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(WAFF Huntsville)   After a crushing loss in the 2012 presidential election, the GOP has realizes it needs to broaden their tent and adopt policies that are in line with the 21st century. Just kidding, they want to change the rules to make it easier for them to win   (waff.com) divider line 210
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2013-01-18 06:09:53 AM
"these officials want Electoral College votes to be divided proportionally" OMG what's next? Actual democracy? Those bastards.
 
2013-01-18 06:32:39 AM
What's funny is many Republicans are screaming about Obama trying to circumvent the Constitution, and then they try to do the exact same thing. I guess they think the ends justify the means? No, more likely they really don't give a Fark, and just want to win at any cost.

Hypocrites, the lot of 'em!
 
2013-01-18 06:41:37 AM

MmmmBacon: What's funny is many Republicans are screaming about Obama trying to circumvent the Constitution, and then they try to do the exact same thing. I guess they think the ends justify the means? No, more likely they really don't give a Fark, and just want to win at any cost.

Hypocrites, the lot of 'em!


The Constitution is of such little interest to the GOP that very few have actually read the damned thing. It's primary function is to prop up attacks on things they dislike. They're also not keeping their disdain for the constitution a secret. They campaign on it.
 
2013-01-18 07:15:44 AM

MmmmBacon: What's funny is many Republicans are screaming about Obama trying to circumvent the Constitution, and then they try to do the exact same thing. I guess they think the ends justify the means? No, more likely they really don't give a Fark, and just want to win at any cost.


The Republicans are not circumventing the Constitution.  They understand the Constitution is a flexible, living, breathing, cute and cuddly document that's SOOO CUTE.  FETCH THE ABORTION AMENDMENT.  FETCH THE ABORTION AMENDMENT.  WHO'S A GOOD CONSTITUTION?  WHO'S A GOOD GIRL?  THAT'S YOU!  YES, YOU'RE SO CUTE AND CUDDLY I LOVE YOU CONSTITU
 
2013-01-18 08:40:59 AM

flucto: "these officials want Electoral College votes to be divided proportionally" OMG what's next? Actual democracy? Those bastards.


If you want democracy, use a single national vote for president. Hmmmm?
 
2013-01-18 08:48:46 AM

flucto: "these officials want Electoral College votes to be divided proportionally" OMG what's next? Actual democracy? Those bastards.



Allocating electoral votes based on highly gerrymandered Congressional districts is nowhere near "actual democracy." The very same GOP leaders that support this move recently drafted a memo boasting that gerrymandering helped the GOP maintain a House majority, despite receiving a minority of overall votes cast in House races.
 
2013-01-18 09:01:40 AM

clancifer: If you want democracy, use a single national vote for president. Hmmmm?


I'd sign up for that.

El_Perro: Allocating electoral votes based on highly gerrymandered Congressional districts is nowhere near "actual democracy." The very same GOP leaders that support this move recently drafted a memo boasting that gerrymandering helped the GOP maintain a House majority, despite receiving a minority of overall votes cast in House races.


By congressional district is a bad plan. Equal to the ratio of popular vote is fine.
 
2013-01-18 09:13:34 AM
It is time to do away with the Electoral College.  With the technology we have today, each vote should be counted.  Let the chips fall where they may.
 
2013-01-18 09:24:16 AM
So if I understand this, it means we break down the counties into winner-take-all .  And since there's a lot more counties that are red than blue, you get a huge advantage to the red counties.  Despite the fact that nowhere near the same numbers of people live there as do in the blue counties.

Land is a lot more conservative than most people.

Elect Land 2016.
 
2013-01-18 09:32:17 AM
We can solve this problem easily by simply banning the Democrat Party.
 
2013-01-18 09:33:26 AM
These farkers are willing to break or system to stay in power. They are the greatest threat to the U.S. since the Civil War and it is little coincidence that most come from the confederate states.
 
