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2013-01-18 08:37:53 PM
What no one does any Kazar?

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I'll throw in this klingon guy also I guess
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2013-01-18 08:49:32 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: They're fictional, made of ink and paper. And they're not going to make people think "Why can't real women be like this?! I HATE ALL REAL WOMEN NOW!!". Can we please stop being retarded about this so-called "problem"?


Because battling sexism in fictional media just isn't something you should worry your pretty little head over.
 
2013-01-18 08:55:03 PM

Mike Chewbacca: And yes, we've all given Wayne shiat for that; he says he drew it that way because it looked cool.


I hope you give him shiat because all of his character apparently have velcro on their backs as well (how else are those spears, bows, swords, staves, etc. attached?)
 
2013-01-18 09:08:23 PM

fluffy2097: This lady would like to exchange words, possibly bullets with the author.
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/or she just might rip him limb from limb with her cybernetic body.
//whatever works.
///fixed the imglink


Nah, Motoko would just be economic, put a bullet in his head and walk away.
 
2013-01-18 09:11:15 PM

fluffy2097: ProfessorOhki: That's a hell of an example to pick. Go read Masamune Shirow's manga and then say with a straight face that The Major isn't sexualized. I'd find something to post, but I ain't search through his work on a PC that's not mine.

She blatantly rebuffs every single sexual advance made upon her by Batou.

In fact, the only time she IS seen in a sexual context is when it's her day off and she's having cybersex with her GIRLFRIENDS (It was cut out in the black horse edition manga).

Kusanagi is the epitome of the hardened soldier, and the only thing left that is still her is her soul. Even her brain and memory is owned by the government.

She doesn't give a single goddamn shiat about what her cyborg shell is dressed in. If anything, it's a tactical decision. A lecherous hump might stare at her instead of pulling the trigger.

Heres another shot of Motoko in one of her "powerless, submissive nearly naked outfits."
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Now since you seem to be hung up on everything being sexual. Lets take a look at a more risque shot, and have a discussion about it.
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Notice the fact that the robot she is leaning on is devoid of any armor plating. You can see straight through to it's actuators. Motoko, being a machine herself (except for a small part of her brain stem), is much like robot behind her.

Clothing is just a shell to her. An outer casing used to protect vital components as it were.

And lets face it, her cyborg body is not even that exotic. It's made specifically to look like a mass market shell in order to not stand out.

There ARE fantasy and sci-fi artists who do cheesecake for cheesecakes sake. Shirow is even one of them. But to say that it's some sort of epidemic, or that there cannot be reasons behind it, or that a story won't sell without a half naked contorted bimbo is just stupid.

Here's Deunan from Appleseed in her civies. she wears a skirt! The horror!
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Here ...


Ahhhh, GiTS and Appleseed...FARK YEAH~!
 
2013-01-18 09:29:11 PM

mgshamster: Keizer_Ghidorah: They're fictional, made of ink and paper. And they're not going to make people think "Why can't real women be like this?! I HATE ALL REAL WOMEN NOW!!". Can we please stop being retarded about this so-called "problem"?

Because battling sexism in fictional media just isn't something you should worry your pretty little head over.


Are the fictional women not being paid enough to dress and pose they way they do? Are they being prevented from aspiring to higher positions in their places of employment? Are Power Girl and Rogue being forced to stay home and raise the kids? No? And if they were, does it matter, because they don't exist? Then I'm sorry, I don't see why I should get outraged at ink-and-paint characters being drawn more attractively than real people and posed in ways that real people can't imitate. Most of them also have superpowers, am I supposed to be outraged at that as well because real women can't shoot ice from their hands or create pshychokintetic blades?

I'm all for women's lib and equality in real life. I don't see the need or reason to demonize and attack comic books for it.
 
2013-01-18 09:33:49 PM

brigid_fitch: The worst offender is Rob Liefeld

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I swear, I found the picture that Liefeld stole that from once. It's not the one posted earlier. Might have been shopped, but if so, it was fairly subtle. I think Liefeld tweaked it up to eleven, but the actual woman looked like a real woman in an uncomfortable pose.

Sadly, I think it's on another computer.
 
2013-01-18 09:36:43 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Theaetetus: fluffy2097: Maybe we should just stop drawing women all together. Since any drawing of a woman is OMGSEXUAL

Didn't we address this idiotic troll like 50 posts ago?

Fluffy and Rocky always post in these threads, claiming there's nothing at all wrong with highly sexualized women in art. If some comic had a superheroine that was just a pair of giant tits above a giant vulva, they'd think it was totally fine.

/"Fighting crime with my Labia Majora of Justice!"


Yeah, but her vagina is haunted.
 
