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2013-01-18 11:19:07 AM
8 votes:

I_C_Weener: serial_crusher: I was always a fan of this one.
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Looking at that, I think we can agree that the original idealizes the male body as well...chest, muscles, etc...  So, point of order, it is doubly sexist.


But the way they're idealized is different... Women in fantasy art are frequently posed in submissive or sexualized positions, butt towards the viewer, off balance, etc.:
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Men are posed in dominant positions, balanced, ready for combat, etc .:
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The sexism isn't due to the fact that they're idealized, but due to the differences in power displayed, and the implication that men=power and women=sex.
2013-01-18 02:40:49 PM
3 votes:
What the heck is wrong with a bit of sexual objectification? It sells books.

But it should be done equally, with heroic males presenting their butts and chests on covers in order to attract the female and gay eye - and our money.

Frank Frazetta was a master of this - even when his male figures were wearing the skimpiest of loincloths and their perfectly sculpted buttocks and bulging crotches were the obvious focal point of his paintings the men still managed to look like fierce warriors.

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Even many of his female figures - while essentially nude - were often dynamic, strongly muscled and looked like they could easily beat anybody's ass.

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Today's artists need to learn to strike a similar balance.
2013-01-18 01:25:14 PM
3 votes:
Actually, I'd like to revise my earlier statement and just repeat this one, in its entirety.

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2013-01-18 11:24:41 AM
3 votes:
The worst offender is Rob Liefeld

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Dear Rob:  Women have spines.

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Dear Rob:  Yes, women have vaginas.  There's no need to actually outline them.  Also, we don't always stand on tiptoe.

/Although, it's a valid argument if you say he's absolutely awful at any anatomy.  Especially feet.
2013-01-18 09:20:55 AM
3 votes:
I was always a fan of this one.
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2013-01-18 05:17:31 PM
2 votes:

Theaetetus: Max Awesome: What the heck is wrong with a bit of sexual objectification? It sells books.

But it should be done equally, with heroic males presenting their butts and chests on covers in order to attract the female and gay eye - and our money.

Frank Frazetta was a master of this - even when his male figures were wearing the skimpiest of loincloths and their perfectly sculpted buttocks and bulging crotches were the obvious focal point of his paintings the men still managed to look like fierce warriors.

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Even many of his female figures - while essentially nude - were often dynamic, strongly muscled and looked like they could easily beat anybody's ass.

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Today's artists need to learn to strike a similar balance.

Exactly. Some of the trolls in this thread think that if you object to the way women are portrayed in comics, then you must want everyone to be in burlap sacks or some shiat. It's like they believe that every issue must be black and white, with the only possible positions being the ones at the extreme edges: either women can only appear in highly sexualized positions, or all comics must be about the patriarchy-destroying efforts of the Manhater Squad and deviation will result in jail time.


Pretty much. I'm a feminist and an artist, and so are most of my friends/colleagues. We have no interest in giving up drawing hot women! We love good pinups and strong, sexy super heroines! Really, the biggest change most of us advocate is artists thinking of their characters as people first, women second. Less contorted poses with only tenuous connections to environment/plot/other characters, more focus on narrative. Less same-face bedroom eyes, more thought given to a character's personality and how sexy can manifest in many different ways, from perky (Harley Quinn) to slinky (Catwoman) to old-school siren (Poison Ivy).

Adam Hughes is an artist a lot of us look up to, because his women seem actively engaged with their world, because his Wonder Woman has a different facial structure than his Catwoman. I understand the pressures artists are under to perform under a deadline, to appease an audience that enjoys a pretty ladies ... but it's not that hard to accomplish these things in a way that doesn't alienate half the population. It just takes a little thought.

/Participated in the Hawkwaye Initiative, but mostly for the lulz.
//Hawkeye is just an inherently lulzy character, anyway.
2013-01-18 04:40:20 PM
2 votes:

mgshamster: fluffy2097: mgshamster: Ok. So you're arguing that other media exists, so just ignore the ones that are bad.

