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2013-01-18 09:20:12 AM  
Arms over your head, feet apart, don't move, hold that position for 10 seconds.
 
2013-01-18 09:57:30 AM  
Man... and here I wanted an excuse to opt-out so I could get me a back room pat down.
 
2013-01-18 09:57:31 AM  
It's cuz they finally got pictures of my junk....the only reason they put 'em up in the first place.
 
2013-01-18 09:58:29 AM  
I always find it amusing that the software was called "Rapiscan."

img.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-18 09:59:34 AM  
I knew all my refusals to go in one and instead get the pat down would result in them going under! *raises mighty fist*

TFA: The TSA will instead use 60 machines manufactured by L-3 Communications Holdings Inc. (LLL), the agency's other supplier of body scanners.

...wait what

*uncertain as to whether or not should slump and slink away*
 
2013-01-18 10:01:02 AM  

Liese: I knew all my refusals to go in one and instead get the pat down would result in them going under! *raises mighty fist*

TFA: The TSA will instead use 60 machines manufactured by L-3 Communications Holdings Inc. (LLL), the agency's other supplier of body scanners.

...wait what

*uncertain as to whether or not should slump and slink away*


It's my understanding that these are non-ionizing millimeter wave scanners, as opposed to ionizing backscatter scanners, so this is a significant improvement.

The risk from backscatter was always low, but apparently higher than the risk of actual terrorism.
 
2013-01-18 10:08:12 AM  

freewill: Liese: I knew all my refusals to go in one and instead get the pat down would result in them going under! *raises mighty fist*

TFA: The TSA will instead use 60 machines manufactured by L-3 Communications Holdings Inc. (LLL), the agency's other supplier of body scanners.

...wait what

*uncertain as to whether or not should slump and slink away*

It's my understanding that these are non-ionizing millimeter wave scanners, as opposed to ionizing backscatter scanners, so this is a significant improvement.

The risk from backscatter was always low, but apparently higher than the risk of actual terrorism.


Ok, has anyone tested these at all? Because fark you, TSA. I still won't go though them.
 
2013-01-18 10:10:33 AM  

freewill: It's my understanding that these are non-ionizing millimeter wave scanners, as opposed to ionizing backscatter scanners, so this is a significant improvement.

The risk from backscatter was always low, but apparently higher than the risk of actual terrorism.


I always opted out because I figured between flying across the Pacific multiple times a year and whatnot, I didn't need any extra help with regard to the cancer risk. Most TSA officials are pretty laid back about the pat down and just hurry to get it over with, but every so often you run into a dick cheese.
 
2013-01-18 10:11:18 AM  

Generation_D: Arms over your head, feet apart, don't move, hold that position for 10 seconds.


I like to pretend I'm making moose antlers when I do this. If rapiscan is inevitable, it's best to just try to enjoy it.
 
2013-01-18 10:11:57 AM  

ha-ha-guy: every so often you run into a dick cheese.


That's a pretty invasive pat-down.
 
2013-01-18 10:13:15 AM  

what_now: Ok, has anyone tested these at all? Because fark you, TSA. I still won't go though them.


This falls more under the category of "general physics". My understanding is that ionizing radiation can fark up your atoms and thereby your DNA, while non-ionizing radiation can't, because, well, that's why it's called that. It doesn't have the energy it needs to knock electrons off your atoms and create ions.

That said, in my decidedly non-expert opinion, the whole body scanner thing is idiotic to begin with and should die. I'm yet to see a compelling argument that this is vital to security, as opposed to a huge boondoggle for manufacturers.
 
2013-01-18 10:13:59 AM  

what_now: Ok, has anyone tested these at all? Because fark you, TSA. I still won't go though them.


I feel the same way. I'm not so sure they are safe, because I can't seem to find anything saying they are ok other than quotes from people associated with the machines. I haven't looked in a while, I just kinda gave up and decided to be steadfast in my refusal.

Besides, I kinda like it when the TSA agent says "I'm going to touch your breasts..." hurrrr.
 
2013-01-18 10:14:02 AM  
Damn. And xray-esque images of dicks and tittles is my favorite porn.
 
2013-01-18 10:14:43 AM  
I can't believe the TSA bungled this technology so badly. Just buy the exact same scanners Amsterdam's Schiphol uses. The screen displaying the image is right where you can see it and it shows a default human like blob instead of your actual image.

s3.jrnl.ie


You know what I take it back I can believe the TSA messed it up.
 