2013-01-18 09:42:27 PM
Wait a second no one has mentioned Coley Running Wild yet.

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2013-01-18 09:43:57 PM
Yowza, I just tried a safesearch for Druuna and realized there isn't a single panel of her drawn that is safe for work.
 
2013-01-18 09:47:46 PM
Dear weeaboos,

Japanimation is not the same f*cking thing as Sci-Fi or Fantasy art. Leave your hideously disproportioned monsters in your mom's basement.
 
2013-01-18 10:12:28 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: mgshamster: Keizer_Ghidorah: They're fictional, made of ink and paper. And they're not going to make people think "Why can't real women be like this?! I HATE ALL REAL WOMEN NOW!!". Can we please stop being retarded about this so-called "problem"?

Because battling sexism in fictional media just isn't something you should worry your pretty little head over.

Are the fictional women not being paid enough to dress and pose they way they do? Are they being prevented from aspiring to higher positions in their places of employment? Are Power Girl and Rogue being forced to stay home and raise the kids? No? And if they were, does it matter, because they don't exist? Then I'm sorry, I don't see why I should get outraged at ink-and-paint characters being drawn more attractively than real people and posed in ways that real people can't imitate. Most of them also have superpowers, am I supposed to be outraged at that as well because real women can't shoot ice from their hands or create pshychokintetic blades?

I'm all for women's lib and equality in real life. I don't see the need or reason to demonize and attack comic books for it.


But you do feel strongly enough to attack those who are bothered by it and want to make change. Got it.

/If you don't like it, then let those of us who do care handle it
//You don't worry your pretty little head over it anymore
 
2013-01-18 10:20:37 PM

mgshamster: Keizer_Ghidorah: mgshamster: Keizer_Ghidorah: They're fictional, made of ink and paper. And they're not going to make people think "Why can't real women be like this?! I HATE ALL REAL WOMEN NOW!!". Can we please stop being retarded about this so-called "problem"?

Because battling sexism in fictional media just isn't something you should worry your pretty little head over.

Are the fictional women not being paid enough to dress and pose they way they do? Are they being prevented from aspiring to higher positions in their places of employment? Are Power Girl and Rogue being forced to stay home and raise the kids? No? And if they were, does it matter, because they don't exist? Then I'm sorry, I don't see why I should get outraged at ink-and-paint characters being drawn more attractively than real people and posed in ways that real people can't imitate. Most of them also have superpowers, am I supposed to be outraged at that as well because real women can't shoot ice from their hands or create pshychokintetic blades?

I'm all for women's lib and equality in real life. I don't see the need or reason to demonize and attack comic books for it.

But you do feel strongly enough to attack those who are bothered by it and want to make change. Got it.

/If you don't like it, then let those of us who do care handle it
//You don't worry your pretty little head over it anymore


Change what? You're upset because make-believe women don't look and act like real women, and somehow that makes real men want to treat real women like less than human. Your reasoning seems a lot like the "video games make kids kill" reasoning. Maybe you could explain it better, show some sound evidence that it's true, something besides your idiotic little condescension that only works to make me less inclined to offer you any help or compassion.
 
2013-01-18 10:22:10 PM

HotWingAgenda: Dear weeaboos,

Japanimation is not the same f*cking thing as Sci-Fi or Fantasy art. Leave your hideously disproportioned monsters in your mom's basement.


Japanese hideously disproportioned monsters are bad, but American hideously disproportioned monsters are okay?
 
2013-01-18 10:32:17 PM
I'll just leave this here

http://humor.gunaxin.com/civilization-its-all-her-fault/33016
 
2013-01-18 11:05:48 PM
For someone up-thread that said the difference is that men are just inherently not sexy:

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Harry Bush (real name), genius master of the male pin-up.

Pretty much a dead art-form now that this generation of fit young men are willing to post selfie pics online with their iPhones without even getting paid for it.
 
2013-01-18 11:07:28 PM

HotWingAgenda: Dear weeaboos,

Japanimation is not the same f*cking thing as Sci-Fi or Fantasy art. Leave your hideously disproportioned monsters in your mom's basement.


I disagree. After 30 years of liking the fantasy genre in fiction, a little sci-fi, I loved epic length series fantasy novels that develops stories in the thousands of pages. Then 2 years ago I finally see some of the more quality anime. The good stories, ones that have over 200 episodes. This is what I loved all my life. Magic, swords, battles long duration character development. I may not be as far along to be annoying, but the plot material follows many of the same themes and fanservice is annoying. You must not have a lot of exposure to this or are just feeling judgemental. Some of the stories are the best fiction you can find, IMHO of course.

/I only found out what weeaboo was about 2 weeks ago.
 