Sure. Why not? Why should I waste time wading through crap like Liefeld? Why should I give ANY thought to a man who doesn't know how spines work?

I'd much rather see the lack of any sort of decent PLOT in most modern media be addressed before skimpy outfits and unrealistic poses are.

Fair enough.

One of the media that I typically argue against over-sexualization of characters is in gaming rule books (typically table top RPGs); where it usually is only the women characters who are sexualized, and the men are not. The difference, though, is that when I get into conversations about RPG rule books, I'm usually talking to actual developers and designers, rather than here on Fark where I'm just talking to a bunch of random Farkers.


Funny you should bring that up...

I know Wayne Reynolds, the main artist for the Pathfinder RPG. He drew this:

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I also know this woman, who says that when she dresses up as Amiri, the armor gets in the way of her just walking around, and she can't imagine how cumbersome it would be in actual combat. And notice how ridiculously she has to stand in order to approximate the post in the actual artwork. And this isn't even a particularly sexualized version of an RPG character. Aside from the ridiculous lack of armor on her midriff, of course. And yes, we've all given Wayne shiat for that; he says he drew it that way because it looked cool.

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2013-01-18 02:19:19 PM
2 votes:

Theaetetus: [dreamworlds.ru image 600x911]
Not sexualized

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Sexualized


If I wasn't 100% convinced that you were a female before -you just verified the assumption. Neither image is "sexualized", the top representing the invulnerability of She-Hulk and the bottom being a parody of the famous Vanity Fair cover.

If you are trying to moralize about sexualized images in comic books please explain how they are okay on covers of Romance Novels but not okay in comic books. That should be entertaining.

Also, since you Female-Supremacists are always pushing for Mackinnon like restrictions on the first amendment -consider the history of this organization:

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2013-01-18 02:00:49 PM
2 votes:
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Not sexualized

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Sexualized
2013-01-18 01:34:33 PM
2 votes:

Theaetetus: The sexism isn't due to the fact that they're idealized, but due to the differences in power displayed, and the implication that men=power and women=sex.


Sexism is essentially the belief that you can determine things about someone's character from their sex alone. Men=power and women=sex are both stereotypes and are both sexist. You can obviously make an argument for positive vs. negative stereotypes, but saying they're not both sexist is like saying that, "black people steal" is racist, but "all asians are smart" isn't racist.
2013-01-18 01:31:28 PM
2 votes:

FightDirector: To be honest, I stopped caring after it was pointed out that it's impossible to draw a sexually appealing woman without being sexist, because being sexually appealing is inherently submitting to the male desires that define sexual appeal (or something similar - the derp level in that class had gotten so far that I sort of zoned out).


Let's be honest... You zoned out long before the class even started.

Plus, you're wrong.
Sexualized:
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Not sexualized:
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2013-01-18 12:48:04 PM
2 votes:
To be honest, I stopped caring after it was pointed out that it's impossible to draw a sexually appealing woman without being sexist, because being sexually appealing is inherently submitting to the male desires that define sexual appeal (or something similar - the derp level in that class had gotten so far that I sort of zoned out).

So if it's impossible anyway, then who cares? Draw and enjoy what appeals to you, and everyone else can go fark themselves if they don't like it.
2013-01-18 11:05:57 AM
2 votes:
Marketing is sexist. Next.
2013-01-18 09:56:07 AM
2 votes:
Adolescent male is redundant.
2013-01-20 01:48:11 AM
1 votes:

fluffy2097: mgshamster: I'm confused; are you trying to argue that posing women in physically impossible sexual poses that has nothing to do with the situation they are in (which is usually fighting in combat) while wearing skimpy outfits and high heels is ok simply because other media exists where that doesn't happen?

I'm arguing that there are plenty of strong female characters out there that aren't drawn by comic book artists who don't know how anatomy works, and it's farking silly to get your panties in a wad over Rob Liefeld and his ilk.

