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2013-01-18 03:49:22 PM  

fluffy2097: Theaetetus: fluffy2097: Theaetetus: No. The barely-there sexualized outfits are unique to female characters.

That's because men don't wear leotards.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 350x560]
Jules Leotard, inventor of the leotard, begs to differ, you farkin' tard.

Can you find an image that's not 120 years old please?


Male gymnasts wear leotards all the time. I dare you to call them unmanly.
 
2013-01-18 03:51:03 PM  

fluffy2097: Theaetetus: fluffy2097: Theaetetus: fluffy2097: Theaetetus: No. The barely-there sexualized outfits are unique to female characters.

That's because men don't wear leotards.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 350x560]
Jules Leotard, inventor of the leotard, begs to differ, you farkin' tard.

Can you find an image that's not 120 years old please?

[www.flyandmighty.com image 303x500]

So I guess barely there sexualized outfits are for men too huh? I thought you said they weren't.


Actually, that get up kind of neutered him. You can't even tell he's got genitals.
 
2013-01-18 03:53:25 PM  

fluffy2097: OH GOD! SHES SO SEXUALIZED!
[i.imgur.com image 800x574]
EVEN MORE PROOF THAT WOMEN IN ART ARE ONLY SEXUAL OBJECTS!

[i.imgur.com image 850x680]


I'm confused; are you trying to argue that posing women in physically impossible sexual poses that has nothing to do with the situation they are in (which is usually fighting in combat) while wearing skimpy outfits and high heels is ok simply because other media exists where that doesn't happen?
 
2013-01-18 03:54:45 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: Male gymnasts wear leotards all the time. I dare you to call them unmanly.


Having been a gymnast, I can tell you for a fact, that

A:they make your dick look HUGE

B: you wear pants over them.

/Or maybe I just have a giant dick.
//However big it is, my girlfriend is quite happy with it so whatever.
 
2013-01-18 03:57:25 PM  

mgshamster: I'm confused; are you trying to argue that posing women in physically impossible sexual poses that has nothing to do with the situation they are in (which is usually fighting in combat) while wearing skimpy outfits and high heels is ok simply because other media exists where that doesn't happen?


I'm arguing that there are plenty of strong female characters out there that aren't drawn by comic book artists who don't know how anatomy works, and it's farking silly to get your panties in a wad over Rob Liefeld and his ilk.

I'm also arguing that there are situations where a strong female heroine can use sexuality and lack of clothing to her advantage, without being a helpless waif.
 
2013-01-18 03:58:02 PM  

fluffy2097: Theaetetus: fluffy2097: Theaetetus: fluffy2097: Theaetetus: No. The barely-there sexualized outfits are unique to female characters.

That's because men don't wear leotards.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 350x560]
Jules Leotard, inventor of the leotard, begs to differ, you farkin' tard.

Can you find an image that's not 120 years old please?

[www.flyandmighty.com image 303x500]

So I guess barely there sexualized outfits are for men too huh? I thought you said they weren't.


You thought wrong.
 
2013-01-18 03:59:15 PM  

fluffy2097: mgshamster: I'm confused; are you trying to argue that posing women in physically impossible sexual poses that has nothing to do with the situation they are in (which is usually fighting in combat) while wearing skimpy outfits and high heels is ok simply because other media exists where that doesn't happen?

I'm arguing that there are plenty of strong female characters out there that aren't drawn by comic book artists who don't know how anatomy works, and it's farking silly to get your panties in a wad over Rob Liefeld and his ilk.

I'm also arguing that there are situations where a strong female heroine can use sexuality and lack of clothing to her advantage, without being a helpless waif.


Ok. So you're arguing that other media exists, so just ignore the ones that are bad.
 
2013-01-18 04:01:03 PM  

Theaetetus: No. The barely-there sexualized outfits are unique to female characters.


/derp
 
2013-01-18 04:01:41 PM  

Theaetetus: fluffy2097: Theaetetus: fluffy2097: Theaetetus: fluffy2097: Theaetetus: No. The barely-there sexualized outfits are unique to female characters.

That's because men don't wear leotards.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 350x560]
Jules Leotard, inventor of the leotard, begs to differ, you farkin' tard.

Can you find an image that's not 120 years old please?

[www.flyandmighty.com image 303x500]

So I guess barely there sexualized outfits are for men too huh? I thought you said they weren't.