2013-01-18 11:14:05 PM

ProfessorOhki:
More and more ridiculous, but fine:
1) She didn't know I was there: why is she lying supine with her back-arched, semi-bound, with absolute cleavage? Just to get the jump on someone who might show up?
2) She already knew I was there. She's the farking Major. It doesn't matter what she looks like, if she was aware of me I'd be dead a dozen ways before I could even go "ooooh,"and almost more of them more efficient than taking the time to be ogled.

/I mean, FFS, she has thermoptic camo
//"Invisible" tends to give a pretty good tactical advantage



To be fair, there was an episode of the TV series where she takes Batou down, then chastises him for underestimating her because she has a sexy girl frame.
 
2013-01-18 11:24:45 PM

Max Awesome: For someone up-thread that said the difference is that men are just inherently not sexy:

Harry Bush (real name), genius master of the male pin-up.

Pretty much a dead art-form now that this generation of fit young men are willing to post selfie pics online with their iPhones without even getting paid for it.


Reminds me a bit of Tom of Finland, one of my favorite male artists.

www.gayartcollection.com

brunogmuender.com

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www.gayartcollection.com

tomoffinlandfoundation.org

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www.guymag.net

Nnnnnngh, Manly Gay incarnate.

One of his naughty works (NSFW)
 
2013-01-18 11:39:56 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Max Awesome: For someone up-thread that said the difference is that men are just inherently not sexy:

Harry Bush (real name), genius master of the male pin-up.

Pretty much a dead art-form now that this generation of fit young men are willing to post selfie pics online with their iPhones without even getting paid for it.

Reminds me a bit of Tom of Finland, one of my favorite male artists.


I see the similarity. So what does that say about the Sci-Fi/Fantasy genre? It makes you wonder if Tom loved fantasy art or whether there is something about this style that represents something symbolic.
 
2013-01-18 11:48:17 PM
Well this thread gayscalated quickly.
 
2013-01-18 11:53:11 PM
Mods are asleep, post gay porn
 
2013-01-19 12:03:32 AM

rev. dave: Keizer_Ghidorah: Max Awesome: For someone up-thread that said the difference is that men are just inherently not sexy:

Harry Bush (real name), genius master of the male pin-up.

Pretty much a dead art-form now that this generation of fit young men are willing to post selfie pics online with their iPhones without even getting paid for it.

Reminds me a bit of Tom of Finland, one of my favorite male artists.

I see the similarity. So what does that say about the Sci-Fi/Fantasy genre? It makes you wonder if Tom loved fantasy art or whether there is something about this style that represents something symbolic.


They both seem to have an ideal when it came to the physical body, that's for certain. And I can also see similarities between their works and the overall designs for male superheroes in comics, except the latter are usually not drawn in such detail (or with too much detail sometimes). What it might be symbolic of I don't know, though, I just know that they're very hot.
 
2013-01-19 12:28:19 AM

rev. dave: HotWingAgenda: Dear weeaboos,

Japanimation is not the same f*cking thing as Sci-Fi or Fantasy art. Leave your hideously disproportioned monsters in your mom's basement.

I disagree. After 30 years of liking the fantasy genre in fiction, a little sci-fi, I loved epic length series fantasy novels that develops stories in the thousands of pages. Then 2 years ago I finally see some of the more quality anime. The good stories, ones that have over 200 episodes. This is what I loved all my life. Magic, swords, battles long duration character development. I may not be as far along to be annoying, but the plot material follows many of the same themes and fanservice is annoying. You must not have a lot of exposure to this or are just feeling judgemental. Some of the stories are the best fiction you can find, IMHO of course.

/I only found out what weeaboo was about 2 weeks ago.


Do you have any recommendations or links for those of us who are unfamiliar with this genre?

I've often admired the artwork I've seen but don't have a clue where to start reading/viewing.
 
2013-01-19 12:31:19 AM

Max Awesome: rev. dave: HotWingAgenda: Dear weeaboos,

Japanimation is not the same f*cking thing as Sci-Fi or Fantasy art. Leave your hideously disproportioned monsters in your mom's basement.

I disagree. After 30 years of liking the fantasy genre in fiction, a little sci-fi, I loved epic length series fantasy novels that develops stories in the thousands of pages. Then 2 years ago I finally see some of the more quality anime. The good stories, ones that have over 200 episodes. This is what I loved all my life. Magic, swords, battles long duration character development. I may not be as far along to be annoying, but the plot material follows many of the same themes and fanservice is annoying. You must not have a lot of exposure to this or are just feeling judgemental. Some of the stories are the best fiction you can find, IMHO of course.

/I only found out what weeaboo was about 2 weeks ago.

Do you have any recommendations or links for those of us who are unfamiliar with this genre?

