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(KSL Salt Lake City)   Law-abiding citizen carries rifle into department store, minds own business, fails to murder anyone. It might take some effort, but we can all still feel threatened and outraged   (ksl.com ) divider line
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2013-01-18 12:08:43 AM  
15 votes:
You must have to be a complete pussy to feel the need to carry a rifle just to go buy socks.
2013-01-18 01:15:30 AM  
8 votes:

GAT_00: Seriously?  This is how we're all supposed to be safe?  Because I don't know about you, but I worry when rifles are casually carried around.  It implies you expect to use it.


Nothing he is doing is safe. If a couple homies rushed him at the counter there they'd take him down and easily make off with his weapons. Take him down, put his own pistol in his face, and take the AR. This guy is a retard and he is making himself a target. This defines irresponsible gun ownership.
2013-01-18 12:26:31 AM  
7 votes:
You're not helping, you jackass attention whore.
2013-01-18 03:30:16 AM  
6 votes:

cman: I wonder what the reaction was in the 60s when people saw interracial couples holding hands entering businesses.

If you dont fight for rights they tend to disappear.


Yeah, it's exactly the same. You walk into a Sears holding a black woman, it's probably because you're looking for an excuse to use her. A gun doesn't feel bad about itself and its relationship when you leave it at home.

Walk around with a $1,500, 10-lb loaded gun on your back all the time, people are bound to think you're an asshole. Because you're an asshole.
2013-01-18 12:07:07 AM  
6 votes:
Well, I'm sure that makes the families of 20 dead first graders feel better.
2013-01-18 01:08:11 AM  
5 votes:

Fark Me To Tears: GAT_00: Seriously?  This is how we're all supposed to be safe?  Because I don't know about you, but I worry when rifles are casually carried around.  It implies you expect to use it.

Actually, it indicates that the people carrying the rifles take themselves and their role in society way too seriously.  This is what happens when they run too many trailer trash-based "reality" shows on cable TV.


You don't carry a farking rifle around unless you want an excuse to use it.
2013-01-18 12:45:19 AM  
5 votes:
Seriously?  This is how we're all supposed to be safe?  Because I don't know about you, but I worry when rifles are casually carried around.  It implies you expect to use it.
2013-01-18 12:04:01 AM  
5 votes:
Now, if his dick was hanging out, he would have been arrested.
2013-01-18 08:39:44 AM  
4 votes:
I am a gun owner. I've had a concealed carry--though I don't have one today, because I don't need one--and I used to be a bouncer. That is just background information though. What I learned over the years was that you don't carry a loaded weapon, especially in public, without good reason.

When I was bouncing, I didn't carry, because in a shuffle, you don't want to lose a loaded weapon, not in a crowded club. Even when hunting, I don't load a weapon, until I actually get to the area where I intend to hunt, because of the chance of accidental discharge. Even with a safety on, the best way to prevent accidents with a weapon, even if you are alone or somewhere remote, is to simply not have it loaded. Trip and fall, sudden stop, crash, whatever, things can happen. You reduce that chance by simply removing the possibility of the weapon firing. In amongst people, a LOT can go wrong, and carrying a loaded weapon in public is not the brightest thing. People can grab the weapon, all sorts of things can go wrong. When I did carry, it was because I was dropping off deposits, and it was in Boston, and near the Combat Zone, and I'm glad I did carry, because those were sort of wild and wooly days, and thankfully, I never had fire at people, and never even had to draw on someone. I was mugged when carrying, by a guy with a knife, and the $75 in my wallet wasn't worth shooting someone over, and in the situation, I never felt that I was in danger if I just cooperated--guess I got lucky that I was mugged by a professional, because he even let me keep the wallet.

While I was bouncing, we were offered stun guns, and pepper spray, and as a team we refused, because when you carry a weapon, you have to think of the environment. Pepper spray is sort of indiscriminate, and gassing patrons who aren't involved in a dust up is a bad idea. And dangerous, if someone has respiratory problems or asthma or the like. Stun guns and tasers can be taken, and used on you or someone else, and that is a recipe for disaster. A gun, in a crowded club is even more so.

I am a gun owner. I like to squeeze off rounds for practice, I like hunting. Shooting is a practical skill, but you have to be responsible with a weapon. Not just for yourself, but those around you. When I was carrying, because I was in a city, I loaded Glaser rounds, because IF I had to shoot, I didn't want to put folks in nearby buildings in danger if I missed. Nothing ruins someone's day like sitting in your living room, and having a round slam into you through a wall or door. You have to think before you carry. Not just carry for kicks, because when you have a tool with you, you carry what you need. You carry a weapon, you have a responsibility not just yourself, but to those around you, because very quickly, folks around you can get brought into a mess if you get into trouble. That means you think about what you need, and the needs of those around you. Carrying, just because, that works for off duty cops. They may need a weapon, and quickly. For security personnel, you have to be careful of those around you, and weigh the options and needs. For a private citizen, you have to be even MOAR careful, because you aren't an officer. You may want to carry in some neighborhoods, on some business, but carrying to a Little League game only increases the risk to those around you--because accidents do happen, and they happen to folks who are careless. Carrying without good reason is an invitation for disaster, and you wander through thick brush and unsure footing with a loaded weapon, you can blow a hole in a tree, but doing in an area that is even thinly populated puts folks at risk. You have to be smart with a weapon, and you have to think.

