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2013-01-18 11:01:10 AM  

what_now: Ok, has anyone tested these at all? Because fark you, TSA. I still won't go though them.


Test for what? Microwave radio energy *by definition* isn't ionizing.
 
2013-01-18 11:01:16 AM  
TSA will end a $5 million contract with OSI's Rapiscan

Was it intentional that their name so closely resembles "Rapescan"?
 
2013-01-18 11:01:45 AM  

theorellior: Well, all righty then. I always opted out. I'm not doing a naked scan just because people need security theatre. Every time I got the pat-down the TSA blueshirts were professional about it, and I'm not gonna be a dick to a guy just doing his job.

I know the blueshirts get a lot of crap, and sometimes rightfully so, but they're basically low-scale actors in the giant clownshow that is the Department of Homeland Security. They don't get paid enough to put up with some of the bullshiat that's flowed down the pipe.


screw that. He signed up to be employed in security theater and brush peoples crotches, fark him. Every single last TSA agent deserves to be harassed as often as possible. It is a profession that deserves no respect and we as a society are doing ourselves no favors by pretending to tolerate these dicks.
 
2013-01-18 11:02:59 AM  

Magorn: Yeah except you actually don't have to go through any security to go to the Smithsonian Museums, they do check your bag, presumbly to see if you are hiding a chisel or a can of spray paint of something, but that's it


Are Sharpies permitted? What about squirt guns and live squid?
 
2013-01-18 11:04:42 AM  

Maul555: theorellior: Well, all righty then. I always opted out. I'm not doing a naked scan just because people need security theatre. Every time I got the pat-down the TSA blueshirts were professional about it, and I'm not gonna be a dick to a guy just doing his job.

I know the blueshirts get a lot of crap, and sometimes rightfully so, but they're basically low-scale actors in the giant clownshow that is the Department of Homeland Security. They don't get paid enough to put up with some of the bullshiat that's flowed down the pipe.

screw that. He signed up to be employed in security theater and brush peoples crotches, fark him. Every single last TSA agent deserves to be harassed as often as possible. It is a profession that deserves no respect and we as a society are doing ourselves no favors by pretending to tolerate these dicks.


www.libertystickers.com
 
2013-01-18 11:06:57 AM  
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2013-01-18 11:09:05 AM  

lohphat: what_now: Ok, has anyone tested these at all? Because fark you, TSA. I still won't go though them.

Test for what? Microwave radio energy *by definition* isn't ionizing.


ionization is not the only factor in regard to cancer
 
2013-01-18 11:09:20 AM  

lohphat: what_now: Ok, has anyone tested these at all? Because fark you, TSA. I still won't go though them.

Test for what? Microwave radio energy *by definition* isn't ionizing.


Yeah, here's the thing: I don't know what that means. I work in finance, not science. I trust the TSA about as much as they trust me: not at all.

This is security theater. That's all it is. It makes stupid people feel safer, it's a major jobs program for the less than bright among us, and it's a huge boon to the makers of these machines- one of whom just HAPPENS to be a former Secretary of Homeland Security.

Yeah. I feel sfer.
 
2013-01-18 11:09:36 AM  

HartRend: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 465x349]

I have never been through one of these. I "opt out" when I fly. I love making a scene about it too.
There is no way to generate an image like that without using high frequency radio waves (I am a wireless radio engineer, I know wtf I'm talking about).
High freq waves are damn good at causing cancer, the scanner is about the equivalent of standing under a cell tower for 8 hours or so.


High frequency waves do cause cancer, but only the ones that are orders of magnitude higher in energy than the ones you are talking about.
 
2013-01-18 11:10:20 AM  

Walker: Carth: I can't believe the TSA bungled this technology so badly. Just buy the exact same scanners Amsterdam's Schiphol uses. The screen displaying the image is right where you can see it and it shows a default human like blob instead of your actual image.

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You know what I take it back I can believe the TSA messed it up.