2013-01-18 10:15:27 AM  

freewill: a compelling argument that this is vital to security


b-b-b-but underwears bomber~!!
 
2013-01-18 10:16:02 AM  
The agency plans to expand the PreCheck program, in which passengers share personal data before going to the airport in exchange for less-invasive screening that lets them keep their belts and shoes on. I go thru PreCheck and still have to take my belt off because it sets off the metal detector. Nice to leave shoes on though. Plus there's no line at the PreCheck security station since not many people know about it. That alone is worth the price.
 
2013-01-18 10:18:15 AM  

ha-ha-guy: I always opted out because I figured between flying across the Pacific multiple times a year and whatnot, I didn't need any extra help with regard to the cancer risk.


Agreed. One time, in IAH when I opted out, this agent (not the one that patted me down, but a female) said as she was walking by, kinda flippantly, "Well sure you already have laptops and cell phones and other things contributing, why not get in a quick scanner?"

Wasn't sure if she was being snarky or not.
 
2013-01-18 10:19:10 AM  

Carth: I can't believe the TSA bungled this technology so badly. Just buy the exact same scanners Amsterdam's Schiphol uses. The screen displaying the image is right where you can see it and it shows a default human like blob instead of your actual image.

[s3.jrnl.ie image 390x285]


You know what I take it back I can believe the TSA messed it up.


I've been thru these at airports in the USA. The screens are available for passengers to see and they give a lot of false positives. I watched person after person go thru while the cartoon showed a giant box on top their heads, on their bare arms, etc. Basically everyone had to be patted down after going thru them because the machines said they had something on them that obviously wasn't there. Then again the same thing happens with the naked scanners, we just don't see the screens. I've been patted down after going thru those too.
 
2013-01-18 10:20:57 AM  

Walker: Carth: I can't believe the TSA bungled this technology so badly. Just buy the exact same scanners Amsterdam's Schiphol uses. The screen displaying the image is right where you can see it and it shows a default human like blob instead of your actual image.

[s3.jrnl.ie image 390x285]


You know what I take it back I can believe the TSA messed it up.

I've been thru these at airports in the USA. The screens are available for passengers to see and they give a lot of false positives. I watched person after person go thru while the cartoon showed a giant box on top their heads, on their bare arms, etc. Basically everyone had to be patted down after going thru them because the machines said they had something on them that obviously wasn't there. Then again the same thing happens with the naked scanners, we just don't see the screens. I've been patted down after going thru those too.


Maybe they are different scanners. I flew through Amsterdam and Dublin a few dozen times and only saw one or two false positives. They also only use those instead of metal detectors and don't scan you until you are at the gate which is nice.
 
2013-01-18 10:21:11 AM  
I've never actually seen these ever used. Every time I ever go to DFW, they are turned off and not being used.
 
2013-01-18 10:22:42 AM  
Time to fap to sexy TSA official Susan Hallowell one more time. Flash it Suz!
2.bp.blogspot.comwww.microwaves101.com
 
2013-01-18 10:26:22 AM  
"It became clear to TSA they would be unable to meet our timeline," Waters said. "As a result of that, we terminated the contract for the convenience of the government."

What a passive aggressive self aggrandizing asshole.
 
2013-01-18 10:28:54 AM  
The TSA has killed more people than the terrorists ever will.

By their own article 131 million people used the scanners if 1 in a million or 1 in 10 million got cancer, well they kill 131 or 13 people last year respectively.

Lets not forget the people who refuse to fly now and drive and get into accidents causing hundreds of additional deaths.

We'd be better off with no security at all now and let the passengers handle now that the sheep mentality is gone. We need to stop relying on some government agency to protect us and go back to doing it ourselves.
 
2013-01-18 10:29:11 AM  
Rapiscan...

Just wow on the name... seriously guys they weren't even trying when they trolled that one.
 
2013-01-18 10:30:08 AM  
Well, all righty then. I always opted out. I'm not doing a naked scan just because people need security theatre. Every time I got the pat-down the TSA blueshirts were professional about it, and I'm not gonna be a dick to a guy just doing his job.

I know the blueshirts get a lot of crap, and sometimes rightfully so, but they're basically low-scale actors in the giant clownshow that is the Department of Homeland Security. They don't get paid enough to put up with some of the bullshiat that's flowed down the pipe.
 