You thought wrong.


She contradicts herself again. As per her original quote (also copied in her "refutation")
No. The barely-there sexualized outfits are unique to female characters.
 
2013-01-18 04:03:34 PM  

mgshamster: Ok. So you're arguing that other media exists, so just ignore the ones that are bad.


Sure. Why not? Why should I waste time wading through crap like Liefeld? Why should I give ANY thought to a man who doesn't know how spines work?

I'd much rather see the lack of any sort of decent PLOT in most modern media be addressed before skimpy outfits and unrealistic poses are.
 
2013-01-18 04:03:50 PM  

fluffy2097: Theaetetus: No. The barely-there sexualized outfits are unique to female characters.

/derp


Because People in power are Stupid: She contradicts herself again. As per her original quote (also copied in her "refutation")
No. The barely-there sexualized outfits are unique to female characters.


When did photos of people in real life become equivalent to drawings of sci fi and fantasy characters?
 
2013-01-18 04:05:27 PM  
One of my favorite current artists appears to be influenced by Frank Frazetta - Frank Cho.

He certainly shares Frazetta's appreciation for loin-cloths, dinosaurs and butt-shots. In fact he's often criticized for somehow managing to include a lady's perfectly delineated ass in practically every panel - but he gets a pass from me because his women tend to be so beautifully drawn, with muscle-tone, weight, and an actual understanding of anatomy.

i42.photobucket.com

i42.photobucket.com

But part of why I love Cho's work so much is that he draws men who are as equally bad-ass and sexy - he doesn't shy away from drawing men's butts and or crotches as expertly as his female figures. He's one of the few comic book artists who actually understand that a muscular guy wearing a leotard isn't going to look like an emasculated Ken doll.

He started a new series this week that is perfect for his talents - The Savage Wolverine:

i42.photobucket.com

i42.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-18 04:06:45 PM  

fluffy2097: Theaetetus: No. The barely-there sexualized outfits are unique to female characters.

/derp


Allow me to help you overcome your reading comprehension failure. Take this first paragraph:
"Would you ever see a comic cover with a guy wearing tight leather pants and a tank top? Sure. Full body spandex suit? Absolutely. But this? No. The barely-there sexualized outfits are unique to female characters."
What is that last sentence saying? That you never see those outfits on men in comic covers.

Now, what did you say?
"So I guess barely there sexualized outfits are for men too huh? I thought you said they weren't."
You're saying that you thought I said that outfits don't exist, period, anywhere.

And finally, is that what I said? No. Therefore, you thought wrong.
 
2013-01-18 04:06:45 PM  

fluffy2097: mgshamster: Ok. So you're arguing that other media exists, so just ignore the ones that are bad.

Sure. Why not? Why should I waste time wading through crap like Liefeld? Why should I give ANY thought to a man who doesn't know how spines work?

I'd much rather see the lack of any sort of decent PLOT in most modern media be addressed before skimpy outfits and unrealistic poses are.


Because we're not just commenting on Liefeld, and this issue isn't just limited to "crap." It's pretty mainstream, as evidenced by that Avengers poster up thread.
 
2013-01-18 04:09:36 PM  

fluffy2097: mgshamster: Ok. So you're arguing that other media exists, so just ignore the ones that are bad.

Sure. Why not? Why should I waste time wading through crap like Liefeld? Why should I give ANY thought to a man who doesn't know how spines work?

I'd much rather see the lack of any sort of decent PLOT in most modern media be addressed before skimpy outfits and unrealistic poses are.


Fair enough.

One of the media that I typically argue against over-sexualization of characters is in gaming rule books (typically table top RPGs); where it usually is only the women characters who are sexualized, and the men are not. The difference, though, is that when I get into conversations about RPG rule books, I'm usually talking to actual developers and designers, rather than here on Fark where I'm just talking to a bunch of random Farkers.
 
2013-01-18 04:15:01 PM  

mgshamster: When did photos of people in real life become equivalent to drawings of sci fi and fantasy characters?


There are sexualized images of men in comics too.

