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(Network World)   Not news: former VP reveals that high-tech company ships almost every product idea its employees come up with - basically, "throw shiat at the wall and see what sticks." Fark: It's Apple   (networkworld.com) divider line 35
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2013-01-18 01:15:06 AM
That's how LIFE works.  It's amazing.  Sales, relationships, it all works the same.  Problem is that product development costs a whole lot of money that people aren't usually willing to sink into it to see if something will work out or not.
 
2013-01-18 02:20:42 AM
So Apple will ship almost anything, but other companies (Phillips, at least) axe 99% of their ideas?
Why does Apple's product lineup seem so narrow, while everybody else's product lines are all over the place?
 
2013-01-18 03:42:32 AM
FTA: Apple ships 99% of the products that pass certain internal milestones.

That is completely different than "ships almost every product idea its employees come up with". During the time that Fadell was there, one of those 'milestones' is Steve Jobs - not many products passed that one. In fact, very few did.
 
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2013-01-18 08:33:23 AM
Problem is that product development costs a whole lot of money that people aren't usually willing to sink into it to see if something will work out or not.

One of the big Chinese telecoms will routinely run competing designs all the way through the development and prototyping process and pick a winner at the end. Much different from the old American tradition of hunting down and killing internal competition in its infancy.
 
2013-01-18 08:58:54 AM
Dear Apple,
Throw more shiat at other walls.  Namely, cars, flying vehicles, robots and buildings.
-Us

PS.  Thanks for the portable device that I sometimes use as a phone.
 
2013-01-18 09:00:55 AM

ZAZ: Problem is that product development costs a whole lot of money that people aren't usually willing to sink into it to see if something will work out or not.

One of the big Chinese telecoms will routinely run competing designs all the way through the development and prototyping process and pick a winner at the end. Much different from the old American tradition of hunting down and killing internal competition in its infancy.


That's why America has 2 different Littoral Combat Ships made by 2 different companies.
 
2013-01-18 09:01:23 AM

ZAZ: Problem is that product development costs a whole lot of money that people aren't usually willing to sink into it to see if something will work out or not.

One of the big Chinese telecoms will routinely run competing designs all the way through the development and prototyping process and pick a winner at the end. Much different from the old American tradition of hunting down and killing internal competition in its infancy.


china? i would put money that their tradition is to literally hunt down and kill internal competition.
 
2013-01-18 09:07:23 AM

joshiz: FTA: Apple ships 99% of the products that pass certain internal milestones.

That is completely different than "ships almost every product idea its employees come up with". During the time that Fadell was there, one of those 'milestones' is Steve Jobs - not many products passed that one. In fact, very few did.


Exactly. 99% of products Apple developed that Steve Jobs approved of and liked were shipped.
 
2013-01-18 09:34:17 AM
I'm just surprised it's not google.
 
2013-01-18 09:55:28 AM

dbirchall: So Apple will ship almost anything, but other companies (Phillips, at least) axe 99% of their ideas?
Why does Apple's product lineup seem so narrow, while everybody else's product lines are all over the place?


Maybe Apple employees have very little imagination?
 
2013-01-18 09:56:53 AM

Carth: joshiz: FTA: Apple ships 99% of the products that pass certain internal milestones.

That is completely different than "ships almost every product idea its employees come up with". During the time that Fadell was there, one of those 'milestones' is Steve Jobs - not many products passed that one. In fact, very few did.

Exactly. 99% of products Apple developed that Steve Jobs approved of and liked were shipped.


Yeah. Apple has some pretty massive unofficial skunkworks projects on the go at any given time, and considering the incredibly small number of products they make/sell compared to their size, I really wouldn't be surprised if the number of projects they fully develop but never release makes their actual product list look like a drop in the bucket.
 
2013-01-18 10:14:13 AM
Nine times out of ten, or 99 times out of 100,

Not too good with math though, is he?
 
2013-01-18 10:16:38 AM
'I'll be honest.  We're throwing science at the wall to see what sticks"
 
2013-01-18 10:18:22 AM

dbirchall: So Apple will ship almost anything, but other companies (Phillips, at least) axe 99% of their ideas?
Why does Apple's product lineup seem so narrow, while everybody else's product lines are all over the place?


Because Applke employees are conditioned not to be independent thinkers, so the hive mind occasionally comes up with a new idea. At least that's how they structure their users to think ...
 
2013-01-18 10:27:26 AM
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2013-01-18 10:29:00 AM
i have a nest thermostat. it's farking awesome.
 
