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(Bloomberg)   "Naked" body scanners to be removed from airports, transferred to other government agencies. Have fun taking your kids to the Smithsonian museums, suckers   (bloomberg.com) divider line 130
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2013-01-18 01:24:39 PM  

HartRend: ha-ha-guy: Liese: ha-ha-guy: I always opted out because I figured between flying across the Pacific multiple times a year and whatnot, I didn't need any extra help with regard to the cancer risk.

Agreed. One time, in IAH when I opted out, this agent (not the one that patted me down, but a female) said as she was walking by, kinda flippantly, "Well sure you already have laptops and cell phones and other things contributing, why not get in a quick scanner?"

Wasn't sure if she was being snarky or not.

If she's working in the TSA Crotch Touching Division, odds are she doesn't grasp things like wave length or just because you're exposed to some risk factors means you should expose yourself to all of them.

What I've found is the nicer you dress, the lower the odds you have of trouble. Sport coat, my first class boarding pass visible, and perhaps something to mark me as ex military leads to much better treatment than the time I was in jeans and a hoodie. Just have to socially engineer your way through the checkpoint.

Ex Mil? Why do good people like you, who fought for our freedom, have to come home and be persecuted on domestic soil. Why do you have to socially engineer your way through the airport. Why don't we roll out the red carpet. It's a damn shame. They told us we were fighting for our families and our rights. After we got done fighting, we all realized that couldn't have possibly been what we were fighting for.


The US Military is simply a mercenary force rented to Bigg Oil and most recently, Bigg Opium.
Prolly for anyone else that can afford it.
 
2013-01-18 01:28:41 PM  

Private_Citizen: i upped my meds-up yours: Time to fap to sexy TSA official Susan Hallowell one more time. Flash it Suz!
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 200x308][www.microwaves101.com image 400x331]

I've always thought that picture was key to this whole argument. It's the only one that was ever released, and it can tell us much. For example, if that had been a guy, we would know if he was circumcised or not. The detail is incredible - and Very revealing. But much lesser known is this: she's carrying two guns - not one. That technology has a very hard time picking up guns and weapons on peoples sides - it needs the body as a back ground. If you look very closely, you can tell she has a second gun on her hip (where most people carry them anyway). This failure of the technology explains how Adam Savage (yes, of Mythbusters) was able to carry huge metal knives for a foam cutting tool through the airport - they were on his side and therefore invisible to the scanner.

So, we had a tool that was incredibly invasive, yet demonstrably bad at it's stated job. Good riddance.


Just like the TSA "management?" was told. Chertoff had another agenda and worked it well.
Why is this not criminal?
 
2013-01-18 01:34:51 PM  
The reason that the scanners have left the airports is that their job at the airports is complete.

The scanners were never intended to be used to protect airline passengers from weapons-holding attackers. Those scanners exist to collect a photographic inventory of the cattle of the USA.

Anyone who refuses to enter the scanner is harassed in a show of humiliation and threatened with a fine.

The more complete the cattle inventory is, the more convenient it will be to identify individuals to be eliminated from a distance, by the use drones or other means. Otherwise, there would be more collateral damage.

The USG has a history of collecting information like this, but not on this large a scale. They have been doing facial recognition for over a decade at airports and other camera-covered places using databases of convicted drug offenders amongst others.

The government is NOT YOUR FRIEND and it is NOT YOUR PARENT, no matter how much it attempts to claim to be. Stop letting them trample your natural rights. A right lost is a right given away.
 
2013-01-18 01:42:47 PM  

dynomutt: The reason that the scanners have left the airports is that their job at the airports is complete.


How so? Other scanners are still there. And it's not like new passengers don't ever come through the gates. So their job, if I'm understanding you right, wouldn't ever be complete.

The scanners were never intended to be used to protect airline passengers from weapons-holding attackers.

wat

Those scanners exist to collect a photographic inventory of the cattle of the USA.

wat

Anyone who refuses to enter the scanner is harassed in a show of humiliation and threatened with a fine.

Incorrect. Where the hell are you flying out of?

The more complete the cattle inventory is, the more convenient it will be to identify individuals to be eliminated from a distance, by the use drones or other means. Otherwise, there would be more collateral damage.

...What is this I don't even...

The USG has a history of collecting information like this, but not on this large a scale. They have been doing facial recognition for over a decade at airports and other camera-covered places using databases of convicted drug offenders amongst others.

Do you have a driver's license? Cause you gave 'em info for a database on that, too. Ooh, scary.

The government is NOT YOUR FRIEND and it is NOT YOUR PARENT, no matter how much it attempts to claim to be. Stop letting them trample your natural rights. A right lost is a right given away.