2013-01-18 09:36:13 AM

MmmmBacon: What's funny is many Republicans are screaming about Obama trying to circumvent the Constitution, and then they try to do the exact same thing. I guess they think the ends justify the means? No, more likely they really don't give a Fark, and just want to win at any cost.

Hypocrites, the lot of 'em!


They assume everyone is as morally bankrupt as themselves and they justify their actions as righteous because they are trying to stop people from committing the same sins that they are guilty of. This is why for example, many prominent anti-gay leaders turn out to be gay/pedophiles.
 
2013-01-18 09:36:31 AM

Citrate1007: These farkers are willing to break or system to stay in power. They are the greatest threat to the U.S. since the Civil War and it is little coincidence that most come from the confederate states.


The Southern Political Coalition, in the various forms it's taken over the years, has never been interested in American Constitutional Democracy, except where it preserves and protects their own power and privilege.
 
2013-01-18 09:36:54 AM

BillCo: With the technology we have today, each vote should be counted.


That's adorable.
 
2013-01-18 09:38:14 AM

BillCo: It is time to do away with the Electoral College.  With the technology we have today, each vote should be counted.  Let the chips fall where they may.


Agree completely. This horseshiat where 3/4 of the states don't matter and several of them use different rules is totally bizarre.
 
2013-01-18 09:38:18 AM

BillCo: It is time to do away with the Electoral College.  With the technology we have today, each vote should be counted.  Let the chips fall where they may.


and Obama would still win
 
2013-01-18 09:39:23 AM

somedude210: BillCo: It is time to do away with the Electoral College.  With the technology we have today, each vote should be counted.  Let the chips fall where they may.

and Obama would still win


And George W Bush would never have been President.
 
2013-01-18 09:40:25 AM

somedude210: and Obama would still win


Have won; I don't like his chances in '16.
 
2013-01-18 09:41:25 AM
If you elect proportionally according to popular vote I think that's not a bad way to go, the electoral system is a holdover from the past before technology made true national voting/collating/reporting/etc. possible.

Of course, they are talking about doing it by district which is just farking stupid. That would actually be much less democratic as it would unfairly apportion greater power to those who live in less populated areas than those who live in more densely populated areas. Those just HAPPEN to be more Republican areas, but the GOP really just wants to make the process more democratic. Sure.

The ultimate thing to do is to eliminate the electoral college and go to direct popular vote. Current law supports it, current technology is capable, this proposed half measure is just another way to game the system to enable a decomposing party to hang in there for yet another decade.
 
2013-01-18 09:41:35 AM

you have pee hands: BillCo: It is time to do away with the Electoral College.  With the technology we have today, each vote should be counted.  Let the chips fall where they may.

Agree completely. This horseshiat where 3/4 of the states don't matter and several of them use different rules is totally bizarre.


you understand the 3/4 of the states still won't matter, it'll just be different states.

Well, not really. It's going to be Texas, California and the industrial North-East
 
2013-01-18 09:41:39 AM

BillCo: It is time to do away with the Electoral College.  With the technology we have today, each vote should be counted.  Let the chips fall where they may.


Wrong.  Know how I know you're a liberal?  You're painting the picture in absolutes.  Everything is black-and-white to you.  If the Republican does not win the Electoral College, then it was not a legitimate election and the Republican should be elected anyway, since the Democrats rigged the election.  How hard is this to understand?
 
2013-01-18 09:42:44 AM

Citrate1007: These farkers are willing to break or system to stay in power. They are the greatest threat to the U.S. since the Civil War and it is little coincidence that most come from the confederate states.


"greatest threat since the Civil War"

This is what farklibs actually believe.

/sign me up for the popular vote idea
 
2013-01-18 09:42:54 AM

you have pee hands: BillCo: It is time to do away with the Electoral College.  With the technology we have today, each vote should be counted.  Let the chips fall where they may.

Agree completely. This horseshiat where 3/4 of the states don't matter and several of them use different rules is totally bizarre.


Yup. Lets DO a national popular vote.
 