2013-01-18 10:34:49 AM
And by "everyone" he means software engineers, materials engineers, and marketing hacks. I doubt the janitorial staff has contributed much to Apple's products.
 
2013-01-18 10:36:08 AM
 
2013-01-18 10:47:37 AM
I wonder how many times an Apple TV set has failed to pass internal milestones
 
2013-01-18 10:59:49 AM
It's decent business. Any company unlike this is run by morons who think they shiat gold.

//Throwing shiat against it is better than banging your head against it
 
2013-01-18 11:02:11 AM

you have pee hands: I'm just surprised it's not google.


Just not in this article. I think Google has released loads of shiat Larry & Sergei are oblivious to. It's pretty damned obvious.
 
2013-01-18 11:21:46 AM

ekdikeo4: That's how LIFE works.  It's amazing.  Sales, relationships, it all works the same.  Problem is that product development costs a whole lot of money that people aren't usually willing to sink into it to see if something will work out or not.


Not in America. America's success has long been on the creative imaginations of those ready willing and able to conceive new items and processes but wise enough to do product testing before investing mightily and releasing a potential flop in the marketplace. Asian success has long been to either copy existing American and European wares or to offer anything and everything into the marketplace and see which will gain notoriety, popularity and profitability. I'll assume you are very young and not insult your intelligence for your ridiculous statements. Don't do it again.
 
2013-01-18 12:21:16 PM

KrispyKritter: ekdikeo4: That's how LIFE works.  It's amazing.  Sales, relationships, it all works the same.  Problem is that product development costs a whole lot of money that people aren't usually willing to sink into it to see if something will work out or not.

Not in America. America's success has long been on the creative imaginations of those ready willing and able to conceive new items and processes but wise enough to do product testing before investing mightily and releasing a potential flop in the marketplace. Asian success has long been to either copy existing American and European wares or to offer anything and everything into the marketplace and see which will gain notoriety, popularity and profitability. I'll assume you are very young and not insult your intelligence for your ridiculous statements. Don't do it again.


If you never release a flop product, the odds are you've never released any products.  If you don't take any risk, then all you're doing is cloning someone else's things.  You have to pick up hundeds of "No"s to get a handful of "Yes"es.  I can go on and on with similar things.

In a similar market place to Apple's current highly successful products -- Look at what HP did.  They released one model of phone and one model of tablet.  They didn't immediately take off like wildfire, so they killed the entire product line.  They killed the entire product line one day prior to their flagship phone's release, and one week prior to the production beginning of their 7" tablet offering.  They lost millions of dollars in parts for all those 7" tablets, millions of dollars in fire sale pricing the 10" tablets, lost confidence with both ATT and Verizon who were set to carry the new flagship phone and the 3G and 4G versions of the tablets, who will undoubtedly think twice before every carrying another HP product ever again, and lost the confidence of the existing 800,000 webOS users prior to the product cancellation.  Had they actually released their flagship phone, and the new 7" tablet, although they wouldn't have taken the market by storm, they would've had a much better chance at calling the product line a success, than they did after giving it 40 days, and destroying it.

If you don't put multiple things out there, you only have one chance.
 
2013-01-18 12:29:21 PM

KrispyKritter: ekdikeo4: That's how LIFE works.  It's amazing.  Sales, relationships, it all works the same.  Problem is that product development costs a whole lot of money that people aren't usually willing to sink into it to see if something will work out or not.

Not in America. America's success has long been on the creative imaginations of those ready willing and able to conceive new items and processes but wise enough to do product testing before investing mightily and releasing a potential flop in the marketplace. Asian success has long been to either copy existing American and European wares or to offer anything and everything into the marketplace and see which will gain notoriety, popularity and profitability. I'll assume you are very young and not insult your intelligence for your ridiculous statements. Don't do it again.


"Asian success" is pushing it. Maybe "Chinese success". But Japan, and more recently, South Korea have come up with lots of unique products on their own.
 
2013-01-18 12:32:01 PM

FlashHarry: i have a nest thermostat. it's farking awesome.


Me too and its helped to reduce my heating/cooling costs quite a bit in the past 8 mos since I installed it.
 
2013-01-18 01:21:16 PM

dbirchall: So Apple will ship almost anything, but other companies (Phillips, at least) axe 99% of their ideas?
Why does Apple's product lineup seem so narrow, while everybody else's product lines are all over the place?


