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(BBC)   This just in: The women depicted in Fantasy and Sci-fi art are drawn often in such a way that it almost seems like adolescent males are the target market or something   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 33
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2013-01-18 09:20:55 AM
9 votes:
I was always a fan of this one.
rawrgg.com
2013-01-18 01:33:08 PM
3 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: kid_icarus: Well at least women would never idealize men that way...

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Exactly:

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Indeed:
dvdbash.files.wordpress.com
2013-01-18 11:22:29 AM
3 votes:

Theaetetus: I_C_Weener: serial_crusher: I was always a fan of this one.
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Looking at that, I think we can agree that the original idealizes the male body as well...chest, muscles, etc...  So, point of order, it is doubly sexist.

But the way they're idealized is different... Women in fantasy art are frequently posed in submissive or sexualized positions, butt towards the viewer, off balance, etc.:
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Men are posed in dominant positions, balanced, ready for combat, etc .:
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The sexism isn't due to the fact that they're idealized, but due to the differences in power displayed, and the implication that men=power and women=sex.


What are you talking about? Look at Batman with those bulging thighs and taut buttocks, getting ready to go down on his knees in a back alley for some rough trade with Green Arrow.
2013-01-18 09:56:07 AM
3 votes:
Adolescent male is redundant.
2013-01-18 09:30:20 AM
3 votes:
Well at least women would never idealize men that way...

i76.photobucket.com
2013-01-19 12:47:55 AM
2 votes:
I've always assumed that the artists were attempting an accurate portrayal of the future, where we all know women will have no internal organs.
2013-01-18 11:53:11 PM
2 votes:
Mods are asleep, post gay porn
2013-01-18 03:33:16 PM
2 votes:

Magorn: so then what's the point of DESIGNING a robot with a Double D-Cup exactly?


Because robots are designed by basement dwelling nerds?

/ducks
2013-01-18 11:47:14 AM
2 votes:

WinoRhino: This reminds me of a moment in high school history class 25 or so years ago. A friend of mine used to draw absolutely amazing fantasy D&D type drawings, usually featuring scantily-clad females. One time the teacher walked by, saw one of the sketches, and said "You know, I hate to break it to you but real women don't ever look like that." And he replied, "That's kind of the point."


how would the friend know? he's doing D&D art in public.
2013-01-18 11:40:50 AM
2 votes:
This reminds me of a moment in high school history class 25 or so years ago. A friend of mine used to draw absolutely amazing fantasy D&D type drawings, usually featuring scantily-clad females. One time the teacher walked by, saw one of the sketches, and said "You know, I hate to break it to you but real women don't ever look like that." And he replied, "That's kind of the point."
2013-01-18 11:33:40 AM
2 votes:
Hah! He did it for one of his own books, too. And possibly it's what started him on this.

www.sff.net
2013-01-18 11:48:17 PM
1 votes:
Well this thread gayscalated quickly.
2013-01-18 08:55:03 PM
1 votes:

Mike Chewbacca: And yes, we've all given Wayne shiat for that; he says he drew it that way because it looked cool.


I hope you give him shiat because all of his character apparently have velcro on their backs as well (how else are those spears, bows, swords, staves, etc. attached?)
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-18 07:40:36 PM
1 votes:
mgshamster: Boob armor? Please. That would concentrate a blow to the chest, not deflect it.

David Eddings used this for comic effect in one of his lightweight fantasy novels:
Precisely ten days later the princess, with Durnik once again in tow, returned to Delban's workshop. The mail shirt the craftsman had fastened was so light that it could almost have been described as delicate. The helmet, hammered from thin steel, was surmounted with a white plume and was encircled with a gold crown. The greaves, which were to protect the fronts of Ce'Nedra's legs, fit to perfection. There was even an embossed shield rimmed with brass and a light sword with an ornate hilt and scabbard.

Ce'Nedra, however, was staring disapprovingly at the breastplate Delban had made for her. It would quite obviously fit -- too well. "Didn't you forget something?" she asked him.