The artist who drew this excellent comic for Mobius for example:

i212.photobucket.com

Where I can't find images of the comic pages in question -but take my word for it -they are as bad or as good as any She-Hulk or WonderWoman or Glamour Magazine cover:

talkingwithtami.com

Of course -people of both gendersrespond to "sexy" images. But to listen to the female-supremacists it's only for Men or because of the fictional Patriarchy or some other such nonsense.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090223221441.htm
 
2013-01-18 04:19:46 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: fluffy2097: Theaetetus: fluffy2097: Theaetetus: No. The barely-there sexualized outfits are unique to female characters.

That's because men don't wear leotards.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 350x560]
Jules Leotard, inventor of the leotard, begs to differ, you farkin' tard.

Can you find an image that's not 120 years old please?

Male gymnasts wear leotards all the time. I dare you to call them unmanly.


Hmm let's see , given the similarity of the activities, there should be little sexual dimophism between male and female gynastic attire, right?  and yet:

male gymnastic wear:
www.csmonitor.com
Female Gymnastic wear:


media.nj.com
 
2013-01-18 04:23:19 PM  

Magorn: Hmm let's see , given the similarity of the activities, there should be little sexual dimophism between male and female gynastic attire, right?  and yet:


Which is a little crazy, honestly... If the cut away legs allow more freedom of movement, then the male gymnasts should be wearing unitards too. And similar for the women's long sleeves.
 
2013-01-18 04:24:53 PM  

Magorn:
Hmm let's see , given the similarity of the activities, there should be little sexual dimophism between male and female gynastic attire, right?  and yet:


I have to say, the leotards girls had to wear for gymnastics kept me doing it for about 2 years after I had lost any interest in actual gymnastics.

The reason the guys end up wearing pants is mostly because otherwise your dick will flop out and you can lose points for that on the pommel horse if it touches the horse.

/I could also beat the entire girls team in a hand stand contest. 24 girls VS me, and I usually won. Sometimes I had to charge towards them and yell to scare them into falling over, but a win is a win \o/
 
2013-01-18 04:28:26 PM  

Max Awesome: One of my favorite current artists appears to be influenced by Frank Frazetta - Frank Cho.

He certainly shares Frazetta's appreciation for loin-cloths, dinosaurs and butt-shots. In fact he's often criticized for somehow managing to include a lady's perfectly delineated ass in practically every panel - but he gets a pass from me because his women tend to be so beautifully drawn, with muscle-tone, weight, and an actual understanding of anatomy.

[i42.photobucket.com image 850x656]

[i42.photobucket.com image 572x868]

But part of why I love Cho's work so much is that he draws men who are as equally bad-ass and sexy - he doesn't shy away from drawing men's butts and or crotches as expertly as his female figures. He's one of the few comic book artists who actually understand that a muscular guy wearing a leotard isn't going to look like an emasculated Ken doll.

He started a new series this week that is perfect for his talents - The Savage Wolverine:

[i42.photobucket.com image 477x733]

[i42.photobucket.com image 674x1024]


I knew Frank personally when he was just starting his career (we worked on a college newspaper together)  And I would say  that while he certainly was a fan of Frazetta and Vallejo, (and classic Cartoon art in general)   he was just as influenced by DaVinci and Michaelangelo.  he was fascinated by human anatomy (his parents wanted him to be a nurse, a career choice I claim a minor amount of credit for talking him out of) and detemined to get it correct in his drawings. (we used to fight over desk blotters he'd doodled on when he got bored in the office).  The most ironic thing about his work is he's often been criticized for his "brandy" character in Liberty Meadows as being an impossibly beautiful and exaggerated representation of the female form.  However I happen to know the  woman "Brandy" was based on, (our editor at the paper) and in real life she was even MORE beautiful thank Frank drew her (among other things she had natural, blood-red hair and SILVER eyes).  He actually toned her down somewhat to make her more believable
 
2013-01-18 04:38:09 PM  

Magorn:

I knew Frank personally when he was just starting his career (we worked on a college newspaper together)  And I would say  that while he certainly was a fan of Frazetta and Vallejo, (and classic Cartoon art in general)   he was just as influenced by DaVinci and Michaelangelo.  he was fascinated by human anatomy (his parents wanted him to be a nurse, a career choice I claim a minor amount of credit for talking him out of) and detemined to get it correct in his drawings. (we used to fight over desk blotters he'd doodled on when he got bored in the office).  The most ironic thing about his work is he's often been criticized for his "brandy" character in Liberty Meadows as being an impossibly beautiful and exaggerated representation of the female form.  However I happen to know the  woman "Brandy" was based on, (our editor at the paper) and in real life she was even MORE beautiful thank Frank drew her (among other things she had natural, b ...