2013-01-18 10:31:52 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.com

I have never been through one of these. I "opt out" when I fly. I love making a scene about it too.
There is no way to generate an image like that without using high frequency radio waves (I am a wireless radio engineer, I know wtf I'm talking about).
High freq waves are damn good at causing cancer, the scanner is about the equivalent of standing under a cell tower for 8 hours or so.


Do you have kids? Do you want those thugs at airport security looking at your underage daughters naked body? Because they are...
 
2013-01-18 10:33:50 AM  

theorellior: Well, all righty then. I always opted out. I'm not doing a naked scan just because people need security theatre. Every time I got the pat-down the TSA blueshirts were professional about it, and I'm not gonna be a dick to a guy just doing his job.

I know the blueshirts get a lot of crap, and sometimes rightfully so, but they're basically low-scale actors in the giant clownshow that is the Department of Homeland Security. They don't get paid enough to put up with some of the bullshiat that's flowed down the pipe.


I get a mixed bag, but overall, the customs guy checking my passport is almost always a major league dick while the TSA guy is usually pretty OK. (Customs at Philadelphia makes me feel like I'm not welcome in my own country.)

I do recall that the screeners in Italy were super professional and super friendly at multiple airports, and good lord, the female screeners were so hot and even flirtatious.
 
2013-01-18 10:38:00 AM  

HartRend: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 465x349]

I have never been through one of these. I "opt out" when I fly. I love making a scene about it too.
There is no way to generate an image like that without using high frequency radio waves (I am a wireless radio engineer, I know wtf I'm talking about).
High freq waves are damn good at causing cancer, the scanner is about the equivalent of standing under a cell tower for 8 hours or so.


Do you have kids? Do you want those thugs at airport security looking at your underage daughters naked body? Because they are...


That image is a photoshop though not an actual picture from one of the scanners.
 
2013-01-18 10:38:30 AM  

Carth: I can't believe the TSA bungled this technology so badly. Just buy the exact same scanners Amsterdam's Schiphol uses. The screen displaying the image is right where you can see it and it shows a default human like blob instead of your actual image.

[s3.jrnl.ie image 390x285]





fapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfap
 
2013-01-18 10:38:33 AM  
Meh.

As someone who regularly flies for work, I just didn't see the outrage.

When the TSA patted me down no one ever grabbed my junk or demanded that I strip (heck, the pat down was less invasive than what I get when I go to an Eagles game where security does the whole body as opposed to just the part of the body the x-ray machine thinks you have something illicit).

If TSA agents were laughing at a nacked x-ray of me I really couldn't care. Heck, I think one of those photos would make a fun holiday card to send to family and friends.

As for the health risks, it's probably less dangerous than regularly breathing the air in cities like NYC and LA.

What would make more security sense and speed things up at airports is if tighter restrictions were placed on the size of bags allowed on planes like has been done for years at European airports (their x-ray machines have a much smaller opening -- if your bag doesn't fit they force you to check it, no debates).
 
2013-01-18 10:40:02 AM  

HartRend: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 465x349]

I have never been through one of these. I "opt out" when I fly. I love making a scene about it too.
There is no way to generate an image like that without using high frequency radio waves (I am a wireless radio engineer, I know wtf I'm talking about).
High freq waves are damn good at causing cancer, the scanner is about the equivalent of standing under a cell tower for 8 hours or so.


Do you have kids? Do you want those thugs at airport security looking at your underage daughters naked body? Because they are...


That particular image is fake. It's just a inverted professional nude model stock photo and photoshopped objects.

I'm actually fascinated that a contract was terminated for failing to deliver on actual software to produce less explicit images. I assumed all along that the cartoon images that would be shown in public would be nothing but PR bullshiat and security classification would be used to hide the actual use of unfiltered images in the back room. I thought the "software" would be a human being looking at a nude image and tapping the location of objects on their screen which would then make a dot appear on the cartoon image and that fact would be secret. I'm either impressed that the government is trying to really do what it said or that the coverup is so brilliant as to include a contractor firing as part of the cover story.
 