Because Apple doesn't actually let employees pursue any of their ideas. 99% of all the ideas Apple has is less than 1% the ideas actual engineering companies have.
 
2013-01-18 01:26:07 PM

Mikey1969: Nine times out of ten, or 99 times out of 100,

Not too good with math though, is he?


He said 'or', meaning it could be either. Just pretend he said '90 or 99% of the time', instead of '90 and 99% of the time'.
 
2013-01-18 01:27:01 PM
The fact that this guy left after the 3rd iPhone and all they've done since then is try to catch up to Android, something tells me this guy was the special sauce.

/The Nest that I own confirms that
 
2013-01-18 01:28:24 PM
uh, no shiat? They take a lot of care on their big ticket items, but have you seen Apple's portfolio? its miles and miles of assy half-finished harebrained software . It goes on for days.
 
2013-01-18 03:38:05 PM

FlashHarry: i have a nest thermostat. it's farking awesome.


Bullseyed: The fact that this guy left after the 3rd iPhone and all they've done since then is try to catch up to Android, something tells me this guy was the special sauce.

/The Nest that I own confirms that


I checked out the site and read some of the reviews, but how is it fundamentally different than most other newer programmable thermostats? On my current thermostat I can enter several programs per day, and for each day of the week. If I leave for a while, I can put it on hold at 66 or whatever. It does look really nice, but the whole "teach and learn" thing seems like just another term for programming. I "teach" my current thermostat using buttons rather than a dial.

In the Slate review, they cite the failure of people to properly program their thermostats as a fault of the thermostat (it isn't), and then say the auto-sensing is inherently better. Is it, and is it always better in all situations? If I spend most of my time in one area of the house and don't walk past it very often, is it going to think I'm usually not home? Unless my home is outfitted with multi-zone climate control, the Nest isn't going to somehow magically fire up the blowers to go to that one part of the house (and if it is, I can use the "regular" thermostat to do what I need). I think one of the biggest contributors to climate control inefficiency is the fact that most places have only one thermostat and it's placed more to make sure you don't block it with furniture than it is to truly gauge one's heating and cooling needs. Not to mention inefficient routing and placement of ducts and registers, and poor insulation.

Not hating on it, just wondering what that $250 is going to get me that I'm not getting now other than being able to say I have yet another device on my home network. If you have to buy a new thermostat anyway or are outfitting a newly-built house it might be a decent bet but if you're in an old place your money is probably better-spent putting in new or more insulation.
 
2013-01-18 04:03:29 PM
It's called optionality. Nassim Taleb talks about it extensively in Antifragile, which is an excellent book about making things/investments, etc that can benefit from stresses and problems.
 
2013-01-18 11:51:51 PM
So now those assholes are claiming the patent on wacky wall crawlers?
 
2013-01-19 11:19:05 AM
That's how R&D works. If you know the answer ahead of time, IT'S NOT RESEARCH!
 
2013-01-19 11:33:27 AM

Tr0mBoNe: ZAZ: Problem is that product development costs a whole lot of money that people aren't usually willing to sink into it to see if something will work out or not.

One of the big Chinese telecoms will routinely run competing designs all the way through the development and prototyping process and pick a winner at the end. Much different from the old American tradition of hunting down and killing internal competition in its infancy.

That's why America has 2 different Littoral Combat Ships made by 2 different companies.


There's a little more back story to that. (My job at work is writing software to evaluate things like manning and survivability for the Navy, and my current project IS the LCS.)

When the Navy was evaluating which design was better, they found that the two platforms each had strengths and weaknesses. The Lockheed-lead design had a superior well deck (for embarking underwater robots and Seal team.) The General Dynamics-lead design (the tri-hull) had better hangar facilities and a larger helicopter deck. Given that the ships are supposed to be jack-of-all-trades, throwing out one design would have meant limiting either water-borne roles or aircraft handling roles.

To make a ship that did both well would require a larger ship, more crew, etc, at which point, you are back to something the size, cost, and speed of a destroyer. (With less of a weapon load out, as the hanger facilities AND the well deck would displace VLS launcher space.)

I'm not sure if that's what they intended to do from the beginning with the LCS. But those little boats are going to be quite handy. Even if they don't replace all of the specialty built hulls.
 
2013-01-19 01:56:10 PM

dbirchall: So Apple will ship almost anything, but other companies (Phillips, at least) axe 99% of their ideas?
Why does Apple's product lineup seem so narrow, while everybody else's product lines are all over the place?


Perhaps they don't employ a gaggle of morons in product development.
 
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