Wow. Coolest CSB of all time.
 
2013-01-18 04:40:20 PM  

mgshamster: fluffy2097: mgshamster: Ok. So you're arguing that other media exists, so just ignore the ones that are bad.

Sure. Why not? Why should I waste time wading through crap like Liefeld? Why should I give ANY thought to a man who doesn't know how spines work?

I'd much rather see the lack of any sort of decent PLOT in most modern media be addressed before skimpy outfits and unrealistic poses are.

Fair enough.

One of the media that I typically argue against over-sexualization of characters is in gaming rule books (typically table top RPGs); where it usually is only the women characters who are sexualized, and the men are not. The difference, though, is that when I get into conversations about RPG rule books, I'm usually talking to actual developers and designers, rather than here on Fark where I'm just talking to a bunch of random Farkers.


Funny you should bring that up...

I know Wayne Reynolds, the main artist for the Pathfinder RPG. He drew this:

rotgrub.files.wordpress.com

I also know this woman, who says that when she dresses up as Amiri, the armor gets in the way of her just walking around, and she can't imagine how cumbersome it would be in actual combat. And notice how ridiculously she has to stand in order to approximate the post in the actual artwork. And this isn't even a particularly sexualized version of an RPG character. Aside from the ridiculous lack of armor on her midriff, of course. And yes, we've all given Wayne shiat for that; he says he drew it that way because it looked cool.

1-media-cdn.foolz.us
 
2013-01-18 04:45:38 PM  
And this is a different symptom of the same problem:

blog.fooyoh.com

Because the tits of a 17-year-old girl co-starring in a PG-rated movie aren't big enough for American audiences.
 
2013-01-18 04:47:55 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: And this is a different symptom of the same problem:

[blog.fooyoh.com image 450x370]

Because the tits of a 17-year-old girl co-starring in a PG-rated movie aren't big enough for American audiences.


Dude, that's because the one on the right is in 3D
 
2013-01-18 04:48:47 PM  

rocky_howard: It's almost as if women and men dressed differently in their idealized forms and women showed more skin:

[i.huffpost.com image 260x190]
[img.ibtimes.com image 850x1173]
[0.tqn.com image 273x400]
[popseoul.files.wordpress.com image 400x633]
[bmmoejackson2.files.wordpress.com image 600x400]
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 255x400]
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 216x320]
[l.yimg.com image 310x450]
[media2.onsugar.com image 550x550]
[l.yimg.com image 450x316]


I notice that none of those women have both their boobs and their ass pointed toward the camera at the same time.
 
2013-01-18 04:49:26 PM  

serial_crusher: Mike Chewbacca: And this is a different symptom of the same problem:

[blog.fooyoh.com image 450x370]

Because the tits of a 17-year-old girl co-starring in a PG-rated movie aren't big enough for American audiences.

Dude, that's because the one on the right is in 3D


more like 3 double D!
 
2013-01-18 04:51:27 PM  

serial_crusher: Mike Chewbacca: And this is a different symptom of the same problem:

[blog.fooyoh.com image 450x370]

Because the tits of a 17-year-old girl co-starring in a PG-rated movie aren't big enough for American audiences.

Dude, that's because the one on the right is in 3D


Okay, that's pretty damn funny!
 
2013-01-18 04:59:26 PM  

fluffy2097: She doesn't give a single goddamn shiat about what her cyborg shell is dressed in. If anything, it's a tactical decision. A lecherous hump might stare at her instead of pulling the trigger.

Heres another shot of Motoko in one of her "powerless, submissive nearly naked outfits."


images3.wikia.nocookie.net

FTFY
 
2013-01-18 05:04:01 PM  

Theaetetus: We could also talk about clothing. I don't think that one's nearly so blatant, beyond the half-tank. Would you ever see a comic cover with a guy wearing tight leather pants and a tank top? Sure. Full body spandex suit? Absolutely.
But this?