I've often admired the artwork I've seen but don't have a clue where to start reading/viewing.


Elfen Lied should warm you up
 
2013-01-19 12:33:53 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: mgshamster: Keizer_Ghidorah: mgshamster: Keizer_Ghidorah: They're fictional, made of ink and paper. And they're not going to make people think "Why can't real women be like this?! I HATE ALL REAL WOMEN NOW!!". Can we please stop being retarded about this so-called "problem"?

Because battling sexism in fictional media just isn't something you should worry your pretty little head over.

Are the fictional women not being paid enough to dress and pose they way they do? Are they being prevented from aspiring to higher positions in their places of employment? Are Power Girl and Rogue being forced to stay home and raise the kids? No? And if they were, does it matter, because they don't exist? Then I'm sorry, I don't see why I should get outraged at ink-and-paint characters being drawn more attractively than real people and posed in ways that real people can't imitate. Most of them also have superpowers, am I supposed to be outraged at that as well because real women can't shoot ice from their hands or create pshychokintetic blades?

I'm all for women's lib and equality in real life. I don't see the need or reason to demonize and attack comic books for it.

But you do feel strongly enough to attack those who are bothered by it and want to make change. Got it.

/If you don't like it, then let those of us who do care handle it
//You don't worry your pretty little head over it anymore

Change what? You're upset because make-believe women don't look and act like real women, and somehow that makes real men want to treat real women like less than human. Your reasoning seems a lot like the "video games make kids kill" reasoning. Maybe you could explain it better, show some sound evidence that it's true, something besides your idiotic little condescension that only works to make me less inclined to offer you any help or compassion.


That's a lot of assumptions you're making. And the only reason I was condescending towards you is because you opened like an asshole by calling those who want more positive female influence in fantasy "retarded."
 
2013-01-19 12:47:51 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah:

Reminds me a bit of Tom of Finland, one of my favorite male artists.


One of his naughty works (NSFW)


Tom's work is amazing and I used to think it was the ultimate in attractive male artwork, but the I discovered Harry Bush, and now Tom's work looks less impressive, even though they both use the same ink-wash technique.

I think the difference is that Bush based his drawings on photographs, and he had a much stronger grasp of anatomy, while Tom seems more cartoony and exaggerated to me.

Bringing this back to fantasy/comic book art: if today's fantasy artists based their artwork on real life models instead of just copying the broken-back short-hand bullshiat of other artists then even the sexy lady poses found in so many book covers and comic books would at least look grounded in reality.

This cover of the new all female X-Men book by Oliver Copiel is brilliant - strong X-Women, facing the viewer straight-on with no twisted spines or multiple butt-boob shots, and yet they look beautiful and confident.

i42.photobucket.com

It actually is possible to draw attractive fantasy females that will sell books to us fanboys without violating basic human anatomy.
 
2013-01-19 12:47:55 AM
I've always assumed that the artists were attempting an accurate portrayal of the future, where we all know women will have no internal organs.
 
2013-01-19 12:49:44 AM

Ed Grubermann: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 420x640]


That guy's face looks like a younger Stephen King.
 
2013-01-19 12:50:50 AM

mgshamster: Keizer_Ghidorah: mgshamster: Keizer_Ghidorah: mgshamster: Keizer_Ghidorah: They're fictional, made of ink and paper. And they're not going to make people think "Why can't real women be like this?! I HATE ALL REAL WOMEN NOW!!". Can we please stop being retarded about this so-called "problem"?

Because battling sexism in fictional media just isn't something you should worry your pretty little head over.

Are the fictional women not being paid enough to dress and pose they way they do? Are they being prevented from aspiring to higher positions in their places of employment? Are Power Girl and Rogue being forced to stay home and raise the kids? No? And if they were, does it matter, because they don't exist? Then I'm sorry, I don't see why I should get outraged at ink-and-paint characters being drawn more attractively than real people and posed in ways that real people can't imitate. Most of them also have superpowers, am I supposed to be outraged at that as well because real women can't shoot ice from their hands or create pshychokintetic blades?

I'm all for women's lib and equality in real life. I don't see the need or reason to demonize and attack comic books for it.

But you do feel strongly enough to attack those who are bothered by it and want to make change. Got it.

/If you don't like it, then let those of us who do care handle it
//You don't worry your pretty little head over it anymore

Change what? You're upset because make-believe women don't look and act like real women, and somehow that makes real men want to treat real women like less than human. Your reasoning seems a lot like the "video games make kids kill" reasoning. Maybe you could explain it better, show some sound evidence that it's true, something besides your idiotic little condescension that only works to make me less inclined to offer you any help or compassion.

That's a lot of assumptions you're making. And the only reason I was condescending towards you is because you opened like an asshole by calling those who want more positive female influence in fantasy "retarded."