I am all for the right to bear arms. I have carried in the past, and I'd do it again, easily, but only under the right circumstances, because as a responsible gun owner, I understand that having a loaded weapon IS a responsibility, not just a right. Rights and responsibilities go together, and the exercise of one without the other is asinine.
2013-01-18 05:42:59 AM  
4 votes:
Let's say I decide to go to the mall. At the same time I'm getting out of my car to walk into the mall I see someone else walking from the parking lot to the mall and he's got a rifle on his shoulder. How am I to know the difference between a bozo who just wants to be an attention whore by walking around with a gun and someone who is intent on killing as many as he can?

So often the best lobbyists for greater gun control are the gun nuts.
2013-01-18 05:37:27 AM  
4 votes:

TommyymmoT: What is it like to live in a state of constant fear?


Ask one of the guys with his hands up:

www.warsaw-life.com

They weren't allowed to have guns, only officials. So they must have been perfectly safe, right?
2013-01-18 12:44:50 AM  
4 votes:
I see people in stores with pistols on their belts fairly often and unless they look like they just got off a horse and are looking for new Levis I usually think ATTENTION WHORE. It doesn't bother me, it isn't news-worthy. But I know it bothers some people. And then there's these jackoffs who don't think a pistol is enough, they have to bring out the AR. Cocksuckers are so assholish with their rights that they would scare others into voting the rights away.
2013-01-18 06:21:26 AM  
3 votes:

moothemagiccow: 6. You guys already have concealed carry, which is frightening enough


Only to you because while people who own and carry guns are accused of being "paranoid", it is people like you who actually are paranoid.

When I lived in an apartment in that grey area between the 'good' part of town and the 'bad' part of town the level of security I felt comfortable with was a locked door and a small baseball bat like club. If I were a small person or a female I might have felt more secure with a deadbolt and a small caliber pistol.

I don't wear a seat belt because its the law or because I'm just absolutely terrified that at ANY MOMENT I could be in a car accident. I wear one because it could happen and it's better to be prepared than not. When I ride my mountain bike, I wear a helmet not because I'm terrified of falling off and hitting my head... If I was, I wouldn't ride the bike, the helmet is there just in case. If I choose to arm myself, it is not because I'm convinced that there are people out to get me, or because I expect to need to take out a mass murdering psycho, it's because I'm prepared on the extremely unlikely off chance that it's needed. Just like the seat belt. Just like the helmet.
2013-01-18 05:34:44 AM  
3 votes:
I don't see the problem. I see untrained civilians with minimal-to-zero firearms experience open carrying handguns all the time...

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... and don't even get me tarted on their "gun as penis" psychological profile. The only difference between this guy accidentally shooting you & some vigilante doing the same is the vigilante will actually get in trouble for it.
2013-01-18 05:25:27 AM  
3 votes:
I am very happy indeed to live in a country where he would have been arrested and imprisoned for a long time for this stunt.

/civilised countries don't need guns.
2013-01-18 01:55:57 AM  
3 votes:

Brontes: Will our next cause be to ban all fatty foods because heart disease kills 60 times as many people as gun homicides?


When the fatty foods that I eat kill others instead of just killing me, then perhaps we can consider it. If people only used guns for suicide, then perhaps that way the problem might be comparable, too.

Otherwise, false comparison is false.
2013-01-18 01:36:35 AM  
3 votes:
What a worthless douchebag. It's legal to carry a chainsaw too, but you'd have to be a pathetic piece of shiat to walk around with one in a shopping mall.
2013-01-18 01:04:27 AM  
3 votes:

GAT_00: Seriously?  This is how we're all supposed to be safe?  Because I don't know about you, but I worry when rifles are casually carried around.  It implies you expect to use it.


Actually, it indicates that the people carrying the rifles take themselves and their role in society way too seriously.  This is what happens when they run too many trailer trash-based "reality" shows on cable TV.
2013-01-18 12:46:42 AM  
3 votes:

dickfreckle: Store employees said the man in the pictures is 22-year-old Joseph Kelley, an Ogden resident. They said he's done this before to garner reaction.

So he's a troll. Wow, I would not have guessed that. Ever. I just figured that he was a Patriottm.