I've been thru these at airports in the USA. The screens are available for passengers to see and they give a lot of false positives. I watched person after person go thru while the cartoon showed a giant box on top their heads, on their bare arms, etc. Basically everyone had to be patted down after going thru them because the machines said they had something on them that obviously wasn't there. Then again the same thing happens with the naked scanners, we just don't see the screens. I've been patted down after going thru those too.


I travel at least twice a month and those stupid screeners always show something on either my left knee or left arm.  I don't have anything there--no braces, pins, or anything.  Doesn't matter if I'm wearing a skirt, shorts, or short sleeves, either.  I still manage to set it off somehow.

Also, if you're wearing a long skirt or dress, the TSA either requires you to go through the scanner or get a pat down.  No metal detectors allowed for long skirts.  I'll never understand that.  But then, it *is* the TSA.
 
2013-01-18 11:11:57 AM  

OrangeSnapper: HartRend: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 465x349]

I have never been through one of these. I "opt out" when I fly. I love making a scene about it too.
There is no way to generate an image like that without using high frequency radio waves (I am a wireless radio engineer, I know wtf I'm talking about).
High freq waves are damn good at causing cancer, the scanner is about the equivalent of standing under a cell tower for 8 hours or so.


High frequency waves do cause cancer, but only the ones that are orders of magnitude higher in energy than the ones you are talking about.


Considering nobody has funded an independent third party study in regard to these machines, I'm going to call bullshiat on your part, you don't know, nor do I.
 
2013-01-18 11:13:43 AM  

thornhill: Meh.

As someone who regularly flies for work, I just didn't see the outrage.


I don't fly much, but the trouble I personally have is that it's expensive, inconvenient, and doesn't actually make us any safer.

A 9/11-style attack can't succeed anymore, now that we know a hijacker might try to kamikaze the plane. Flight 93 shows that. Between that knowledge, and locked/reinforced cockpit doors, it's covered.

If we reverted airport security to pre-9/11 practices, and spent the money instead on undercover agents, intelligence analysis, emergency response and the like, we could actually be safer. (E.g. infiltrate every militia group that's not already infiltrated).
 
2013-01-18 11:14:19 AM  
Spare parts for 25 years. Who cares if it worked or not?
 
2013-01-18 11:14:52 AM  

Carth: I can't believe the TSA bungled this technology so badly. Just buy the exact same scanners Amsterdam's Schiphol uses. The screen displaying the image is right where you can see it and it shows a default human like blob instead of your actual image.

[s3.jrnl.ie image 390x285]


You know what I take it back I can believe the TSA messed it up.


I was based out of Schiphol for the last 3 years. My casual observation showed them showing about half false-positives. This is the reason that the Germans and Italians declines to buy these machines. The political pressure on the Dutch was higher since they let that guy who set his pants on fire through a few years back. Not that these machines would have stopped that...
 
2013-01-18 11:15:15 AM  

Gaseous Anomaly: A 9/11-style attack can't succeed anymore, now that we know a hijacker might try to kamikaze the plane. Flight 93 shows that. Between that knowledge, and locked/reinforced cockpit doors, it's covered.


No of course not. The next terrorist attack will take place in the security line of LAX or Atlanta.
 
2013-01-18 11:18:39 AM  

HartRend: OrangeSnapper: HartRend: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 465x349]

I have never been through one of these. I "opt out" when I fly. I love making a scene about it too.
There is no way to generate an image like that without using high frequency radio waves (I am a wireless radio engineer, I know wtf I'm talking about).
High freq waves are damn good at causing cancer, the scanner is about the equivalent of standing under a cell tower for 8 hours or so.


High frequency waves do cause cancer, but only the ones that are orders of magnitude higher in energy than the ones you are talking about.

Considering nobody has funded an independent third party study in regard to these machines, I'm going to call bullshiat on your part, you don't know, nor do I.


I was trying to be polite, but do you know how I know you don't know wtf you are talking about?
 
2013-01-18 11:20:50 AM  

what_now: Gaseous Anomaly: A 9/11-style attack can't succeed anymore, now that we know a hijacker might try to kamikaze the plane. Flight 93 shows that. Between that knowledge, and locked/reinforced cockpit doors, it's covered.