I'm also arguing that there are situations where a strong female heroine can use sexuality and lack of clothing to her advantage, without being a helpless waif.


Okay, so what does this have to do with mocking stupidity? No one is screaming for laws or censorship. It seems it's just a silly ribbing and criticism; both of which ALSO happens in comics, along with other media. There are no jackbooted lesbo-feminazis knocking down doors and seizing comics and anime from greasy teens, to be taken to the book burning. Just "LOL, look at this stupid shiat! Isn't it stupid?" and "Here's why it is stupid: [Insert criticism]."

It seems YOU have your panties in a bunch, scared someone's going to ban artwork of women because a bunch of people think a segment of artwork of women looks stupid and subject it to ridicule.
2013-01-19 11:21:18 AM
1 votes:

Keizer_Ghidorah: Change what?


Here's a good start to get background information: Link

It's not just comics. You make it seem like I'm attacking your precious comic books. I read comics.  So does my wife and so do a lot of my female friends.  It's geek culture in general.  There are so many other media where the same problem exists.  I usually focus on table top RPGs, and if you read the previous posts, you may have noticed that Mike Chewbacca and I were talking about it.

It does affect real life. When a woman walks into a hobby store and sees that most of the products are aimed at objectifying women, it can be degrading. It teaches people that it's acceptable.  In comics, female characters are usually the ones who wear sexy, revealing costumes that have nothing to do with their character.  Female characters are usually posed in a porn star pose. I've heard complaints that only beautiful women are created, and you rarely seen average or ugly, but in comic books, that's usually true for all the characters, so in my opinion, it balances out. However, in RPGs, it doesn't.  For men, you can find an array of ugly, average, and hot men in various styles and cultures. However, when women are depicted, they're almost always hot and sexy, wearing revealing clothing.  Or when you have plot lines in fantastic comics (and other media) that simply use women as part of the plot without actually caring about them. Like in the Batman comic, "The Killer Joke" where Barbara Gorden was kidnapped, paralyzed, and degraded as a plot hook for the male characters, and then she was forgotten about. Before that even happened, though, Moore asked DC for permission, and the exact quote he got in response was, "Yeah, okay, cripple the biatch."

It's not that some comics are bad and some are good. It's that it is so prevalent among geek culture that it's an issue.  And I don't really know what to do about it, except raise awareness and simply talk about it.

So why do I, as a male, talk about this? Because I've actually listened to women complain about these issues. I didn't hand-wave their concerns aside, and say, "They're just comic books; they don't exist. Get over it."
2013-01-19 12:49:44 AM
1 votes:

Ed Grubermann: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 420x640]


That guy's face looks like a younger Stephen King.
2013-01-18 11:24:45 PM
1 votes:

Max Awesome: For someone up-thread that said the difference is that men are just inherently not sexy:

Harry Bush (real name), genius master of the male pin-up.

Pretty much a dead art-form now that this generation of fit young men are willing to post selfie pics online with their iPhones without even getting paid for it.


Reminds me a bit of Tom of Finland, one of my favorite male artists.

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Nnnnnngh, Manly Gay incarnate.

One of his naughty works (NSFW)
2013-01-18 09:29:11 PM
1 votes:

mgshamster: Keizer_Ghidorah: They're fictional, made of ink and paper. And they're not going to make people think "Why can't real women be like this?! I HATE ALL REAL WOMEN NOW!!". Can we please stop being retarded about this so-called "problem"?

Because battling sexism in fictional media just isn't something you should worry your pretty little head over.


Are the fictional women not being paid enough to dress and pose they way they do? Are they being prevented from aspiring to higher positions in their places of employment? Are Power Girl and Rogue being forced to stay home and raise the kids? No? And if they were, does it matter, because they don't exist? Then I'm sorry, I don't see why I should get outraged at ink-and-paint characters being drawn more attractively than real people and posed in ways that real people can't imitate. Most of them also have superpowers, am I supposed to be outraged at that as well because real women can't shoot ice from their hands or create pshychokintetic blades?