I take it you either don't read comics at all or have someone else buy them for you. Otherwise you'd probably have heard of Namor, who is bare-chested and whose entire uniform consists of a codpiece:

images2.wikia.nocookie.net

Admittedly, there is more cleavage on female uniforms because it's actually been compatible with female fashion longer than it has with male, but actually a lot of male character designs for characters originating in the 70s/80s or earlier used it as shorthand for virility as well:

images2.wikia.nocookie.net
(OK, so this was after they changed it to a vest, my GIS skills are bad, I'm sorry)

There was actually an entire aesthetic movement called "camp" that emphasized male secondary sexual characteristics in art/performance and de-emphasized female. The most recent example I can pull up offhand is the Batman and Robin film. You might know it as the one with nipples on the bat-suit, but if you think a bit longer you might realize that a lot of the female costumes were fairly low on cleavage (freeze's minion was in a parka even in scenes that weren't particularly cold, iirc)

//This isn't probably an argument you want to get into on this particular forum, by the way, if you actually want to 'win', because any example you can think of has probably been done at some point without a trace of irony, and a lot of us read the damned things.
//Though, if you want to learn a lot of vaguely uncomfortable things about comics or exploitation media in general...
 
2013-01-18 05:05:38 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Otherwise you'd probably have heard of Namor, who is bare-chested and whose entire uniform consists of a codpiece:

[images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 471x726]


Theaetetus: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 471x726]
Prince Namor is not amused.


Same picture even. Maybe you should read the thread rather than going off half-cocked next time, hmmm?
 
2013-01-18 05:09:21 PM  

Theaetetus: Jim_Callahan: Otherwise you'd probably have heard of Namor, who is bare-chested and whose entire uniform consists of a codpiece:

[images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 471x726]

Theaetetus: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 471x726]
Prince Namor is not amused.

Same picture even. Maybe you should read the thread rather than going off half-cocked next time, hmmm?


You beat me to it.
 
2013-01-18 05:09:31 PM  

stevetherobot: I believe 'bodice ripper' refers to a subset of romance novels in which sex is often depicted as quasi-rape.


Or, as it's called in erotic fiction groups "non-consensual" sex. This is different from "rape".

Rape: No no no no no no no no
Non-consensual: No no no no no yes yes

On topic, it's not the "sexy" factor that's annoying. But it would be nice if the women were anatomically possible, and if you're going to put them in armour, make it functional. It's not a huge ask, is it?

Also, yes, the bulbous men are ridiculous and appeal to a pretty small subset of women. The bulbous men are fantasies of men for themselves, not for women. If they did a poll, the would find a far higher proportion of women are into swimmer / gymnast / athletes bodies (lithe, slim, toned, proportioned), than weightlifter / bodybuilder bodies (bulbous, disproportioned, cumbersome).

And the men on romance cover novels? Gross. Every tanned, hairy, greasy 80s stereotype in one.

Of course I suspect a major difference is that everyone knows a lot of those men are literally masturbating over the comic book images. I'd be surprised if women were masturbating over the covers of romance novels (the contents yes, but not the actual cover).
 
2013-01-18 05:09:42 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: mgshamster: fluffy2097: mgshamster: Ok. So you're arguing that other media exists, so just ignore the ones that are bad.

Sure. Why not? Why should I waste time wading through crap like Liefeld? Why should I give ANY thought to a man who doesn't know how spines work?

I'd much rather see the lack of any sort of decent PLOT in most modern media be addressed before skimpy outfits and unrealistic poses are.

Fair enough.

One of the media that I typically argue against over-sexualization of characters is in gaming rule books (typically table top RPGs); where it usually is only the women characters who are sexualized, and the men are not. The difference, though, is that when I get into conversations about RPG rule books, I'm usually talking to actual developers and designers, rather than here on Fark where I'm just talking to a bunch of random Farkers.

Funny you should bring that up...

I know Wayne Reynolds, the main artist for the Pathfinder RPG. He drew this:

[rotgrub.files.wordpress.com image 423x750]

I also know this woman, who says that when she dresses up as Amiri, the armor gets in the way of her just walking around, and she can't imagine how cumbersome it would be in actual combat. And notice how ridiculously she has to stand in order to approximate the post in the actual artwork. And this isn't even a particularly sexualized version of an RPG character. Aside from the ridiculous lack of armor on her midriff, of course. And yes, we've all given Wayne shiat for that; he says he drew it that way because it looked cool.

[1-media-cdn.foolz.us image 340x531]


Great example.