He picked the breastplate up in his big hands and examined it. "It's all there," he told her. "Front, back, all the straps to hook them together. What else did you want?"

"Isn't it a trifle -- understated?" Ce'Nedra suggested delicately.

"It's made to fit," he replied. "The understatement isn't my fault."

"I wanted a little more --" She made a sort of curving gesture with her hands.

"What for?"

"Just do it."

"What do you plan to put in it?"
She goes on to explain it wasn't meant to be functional armor.
2013-01-18 04:47:55 PM
1 votes:

Mike Chewbacca: And this is a different symptom of the same problem:

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Because the tits of a 17-year-old girl co-starring in a PG-rated movie aren't big enough for American audiences.


Dude, that's because the one on the right is in 3D
2013-01-18 04:38:09 PM
1 votes:

Magorn:

I knew Frank personally when he was just starting his career (we worked on a college newspaper together)  And I would say  that while he certainly was a fan of Frazetta and Vallejo, (and classic Cartoon art in general)   he was just as influenced by DaVinci and Michaelangelo.  he was fascinated by human anatomy (his parents wanted him to be a nurse, a career choice I claim a minor amount of credit for talking him out of) and detemined to get it correct in his drawings. (we used to fight over desk blotters he'd doodled on when he got bored in the office).  The most ironic thing about his work is he's often been criticized for his "brandy" character in Liberty Meadows as being an impossibly beautiful and exaggerated representation of the female form.  However I happen to know the  woman "Brandy" was based on, (our editor at the paper) and in real life she was even MORE beautiful thank Frank drew her (among other things she had natural, b ...


Wow. Coolest CSB of all time.
2013-01-18 03:41:43 PM
1 votes:

fluffy2097: Theaetetus: No. The barely-there sexualized outfits are unique to female characters.

That's because men don't wear leotards.


upload.wikimedia.org
Jules Leotard, inventor of the leotard, begs to differ, you farkin' tard.
2013-01-18 03:40:17 PM
1 votes:

mgshamster: Magorn: so then what's the point of DESIGNING a robot with a Double D-Cup exactly?

Because robots are designed by basement dwelling nerds?

/ducks


ajbulldis.files.wordpress.com
Yep.
2013-01-18 03:08:23 PM
1 votes:

fluffy2097: Maybe we should just stop drawing women all together. Since any drawing of a woman is OMGSEXUAL


Didn't we address this idiotic troll like 50 posts ago?
2013-01-18 02:59:11 PM
1 votes:

Theaetetus: ProfessorOhki: Mike Chewbacca: Also, Thor Girl? Are farking kidding me??? Could they not just crack open a Bulfinch's Mythology and grab the first female Norse name they encountered??? Hell, they could have just used Hera and the stories could have been about what an asskicker Thor's mom was in her youth.

Knowing comics, Thor Girl could very well just be Thor, but a girl. I don't know, I was told that's happened to Loki before.

From Wiki: Tarene later transforms herself into an Asgardian goddess and becomes Thor's loyal ally, taking the name "Thor Girl" and the human identity of Jake Olson's "cousin" Tara.


I wasn't sure because I passed this on TVTropes while looking for examples of revealing male costu- PHRASING

In Earth X, Thor was transformed into a woman as another humility lesson given by his father, Odin. For no explained reason, this costume places Thor's usual metal discs on her breasts like cups, gives her Thigh-High Boots, and frames her figure with holes that show off every curve of her body. Remember, for all intents and purposes, this is a character that was once male. So that means either Thor decided that not having a penis meant that it was time to make a sluttier costume...or Odin did.
2013-01-18 02:58:38 PM
1 votes:

Theaetetus: ProfessorOhki: Theaetetus: [dreamworlds.ru image 600x911]
Not sexualized

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Sexualized

Alright, so... are we talking strictly about sexualized poses or also sexualized character design and sexualized clothing here? If it's just the poses, sure.