Patriotroll.
2013-01-18 12:36:58 AM  
3 votes:
Eventually, one of those assholes are going to get shot by somebody thinking they're some crazed gunman, because seriously, who brings an AR-15 to the mall?
2013-01-18 05:10:37 PM  
2 votes:
This is the gun-nut version of "I'm not touching you" that older siblings have tormented younger siblings with since the dawn of time.
2013-01-18 08:37:20 AM  
2 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: muck4doo: HotWingConspiracy: computerguyUT: We're not safe enough yet! We need Obummer to make us safffer!!

I like that the nutters that need weapons to leave their house feel that everyone else is safety obsessed.

I don't like it that the pants shiatters like yourself are willing to step all over everyone elses right's just because you think some evil gun is going to jump out at you someday and kill you. Especially those scary black ones.

I can leave my house with no weapons, pussy.


No you can't. You're hoping the government weapons are there to protect you from other people that might have them. You also hope that your government savior can take away any weapons from all the scary people who live in the world. You are the biggest pussy of them all. Scary gun says BOO!
2013-01-18 08:16:32 AM  
2 votes:
Right wing fear identification chart

Not scary:

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Scary:

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2013-01-18 07:55:10 AM  
2 votes:

moothemagiccow: doglover: html_007: I am surprised someone didn't see him walking twoards the entrancet to the mall and thought he may have been coming to the store to shoot it up, and then pull out their concealed handgun and drop a couple rounds into this idiot.

Then you're a moron.

Do you understand the concept of license? You have to pass tests and complete training to get a CCW. Did you see the guy last week who was being assaulted by a guy with a pellet gun but didn't pull his real gun? That's how you're supposed to react.

You're supposed to buy a gun and never use it? Why that's the exact same thing as not having one. Curious.


I bought a fire extinguisher with the intent of never using it. Is that the same as not having one too?
2013-01-18 07:37:07 AM  
2 votes:
As a gun owner, I have many many issues with this moron. The biggest might be the number of gun safety rules he is violating in one picture. Look at his barrel discipline (or lack there of). He is about to shoot the nuts/knees off some poor idiot standing next to him.

Even as a gun owner, and one that does conceal carry from time to time, I would have called the cops because he is being fundamentally unsafe and I wouldn't not trust this genius to take constructive criticism well.
2013-01-18 06:51:40 AM  
2 votes:
This just in:

A white woman's right to hold a black man's hand does not equal your constitutional right to self-defense.

A woman's right to abort an unborn child does not equal your right to self defense.

Obama's right to "defend" the U.S. from a group of civilian children in physical proximity to al Qaida #2 does not equal your right of self defense.

Despite your right to self defense being the only right specifically outlined in the Bill of Rights in reference to being "necessary for the security of a free State," it is apparently revocable if it makes liberals feel squeemish.
2013-01-18 06:44:26 AM  
2 votes:

fusillade762: Between him and these nitwits

[tribkcpq.files.wordpress.com image 850x478]

Seriously guys, you're not helping your cause.


Not hurting either. Occupy folks caused all kinds of crime, mayhem, money loss to cities, and nobody here whined. They were just using their constitutional rights.

Weird how only your side gets them, huh? Weird how those bastard Tea Party people all uphold the law, and your boys don't huh?
2013-01-18 06:37:08 AM  
2 votes:
Shows that when people are in a panic, they don't think rationally. If he were carrying a hammer, people wouldn't be upset and more people are murdered with hammers than assault rifles in this country
2013-01-18 06:33:16 AM  
2 votes:

moothemagiccow: untaken_name: Or do you just hate anyone who's different from you because the tiny little mushy ball of crap that you call a brain can't handle it?

I have reasonable suspicion that the police have passed some kind of course telling them not to murder people. And it's still pretty farking scary.

Oh and 15. He'd be dead if he went into a bank


He wouldn't go into a bank. It is a felony to go into a bank with a firearm and it has been established he's a law abiding citizen. Nice try though. I hope you can sleep after seeing such terrifying images of a person not threatening anyone or breaking any laws.
Do I think it was a great idea? Not really, but people need to calm the f*ck down about "OMG!!! GUNZ!!!"

/If they are only made to kill people, there are 100 million American's that apparently own broken firearms.
2013-01-18 06:13:41 AM  
2 votes:
There is not a single civilized country left in the world where this is acceptable or even legal.
2013-01-18 05:12:45 AM  
2 votes:
"He was in the wrong place and shouldn't be doing this at this location," Yorgason said.

Funny, people say the same thing about gays kissing and women breastfeeding in public.

/The guy may be an attention whore, but if no laws were broken and no one felt threatened then I shall proceed to move this into the "do not care" portion of my brain.
2013-01-18 05:09:18 AM  
2 votes:
If you feel the need to carry a rifle while you shop you are not a Real American defending our freedoms.