I just can't agree due to the other strange things about drones and government picking people off. Interesting theory, though.

Still, 0/10.
 
2013-01-18 01:50:09 PM  
Well, you spineless, pants-wetting, anal-leaking, yellow-backed, Lilly-livered, limp-wristed farking faries got what you wanted. Now all you have to do is give up your right to vote.
 
2013-01-18 01:51:50 PM  

HartRend: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 465x349]

I have never been through one of these. I "opt out" when I fly. I love making a scene about it too.
There is no way to generate an image like that without using high frequency radio waves (I am a wireless radio engineer, I know wtf I'm talking about).
High freq waves are damn good at causing cancer, the scanner is about the equivalent of standing under a cell tower for 8 hours or so.


Do you have kids? Do you want those thugs at airport security looking at your underage daughters naked body? Because they are...


Your point is weakened by the fact that you are using a completely fake picture.
 
2013-01-18 01:53:52 PM  
Went through a scanner last year at Newark. The picture revealed I was carrying something in my right pocket. TSA agent came over with gloved hand and felt my pocket. I reached in and pulled out a quarter. Damn. Forgot I was carrying. I could have killed somebody with that.
 
2013-01-18 02:06:53 PM  
I spent hours reading all of the documentation about these machines that are calibrated and tested once a year and handled by people who are not trained radiologists thousands and thousands of times per year. Those people did not get dosimeters.

I stopped flying.

I'm beyond delighted they are getting rid of these things. I suspect my relatives on the other coast will be happy to see me, finally.
 
2013-01-18 02:07:18 PM  
hey stupid people. The latest machines in use now show you a blurry image, but in the masturbation room, its still full on naked image. uploaded to the main data base to be used as evidence in case you commit some type of illegal activity in the next few years.


/idiots who don't know anything about dual image display software.
 
2013-01-18 02:24:11 PM  
I wanna know what happens if someone with a piercing in an, erm, special place opts for a patdown and they feel it.  Do they make you strip so they can be certain it's not some kind of contraband?

/asking for a friend
 
2013-01-18 02:34:55 PM  

sheep snorter: in case you commit some type of illegal activity in the next few years.


I had to check to see if you and dynomutt were possibly the same person.

Funny that you're referring to us as the stupid people, when you have to have a photo ID/passport to get through the security anyway. Why use a backscatter if people can opt out of it? Seems like that'd defeat the purpose/be inefficient, no?
 
2013-01-18 02:37:50 PM  

Moose23: Went through a scanner last year at Newark. The picture revealed I was carrying something in my right pocket. TSA agent came over with gloved hand and felt my pocket. I reached in and pulled out a quarter. Damn. Forgot I was carrying. I could have killed somebody with that.


I had $39 and some broken rubber bands. Since I grew up watching McGuyver I can make a thermonuclear warhead out of that. The TSA was right to panic.
 
2013-01-18 02:40:38 PM  

WarszawaScream: Do they make you strip so they can be certain it's not some kind of contraband?


Does it set off a metal detector? Because my vagina parts and nipples, for instance, don't get felt up. However if nipple piercings showed through a thin shirt/they saw the impression, maybe they'd ask. I got asked about my socks--I had thigh-high socks that I hadn't pulled all the way up/they slouched a little and she felt the bumps on my shins. But unless your penis is hanging down your pantleg then they probably wouldn't feel it.

If you're even somewhat handsome, though, and the dude kinda likes other dudes, then they may just ask you to step into a back room anyway.

/this post has now slightly turned me on
 
2013-01-18 02:41:33 PM  

freewill: what_now: Ok, has anyone tested these at all? Because fark you, TSA. I still won't go though them.

This falls more under the category of "general physics". My understanding is that ionizing radiation can fark up your atoms and thereby your DNA, while non-ionizing radiation can't, because, well, that's why it's called that. It doesn't have the energy it needs to knock electrons off your atoms and create ions.

That said, in my decidedly non-expert opinion, the whole body scanner thing is idiotic to begin with and should die. I'm yet to see a compelling argument that this is vital to security, as opposed to a huge boondoggle for manufacturers.


Microwaves are non-ionizing but can provide enough energy to change molecules. :(
 
2013-01-18 03:01:56 PM  
Chertoff got his cut of the action. Now throw them away.
 
2013-01-18 03:10:10 PM  
Damn it! One or two more times and I'd be fully ready to father a race of mutants!