I'm all for women's lib and equality in real life. I don't see the need or reason to demonize and attack comic books for it.
2013-01-18 04:59:26 PM
1 votes:

fluffy2097: She doesn't give a single goddamn shiat about what her cyborg shell is dressed in. If anything, it's a tactical decision. A lecherous hump might stare at her instead of pulling the trigger.

Heres another shot of Motoko in one of her "powerless, submissive nearly naked outfits."


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FTFY
2013-01-18 04:38:09 PM
1 votes:

Magorn:

I knew Frank personally when he was just starting his career (we worked on a college newspaper together)  And I would say  that while he certainly was a fan of Frazetta and Vallejo, (and classic Cartoon art in general)   he was just as influenced by DaVinci and Michaelangelo.  he was fascinated by human anatomy (his parents wanted him to be a nurse, a career choice I claim a minor amount of credit for talking him out of) and detemined to get it correct in his drawings. (we used to fight over desk blotters he'd doodled on when he got bored in the office).  The most ironic thing about his work is he's often been criticized for his "brandy" character in Liberty Meadows as being an impossibly beautiful and exaggerated representation of the female form.  However I happen to know the  woman "Brandy" was based on, (our editor at the paper) and in real life she was even MORE beautiful thank Frank drew her (among other things she had natural, b ...


Wow. Coolest CSB of all time.
2013-01-18 04:23:19 PM
1 votes:

Magorn: Hmm let's see , given the similarity of the activities, there should be little sexual dimophism between male and female gynastic attire, right?  and yet:


Which is a little crazy, honestly... If the cut away legs allow more freedom of movement, then the male gymnasts should be wearing unitards too. And similar for the women's long sleeves.
2013-01-18 04:19:46 PM
1 votes:

Mike Chewbacca: fluffy2097: Theaetetus: fluffy2097: Theaetetus: No. The barely-there sexualized outfits are unique to female characters.

That's because men don't wear leotards.

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Jules Leotard, inventor of the leotard, begs to differ, you farkin' tard.

Can you find an image that's not 120 years old please?

Male gymnasts wear leotards all the time. I dare you to call them unmanly.


Hmm let's see , given the similarity of the activities, there should be little sexual dimophism between male and female gynastic attire, right?  and yet:

male gymnastic wear:
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Female Gymnastic wear:


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2013-01-18 04:05:27 PM
1 votes:
One of my favorite current artists appears to be influenced by Frank Frazetta - Frank Cho.

He certainly shares Frazetta's appreciation for loin-cloths, dinosaurs and butt-shots. In fact he's often criticized for somehow managing to include a lady's perfectly delineated ass in practically every panel - but he gets a pass from me because his women tend to be so beautifully drawn, with muscle-tone, weight, and an actual understanding of anatomy.

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But part of why I love Cho's work so much is that he draws men who are as equally bad-ass and sexy - he doesn't shy away from drawing men's butts and or crotches as expertly as his female figures. He's one of the few comic book artists who actually understand that a muscular guy wearing a leotard isn't going to look like an emasculated Ken doll.

He started a new series this week that is perfect for his talents - The Savage Wolverine:

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2013-01-18 03:28:49 PM
1 votes:
It's almost as if women and men dressed differently in their idealized forms and women showed more skin:

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2013-01-18 03:24:13 PM
1 votes:

Magorn: Theaetetus: mgshamster: Mike Chewbacca:
Come on, that chick in that last pic should've has National Geographic tits. Instead, she looks like a pron star.

Maybe they're just moving upwards in that shot.  Once she stops moving, they'll be back to normal.

It could also be the wind. It's whipping their hair over in the same direction... Maybe it's like hurricane force, and blowing her tits sideways, too?

/What about their loin cloths, you ask? They're made of lead.