No of course not. The next terrorist attack will take place in the security line of LAX or Atlanta.


The truth is we are all pretending that if we legislate, enforce, and condemn enough actions, that the evil people on earth will stop bothering the good guys.
The truth is, we are all always vulnerable to "terrorist" (AKA EVIL) actions. They won the moment we dumped billions in to security, instead of feeding our homeless, or helping the needy with that money.

America's selfish, self centered, narcissistic reaction to 9/11 has done more to give the enemy the advantage than any possible action the enemy could have taken on their own.
We lost people, it's time to fix this shiat.
 
2013-01-18 11:21:42 AM  

OrangeSnapper: HartRend: OrangeSnapper: HartRend: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 465x349]

I have never been through one of these. I "opt out" when I fly. I love making a scene about it too.
There is no way to generate an image like that without using high frequency radio waves (I am a wireless radio engineer, I know wtf I'm talking about).
High freq waves are damn good at causing cancer, the scanner is about the equivalent of standing under a cell tower for 8 hours or so.


High frequency waves do cause cancer, but only the ones that are orders of magnitude higher in energy than the ones you are talking about.

Considering nobody has funded an independent third party study in regard to these machines, I'm going to call bullshiat on your part, you don't know, nor do I.

I was trying to be polite, but do you know how I know you don't know wtf you are talking about?


No I don't, because you don't, because I do know what I'm talking about. Thanks what I know.
 
2013-01-18 11:23:59 AM  
this whole system is a crock of shiat. When I took my kids to Disney last summer, they pulled my wife and kids off to the side and escorted them right through then pulled me for one of these b.s. scans. I asked how much sense it makes to assume I would carry contraband on my own person while my wife and kids are automatically deemed to be innocent. I was told they were following procedures, to which I said your procedures make no sense. The best part of this entire sham is that if they do find a bottle of shampoo, pocket knife, etc - they put it in a big container that they then stand next to all day while shaking down everyone else coming through. The largest bottle neck in an airport is the security checkpoint. If they are so concerned your grandma's fruitcake is a bomb, why do they put it in a bin right next to a place where hundreds of people will congregate all day while waiting to be felt-up? What's even better, is that it is then sorted and sold to make a few bucks. If they are confiscating items that are bombs, wouldn't it make more sense to dispose of them as if they were bombs rather than sell them in a gift shop? They know your bottle of water is safe, they know your shampoo is soap, they know your ugly-assed eagle figurine with a 3" sword in the talons is just a nick-knack, they know your snow globe that says "I got blown in Cancun" isn't sarin gas. The whole system is a dog and pony show that nets billions of dollars - and that's what it's all about.
 
2013-01-18 11:26:59 AM  

Gaseous Anomaly: thornhill: Meh.

As someone who regularly flies for work, I just didn't see the outrage.

I don't fly much, but the trouble I personally have is that it's expensive, inconvenient, and doesn't actually make us any safer.

A 9/11-style attack can't succeed anymore, now that we know a hijacker might try to kamikaze the plane. Flight 93 shows that. Between that knowledge, and locked/reinforced cockpit doors, it's covered.

If we reverted airport security to pre-9/11 practices, and spent the money instead on undercover agents, intelligence analysis, emergency response and the like, we could actually be safer. (E.g. infiltrate every militia group that's not already infiltrated).


This thing with airport security, and security in general, it's that it's largely a deterrent, and there is no way to really know how effective it is. For all we know, the terrorists may have scrapped plans related to airplanes because they felt the new security measurers would increase the likelihood of their plan being stopped.

Now that's not to say there are not more cost effective things TSA could be doing, but I wouldn't be so quick to outright dismiss the current procedures.

And this also isn't to say that the government is infallible, but it's kinda hard for us to be arm chair security experts when we don't have access to any intelligence reports. TSA/DHS knows how much everyone hates the 3oz rule. It seems more likely that they have a good reason for maintaining it rather than just wanting to be vindictive against air travelers.
 