2013-01-18 09:43:08 AM

Wicked Chinchilla: If you elect proportionally according to popular vote I think that's not a bad way to go, the electoral system is a holdover from the past before technology made true national voting/collating/reporting/etc. possible.
e.


No, it's a check on 'The Mob' which is the one thing the Founding Fathers feared more than a tyrannical king.
 
2013-01-18 09:43:11 AM

Mike_LowELL: BillCo: It is time to do away with the Electoral College.  With the technology we have today, each vote should be counted.  Let the chips fall where they may.

Wrong.  Know how I know you're a liberal?  You're painting the picture in absolutes.  Everything is black-and-white to you.  If the Republican does not win the Electoral College, then it was not a legitimate election and the Republican should be elected anyway, since the Democrats rigged the election.  How hard is this to understand?


there are times when you schtick feels old then there are times that I love you. This is the latter

/no homo
 
2013-01-18 09:44:27 AM

BillCo: It is time to do away with the Electoral College.  With the technology we have today, each vote should be counted.  Let the chips fall where they may.


You realize that would have meant Alw Gore should have won the election, right?
 
2013-01-18 09:45:29 AM

somedude210: there are times when you schtick feels old then there are times that I love you. This is the latter

/no homo


I forgot an entire sentence and I just realized that it made the post even better.

Sweet.
 
2013-01-18 09:45:33 AM
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2013-01-18 09:46:18 AM

Darth_Lukecash: BillCo: It is time to do away with the Electoral College.  With the technology we have today, each vote should be counted.  Let the chips fall where they may.

You realize that would have meant Alw Gore should have won the election, right?


Gore did win the election.
 
2013-01-18 09:47:24 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: somedude210: BillCo: It is time to do away with the Electoral College.  With the technology we have today, each vote should be counted.  Let the chips fall where they may.

and Obama would still win

And George W Bush would never have been President.


Think of the utopian society we'd be living in now.
 
2013-01-18 09:48:11 AM

Mugato: Philip Francis Queeg: somedude210: BillCo: It is time to do away with the Electoral College.  With the technology we have today, each vote should be counted.  Let the chips fall where they may.

and Obama would still win

And George W Bush would never have been President.

Think of the utopian society we'd be living in now.


please, I'm at work. I can't get erections now...
 
2013-01-18 09:48:27 AM
Any state that adopts Nebraska or Maine's example will immediately become irrelevant in the actual campaign (see: Nebraska or Maine).

Why fight to win Ohio 10-8, when you can ignore it and maybe tie or only lose two EVs? With only two or, maybe, four EVs at stake, Ohio becomes as relevant as Alaska.

Alaska!
 
2013-01-18 09:48:36 AM
We did this thread already.
 
2013-01-18 09:49:05 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: Citrate1007: These farkers are willing to break or system to stay in power. They are the greatest threat to the U.S. since the Civil War and it is little coincidence that most come from the confederate states.

"greatest threat since the Civil War"

This is what farklibs actually believe.

/sign me up for the popular vote idea


I don't think they are the greatest threat since the civil war, but they are in fact a threat to democracy.

The Republican Party was openly bragging about their successful manipulation of congressional districts resulting in maintaining their balance in the house..DESPITE receiving many less votes. Thats completely undemocratic though it may be legal. This proposal is just another step down that path.

Sure, the belief they are the greatest threat is hyperbolic, but can you seriously argue they are acting with the interests of ALL the American People at heart? shiat, just look at the voter law shenanigans pushed that restrict early voting needlessly, the ID laws which wouldn't actually prevent fraud, the ability to use conservative ID cards (NRA memberships, etc) but not college photo IDs as valid identification. The efforts to change all of the ID laws mere months before an actual election which are then immediately abandoned after the actual voting day.

The actions of these groups and politicians indict them more than anything else.
 
2013-01-18 09:49:07 AM
I'm surprised that they haven't done this yet.

In places like PA the gerrymandering is so bad that it's pretty much impossible to undo, so it would be impossible to repeal this change.
 