That last one actually pretty much proves your point in spades, I have to admit.  The Man and woman depicted are wearing the exact same clothing, but somehow she manages to look like a sex doll while he still looks like an NFL player hanging out in a locker room.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
2013-01-18 03:14:49 PM
1 votes:

fluffy2097: Maybe we should just stop drawing women all together. Since any drawing of a woman is OMGSEXUAL
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/shes a cyborg. She doesn't even have a cooter.


so then what's the point of DESIGNING a robot with a Double D-Cup exactly?   I'm no feminist but chainmail bikinis and curiases with cut-outs  are stupid enough to snap my suspension of disbelief and sometimes ruin a book for me.   It's every bit as bad a horrible Jennifer robeson Fantasy  novel I read where the lead characters are a Barabrian nomad from the desert and a warrior woman from the mountainous highlands, and at some point he starts really suffering from the cold, because, you see, he's from the desert, and thus doesn;t own any heavy or warm clothing.   Having spent some sub 32 deg nights in deserts that were 115F+ during the day I wanted to hurl the novel out the window at the sheer stupdity of that and never did finished reading it
2013-01-18 03:08:30 PM
1 votes:
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I see Liefeld isn't the only one who can't make up their minds which way they want a sword to face as they are drawing it. If they can't get a sword right, it's no wonder a human body gets twisted.
2013-01-18 02:48:11 PM
1 votes:

Max Awesome: What the heck is wrong with a bit of sexual objectification? It sells books.

But it should be done equally, with heroic males presenting their butts and chests on covers in order to attract the female and gay eye - and our money.

Frank Frazetta was a master of this - even when his male figures were wearing the skimpiest of loincloths and their perfectly sculpted buttocks and bulging crotches were the obvious focal point of his paintings the men still managed to look like fierce warriors.

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Even many of his female figures - while essentially nude - were often dynamic, strongly muscled and looked like they could easily beat anybody's ass.

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Today's artists need to learn to strike a similar balance.


Exactly. Some of the trolls in this thread think that if you object to the way women are portrayed in comics, then you must want everyone to be in burlap sacks or some shiat. It's like they believe that every issue must be black and white, with the only possible positions being the ones at the extreme edges: either women can only appear in highly sexualized positions, or all comics must be about the patriarchy-destroying efforts of the Manhater Squad and deviation will result in jail time.
2013-01-18 02:24:18 PM
1 votes:

ProfessorOhki: Theaetetus: [dreamworlds.ru image 600x911]
Not sexualized

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Sexualized

Alright, so... are we talking strictly about sexualized poses or also sexualized character design and sexualized clothing here? If it's just the poses, sure.


That's what I was talking about, yes.

If it's the outfit, the top one could go either way.

We could also talk about clothing. I don't think that one's nearly so blatant, beyond the half-tank. Would you ever see a comic cover with a guy wearing tight leather pants and a tank top? Sure. Full body spandex suit? Absolutely.
But this?
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No. The barely-there sexualized outfits are unique to female characters.

If it's character design? C'mon, Hulk is a big lumbering green beast and She-Hulk is well-proportioned, muscled (but not to freakish levels), and has full lips.

It's the perfect example of your power/sex argument from earlier.


Sure, and you could even go farther and point out that Hulk has a name of his own, while She-Hulk is only named relative to him. Or consider Superman vs. Supergirl or Power Girl, Batman vs. Batgirl, Aquaman vs. Aquagirl, Bulletman vs. Bulletgirl, Hawkman vs. Hawkgirl, and of course, the most retarded of them all...
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Thor Girl.
2013-01-18 02:21:31 PM
1 votes:

rocky_howard: brigid_fitch: The worst offender is Rob Liefeld

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Dear Rob:  Women have spines.

Hi there!