2013-01-18 11:27:44 AM  

HartRend: They won the moment we dumped billions in to security, instead of feeding our homeless, or helping the needy with that money.


Yup. This is absolutely accurate. Everyone's gonna die sometime, lets stop worrying about the possibility of terrorism, and start focusing on the actual problem of poverty.
 
2013-01-18 11:30:22 AM  

i upped my meds-up yours: Time to fap to sexy TSA official Susan Hallowell one more time. Flash it Suz!
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 200x308][www.microwaves101.com image 400x331]


I've always thought that picture was key to this whole argument. It's the only one that was ever released, and it can tell us much. For example, if that had been a guy, we would know if he was circumcised or not. The detail is incredible - and Very revealing. But much lesser known is this: she's carrying two guns - not one. That technology has a very hard time picking up guns and weapons on peoples sides - it needs the body as a back ground. If you look very closely, you can tell she has a second gun on her hip (where most people carry them anyway). This failure of the technology explains how Adam Savage (yes, of Mythbusters) was able to carry huge metal knives for a foam cutting tool through the airport - they were on his side and therefore invisible to the scanner.

So, we had a tool that was incredibly invasive, yet demonstrably bad at it's stated job. Good riddance.
 
2013-01-18 11:30:47 AM  

HartRend: OrangeSnapper: HartRend: OrangeSnapper: HartRend: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 465x349]

I have never been through one of these. I "opt out" when I fly. I love making a scene about it too.
There is no way to generate an image like that without using high frequency radio waves (I am a wireless radio engineer, I know wtf I'm talking about).
High freq waves are damn good at causing cancer, the scanner is about the equivalent of standing under a cell tower for 8 hours or so.


High frequency waves do cause cancer, but only the ones that are orders of magnitude higher in energy than the ones you are talking about.

Considering nobody has funded an independent third party study in regard to these machines, I'm going to call bullshiat on your part, you don't know, nor do I.

I was trying to be polite, but do you know how I know you don't know wtf you are talking about?

No I don't, because you don't, because I do know what I'm talking about. Thanks what I know.


Aah, Engineers, the oompa loompas of science. This should be a good read, for starters. But since you know what you are talking about, we await your lecture us on how radio waves cause cancer. Perhaps you could follow up on how they are used for mind control as well. There's just as much evidence for that, and the physical mechanism is just as well established.
 
2013-01-18 11:32:36 AM  

HartRend: www.libertystickers.com


Yes, comparing a TSA blueshirt patting you down to rounding up Jews to be roasted alive isn't hyperbolic at all.
 
2013-01-18 11:33:17 AM  

OrangeSnapper: HartRend: OrangeSnapper: HartRend: OrangeSnapper: HartRend: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 465x349]

I have never been through one of these. I "opt out" when I fly. I love making a scene about it too.
There is no way to generate an image like that without using high frequency radio waves (I am a wireless radio engineer, I know wtf I'm talking about).
High freq waves are damn good at causing cancer, the scanner is about the equivalent of standing under a cell tower for 8 hours or so.


High frequency waves do cause cancer, but only the ones that are orders of magnitude higher in energy than the ones you are talking about.

Considering nobody has funded an independent third party study in regard to these machines, I'm going to call bullshiat on your part, you don't know, nor do I.

I was trying to be polite, but do you know how I know you don't know wtf you are talking about?

No I don't, because you don't, because I do know what I'm talking about. Thanks what I know.

Aah, Engineers, the oompa loompas of science. This should be a good read, for starters. But since you know what you are talking about, we await your lecture us on how radio waves cause cancer. Perhaps you could follow up on how they are used for mind control as well. There's just as much evidence for that, and the physical mechanism is just as well established.


If you don't' have anything intelligent to say, gtfo of this thread. So far everything has been diplomatic and constructive. If you have to insult your opponent because you can't out wit them, you have already lost.
 
2013-01-18 11:33:45 AM  
Small victories.

www.gallagher.com
 
2013-01-18 11:33:50 AM  

what_now: freewill: Liese: I knew all my refusals to go in one and instead get the pat down would result in them going under! *raises mighty fist*

TFA: The TSA will instead use 60 machines manufactured by L-3 Communications Holdings Inc. (LLL), the agency's other supplier of body scanners.