So anyways, keizer, I apologize for being a dick. Can't post much, because I'm using my phone (difficult to articulate arguments and evidence on a smaller device). I'll try to do something better tomorrow, if I can get the chance, when I'm at my home computer.
 
2013-01-19 12:51:54 AM

Fano: Elfen Lied


Hm, I just checked Wikipedia:

A majority of the episodes contain graphic violence, including instances of torture, and at one point the series addresses consequences of the rape of a child. The series also includes scenes that present female nudity and strong language (specifically in the English dub). The series juxtaposes many different tones and genres and was described by Anime News Network as "mixing insane amounts of violence with a heavy dose of 'ultra-cuteness.'"[10] The series balances its darker themes with romantic sub-plots as well as many comic moments. Elfen Lied has been described as similar to, or borrowing elements from Chobits, 3x3 Eyes[11] and Gunslinger Girl.[10]

Yeah, no thanks.
 
2013-01-19 01:11:29 AM

Max Awesome: Fano: Elfen Lied

Hm, I just checked Wikipedia:

A majority of the episodes contain graphic violence, including instances of torture, and at one point the series addresses consequences of the rape of a child. The series also includes scenes that present female nudity and strong language (specifically in the English dub). The series juxtaposes many different tones and genres and was described by Anime News Network as "mixing insane amounts of violence with a heavy dose of 'ultra-cuteness.'"[10] The series balances its darker themes with romantic sub-plots as well as many comic moments. Elfen Lied has been described as similar to, or borrowing elements from Chobits, 3x3 Eyes[11] and Gunslinger Girl.[10]

Yeah, no thanks.


That's uh, a really restrained description of the show, actually.
 
2013-01-19 01:27:57 AM

Max Awesome: Keizer_Ghidorah:

Reminds me a bit of Tom of Finland, one of my favorite male artists.

One of his naughty works (NSFW)

Tom's work is amazing and I used to think it was the ultimate in attractive male artwork, but the I discovered Harry Bush, and now Tom's work looks less impressive, even though they both use the same ink-wash technique.

I think the difference is that Bush based his drawings on photographs, and he had a much stronger grasp of anatomy, while Tom seems more cartoony and exaggerated to me.

Bringing this back to fantasy/comic book art: if today's fantasy artists based their artwork on real life models instead of just copying the broken-back short-hand bullshiat of other artists then even the sexy lady poses found in so many book covers and comic books would at least look grounded in reality.

This cover of the new all female X-Men book by Oliver Copiel is brilliant - strong X-Women, facing the viewer straight-on with no twisted spines or multiple butt-boob shots, and yet they look beautiful and confident.

[i42.photobucket.com image 534x711]

It actually is possible to draw attractive fantasy females that will sell books to us fanboys without violating basic human anatomy.


Personally, I don't care if it's "cartoony" or "Realistic", if I like how it looks then I like it. Poses don't bother me, sexiness doesn't bother me, if I like it then that's that.

And, honestly, it feels silly to me how everyone wants realism from a medium where people fly under their own power, change shapes at will, fire various types of beams and elements from their bodies, regularly battle gods and demons and giant robots, are from a myriad of alternate universes and dimensions, and aren't drawn to look realistic in the first place.
 
2013-01-19 02:14:44 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah:
And, honestly, it feels silly to me how everyone wants realism from a medium where people fly under their own power, change shapes at will, fire various types of beams and elements from their bodies, regularly battle gods and demons and giant robots, are from a myriad of alternate universes and dimensions, and aren't drawn to look realistic in the first place.


Heh. Yeah, true that.

The latest issue of Captain Marvel was drawn by the new series regular artist Filipe Andrade , who is not at all a traditional comic book illustrator; he's much more loose and cartoony. A lot of fans are freaking out about his non-realistic style - but for some reason I love it:

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2013-01-19 02:43:54 AM

rev. dave: HotWingAgenda: Dear weeaboos,

Japanimation is not the same f*cking thing as Sci-Fi or Fantasy art. Leave your hideously disproportioned monsters in your mom's basement.

I disagree. After 30 years of liking the fantasy genre in fiction, a little sci-fi, I loved epic length series fantasy novels that develops stories in the thousands of pages. Then 2 years ago I finally see some of the more quality anime. The good stories, ones that have over 200 episodes. This is what I loved all my life. Magic, swords, battles long duration character development. I may not be as far along to be annoying, but the plot material follows many of the same themes and fanservice is annoying. You must not have a lot of exposure to this or are just feeling judgemental. Some of the stories are the best fiction you can find, IMHO of course.

/I only found out what weeaboo was about 2 weeks ago.