/well, after finding a willing mother, of course
//proving to be more of a challenge than I had hoped
///nobody wants to birth mutant children these days, it's very sad
 
2013-01-18 03:17:01 PM  

SpectroBoy: HartRend: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 465x349]

I have never been through one of these. I "opt out" when I fly. I love making a scene about it too.
There is no way to generate an image like that without using high frequency radio waves (I am a wireless radio engineer, I know wtf I'm talking about).
High freq waves are damn good at causing cancer, the scanner is about the equivalent of standing under a cell tower for 8 hours or so.


Do you have kids? Do you want those thugs at airport security looking at your underage daughters naked body? Because they are...

Your point is weakened by the fact that you are using a completely fake picture.


I posted some real ones after somebody else pointed that out.
 
2013-01-18 03:22:24 PM  

MorePeasPlease: HartRend: Sure are a lot of shops out there:

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Is this what passes for humor now among the younger generations?
 
2013-01-18 03:31:04 PM  
Don't worry, the TSA will come up with something even more ridiculous and/or radiating / inconvenient to replace this asinine device.
 
2013-01-18 04:34:39 PM  
And maybe they will go out of business for making a peepshow for the immoral folks at the TSA. One can only hope.
 
2013-01-18 04:38:25 PM  

gelovani: Don't worry, the TSA will come up with something even more ridiculous and/or radiating / inconvenient to replace this asinine device.


What???
Device worked/s perfectly.
Chertoff and his frat bros are quite wealth now, TYVM.
Now, it is somebody else's turn to grab your balls money.
Just look at it.
 
2013-01-18 06:45:09 PM  

Liese: vagina parts


Like many people, I think of the vagina  as a part which cannot be further divided, and don't give any thought to the wondrous sub-vaginal particles modern science has discovered.  Are you some sort of physicist?
 
2013-01-18 06:48:21 PM  
I go through scanners 1-2 times a week, so 30 times or so a year, at over 20 airports.

Have yet to be pulled out for anything more than a routine arm-wand.

I guess I don't act like an asswit to the mall cops with the tazers.

Its not their fault they're dumbasses.  At least they're employed now.
 
2013-01-18 06:55:29 PM  
Good. I stopped flying almost two years ago when they showed up at the local airport. I've visited prisons, all of which treated their visitors with more dignity and respect than the airlines/TSA allow. I'd like to start flying again, but not a f**king chance until those things are gone.
 
2013-01-18 07:57:42 PM  

freewill: I'm yet to see a compelling argument that this is vital to security, as opposed to a huge boondoggle for manufacturers.


It's not just not vital, it's arguably worse. Metal detectors work even if the metal is hidden; these devices only work if it's very near the surface and has regular edges. If you got a fat dude to stick a gun under his gut roll these machines would be unable to detect it, whereas an old school metal detector would. In theory these machines allow the detection of non-metal objects, which I guess is useful, but again they do it based on shape not material, so they're only good enough to stop people that leave their C4 in bricks rather than shaping it to their body.
 
2013-01-18 08:12:19 PM  

HartRend: I "opt out" when I fly. I love making a scene about it too.


Me too. I like to call it the "porno scanner" to their face. Local airport no longer has them, they said "no, that's LAX, we don't have them". Good old airport competition.
 
2013-01-18 08:51:05 PM  
When showing off your jail's new body scanner, do not offer to be a guinea pig for the press, or you might end up with your junk on the front page:
media.mlive.com
media.mlive.com
 
2013-01-18 10:19:00 PM  
This is awesome!
 
2013-01-18 11:05:12 PM  

HartRend: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 465x349]

I have never been through one of these. I "opt out" when I fly. I love making a scene about it too.
There is no way to generate an image like that without using high frequency radio waves (I am a wireless radio engineer, I know wtf I'm talking about).
High freq waves are damn good at causing cancer, the scanner is about the equivalent of standing under a cell tower for 8 hours or so.


Do you have kids? Do you want those thugs at airport security looking at your underage daughters naked body? Because they are...


Exactly. I hope that and the image a couple posts above yours are the scanners that produce the images the article is talking about, because yes, those are EXTREMELY invasive.
 
2013-01-19 12:04:29 AM  

HartRend: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 465x349]

I have never been through one of these. I "opt out" when I fly. I love making a scene about it too.
There is no way to generate an image like that without using high frequency radio waves (I am a wireless radio engineer, I know wtf I'm talking about).
High freq waves are damn good at causing cancer, the scanner is about the equivalent of standing under a cell tower for 8 hours or so.


Do you have kids? Do you want those thugs at airport security looking at your underage daughters naked body? Because they are...


Bullshiat. Radio waves are NOT ionizing and a danger to DNA and there's zero data supporting they're carcinogenic. Radio waves cause heat. They can cook you but not cause cancer.

Radio engineer FAIL.
 
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