...wait what

*uncertain as to whether or not should slump and slink away*

It's my understanding that these are non-ionizing millimeter wave scanners, as opposed to ionizing backscatter scanners, so this is a significant improvement.

The risk from backscatter was always low, but apparently higher than the risk of actual terrorism.

Ok, has anyone tested these at all? Because fark you, TSA. I still won't go though them.


From what I understand, millimeter wave scanners use radio frequency rather than the xrays used in backscatter machines, and some (called passive) don't emit anything at all, just take readings based on ambient RF levels. Canada's been using millimeter wave scanners in some airports for 3 years. When we put them in instead of the Rapiscan technology, Rapiscan sued and the US government classified the Canadian purchase of equipment from another supplier as a "trade irritant" and lodged a formal complaint, so now that the US is dumping Rapiscan I'm getting a kick.

If Wikipedia is correct, some US airports already have the millimeter wave scanners (LAX, SFO, SLC, IND, DTW, MSP and LAS), as do the Jersey City PATH and the federal courthouse in Orlando, so if I were going to look for US specific safety/effectiveness data from a source other than the manufacturer, that's where I'd start.
 
2013-01-18 11:34:15 AM  

theorellior: HartRend: www.libertystickers.com

Yes, comparing a TSA blueshirt patting you down to rounding up Jews to be roasted alive isn't hyperbolic at all.


Then you are blind and don't see what is coming.
Once it is put in place, it never goes away.
Liberty is slowing being eroded, and the sand is being washed away from beneath your feet, and you don't even see it.
 
2013-01-18 11:34:54 AM  

HartRend: America's selfish, self centered, narcissistic reaction to 9/11 has done more to give the enemy the advantage than any possible action the enemy could have taken on their own.


Quoted for truth.
 
2013-01-18 11:36:47 AM  

HartRend: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 465x349]

I have never been through one of these. I "opt out" when I fly. I love making a scene about it too.
There is no way to generate an image like that without using high frequency radio waves (I am a wireless radio engineer, I know wtf I'm talking about).
High freq waves are damn good at causing cancer, the scanner is about the equivalent of standing under a cell tower for 8 hours or so.


Do you have kids? Do you want those thugs at airport security looking at your underage daughters naked body? Because they are...


So you're the dumbass holding up the line.   Always good for a laugh.  Its time to witness Citizen Poutrage, starring you.

The mall clerk with a tazer can't change the rules dumbfark, either write your congressman or don't fly.
 
2013-01-18 11:37:43 AM  

Generation_D: HartRend: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 465x349]

I have never been through one of these. I "opt out" when I fly. I love making a scene about it too.
There is no way to generate an image like that without using high frequency radio waves (I am a wireless radio engineer, I know wtf I'm talking about).
High freq waves are damn good at causing cancer, the scanner is about the equivalent of standing under a cell tower for 8 hours or so.


Do you have kids? Do you want those thugs at airport security looking at your underage daughters naked body? Because they are...

So you're the dumbass holding up the line.   Always good for a laugh.  Its time to witness Citizen Poutrage, starring you.

The mall clerk with a tazer can't change the rules dumbfark, either write your congressman or don't fly.


They take me out of the line, idiot.
 
2013-01-18 11:38:07 AM  

HartRend: Then you are blind and don't see what is coming.
Once it is put in place, it never goes away.
Liberty is slowing being eroded, and the sand is being washed away from beneath your feet, and you don't even see it.


Oh, I see it, I just don't think some poor slob from East Boston needs anything else done to him to make him feel like a shiathead. I reserve my ire for those who promulgate this asshattery on the populace. From the moment it was proposed I was dead-set against the Department of Homeland Security. You want Nazisms? the whole name, "Department of Homeland Security" sounds like something Goering dreamed up.
 