I can't seem to find it right now (or remember the character's name), but I remember seeing a female character that was described as being somewhat comely and very shy, and the artwork that went with the character was a scantly clad smoking hot chick showing off her ass and chest, published in one of the books (can't even remember if it was a Pathfinder book, but I was on the Paizo forums when it was brought up).
 
2013-01-18 05:17:31 PM  

Theaetetus: Max Awesome: What the heck is wrong with a bit of sexual objectification? It sells books.

But it should be done equally, with heroic males presenting their butts and chests on covers in order to attract the female and gay eye - and our money.

Frank Frazetta was a master of this - even when his male figures were wearing the skimpiest of loincloths and their perfectly sculpted buttocks and bulging crotches were the obvious focal point of his paintings the men still managed to look like fierce warriors.

[i42.photobucket.com image 728x1024]

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Even many of his female figures - while essentially nude - were often dynamic, strongly muscled and looked like they could easily beat anybody's ass.

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Today's artists need to learn to strike a similar balance.

Exactly. Some of the trolls in this thread think that if you object to the way women are portrayed in comics, then you must want everyone to be in burlap sacks or some shiat. It's like they believe that every issue must be black and white, with the only possible positions being the ones at the extreme edges: either women can only appear in highly sexualized positions, or all comics must be about the patriarchy-destroying efforts of the Manhater Squad and deviation will result in jail time.


Pretty much. I'm a feminist and an artist, and so are most of my friends/colleagues. We have no interest in giving up drawing hot women! We love good pinups and strong, sexy super heroines! Really, the biggest change most of us advocate is artists thinking of their characters as people first, women second. Less contorted poses with only tenuous connections to environment/plot/other characters, more focus on narrative. Less same-face bedroom eyes, more thought given to a character's personality and how sexy can manifest in many different ways, from perky (Harley Quinn) to slinky (Catwoman) to old-school siren (Poison Ivy).

Adam Hughes is an artist a lot of us look up to, because his women seem actively engaged with their world, because his Wonder Woman has a different facial structure than his Catwoman. I understand the pressures artists are under to perform under a deadline, to appease an audience that enjoys a pretty ladies ... but it's not that hard to accomplish these things in a way that doesn't alienate half the population. It just takes a little thought.

/Participated in the Hawkwaye Initiative, but mostly for the lulz.
//Hawkeye is just an inherently lulzy character, anyway.
 
2013-01-18 05:23:07 PM  

ProfessorOhki: fluffy2097: She doesn't give a single goddamn shiat about what her cyborg shell is dressed in. If anything, it's a tactical decision. A lecherous hump might stare at her instead of pulling the trigger.

Heres another shot of Motoko in one of her "powerless, submissive nearly naked outfits."

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 310x479]

FTFY


Now admit it. You'd hesitate shooting a woman dressed like that, wouldn't you?

/And she'd fry your brain while you hesitated.
 
2013-01-18 05:23:08 PM  
fc05.deviantart.net

/posted for the lulz
 
2013-01-18 05:26:20 PM  
img842.imageshack.us
Since 1995
 
2013-01-18 05:33:31 PM  

kid_icarus: serial_crusher: I_C_Weener: serial_crusher: ***snip***

It's kinda a moot point in a way. Their male bodies are still ridiculously over-idealized. (If they were able to draw their junk, I'm sure that would also be idealized to the point of absurdity.)


Would Thing's thing be rock too?
 
2013-01-18 05:35:19 PM  
GiS for Dr. MANHATTAN turned up nothing but a speedo. Can a brutha get a lab coat?

Not knowing anatomy is one thing... and not very sexy. I cant draw any better though. But there are loads of males who are dressed skimpy and not as sexy. Mainly because women are sexier IN GENERAL. Tons of aliens and males wear skimpy costumes... but even with a one piece bathing suit, some things are just not sexy. They have just as many irrational poses for males, but they are not sexy- because women are sexy in a way nothing else is when in skimpy clothes. THERE was a time a woman was a slut for wearing her hair down.. because women entice. Look at how many mens underwear stores there are. None on my block.
 
2013-01-18 05:39:54 PM  

fluffy2097: ProfessorOhki: fluffy2097: She doesn't give a single goddamn shiat about what her cyborg shell is dressed in. If anything, it's a tactical decision. A lecherous hump might stare at her instead of pulling the trigger.