You are a giant farking paranoid asshole with a small penis who is trying to show how tough you are.
2013-01-18 04:14:13 AM  
2 votes:

cman: A white woman walking around holding a black mans hand for the longest timed was extremely unacceptable. There would be people who would assault the couple. Hell, they may have ended up dead.


Yeah, I know that. It was a huge risk to take, particularly in former Confederate territory. You know, gun country.

The "Pro-gun" side of this debate is spending pretty much all of its time ascribing viewpoints and goals to its opposition without anything to back it up. Take the NRA blasting Obama for... letting the Secret Service have guns. Sorry, when did Obama say "LET'S BAN ALL THE GUNS?" (Never.) But, to the NRA, holding a viewpoint other than "NO GUN RESTRICTIONS, NO BACKGROUND CHECKS" in the vicinity of ANY gun makes you "Just another elitist hypocrite".

My point is, this asshole is out at J.C. Penny fighting for a "right" that isn't being threatened. If you ask me, "Publicly acting on delusions of victimization" is a good sign that maybe you shouldn't be carrying a weapon.
2013-01-18 03:26:36 AM  
2 votes:
I wonder what the reaction was in the 60s when people saw interracial couples holding hands entering businesses.

If you dont fight for rights they tend to disappear.
2013-01-18 02:40:51 AM  
2 votes:
This is a perfect example of why "open carry" laws are farking stupid.

ThunderPelvis: I'm curious why he wasn't kicked the fark out of the store. There's no way I'd put up with that shiat in my place of business.


Probably because a large, corporate store in Utah doesn't want to get boycotted for something that people like this asshat would decry as an "anti-gun political statement". My money says this guy was just aching to get kicked out, so he could run to the local rag with a story. If he had tried this nonsense back East, he would have been turned away at the front door by security.

violentsalvation: You're not helping, you jackass attention whore.


This. What a dickhead.
2013-01-18 02:13:06 AM  
2 votes:
I'm curious why he wasn't kicked the fark out of the store. There's no way I'd put up with that shiat in my place of business.
2013-01-18 01:22:29 AM  
2 votes:

violentsalvation: GAT_00: Seriously?  This is how we're all supposed to be safe?  Because I don't know about you, but I worry when rifles are casually carried around.  It implies you expect to use it.

Nothing he is doing is safe. If a couple homies rushed him at the counter there they'd take him down and easily make off with his weapons. Take him down, put his own pistol in his face, and take the AR. This guy is a retard and he is making himself a target. This defines irresponsible gun ownership.


People like him are the reason I can't trust the rest of you, because there's probably quite a few of them to every responsible one. Pro bono publico dominates all.
2013-01-18 12:41:21 AM  
2 votes:
Ladies and gentlemen, this is how you troll.
2013-01-18 12:37:53 AM  
2 votes:
2013-01-18 12:25:10 AM  
2 votes:
Between him and these nitwits

tribkcpq.files.wordpress.com

Seriously guys, you're not helping your cause.
2013-01-18 12:23:54 AM  
2 votes:

This About That: Now, if his dick was hanging out, he would have been arrested.


It kind of was
2013-01-18 12:08:43 AM  
2 votes:
The store would have been entirely within their rights to require him to leave. The fact that didn't happen tells you something about the gun attitude in the area versus the woman. It also sounds like the reporter talked to the man, but doesn't ask the obvious question (Why are you carrying your rifle into a store?)

I know of a lot of people who don't like to leave their guns unattended in public (even in their car). Say you're out hunting or going to the range and if you need to stop for coffee or a bathroom or something.
2013-01-17 11:54:20 PM  
2 votes:
it's just JC Penney, it's not like there's anybody else in there.
2013-01-19 08:52:54 AM  
1 vote:

Keizer_Ghidorah: Regulation is not banning, nor is it taking away all your guns.

There's no legitimate reason to carry an assault weapon with you to the mall when a pistol works just as well.

Look, pro-gun people, many of us are trying to be on your side, but you're not helping yourselves or us with your constant cries of "EVERYONE WANNA TAKE OUR GUNS COMPLETELY AWAY!!" and pulling stunts like this, especially after several mass shootings over a short amount of time.


Not one person said "EVERYONE WANNA TAKE OUR GUNS COMPLETELY AWAY". How about this to put it in perspective (and I have already said what the guy did was stupid):

To protect the residents of the State of Connecticut from the 36,000 annual injuries and 300 annual deaths caused by irresponsible use of automobiles in this state alone, the following laws are now in effect:

Every car must have an ignition interlock on it to prevent it from starting if the driver has consumed any alcohol at all.