2013-01-18 10:41:25 AM  

Walker: I've been thru these at airports in the USA. The screens are available for passengers to see and they give a lot of false positives. I watched person after person go thru while the cartoon showed a giant box on top their heads, on their bare arms, etc. Basically everyone had to be patted down after going thru them because the machines said they had something on them that obviously wasn't there. Then again the same thing happens with the naked scanners, we just don't see the screens. I've been patted down after going thru those too.


Do you an erection would trigger it? Because if so, I have a hobby now.
 
2013-01-18 10:43:47 AM  

Carth: I can't believe the TSA bungled this technology so badly. Just buy the exact same scanners Amsterdam's Schiphol uses. The screen displaying the image is right where you can see it and it shows a default human like blob instead of your actual image.

[s3.jrnl.ie image 390x285]


You know what I take it back I can believe the TSA messed it up.


if there is not under the table money, kickbacks and someones politically connected Uncle making a farking bundle off it then it's not The American Way. one more reason to detest a country that blatantly ignores other countries existing technologies, even when it bites the American nose off the USA face.
 
2013-01-18 10:45:09 AM  

what_now: freewill: Liese: I knew all my refusals to go in one and instead get the pat down would result in them going under! *raises mighty fist*

TFA: The TSA will instead use 60 machines manufactured by L-3 Communications Holdings Inc. (LLL), the agency's other supplier of body scanners.

...wait what

*uncertain as to whether or not should slump and slink away*

It's my understanding that these are non-ionizing millimeter wave scanners, as opposed to ionizing backscatter scanners, so this is a significant improvement.

The risk from backscatter was always low, but apparently higher than the risk of actual terrorism.

Ok, has anyone tested these at all? Because fark you, TSA. I still won't go though them.


I have.  Quick and simple.  The image used by the machine is a "paper doll" that flashes a warning over a specific area when suspect items are detected (and everything is suspect).

Much more comfortable with RF scanners than X-Ray.  Family history of skin cancer.  PDX and McCarran (the only airports I care about) both use the L-3 machines.  Safe, quick, and reasonable.

We somehow managed to dodge the cancer-causing Rapiscan machines at San Antonio.  Went through metal detectors instead.  Weird thing was, it was based on which line you *chose* to stand in.  People flying through Houston had no choice - get irradiated or get Texased.

Fark Texas.  Never going back.

/only reason went in the first place was the F1 race
//had great seats
 
2013-01-18 10:45:49 AM  

freewill:
The risk from backscatter was always low, but apparently higher than the risk of actual terrorism.


The risk of virtually anything you can imagine is higher than the risk of actual terrorism.
 
2013-01-18 10:47:39 AM  

Carth: HartRend: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 465x349]

I have never been through one of these. I "opt out" when I fly. I love making a scene about it too.
There is no way to generate an image like that without using high frequency radio waves (I am a wireless radio engineer, I know wtf I'm talking about).
High freq waves are damn good at causing cancer, the scanner is about the equivalent of standing under a cell tower for 8 hours or so.


Do you have kids? Do you want those thugs at airport security looking at your underage daughters naked body? Because they are...

That image is a photoshop though not an actual picture from one of the scanners.


Sure are a lot of shops out there:

static.guim.co.uk
seeker401.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-18 10:47:44 AM  
Yeah except you actually don't have to go through any security to go to the Smithsonian Museums, they do check your bag, presumbly to see if you are hiding a chisel or a can of spray paint of something, but that's it
 
2013-01-18 10:48:24 AM  
Scanners to be replaced by sketch artists. They will draw what they think you look like naked.

In other news. Floors to be more squeaky clean than ever before.
 
2013-01-18 10:49:07 AM  

what_now: Ok, has anyone tested these at all? Because fark you, TSA. I still won't go though them.


Yeah as long as they waste my time I'm going to do my best to waste theirs and make the dropout feel a little uncomfortable.

//fark airports
 
2013-01-18 10:49:54 AM  
I am glad that they are being removed, but it is not for the right reason... Pretty sad that it took a technical problem to get this crap undone, and they will probably try to reintroduce newer models in the future.
 
2013-01-18 10:50:12 AM  

Magorn: Yeah except you actually don't have to go through any security to go to the Smithsonian Museums, they do check your bag, presumbly to see if you are hiding a chisel or a can of spray paint of something, but that's it


You do have to pass a strenuous fatty test - walking from the train station to fonzie's jacket.

//national gallery is the best
 
2013-01-18 10:51:36 AM  

freewill: Do you an erection would trigger it? Because if so, I have a hobby now.