Do you like space opera? If you do, stop what you're doing right now and go find some Legend of the Galactic Heroes.
 
2013-01-19 03:20:28 AM

Max Awesome: Do you have any recommendations or links for those of us who are unfamiliar with this genre?


Battle Angel Alita was one of the first manga I ever read. It is full of combat, action, and blood and guts, along with beautiful stories about finding your true self, stories of love, loss, and letting go of the past.

I re-read it about once a year. The story and character development is so incredible I still tear up at parts of it.

Ghost in the Shell is more of the story of an elite special forces task force who uncover various nefarious schemes by terrorists and government agencies. Robots, powered armor, brain hacking, body swapping, and close quarters combat. There is less in the way of character development, because the story is about uncovering the various plots more then it is about the characters growing and changing. (Ghost in the shell 2: Innocence is a somewhat notable exception, which partially revolves around the mental state of Batou after what happens at the end of the first movie.)

Appleseed is a story about the distant future, where humanity has pretty much wiped itself out. To help prevent the complete destruction of humanity, scientists created Bioroids, genetically altered humans who do not have the capacity for strong emotion like love, hate, and rage. They act as a buffer between humans to keep society stable. Naturally, not all humans like this idea, and are afraid the bioroids will wipe out humanity entirely. City destroying battles ensue with giant suits of powered armor. There is also something of a love story between the Deunan and her point man Briarios, who lost his body in the war and is now a complete cyborg.

If you're looking for a philosophical sort of thing that will leave you scratching your head and wondering just what the hell is going on, I recommend Serial Experiments Lain. It's a story that takes place in "present day, present time" and begins when a little girl named Lain begins getting e-mails from classmates who have committed suicide, that claim they have only given up their bodies.

Anything by Myazaki is fantastic, family friendly (though sometimes violent and a bit scary), and worth watching. Princess Mononoke, Spirited Away, Howls Moving Castle, Naussica, all are absolutely amazing.

Cowboy bebop is fantastic. Incredible animation, great plot, and it's cowboys in space hunting bounties. It never gets to serious either, A lot of vignettes, frequently driven by characters back stories.

Samurai Champloo is like cowboy bebop, only in a fictitious feudal Japan. Great music, great fights, and again, lots of vignettes without too deep of a backstory to worry about.

If you like vampires, Check out Hellsing.

The new Evangelion Movies are bloody fantastic. The original series is worth watching, but gets dragged down a bit by the depression Anno was suffering while writing it. EVERYONE is psychologically damaged, and he spends a bit too much time making that point clear. Also, the Eva TV series got its funding pulled near the end due to a particularly gruesome giant robot fight. Rivers ran red with blood. The last 2 episodes are mostly stock footage and storyboards due to lack of money. The movies, End of Evangelion, and Death and Rebirth are... well I think they are an expression of anno's rage at people not understanding the TV series. If you watch all of the TV series and like it, you'll probably like them too, but you will be shocked.

Stay away from shiat like elfen lied, chobits, lucky star, and pretty much anything that revolves around high school life. It's all crap pandering to what tests well with otaku, and they tend to lack serious depth.
 
2013-01-19 04:01:27 AM
It's almost as if comic book drawings were not photographs and might rely on exaggerated if not symbolic imagery to convey visual information.
 
2013-01-19 04:15:45 AM

Mutt Farkinov: Ed Grubermann: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 420x640]

That guy's face looks like a younger Stephen King.


It is. Paul Sheldon is the main character in Misery. That's the fake book cover for the Misery book Kathy Bates forced out of that dirty birdie Paul.
 
2013-01-19 05:37:29 AM

fluffy2097: pretty much anything that revolves around high school life.


Two exceptions. Ranma 1/2 and Vision of Escaflowne.

Ranma because it is just so bizarre and most decidedly NOT grounded in reality. It takes what might have been typical teenage drama and turns it sideways every chance it gets and typically in a very comedic fashion. It is hard to sum up a show where in the first episode the main character gets cursed, ends up changing into a girl when he gets hit with cold water, finds out he is supposed to be in an arranged marriage, and has his bride to be hit him over the head with a table because he thinks he has nicer breasts. Oh, and his dad is also cursed and ends up turning into a panda.

Escaflowne starts off looking and sounding like a sappy teen high school romance. Then all of the sudden you have dragons, angels, flying fortresses, and magic powered steampunk mechs with political drama and war. In the middle of all this you still have the whiny love sick teenage girl trying to figure out what just happened to her life and her world. Pretty much the only real downside is they picked one of the most annoying voice actors I have ever heard for one of the main villains. On the other hand it does help the audience hate him and want to see him die so maybe that is what they were going for when they did the casting.
 