Your tank is limited to 3 gallons of gas. You will be arrested and charged if you are caught with a car that holds more than that. Since most people drive less than 40 miles a day, it's only a minor inconvenience to have to stop for gas more often and will prevent long distance drunk or reckless driving rampages.

When you purchase gas, they will run your license to verify it is valid and that you currently have insurance. If it is determined you don't, you cannot buy gas and you will be arrested. If you are caught making a gasoline "straw purchase, you will be arrested and charged. Your vehicle will be checked to verify it is properly registered and inspected. If it is not, it will be impounded and you will be arrested for possession and operation of an unlawful vehicle.

You will have to retake your road test yearly to demonstrate proficiency operating a vehicle as well as establish an ongoing "need" to retain your license. The fee for this is $130.00.

No vehicle capable of going over 65mph, or ones that can be modified to do so are permitted in the state, as the highest state speed limit is 65 mph.
No cars with more than 150 horsepower are allowed.
Violating either of the above will be a felony.

Out of state drivers licenses are no longer recognized in CT due to differing licensing standards. If you are caught driving in Connecticut with an out of state license, you will be charged with a felony.

Remember, these laws are for the safety of our children and they don't infringe on your rights, so I know you all fully support this
2013-01-18 03:03:30 PM  
1 vote:
Aw jeez, here we go again...
I lived in Utah in the 80's and 90's, and when I turned 21, I couldn't wait to get my first real pistol and wear it on my hip. That lasted approximately one day. Aside from the concerned looks and the one guy who made a comment, it was a PITA. Normal pants and belts aren't made to support the extra two pounds hanging off one side, the damn thing kept getting jammed up when I got in and out of my car, and before I went home, I ended up locking it in my trunk before going into the mall. After that, there were only a few other times I did wear one, and those coincided with either shooting excursions or when I was going camping in the canyons.
As a gun rights supporter, NRA member, and holder of a CCW, this dude is a world-class asshat. I carried a '16 for six years, and believe me, whenever I could stash it in a case out of sight I did (peacetime). The only time I carried a rifle openly was the time a buddy and I went to Crossroads of the West (a major gun show), at the Salt Palace downtown. We'd split up, and later I found out he went home because he forgot to bring his cash, and when I was finished and went to the place he'd parked, he was gone. After waiting two hours and four PA announcements, I had enough.

I took the magazine out of the .303 Enfield I'd just bought, removed the bolt, and slung it over my shoulder for the ten mile walk home. Had a couple folks slow down when they saw what I had, and about three-quarters a way home, SLPD stopped to investigate. When the cop saw the weapon's condition, (still had the yellow safety strap for lockout), and heard my explanation, he just laughed and got back in his car.

The point is, open carry shouldn't be penalized, nor should it be abused. This turd abused his right, and because of him, the ones of us who don't do anything wrong with our guns are going to be vilified even more.
2013-01-18 01:16:00 PM  
1 vote:

Z-clipped:
What the hell are you talking about? Attempting to draw a slung or holstered firearm when you've already lost the initiative and are standing at barrel's end is about the quickest way to die I can think of. You're saying THAT's what a highly-trained civilian gun owner is likely to do!? What you're proposing is ridiculous. It presupposes rational behavior on the part of the criminal, and irrational behavior on the part of the victim.


No, I'm saying that is what a criminal fears.
Irrational behavior isn't limited to the crooks side of this equation. They know that, which is why it isn't any more common for them to challenge armed citizens than it is for birds to attack brightly colored snakes.
If I've got to mug several people to make ends meet, picking the visibly armed ones is a quick way to earn a Darwin award.
2013-01-18 01:05:22 PM  
1 vote:
So a citizen is observed doing nothing illegal? Move along and peddle your alarmist idiot derp somewhere else, subby.
2013-01-18 01:04:00 PM  
1 vote:
I can wander around muttering shiat, piss, fark, damn... over and over again. I can wander around mumbling gibberish and scratching my belly. I can wander around and talk about how the lizard people are trying to abduct me... again. The 1st Amendment protects all of this behavior. Still, I choose not to exercise these rights, lest someone think I'm a lunatic.

I wish this gun-humper had similar feelings about his rights.
2013-01-18 10:59:28 AM  
1 vote:

HotWingConspiracy: An assault rifle ban isn't a gun ban. You can still own guns.


A ban on all beer and liqueur isn't an alcohol ban, you can still drink rubbing alcohol. So.. for you, nothing would be different.
2013-01-18 10:59:13 AM  
1 vote:
i47.tinypic.com
2013-01-18 10:41:57 AM  
1 vote:

ThunderPelvis: I'm curious why he wasn't kicked the fark out of the store. There's no way I'd put up with that shiat in my place of business.