If you have an erection, does that show up on the scanner? Because if so, I think forcing the TSA goons to look at my boner would please me. Some perspective for you: For a time in my youth I spent three months incarcerated in a US Army stockade for a dumb drug offense. One policy was that if you left the facility for any reason you had to be strip-searched upon return. Part of the search is the "turn around, bend at the waste, and spread your ass-cheeks that the guard (usually an E3 or E4) could see you were not concealing any contraband there. Now, some of the other prisoners found this extremely degrading and humiliating. I challenged them, though, to consider which is worse: to assume the pose or to be required to look at your rancid asshole. YES! Hey Sergeant, fark YOU, AND LOOK INTO MY EYE!

That made the whole thing a little easier to endure.
 
2013-01-18 10:51:46 AM  

moothemagiccow: what_now: Ok, has anyone tested these at all? Because fark you, TSA. I still won't go though them.

Yeah as long as they waste my time I'm going to do my best to waste theirs and make the dropout feel a little uncomfortable.

//fark airports


I have a relative in the TSA, I got her a radiation badge from my wife who works at the hospital around x-ray machines.
The TSA "director" at her location would not allow her to monitor the radiation levels she was exposed to.
Walks like a duck... and quack quack... do the math.
 
2013-01-18 10:51:53 AM  

HartRend: Carth: HartRend: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 465x349]

I have never been through one of these. I "opt out" when I fly. I love making a scene about it too.
There is no way to generate an image like that without using high frequency radio waves (I am a wireless radio engineer, I know wtf I'm talking about).
High freq waves are damn good at causing cancer, the scanner is about the equivalent of standing under a cell tower for 8 hours or so.


Do you have kids? Do you want those thugs at airport security looking at your underage daughters naked body? Because they are...

That image is a photoshop though not an actual picture from one of the scanners.

Sure are a lot of shops out there:

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]
[seeker401.files.wordpress.com image 400x299]


Those are real. Notice the scanners don't show hair.
 
2013-01-18 10:53:26 AM  

AngryJailhouseFistfark: YES! Hey Sergeant, fark YOU, AND LOOK INTO MY EYE!

That made the whole thing a little easier to endure.


Just wiggle it a little when you know they're looking.
 
2013-01-18 10:55:03 AM  

theorellior: Well, all righty then. I always opted out. I'm not doing a naked scan just because people need security theatre. Every time I got the pat-down the TSA blueshirts were professional about it, and I'm not gonna be a dick to a guy just doing his job.

I know the blueshirts get a lot of crap, and sometimes rightfully so, but they're basically low-scale actors in the giant clownshow that is the Department of Homeland Security. They don't get paid enough to put up with some of the bullshiat that's flowed down the pipe.


I completely concur.
 
2013-01-18 10:56:03 AM  
Those are real. Notice the scanners don't show hair.

Everybody manscapes these days.
 
2013-01-18 10:57:36 AM  

Walker: The agency plans to expand the PreCheck program, in which passengers share personal data before going to the airport in exchange for less-invasive screening that lets them keep their belts and shoes on. I go thru PreCheck and still have to take my belt off because it sets off the metal detector. Nice to leave shoes on though. Plus there's no line at the PreCheck security station since not many people know about it. That alone is worth the price.


I just got my GOES/Pre-Check pass. I'm signing my kids up, too. It's worth the $20/year ($100, good for 5 years) to get it.
 
2013-01-18 10:59:34 AM  

Kuroshin: People flying through Houston had no choice - get irradiated or get Texased.


wat

I go through IAH on my return trip, and to get patted down I don't even go through a metal detector--which I think is kind of weird. They just have me step through a half-gate and then they pat me down. I got a choice. ;)
 
2013-01-18 11:00:46 AM  

kokomo61: Walker: The agency plans to expand the PreCheck program, in which passengers share personal data before going to the airport in exchange for less-invasive screening that lets them keep their belts and shoes on. I go thru PreCheck and still have to take my belt off because it sets off the metal detector. Nice to leave shoes on though. Plus there's no line at the PreCheck security station since not many people know about it. That alone is worth the price.

I just got my GOES/Pre-Check pass. I'm signing my kids up, too. It's worth the $20/year ($100, good for 5 years) to get it.


prairiefirenews.com

Papers... Papers Please...
 
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