2013-01-18 11:40:45 AM  

Liese: ha-ha-guy: I always opted out because I figured between flying across the Pacific multiple times a year and whatnot, I didn't need any extra help with regard to the cancer risk.

Agreed. One time, in IAH when I opted out, this agent (not the one that patted me down, but a female) said as she was walking by, kinda flippantly, "Well sure you already have laptops and cell phones and other things contributing, why not get in a quick scanner?"

Wasn't sure if she was being snarky or not.


If she's working in the TSA Crotch Touching Division, odds are she doesn't grasp things like wave length or just because you're exposed to some risk factors means you should expose yourself to all of them.

What I've found is the nicer you dress, the lower the odds you have of trouble. Sport coat, my first class boarding pass visible, and perhaps something to mark me as ex military leads to much better treatment than the time I was in jeans and a hoodie. Just have to socially engineer your way through the checkpoint.
 
2013-01-18 11:42:31 AM  

theorellior: HartRend: Then you are blind and don't see what is coming.
Once it is put in place, it never goes away.
Liberty is slowing being eroded, and the sand is being washed away from beneath your feet, and you don't even see it.

Oh, I see it, I just don't think some poor slob from East Boston needs anything else done to him to make him feel like a shiathead. I reserve my ire for those who promulgate this asshattery on the populace. From the moment it was proposed I was dead-set against the Department of Homeland Security. You want Nazisms? the whole name, "Department of Homeland Security" sounds like something Goering dreamed up.


I agree with you for the most part, but I don't think we should tolerate this. The security personnel should go build roads, or something else constructive. If we are just going to spend tax dollars to create jobs, why make them jobs that are pointless. Why not use these resources to better our country, instead of ruining what used to be a worldly beacon of freedom.
 
2013-01-18 11:47:31 AM  

ha-ha-guy: Liese: ha-ha-guy: I always opted out because I figured between flying across the Pacific multiple times a year and whatnot, I didn't need any extra help with regard to the cancer risk.

Agreed. One time, in IAH when I opted out, this agent (not the one that patted me down, but a female) said as she was walking by, kinda flippantly, "Well sure you already have laptops and cell phones and other things contributing, why not get in a quick scanner?"

Wasn't sure if she was being snarky or not.

If she's working in the TSA Crotch Touching Division, odds are she doesn't grasp things like wave length or just because you're exposed to some risk factors means you should expose yourself to all of them.

What I've found is the nicer you dress, the lower the odds you have of trouble. Sport coat, my first class boarding pass visible, and perhaps something to mark me as ex military leads to much better treatment than the time I was in jeans and a hoodie. Just have to socially engineer your way through the checkpoint.


Ex Mil? Why do good people like you, who fought for our freedom, have to come home and be persecuted on domestic soil. Why do you have to socially engineer your way through the airport. Why don't we roll out the red carpet. It's a damn shame. They told us we were fighting for our families and our rights. After we got done fighting, we all realized that couldn't have possibly been what we were fighting for.
 
2013-01-18 12:04:37 PM  
Eh, the company got the money for building them. They'll find another thing we "need" and get lobbyists to shove it through congress.
 
2013-01-18 12:08:28 PM  

thornhill: For all we know, the terrorists may have scrapped plans related to airplanes because they felt the new security measurers would increase the likelihood of their plan being stopped.


I call shenanigans on you! They have suicide bombers that carry out their deeds. And those bombers don't even have to make it through airport security to kill/injure a LOT of people in busy airports. Terrorists like making a point. They don't always have to have a plan. They often are content with simply wreaking havoc.

So, in that vein, spending millions of dollars on contracts, and more on the actual machines, seems kinda lame and solves very little. But, they succeed in making us fearful, and in making us buy into these idiotic regulations. Hooray.

/you are positive, I am just negative, so I couldn't stop myself from replying ;)
 
2013-01-18 12:10:17 PM  

HartRend: Ex Mil? Why do good people like you, who fought for our freedom, have to come home and be persecuted on domestic soil. Why do you have to socially engineer your way through the airport. Why don't we roll out the red carpet. It's a damn shame. They told us we were fighting for our families and our rights. After we got done fighting, we all realized that couldn't have possibly been what we were fighting for.