Last month I had a tenant come into my office with a gun. I told him to leave immediately. He said he wanted to pay his rent. I said he could as soon as he came back without the weapon. He said he wasn't comfortable leaving it in his car. Fine, come back another day. Rent will be late but, I'll wave the fees. He told me to fark off and I was violating his rights and he would see me in court. Sent a five day notice. Filed a forceable detainer and went to court. He got up and started barking about the 2nd amendment and the judge is like whoa there boy, our only consideration is rent. Got the judgement and he didn't leave. Got a writ of restitution and the constable forced him out. I had to put all his shiat in storage including his guns. There it will sit until he pays me for reasonable storage fees. $25/say seems fair.
2013-01-18 10:41:29 AM  
1 vote:
2013-01-18 10:14:56 AM  
1 vote:
i48.tinypic.com
2013-01-18 10:13:32 AM  
1 vote:

drp: I own many guns, and am a single issue 2A voter.


Seriously? Given all of the problems this country has right now... the economy, overseas conflict, trade issues, energy dependence, education, the erosion of government representation through corporate influence... the gun issue trumps all of the others combined when you're looking for a candidate to vote for?

Sorry... I recognize that you're trying to be rational about the issue in TFA, but that makes me kinda facepalm-y. Single-issue voting is bad, no matter what the issue is.

muck4doo: You blame the tool, and not the person.


It's not an either/or proposition.
2013-01-18 10:04:27 AM  
1 vote:

HotWingConspiracy: muck4doo: HotWingConspiracy: muck4doo: HotWingConspiracy: That's silly, I never said that.

You blame the tool, and not the person.

False. I don't believe you're actually reading my posts.

Fair enough. You said a lot of derp in this thread, but I'll let you explain your position now.

Well my Boobies was pointing out that the man that is responsible today might not be tomorrow.

The problem is people, which is why I support background checks, mental health evals, etc.

No more loopholes, no more bullshiat.

So in essence my notion of gun control is access control.


Look, I know you mean well. You don't want to see kids getting killed, and neither do I. It breaks our hearts. When i get attacked(yes, i take attacks on gun owners personally, funny as they may be), I do get nasty back. In the end this gets us nowhere. You know that. I know that. Nobody wants to see kids getting killed. Mental health is a good start, but I have many questions on how that approach will be taken. Ask for treatment for PSTD? Does that mean vets can't get access to guns? Start banning violence in media? How come there was no problem with it till recently? Guns have been around a long time, and semi-autos for over a century. These types of things didn't start happening until recently(Charles Whitman). Since then there have been too many copy cats. Did you see these tpes of incidents happening in the 50's or 40's? Not much during the 70's. Or 80's. Something is wrong and sick in this society today. It's not my place to say exactly what it is, and neither is it yours. But with dialogue everyone can start to try to figure it out. It's not the guns though. They were there before, they are there now, and will always be. It's like blaming a crime on a hammer, rather than try to figure out what the hell went wrong with the person that used it in a murderous manner.
2013-01-18 09:37:49 AM  
1 vote:

Baz the Spaz: In some places, like Israel, this is acceptable.

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Just sayin'....


Sure.  But, they are trained, living in a country that's perpetually at war, and, most importantly, look at their muzzles as opposed to this imbecile, for example:
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When a Middle Eastern girl has better gun smarts than your dumb American ass, you really should not be walking around with the damn thing.
2013-01-18 09:34:31 AM  
1 vote:

HotWingConspiracy: That's silly, I never said that.


You blame the tool, and not the person. So yes, you did, and you have. You are a scared little man afraid of the new technology out there, and people other than the government having those types of tools . Like I said earlier, you would be the caveman protesting against fire. What made you become a big government tool(yes, you are a tool too.)? Seriously? Is it you don't trust yourself, or just hate other people?
2013-01-18 09:11:18 AM  
1 vote:

Vodka Zombie: HotWingConspiracy: Damn, seems I've got a new fan.

CSB time:

Your new fan was the very first person I put on my ignore list when I came to Fark.


I'll never understand people who feel the need to tell everyone about their ignore list. It's like advertising that you're a giant vagina.
2013-01-18 09:00:19 AM  
1 vote:
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2013-01-18 08:54:24 AM  
1 vote:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: What a worthless douchebag. It's legal to carry a chainsaw too, but you'd have to be a pathetic piece of shiat to walk around with one in a shopping mall.


And that is strange why? Walked around a local mall twice with a chain saw, nobody gave me even a second glance. (local sears is connected to a mall, bought a couple chain saws there, walked through the mall to my car...) It isn't like a chain saw is the most effective mass murder weapon ever.
2013-01-18 08:45:27 AM  
1 vote:

HotWingConspiracy: muck4doo: HotWingConspiracy: muck4doo: HotWingConspiracy: computerguyUT: We're not safe enough yet! We need Obummer to make us safffer!!