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Yeah, almost identical:
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(Q&D, and surprisingly, not exaggerated enough)
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Now as much as I enjoy looking at that picture of the shapely woman in the pink dress. you can see that she doesn't really support your argument that Liefeld doesn't suck.
Please find another way to White-Knight him.
2013-01-18 01:42:35 PM
1 votes:

Theaetetus: I_C_Weener: serial_crusher: I was always a fan of this one.
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Looking at that, I think we can agree that the original idealizes the male body as well...chest, muscles, etc...  So, point of order, it is doubly sexist.

But the way they're idealized is different... Women in fantasy art are frequently posed in submissive or sexualized positions, butt towards the viewer, off balance, etc.:
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Men are posed in dominant positions, balanced, ready for combat, etc .:
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The sexism isn't due to the fact that they're idealized, but due to the differences in power displayed, and the implication that men=power and women=sex.


THANK YOU!

Anyone who thinks the argument ends with "Men have muscles/are idealized!" is missing 50% of the point. And it's not JUST how women are posed, but how they're framed in the shot/panel. Sexualization goes FAR beyond mere appearance.
2013-01-18 01:41:54 PM
1 votes:

rocky_howard: brigid_fitch: The worst offender is Rob Liefeld

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Dear Rob:  Women have spines.

Hi there!

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While leaving the rest of her body where it is, move her lower back about 6 inches closer to the bed, and then you'd be more accurate to Liefeld 's drawing.
2013-01-18 01:36:21 PM
1 votes:

brigid_fitch: The worst offender is Rob Liefeld

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Dear Rob:  Women have spines.


Hi there!

ft.trillian.im
2013-01-18 12:49:26 PM
1 votes:
Codex Chief Executive Officer Peter Hildick-Smith remains puzzled why science fiction and fantasy publishers sell sexualised covers.

Actual literary Sci-Fi and Fantasy do no such thing. However, pulp subgenre books for every genre will do literally anything to catch the casual viewer's eye and get them to pick the book up. Some of the worst offenders are actually Detective/Mystery novels, even the ones ostensibly written for women.

Here's the difference:

Hard SciFi cover (space opera):
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Pulp Scifi cover (space opera):
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//Though, in all fairness, the pulps have had a large influence on more adult-ish works, so there is some merit to the "it's just a tradition" argument.
2013-01-18 12:44:01 PM
1 votes:
This thread needs more Hawkeye Initiative.
2013-01-18 12:23:26 PM
1 votes:

Magorn: Theaetetus: I_C_Weener: serial_crusher: I was always a fan of this one.
[rawrgg.com image 720x377]

Looking at that, I think we can agree that the original idealizes the male body as well...chest, muscles, etc...  So, point of order, it is doubly sexist.

But the way they're idealized is different... Women in fantasy art are frequently posed in submissive or sexualized positions, butt towards the viewer, off balance, etc.:
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x1267]

Men are posed in dominant positions, balanced, ready for combat, etc .:
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The sexism isn't due to the fact that they're idealized, but due to the differences in power displayed, and the implication that men=power and women=sex.

You see a woman with a bloodied sword, glaring at someone off-screen while doing the "techno-viking point" to be "submissive"?   I hope you've worked out a good safeword for that kind of play.


I think that would count as the latter category: "sexualized position"

That woman has both her ass and her chest towards the viewer, a position that's fairly difficult to do in real life.  For example, this martial artist and contortionist tried to imitate it, and couldn't.
2013-01-18 12:05:28 PM
1 votes:
This was drawn by a female friend of mine. She likes female characters to be sexy (and she's not a lesbian). People shouldn't assume that women don't want fantasy (or game) characters to be attractive.
2013-01-18 11:22:24 AM
1 votes:
FTA: "I think posing has made people see it again - you see how ridiculous it is when a 38-year-old fantasy writer is doing it."

While understand the intent, an overweight 38-year-old guy is always going to look ridiculous emulating anything a perfectly proportioned, 20-something woman is doing, even if it's sitting at a table eating cereal. This doesn't prove anything.
2013-01-18 09:30:20 AM
1 votes:
Well at least women would never idealize men that way...

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