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2013-01-18 04:33:25 PM
I suddenly feel alone, so very alone....
 
2013-01-18 04:35:33 PM

mark12A: So, if Boeing reduces the passenger capacity of the plane by ONE, and substitutes a large, heavy, safe, lead acid gel cell pack for their super-duper Li-ion lightweight, compact battery pack, they'll be good to go, right?


I dunno if the energy density really works that favorably. I'd say more like ten passengers, maybe fifteen for that kind of swap. And where would they shoehorn the lead-acid batteries in the airframe? I'm sure every cubic centimeter is accounted for.
 
2013-01-18 04:36:18 PM

mark12A: I suddenly feel alone, so very alone....


I'm here for you, man.
 
2013-01-18 04:50:51 PM
I dunno if the energy density really works that favorably. I'd say more like ten passengers, maybe fifteen for that kind of swap. And where would they shoehorn the lead-acid batteries in the airframe? I'm sure every cubic centimeter is accounted for.

I thought I heard a talking head on TV say the battery pack in question was the size of a shoebox. If it's just one on the plane, the sub isn't so bad. If there's a bunch, Boeing's farked.
 
2013-01-18 04:53:59 PM

MindStalker: Kraftwerk Orange: Because People in power are Stupid: This is what happens when you try to break the unions. You undermine your knowledge base and behold -a (semi) flying turd.

It's the Union-built planes from Washington that are having all the failures... so far.

The planes assembled in right-to-work South Carolina haven't had any problems... yet. Remains to be seen.

Mostly due to the SC being newer, its planes haven't had as much time in the air. That said, the DreamLiner's parts were contracted out to numerous companies throughout the world. The WA and SC plants are just brain dead assembly, knowledge at them really don't factor in much.


I just hope they get their shiat together, and soon.

\front of the fuselages are made here (Wichita), but no batteries
\\if the 787 tanks, our local economy will go into the shytter
 
2013-01-18 05:11:34 PM
In a few weeks we'll all 3D print our personal private planes anyways, so what's the worry? I'll print my own F-23, with full fuel tanks!
 
2013-01-18 09:28:17 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Outsourcing only works if there is constant scrutiny of the delivered goods. This has been demonstrated over and over again. I imagine the people who are really in love with it -are either very good at it or not very familiar with it... Boeing in this case had no prior experience with outsourcing so they fall into the latter group.


What? Major parts of Boeings have been made by outside contractors for decades. Engines, landing gear, avionics, flaps and slats, chunks of fuselage etc.
 
2013-01-18 09:35:41 PM
onscreencars.com

/oblig. (in this case...)
 
2013-01-18 10:30:04 PM

mark12A: I dunno if the energy density really works that favorably. I'd say more like ten passengers, maybe fifteen for that kind of swap. And where would they shoehorn the lead-acid batteries in the airframe? I'm sure every cubic centimeter is accounted for.

I thought I heard a talking head on TV say the battery pack in question was the size of a shoebox. If it's just one on the plane, the sub isn't so bad. If there's a bunch, Boeing's farked.


The battery is the size of a shoebox. One of many shoe boxes needed to power the plane.

These batteries have been a huge debate with the FAA for some time due to their propensity to catch fire and sustain said fire. They are also very picky when it comes to charging if you don't regulate them right and do things like catch fire.

//fire.
 
2013-01-18 10:55:48 PM

SWOne: I work on the 787, so I am really getting a kick out of Kraftwerk Orang lack of knowledge.


I'd be curious to hear you take on all this.

/no snark, genuinely curious
 
2013-01-18 11:48:32 PM

relaxitsjustme: SWOne: I work on the 787, so I am really getting a kick out of Kraftwerk Orang lack of knowledge.

I'd be curious to hear you take on all this.

/no snark, genuinely curious


My mother worked at a US based plant that made parts for the 787. Boeing forced her company to further outsource to China. It turned out to be a colossal cluster fark as the Chinese company had extreme difficulty producing parks to the specs and blue prints they were sent. Her company had to send over dozens of engineers for almost a year to get things straight. Multiply that by 100 different outsourcers and that in a nutshell is why the 777 was three years behind schedule and full of problems.
 
2013-01-19 01:13:48 AM

italie: mark12A: I dunno if the energy density really works that favorably. I'd say more like ten passengers, maybe fifteen for that kind of swap. And where would they shoehorn the lead-acid batteries in the airframe? I'm sure every cubic centimeter is accounted for.

I thought I heard a talking head on TV say the battery pack in question was the size of a shoebox. If it's just one on the plane, the sub isn't so bad. If there's a bunch, Boeing's farked.

The battery is the size of a shoebox. One of many shoe boxes needed to power the plane.

These batteries have been a huge debate with the FAA for some time due to their propensity to catch fire and sustain said fire. They are also very picky when it comes to charging if you don't regulate them right and do things like catch fire.

//fire.


That really sounds like the Canyonero of the air.
That's frightening.
 
2013-01-19 12:24:29 PM

Flint Ironstag: Because People in power are Stupid: Outsourcing only works if there is constant scrutiny of the delivered goods. This has been demonstrated over and over again. I imagine the people who are really in love with it -are either very good at it or not very familiar with it... Boeing in this case had no prior experience with outsourcing so they fall into the latter group.

What? Major parts of Boeings have been made by outside contractors for decades. Engines, landing gear, avionics, flaps and slats, chunks of fuselage etc.


Not at this magnitude
 
2013-01-19 01:45:51 PM

Kraftwerk Orange: Because People in power are Stupid: This is what happens when you try to break the unions. You undermine your knowledge base and behold -a (semi) flying turd.

It's the Union-built planes from Washington that are having all the failures... so far.

The planes assembled in right-to-work South Carolina haven't had any problems... yet. Remains to be seen.


SC only assembles the fuselages. I know. I've toured the facility and a friend of mine works there.
 
2013-01-19 06:30:12 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Boeing in this case had no prior experience with outsourcing


So saying Boeing "had no prior experience with outsourcing" is wrong then? They went from 25% to 50% (or whatever), they still had plenty of experience in outsourcing. Not saying it hasn't turned out badly of course.
 
2013-01-20 01:07:34 AM

Thank You Black Jesus!: I was going to bet on oodles of chinese parts


Me too. Wonder where the batteries were made.
 
2013-01-20 01:58:19 AM
It's a Ford Pinto with wings.
 
2013-01-20 06:50:24 PM

Flint Ironstag: Because People in power are Stupid: Boeing in this case had no prior experience with outsourcing

So saying Boeing "had no prior experience with outsourcing" is wrong then? They went from 25% to 50% (or whatever), they still had plenty of experience in outsourcing. Not saying it hasn't turned out badly of course.


I overstated. Yes, it's hyperbole.
 
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