2013-01-18 09:50:57 AM

flucto: "these officials want Electoral College votes to be divided proportionally"


Still wouldn't have helped.  Obama still would have won the election.  granted, not by as much, but winning the Super Bowl by 1 point still makes you the Super Bowl Champion.
 
2013-01-18 09:50:59 AM

Bontesla: MmmmBacon: What's funny is many Republicans are screaming about Obama trying to circumvent the Constitution, and then they try to do the exact same thing. I guess they think the ends justify the means? No, more likely they really don't give a Fark, and just want to win at any cost.

Hypocrites, the lot of 'em!

The Constitution is of such little interest to the GOP that very few have actually read the damned thing. It's primary function is to prop up attacks on things they dislike. They're also not keeping their disdain for the constitution a secret. They campaign on it.


I have a friend who has read the first three books A Song Of Ice And Fire (the Game Of Thrones books), but only reads the parts featuring Daenerys or Arya. As a result, it's very difficult to talk to her about the series. The GOP must do something similar with the Constitution.
 
2013-01-18 09:51:01 AM

flucto: "these officials want Electoral College votes to be divided proportionally" OMG what's next? Actual democracy? Those bastards.


Ask them if they're planning on changing the rules for how electoral votes are allocated in, say, Alabama orr Arizona. If it is different from their plan in Pennsylvania or Ohio, they're not trying to be more democratic.
 
2013-01-18 09:51:05 AM

MFAWG: Wicked Chinchilla: If you elect proportionally according to popular vote I think that's not a bad way to go, the electoral system is a holdover from the past before technology made true national voting/collating/reporting/etc. possible.
e.

No, it's a check on 'The Mob' which is the one thing the Founding Fathers feared more than a tyrannical king.


Yeah, there was that too. Can't have those landless plebes voting on things. (To be fair though, uneducated people back then were REALLY uneducated...)
 
2013-01-18 09:51:39 AM

flucto: clancifer: If you want democracy, use a single national vote for president. Hmmmm?

I'd sign up for that.

El_Perro: Allocating electoral votes based on highly gerrymandered Congressional districts is nowhere near "actual democracy." The very same GOP leaders that support this move recently drafted a memo boasting that gerrymandering helped the GOP maintain a House majority, despite receiving a minority of overall votes cast in House races.

By congressional district is a bad plan. Equal to the ratio of popular vote is fine.



You're right that equal to the popular vote is (marginally) better than by Congressional district, but even that proposal is far from actual democracy, considering where these proposals are likely to be enacted - states that have consistently gone to Democratic Presidential candidates, but where the GOP controls the state govterent. The Texas GOP, for example, won't even consider this. By enacting this kind of proposal in such a piecemeal, transparently partisan manner, you're not strengthening democracy. Far from it. Consider that, depending on how and where these proposals are enacted, they very well may have tipped the election to Romney in 2012, despite Obama receiving ~5 million more votes. That's not 'actual democracy.'
 
2013-01-18 09:51:44 AM

MmmmBacon: What's funny is many Republicans are screaming about Obama trying to circumvent the Constitution, and then they try to do the exact same thing. I guess they think the ends justify the means? No, more likely they really don't give a Fark, and just want to win at any cost.

Hypocrites, the lot of 'em!


The decision on how electoral votes are divided up is up to each individual state, so circumventing the US Constitution doesn't apply.

They are pursuing it legally and rightfully. There are States today that allot Electoral votes proportionaly and not winner take all.

The only issue I see that you could argue is....well, I let you do the reading and maybe you could come up something. You might learn something other than knee jerking.
 
2013-01-18 09:51:56 AM

flucto: "these officials want Electoral College votes to be divided proportionally" OMG what's next? Actual democracy? Those bastards.


fta: It's unclear whether he would have been re-elected under the new system

good reporting there Lou

and...

Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder told The Associated Press on Tuesday that he "could go either way" on the change and doesn't plan to push it. But he said it's a reasonable issue to debate

ohh, the monster!
 
2013-01-18 09:52:23 AM

mahuika: Bontesla: MmmmBacon: What's funny is many Republicans are screaming about Obama trying to circumvent the Constitution, and then they try to do the exact same thing. I guess they think the ends justify the means? No, more likely they really don't give a Fark, and just want to win at any cost.

Hypocrites, the lot of 'em!

The Constitution is of such little interest to the GOP that very few have actually read the damned thing. It's primary function is to prop up attacks on things they dislike. They're also not keeping their disdain for the constitution a secret. They campaign on it.

I have a friend who has read the first three books A Song Of Ice And Fire (the Game Of Thrones books), but only reads the parts featuring Daenerys or Arya. As a result, it's very difficult to talk to her about the series. The GOP must do something similar with the Constitution.


I love Arya, but why the fark would you only read that? You are missing so much stuff...(And Daenerys constantly vacillates from awesome to mindnumbing bumble fark.)
 
2013-01-18 09:53:09 AM

a_bilge_monkey: somedude210: and Obama would still win

Have won; I don't like his chances in '16.


you're right.  I think the Republicans have a good chance of not losing to Obama in 2016.
 
2013-01-18 09:53:13 AM

flucto: "these officials want Electoral College votes to be divided proportionally" OMG what's next? Actual democracy? Those bastards.


I'm assume you're just uninformed (the article does quickly gloss over the important detail), and not just threadshiatting.
In these plans, proportional does not mean divided according to the popular vote for the state. It means winner-take-all by congressional districts, with the 2 senator votes going to whoever won the state overall. It does NOT mean it would follow the popular vote.

Take my state of South Carolina for example. In the presidential election, Obama got 44% and Romney got 54.5%.
Under the current rules, Romney won 9 electoral votes because he won the popular vote for the whole state.
Under a proportional split according to the popular vote, Obama would have gotten 4 electors, and Romney 5.
But split according to congressional district, Obama would have gotten 1 elector, with Romney winning 8 (6 other districts, plus 2 for the state).

0/9, 4/5, or 1/8. Big differences hide in the details. Ask yourself this: if this plan is so great, then why are republicans only proposing it for states they lost?
 
2013-01-18 09:53:17 AM

Mike_LowELL: Wrong.  Know how I know you're a liberal?  You're painting the picture in absolutes.  Everything is black-and-white to you.  If the Republican does not win the Electoral College, then it was not a legitimate election and the Republican should be elected anyway, since the Democrats rigged the election.  How hard is this to understand?


Nice try, hippie. You come in here with your "sarcasm" that I don't understand and your "smarter-than-thou" attitude that makes me feel inferior, so of COURSE I'm gonna go running for the hills with my gun in hand and firing off angry ill-formed missives to the local paper and being scared of my own shadow (it's black and foreign, the worst kind).
 
2013-01-18 09:53:32 AM

BillCo: It is time to do away with the Electoral College.  With the technology we have today, each vote should be counted.  Let the chips fall where they may.


I thought you were against Democrats winning? This whole idea here is to make it look like your vote counts more but due to gerrymandering (from either side), it actually counts less.
 
2013-01-18 09:54:32 AM

flucto: "these officials want Electoral College votes to be divided proportionally" OMG what's next? Actual democracy? Those bastards.


The EC's already a perversion of democracy. Gaming the system within it doesn't make things better, it makes things worse.
 
2013-01-18 09:54:39 AM

Generation_D: So if I understand this, it means we break down the counties into winner-take-all .  And since there's a lot more counties that are red than blue, you get a huge advantage to the red counties.  Despite the fact that nowhere near the same numbers of people live there as do in the blue counties.

Land is a lot more conservative than most people.

Elect Land 2016.


Vote Black Hills South Dakota 2016!!!!

/If not you're a racist!
 
2013-01-18 09:55:04 AM
And the Butthurt Circus rolls on...
 
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