That's what I was talking about, yes.

If it's the outfit, the top one could go either way.

We could also talk about clothing. I don't think that one's nearly so blatant, beyond the half-tank. Would you ever see a comic cover with a guy wearing tight leather pants and a tank top? Sure. Full body spandex suit? Absolutely.
But this?


No. The barely-there sexualized outfits are unique to female characters.

If it's character design? C'mon, Hulk is a big lumbering green beast and She-Hulk is well-proportioned, muscled (but not to freakish levels), and has full lips.

It's the perfect example of your power/sex argument from earlier.

Sure, and you could even go farther and point out that Hulk has a name of his own, while She-Hulk is only named relative to him. Or consider Superman vs. Supergirl or Power Girl, Batman vs. Batgirl, Aquaman vs. Aquagirl, Bulletman vs. Bulletgirl, Hawkman vs. Hawkgirl, and of course, the most retarded of them all...

Thor Girl.


Judging from the blank space in the crotch region, I doubt she's Thor at all.
2013-01-18 02:58:36 PM
1 votes:

Theaetetus: mgshamster: Mike Chewbacca:
Come on, that chick in that last pic should've has National Geographic tits. Instead, she looks like a pron star.

Maybe they're just moving upwards in that shot.  Once she stops moving, they'll be back to normal.

It could also be the wind. It's whipping their hair over in the same direction... Maybe it's like hurricane force, and blowing her tits sideways, too?

/What about their loin cloths, you ask? They're made of lead.


Hey, on Jurassic Earth, you need to watch out for rogue x-ray machines!
2013-01-18 02:24:48 PM
1 votes:

Colour_out_of_Space: Goddamnit so much
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Needs more pouches.
2013-01-18 01:53:05 PM
1 votes:

Ed Grubermann: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 420x640]


Now this panel illustrates the danger of using Male models for a romance book cover, as many of them are gay, as this guy clearly is.  The hot chick is wrapping herself around him, and he's not even looking at her, but staring off into the middle distance with a "The shiat I have to put upp with just to pay the bills" expression on his face
2013-01-18 01:51:24 PM
1 votes:
www.motifake.com
2013-01-18 01:36:21 PM
1 votes:

brigid_fitch: The worst offender is Rob Liefeld

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Dear Rob:  Women have spines.


Hi there!

ft.trillian.im
2013-01-18 01:32:47 PM
1 votes:
1.bp.blogspot.com
2013-01-18 01:25:14 PM
1 votes:
Actually, I'd like to revise my earlier statement and just repeat this one, in its entirety.

i115.photobucket.com
2013-01-18 01:07:37 PM
1 votes:
Oh, for pity's sake. Everyone likes boobs.

Women would be MORE upset if men started ignoring their looks.
2013-01-18 12:47:17 PM
1 votes:
1.bp.blogspot.com
2013-01-18 12:00:46 PM
1 votes:
i38.tinypic.com

really? nobody?
2013-01-18 11:32:24 AM
1 votes:

Theaetetus: I_C_Weener: serial_crusher: I was always a fan of this one.
[rawrgg.com image 720x377]

Looking at that, I think we can agree that the original idealizes the male body as well...chest, muscles, etc...  So, point of order, it is doubly sexist.

But the way they're idealized is different... Women in fantasy art are frequently posed in submissive or sexualized positions, butt towards the viewer, off balance, etc.:
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x1267]

Men are posed in dominant positions, balanced, ready for combat, etc .:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 250x401]

The sexism isn't due to the fact that they're idealized, but due to the differences in power displayed, and the implication that men=power and women=sex.


You see a woman with a bloodied sword, glaring at someone off-screen while doing the "techno-viking point" to be "submissive"?   I hope you've worked out a good safeword for that kind of play.
2013-01-18 11:13:32 AM
1 votes:
I dress in women's clothes ironically. To prove a point.  Seriously, that all it is.

It puts the lotion on its skin ...
 
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