Meh, I sat on the DMZ in the 1980s and screwed Korean hookers. Never fired my rifle in anger.
 
2013-01-18 12:11:22 PM  
I think we aught to return them one by one and shove 'em up Michael Chertoff's ass.

/while running
//dry
///fark Chertoff and the
////black horse he rode in on.
 
2013-01-18 12:30:12 PM  

Liese: thornhill: For all we know, the terrorists may have scrapped plans related to airplanes because they felt the new security measurers would increase the likelihood of their plan being stopped.

I call shenanigans on you! They have suicide bombers that carry out their deeds. And those bombers don't even have to make it through airport security to kill/injure a LOT of people in busy airports. Terrorists like making a point. They don't always have to have a plan. They often are content with simply wreaking havoc.

So, in that vein, spending millions of dollars on contracts, and more on the actual machines, seems kinda lame and solves very little. But, they succeed in making us fearful, and in making us buy into these idiotic regulations. Hooray.

/you are positive, I am just negative, so I couldn't stop myself from replying ;)


That's the nature of security -- it's more about deterrence, and deterrence is not cost efficient because it isn't targeted. It's just about creating the appearance that you're not an easy target.

Look at any office building -- they tend to have an insane amount of security guards, card swipe turnstiles, check in requirements, etc. The purpose is just to make people think twice about how easy it will be to break into the building -- people always gravitate towards the easy targets.
 
2013-01-18 12:42:32 PM  

HartRend: Ex Mil? Why do good people like you, who fought for our freedom, have to come home and be persecuted on domestic soil. Why do you have to socially engineer your way through the airport. Why don't we roll out the red carpet. It's a damn shame. They told us we were fighting for our families and our rights. After we got done fighting, we all realized that couldn't have possibly been what we were fighting for.


Umm..not to say that Ha-Ha guy isn't a stand up fellow and all, but I doubt he's old enough to have fought for our freedom. Just saying.
 
2013-01-18 12:48:15 PM  
Does this mean we will get a full refund, from the manufacturer, on the scanners purchased ?
 
2013-01-18 12:54:06 PM  

Maul555: I am glad that they are being removed, but it is not for the right reason... Pretty sad that it took a technical problem to get this crap undone, and they will probably try to reintroduce newer models in the future.


yeah, Congress will authorize a billion dollars now for new scanner technology. They'll all know about it long before they actually authorize the money, so that any interested Congresscritter can invest in the company beforehand. But as long as we're "safe."
 
2013-01-18 12:56:34 PM  
It makes me sad I have to deal with this stupid shiat, but it also amuses me because the for profit reactionary hysteria in this country is a simpsons episode that didn't pass under the very low bar they set.
 
2013-01-18 01:04:31 PM  
Most of the airports I fly through have switched to the newer machines, but I still see these around. The last time I saw one it was 15 feet away from a line that only had a metal detector. The line for the body scanner had about 6 people in it. The line for the metal detector had 15-20 people. A TSA agent was borderline berating people for not choosing the faster, shorter line. No one switched lines.
 
2013-01-18 01:16:28 PM  

HartRend: Sure are a lot of shops out there:


i152.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-18 01:16:48 PM  
If a child goes through one of these things could you arrest somebody for owning child porn. Arrest the tsa...:
 
2013-01-18 01:17:03 PM  

bmwericus: I think we aught to return them one by one and shove 'em up Michael Chertoff's ass.

/while running
//dry
///fark Chertoff and the
////black horse he rode in on.


Your jib, it is cut well.
 
2013-01-18 01:20:52 PM  
Since I was at the meeting where The Fascists were told this TSA Authoritarian Fantasy was not possible to create/enforce, I am getting such a kick,,,

/ Tom Ridge was correct and TSA MUST DIE
 
2013-01-18 01:21:29 PM  

Nhojwolfe: If a child goes through one of these things could you arrest somebody for owning child porn. Arrest the tsa...:


"Not illegal when we do it"
 
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