Heres another shot of Motoko in one of her "powerless, submissive nearly naked outfits."

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 310x479]

FTFY

Now admit it. You'd hesitate shooting a woman dressed like that, wouldn't you?

/And she'd fry your brain while you hesitated.


More and more ridiculous, but fine:
1) She didn't know I was there: why is she lying supine with her back-arched, semi-bound, with absolute cleavage? Just to get the jump on someone who might show up?
2) She already knew I was there. She's the farking Major. It doesn't matter what she looks like, if she was aware of me I'd be dead a dozen ways before I could even go "ooooh,"and almost more of them more efficient than taking the time to be ogled.

/I mean, FFS, she has thermoptic camo
//"Invisible" tends to give a pretty good tactical advantage
 
2013-01-18 05:48:38 PM  

Theaetetus: Same picture even. Maybe you should read the thread rather than going off half-cocked next time, hmmm?


Are you on your period?
 
2013-01-18 05:54:32 PM  

Theaetetus: Thor Girl.


That's not a real thing, is it?
 
2013-01-18 06:06:35 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Theaetetus: Same picture even. Maybe you should read the thread rather than going off half-cocked next time, hmmm?

Are you on your period?


No, but I did just sit on my balls.
 
2013-01-18 07:07:29 PM  

Magorn: Ed Grubermann: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 420x640]

Now this panel illustrates the danger of using Male models for a romance book cover, as many of them are gay, as this guy clearly is.  The hot chick is wrapping herself around him, and he's not even looking at her, but staring off into the middle distance with a "The shiat I have to put upp with just to pay the bills" expression on his face


Do you even know who that is?
 
2013-01-18 07:26:45 PM  
Too many :words:, not enough sexy pikshurs.

What? ;)
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-18 07:40:36 PM  
mgshamster: Boob armor? Please. That would concentrate a blow to the chest, not deflect it.

David Eddings used this for comic effect in one of his lightweight fantasy novels:
Precisely ten days later the princess, with Durnik once again in tow, returned to Delban's workshop. The mail shirt the craftsman had fastened was so light that it could almost have been described as delicate. The helmet, hammered from thin steel, was surmounted with a white plume and was encircled with a gold crown. The greaves, which were to protect the fronts of Ce'Nedra's legs, fit to perfection. There was even an embossed shield rimmed with brass and a light sword with an ornate hilt and scabbard.

Ce'Nedra, however, was staring disapprovingly at the breastplate Delban had made for her. It would quite obviously fit -- too well. "Didn't you forget something?" she asked him.

He picked the breastplate up in his big hands and examined it. "It's all there," he told her. "Front, back, all the straps to hook them together. What else did you want?"

"Isn't it a trifle -- understated?" Ce'Nedra suggested delicately.

"It's made to fit," he replied. "The understatement isn't my fault."

"I wanted a little more --" She made a sort of curving gesture with her hands.

"What for?"

"Just do it."

"What do you plan to put in it?"
She goes on to explain it wasn't meant to be functional armor.
 
2013-01-18 08:07:09 PM  
i.imgur.com

There have been a few well-dressed female protagonists in video games recently. Certainly FemShep was suitably kitted up (although the same can't be said for other Mass Effect characters.) My favorite balance between attractive and appropriate, though, was:

www.kreis-archiv.de

So, yeah, there's still a concession to cleavage, but at least there's a strap for theoretical tightening.
 
2013-01-18 08:08:34 PM  
They're fictional, made of ink and paper. And they're not going to make people think "Why can't real women be like this?! I HATE ALL REAL WOMEN NOW!!". Can we please stop being retarded about this so-called "problem"?
 
2013-01-18 08:22:47 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: And this is a different symptom of the same problem:

[blog.fooyoh.com image 450x370]

Because the tits of a 17-year-old girl co-starring in a PG-rated movie aren't big enough for American audiences.


You know, I'm thinking that may not be just a retouched photo. It looks like two different photos from a rapid fire series of shots. Her hair has moved, the colors for the whole thing are slightly different, etc.. In other words it looks like it was recomposited from the source shots. She may just have breathed in at the moment the shot on the right was taken. We aren't talking about an enormous difference.
 
2013-01-18 08:33:15 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: [fc05.deviantart.net image 574x650]

/posted for the lulz


that is friggin A+ lulz

thanks for the laugh out loud.
 
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