2013-01-19 06:38:39 AM

fluffy2097: Cowboy bebop is fantastic. Incredible animation, great plot, and it's cowboys in space hunting bounties. It never gets to serious either, A lot of vignettes, frequently driven by characters back stories.


Seconding.

fluffy2097: pretty much anything that revolves around high school life. It's all crap pandering to what tests well with otaku, and they tend to lack serious depth.


One of those exceptions however is, Great Teacher Onizuka. Ex-biker gang leader becomes a high school teacher and gets a class of delinquents at a private school. Amazing ensues.

And if you're looking for sci-fi, I'd suggest:
1) Time of Eve - 6 episode series that's harder sci-fi than most animu. A very Asimov look at the sociology of human/android interaction; takes place in a coffee shop that has the rule of not drawing a distinction between man and machine. Absolutely orgeous art. Link
2) PlanetES - About a team of space debris retrieval specialists; pretty hard sci-fi, with a handful of comedic episodes. Goes into the ramifications of an economy shifting to space and what that means for the countries that don't have the infrastructure to keep up.
 
2013-01-19 06:49:59 AM

Hacker_X: fluffy2097: pretty much anything that revolves around high school life.

Two exceptions. Ranma 1/2 and Vision of Escaflowne.

Ranma because it is just so bizarre and most decidedly NOT grounded in reality. It takes what might have been typical teenage drama and turns it sideways every chance it gets and typically in a very comedic fashion. It is hard to sum up a show where in the first episode the main character gets cursed, ends up changing into a girl when he gets hit with cold water, finds out he is supposed to be in an arranged marriage, and has his bride to be hit him over the head with a table because he thinks he has nicer breasts. Oh, and his dad is also cursed and ends up turning into a panda.

Escaflowne starts off looking and sounding like a sappy teen high school romance. Then all of the sudden you have dragons, angels, flying fortresses, and magic powered steampunk mechs with political drama and war. In the middle of all this you still have the whiny love sick teenage girl trying to figure out what just happened to her life and her world. Pretty much the only real downside is they picked one of the most annoying voice actors I have ever heard for one of the main villains. On the other hand it does help the audience hate him and want to see him die so maybe that is what they were going for when they did the casting.


I agree! Ranma 1/2 set the bar for slapstick harem anime, and people have been poorly imitating it ever since.

The Slayers is also fantastic fantasy comedy.

Escaflowne is wonderful as well.

My theory behind this is that they were made in the late 80s and early 90s. shiat's all been downhill since then with very few exceptions.

About the time when anime became big business in America, then crashed because fansubbers could do the job of corporations better, faster and cheaper, everything went into the toilet.

Not to mention that Satoshi Kon died, the Creator of Perfect Blue, Paranoia Agent and Paprika.

Masamune Shirow now has oodles of cash to and is set for life, and just draws porn for a living now. I'd love for him to produce more work but he's put out so many incredible stories I can see that he might simply be tapped out. Real Drive was interesting, but had a lot of vagueness in the plot that is just unlike him. Still, it had wonderful characters... Holon
Miyazaki is no longer producing as many incredible works either. He's still making things, but they just haven't been so epic since howls moving castle in 2004 if you ask me.

Yoshiatoshi ABe, Who did Lain, Haibane Renmei and Texhnolyze hasn't put anything out in almost a decade either.

We've lost all the great visionaries, and they've been replaced with network executives who just want things that will get viewership.
 
2013-01-19 06:53:57 AM

ProfessorOhki:
And if you're looking for sci-fi, I'd suggest:
1) Time of Eve - 6 episode series that's harder sci-fi than most animu. A very Asimov look at the sociology of human/android interaction; takes place in a coffee shop that has the rule of not drawing a distinction between man and machine. Absolutely orgeous art. Link
2) PlanetES - About a team of space debris retrieval specialists; pretty hard sci-fi, with a handful of comedic episodes. Goes into the ramifications of an economy shifting to space and what that means for the countries that don't have the infrastructure to keep up.


I have watched both of those and loved them.

PlanetES is a bit hard to get into though. The heroine is a whiny obnoxious high school brat through the first 3 episodes or so before she settles in and becomes cool, and the story languishes a bit towards the end, but it's worth the watching.
 
2013-01-19 06:59:06 AM
Another good recent one was REDLINE.

Scifi-fantasy with a wonderful disregard for the laws of physics, reality or sanity, and it revels in it. The art style is incredible, and it's about an illegal space race where the military's of entire planets try to stop them, only to be completely helpless. Graffitiing the finish line over the central government building of the planet most against the race was a stroke of genius.
 
2013-01-19 07:03:51 AM

fluffy2097: We've lost all the great visionaries, and they've been replaced with network executives who just want things that will get viewership.


