were you on the WestPac det around '86? If so, do you remember the idiots that got busted in the lower deck for launching themselves off the helicopter tie down chains during that storm that had us at 20+ degree lists? Yup, that was me.
Glad you weren't killed btw.
 
2013-01-18 07:19:34 PM

cptjeff: Satanic_Hamster: That's nothing on the Honda Point Disaster.
Link

[www.naval-history.net image 540x400]

That's seven, count them, seven destroyers run around. In formation. With dozens dead.

How the fark did they manage that one?


Wikipedia has a decent write up. In the commanding officer's defense, only seven of the fourteen ships under his command ran aground.
 
2013-01-18 08:12:59 PM

baronbloodbath: The captain of that ship is sooooo grounded.


Actually, as a non-veteran speaking, I had heard that once there is any type of "Incident" with a Navy ship, the captain automatically loses his command. So I guess he will be sailing a desk.
 
2013-01-18 08:20:43 PM

FarkinHostile: Valiente: onyxruby: Question for the Navy Farkers, how many careers just ended? I can imagine the captain, but who else is toast in a situation like this? What about people that had nothing to do with the incident, are they still tainted just by being on board?

Maybe not the captain, if he/she was off-watch. The watchstanders, the XO, and various "machines that go PING" operators, yeah, chuck 'em overboard.

The captain could be found to have run a loose or improperly trained ship, however, or could be sunk as a warning to the lower tier of scow drivers.


The CO ALWAYS fries. I was on the USS Ingersoll (DD-990) in '92 when we got in a collision with an oil tanker in the Straits of Malakka. The CO was a good guy, ran a pretty tight ship, was in bed asleep when it happened and he was relieved of command as soon as we tied up in Singapore for repairs.

The price you pay for command is you are responsible for any and everything that happens.



Holy cow !
The Ingersoll was my husbands first ship!
Farkin small world.
too early to have served with you, though.
 
2013-01-18 09:36:23 PM
CO may survive this one, looks like the chart file placed the shoal water 7+nm from its actual location. Can't avoid something if you have no way of knowing it's there...
 
2013-01-19 12:58:00 AM
Given that these days we have powerful computers, GPS, accurate tidal information, and sub-meter-resolution elevation data for nearly everywhere on earth, it's surprising that every large ship doesn't have an automatic system that warns about potential grounding.
 
2013-01-19 10:48:51 AM

Satanic_Hamster: That's nothing on the Honda Point Disaster.
Link

[www.naval-history.net image 540x400]

That's seven, count them, seven destroyers run around. In formation. With dozens dead.


Wow. Thanks for the link, I'd never heard of that incident. And it was caused, indirectly, by an earthquake on the other side of the Pacific...

I like the old-school CO, no attempts to duck the blame for him.
 
2013-01-19 02:59:54 PM

doyner: Why do we have mine sweepers


Now technically called Mine Countermeasures Ships, they are used only partially for clearing mines. They are shallow-draft (for ocean going ships) that can operate near shore. They have the ability to launch small, remotely controlled unmanned vehicles for mineclearing, which means they can also launch small, manned submersibles (i.e. SEAL operations). My nephew served on the Guardian in the 1990's and drives his father (1960's Navy vet) crazy by refusing to say what extremely classified (interesting) things they got into in the Persian Gulf.
 
2013-01-19 03:30:58 PM
You so misquoted me.
 
2013-01-19 04:50:15 PM

Party Like It's 1975: doyner: Why do we have mine sweepers

Now technically called Mine Countermeasures Ships, they are used only partially for clearing mines. They are shallow-draft (for ocean going ships) that can operate near shore. They have the ability to launch small, remotely controlled unmanned vehicles for mineclearing, which means they can also launch small, manned submersibles (i.e. SEAL operations). My nephew served on the Guardian in the 1990's and drives his father (1960's Navy vet) crazy by refusing to say what extremely classified (interesting) things they got into in the Persian Gulf.


I like how they have impressive names.  I got to spend time at sea on DEVASTATOR, accompanied by SCOUT, CHAMPION, and DEFENDER.  (CO of SCOUT was a dick.)
 
2013-01-19 05:57:11 PM

jjorsett: Given that these days we have powerful computers, GPS, accurate tidal information, and sub-meter-resolution elevation data for nearly everywhere on earth, it's surprising that every large ship doesn't have an automatic system that warns about potential grounding.


Sometimes all that fancy gear does more harm than good:

http://www.powerandmotoryacht.com/navigation/radar-assisted-collision
 
2013-01-20 01:43:10 PM

PunGent: Wow. Thanks for the link, I'd never heard of that incident. And it was caused, indirectly, by an earthquake on the other side of the Pacific...

I like the old-school CO, no attempts to duck the blame for him.


Not just that; also likely to save the careers of a lot of the people in that squadron.

Stumbled across that years ago. Shame there's not more/better pictures of it. The ones that exist are neat, though.
 
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