I like that the nutters that need weapons to leave their house feel that everyone else is safety obsessed.

I don't like it that the pants shiatters like yourself are willing to step all over everyone elses right's just because you think some evil gun is going to jump out at you someday and kill you. Especially those scary black ones.

I can leave my house with no weapons, pussy.

No you can't. You're hoping the government weapons are there to protect you from other people that might have them.

No I'm not. I'm not afraid of the world, you are. I don't even lock my door at night. You own weapons to pretend like you're in control. You're a sad little man who at the very least recognizes how small he is. How often did you get beat up in school? This level of paranoia comes from somewhere.

You also hope that your government savior can take away any weapons from all the scary people who live in the world. You are the biggest pussy of them all. Scary gun says BOO!

One day they will, and you won't do anything about it, because you're a pussy.


LOL! If you lived in the caveman days you would have protested the power of fire. Such a sad little scared man you are.

/The gun says BOO!
2013-01-18 08:35:28 AM  
1 vote:

HotWingConspiracy: computerguyUT: We're not safe enough yet! We need Obummer to make us safffer!!

I like that the nutters that need weapons to leave their house feel that everyone else is safety obsessed.


Which is worse, the person who carries a gun around and does not harm anyone, or the ones that want to ban a shotgun just because it has a pistol grip?
2013-01-18 08:30:28 AM  
1 vote:

HotWingConspiracy: computerguyUT: We're not safe enough yet! We need Obummer to make us safffer!!

I like that the nutters that need weapons to leave their house feel that everyone else is safety obsessed.


I don't like it that the pants shiatters like yourself are willing to step all over everyone elses right's just because you think some evil gun is going to jump out at you someday and kill you. Especially those scary black ones.
2013-01-18 08:26:54 AM  
1 vote:

fusillade762: Between him and these nitwits

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Seriously guys, you're not helping your cause.


In a way they are helping. They're forcing many people to reveal their true feelings about the subject, that their goal isn't the eradication of gun violence, but the eradication of guns themselves.
2013-01-18 08:25:14 AM  
1 vote:
Has anybody mentioned that this picture depicts poor muzzle control? Because this picture depicts poor muzzle control. Adjust your shoulder strap, Pudgy, and quit pointing that thing at the dude next you at the counter.

Also, as I live in an open carry state, I'm used to seeing people carrying around a handgun. Hell, sometimes I carry around a handgun (in the woods, at the gas station on the way to the range, you know, places where that's reasonable), but carrying around a rifle of any sort like this in a department store is just douchebaggery. If the point you're trying to make is that you're a sensationalist, attention whore ass hat, well congrats, you've succeeded. If your point is anything other than that, you probably did more harm than good to your cause.
2013-01-18 08:24:30 AM  
1 vote:
BLRBMAGARBMANARBLE ASSAULT RIFFLE!!!!!

OOOHH it has a PISTOL GRIP IT'S GOING TO KILL US ALL!!

MOAR LAWS!! MOAR LAWS!!

We're not safe enough yet! We need Obummer to make us safffer!!

Actually....Utah. STFU haters and crawl back into your holes.
Utah = good gun laws.

Not the murder capital of anything, actually one of the safest states in the nation.
HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE!! Thar are BLACK guns in UTAH!!

The biggest problem we have here is the gangbangers overflowing the Rectopia of Kalifornia.

Keep your crappy laws, your tree huggers and your gangbangers.
2013-01-18 07:46:46 AM  
1 vote:
I own firearms, even the "evil" ones currently on the Democratic Hit List......but this guy is an attention whore plain and simple. There is absolutely no need to "train the public" to get used to Open Carry in a JC Penney's. While I agree that educating the general public to positive benefits of firearm ownership is a goal that should be attained, the "Shock" approach demonstrated here isn't helping our cause at all. Now these people aren't thinking "Hey that guy is standing up for his 2nd amendment right, what a good guy!", NO now they are thinking "Hey what is wrong with that gun nut? why does he have an "assault rifle" in JC Penney's? He's crazy".
2013-01-18 07:39:39 AM  
1 vote:

HindiDiscoMonster: crab66: If you feel the need to carry a rifle while you shop you are not a Real American defending our freedoms.


You are a giant farking paranoid asshole with a small penis who is trying to show how tough you are.

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/please continue...


Please stop repeating this lie. A few of us actually do understand Freud.

In General Introduction to Psychoanalysis , Freud wrote, "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity"

Freud is specifically making reference to the male phallus with his use of the word "weapon", as his Tenth Lecture on the subject of dreams labels swords, sabers, pistols and rifles as symbols of the male gentalia. A fear of a weapon, in a dream, mind you, simply suggests a neurosis towards the male phallus. For instance, if a female were to have a dream in which a man with a gun startled her, it would point towards an innate fear of sex, and perhaps lead to the discovery of said fear.