Define "visionary"

www.mechadamashii.com
"...and they're like *zoom* *pew pew pew* and then everyone starts singing at the aliens."
"that's... retarded"
"uuuuh, combining orgasm robot fights a gay angel?"
"Wait, what? No. Damn it Shoji, you've got one chance left."
"Alright, alright, what if CARS could play BASKETBALL?"

/Who am I kidding
//everything he touches turns into gold
///and missiles
 
2013-01-19 07:13:15 AM

ProfessorOhki: fluffy2097: We've lost all the great visionaries, and they've been replaced with network executives who just want things that will get viewership.

Define "visionary"

[www.mechadamashii.com image 480x347]
"...and they're like *zoom* *pew pew pew* and then everyone starts singing at the aliens."
"that's... retarded"
"uuuuh, combining orgasm robot fights a gay angel?"
"Wait, what? No. Damn it Shoji, you've got one chance left."
"Alright, alright, what if CARS could play BASKETBALL?"

/Who am I kidding
//everything he touches turns into gold
///and missiles


images.wikia.com

Approves.
 
2013-01-19 07:14:01 AM

fluffy2097: Another good recent one was REDLINE.

Scifi-fantasy with a wonderful disregard for the laws of physics, reality or sanity, and it revels in it. The art style is incredible, and it's about an illegal space race where the military's of entire planets try to stop them, only to be completely helpless. Graffitiing the finish line over the central government building of the planet most against the race was a stroke of genius.


Again, seconding. Saw that one in a theater, I see why it took 7 years to produce. One last rec before I take of. Recent one (in case older animations bugs you): Tiger & Bunny. It's Mystery Men meets buddy cop. Corporately sponsored superheros, they team the idealistic veteran who's popularity's sagged up with new guy. Worth mentioning if not just for the fact the lead character is a late 30's single dad instead of generic highschool kid #45617 which is refreshing.
 
2013-01-19 09:38:03 AM

fluffy2097: Two exceptions. Ranma 1/2 and Vision of Escaflowne.


I've got to put another vote in for Slayers. It is an awesome anime series.
 
2013-01-19 11:21:18 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Change what?


Here's a good start to get background information: Link

It's not just comics. You make it seem like I'm attacking your precious comic books. I read comics.  So does my wife and so do a lot of my female friends.  It's geek culture in general.  There are so many other media where the same problem exists.  I usually focus on table top RPGs, and if you read the previous posts, you may have noticed that Mike Chewbacca and I were talking about it.

It does affect real life. When a woman walks into a hobby store and sees that most of the products are aimed at objectifying women, it can be degrading. It teaches people that it's acceptable.  In comics, female characters are usually the ones who wear sexy, revealing costumes that have nothing to do with their character.  Female characters are usually posed in a porn star pose. I've heard complaints that only beautiful women are created, and you rarely seen average or ugly, but in comic books, that's usually true for all the characters, so in my opinion, it balances out. However, in RPGs, it doesn't.  For men, you can find an array of ugly, average, and hot men in various styles and cultures. However, when women are depicted, they're almost always hot and sexy, wearing revealing clothing.  Or when you have plot lines in fantastic comics (and other media) that simply use women as part of the plot without actually caring about them. Like in the Batman comic, "The Killer Joke" where Barbara Gorden was kidnapped, paralyzed, and degraded as a plot hook for the male characters, and then she was forgotten about. Before that even happened, though, Moore asked DC for permission, and the exact quote he got in response was, "Yeah, okay, cripple the biatch."

It's not that some comics are bad and some are good. It's that it is so prevalent among geek culture that it's an issue.  And I don't really know what to do about it, except raise awareness and simply talk about it.

So why do I, as a male, talk about this? Because I've actually listened to women complain about these issues. I didn't hand-wave their concerns aside, and say, "They're just comic books; they don't exist. Get over it."
 
2013-01-19 12:05:03 PM

mgshamster: "Yeah, okay, cripple the biatch."


Oh my god, that is horrible. Did she call the police, or was the Batman involved?
 
2013-01-19 12:38:40 PM

Max Awesome: Keizer_Ghidorah:
And, honestly, it feels silly to me how everyone wants realism from a medium where people fly under their own power, change shapes at will, fire various types of beams and elements from their bodies, regularly battle gods and demons and giant robots, are from a myriad of alternate universes and dimensions, and aren't drawn to look realistic in the first place.

Heh. Yeah, true that.

The latest issue of Captain Marvel was drawn by the new series regular artist Filipe Andrade , who is not at all a traditional comic book illustrator; he's much more loose and cartoony. A lot of fans are freaking out about his non-realistic style - but for some reason I love it:

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So do I actually; it's a little off-kilter but it's fun looking.
 
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