The quote has nothing to do with firearms. It is merely a comment on dreams and symbolism.

As far as sexual maturity, he basically proposed humans as sexual beings from birth, and that along with the body, ones sexuality matures as well. Except many people get stuck at a developmental stage of sexuality rather than continue to mature.

Freud decided pretty much everything was about sex. But he also had a nasty coke habit too so, you might want to take his ideas with a grain of salt. Almost all of his theories are regarded as wrong these days anyway.


Also...

Fark just after 9/11 - "After an emotional tragedy rushing to enact legislation that infringes on our rights but does little to nothing to actually keep us safe is wrong. The odds of being killed in a terrorist attack are incredibly low."

Fark now - "In the wake of such an emotional tragedy we must rush to enact legislation that infringes on the rights of legal gun owners but does little to nothing to actually keep us safe. Despite the odds of being killed in a mass shooting are incredibly low.."

The selective application of outrage over the erosion of constitutional rights is hypocritical. I know, welcome to fark.

/ I am in no way suggesting the guy in TFA is anything but a giant paranoid a-hole. I won't speculate about the size of his penis
// If you see a Guy with a rifle in public don't take any chances. Run away and call the cops!
2013-01-18 07:33:39 AM  
1 vote:

Lorelle: violentsalvation: I see people in stores with pistols on their belts fairly often and unless they look like they just got off a horse and are looking for new Levis I usually think ATTENTION WHORE.

Yup. This one's just another "AH GOTS A GUN! LOOKIT MAH GUN!" jerk.


No worse than a hipster with an ipad, a preppy with his Oakleys perched in his messed-style hair, prada purses, old women with blue hair etc.

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2013-01-18 07:30:26 AM  
1 vote:

Jaws_Victim: One of the great things abouot not living in the past, say, the old west, is that we have a realtively stale society and not everyone is required to carry a gun (or sword) at all times for protection.

Given that, carrying a gun into a place that does not normally have them will be out of the place. It is far more common to see a gun in a store when it is being robbed or someone is shooting than just because someone is 'exercising their rights.' It is intimidating,it scares the other shoppers who do not know your intent, it scares the employee who has to contradict you in regards to store policy, and it scares the police because they will be getting calls. The point is, people do not know if you are nut who wants to rob the store or worse, hurt people. Or if you are just a nut who feels that American exceptionalism and nationalistic pride are a replacement for intelligence and allows you to carry weapons into peaceful locations. Your intent is not know, and you are scaring the daylights out of normal people.


Wrote that on an ipad. So theres a million mistakes. Stable society.
2013-01-18 07:24:41 AM  
1 vote:
One of the great things abouot not living in the past, say, the old west, is that we have a realtively stale society and not everyone is required to carry a gun (or sword) at all times for protection.

Given that, carrying a gun into a place that does not normally have them will be out of the place. It is far more common to see a gun in a store when it is being robbed or someone is shooting than just because someone is 'exercising their rights.' It is intimidating,it scares the other shoppers who do not know your intent, it scares the employee who has to contradict you in regards to store policy, and it scares the police because they will be getting calls. The point is, people do not know if you are nut who wants to rob the store or worse, hurt people. Or if you are just a nut who feels that American exceptionalism and nationalistic pride are a replacement for intelligence and allows you to carry weapons into peaceful locations. Your intent is not know, and you are scaring the daylights out of normal people.
2013-01-18 06:27:27 AM  
1 vote:
Covered in someone else's in blood? Probably a nurse.

Walking around with major untreated injuries? Probably an MMA fighter. He's fine.

Carrying a machete with an angry look on their face? Probably just tired from cutting their way though the jungles of Utah to buy milk.

Exchanging powdery white substances for money? Probably just selling laundry detergent.

Some kids video taping themselves driving around shooting people with a paintball gun? I'm sure it's a movie and they have the proper filming license.

We should just ignore everything out of the ordinary because it's probably fine. No one ever has bad intentions when they walk around a public place with an assault rifle.
2013-01-18 06:27:12 AM  
1 vote:

randomjsa: moothemagiccow: 6. You guys already have concealed carry, which is frightening enough

Only to you because while people who own and carry guns are accused of being "paranoid", it is people like you who actually are paranoid.

When I lived in an apartment in that grey area between the 'good' part of town and the 'bad' part of town the level of security I felt comfortable with was a locked door and a small baseball bat like club. If I were a small person or a female I might have felt more secure with a deadbolt and a small caliber pistol.

I don't wear a seat belt because its the law or because I'm just absolutely terrified that at ANY MOMENT I could be in a car accident. I wear one because it could happen and it's better to be prepared than not. When I ride my mountain bike, I wear a helmet not because I'm terrified of falling off and hitting my head... If I was, I wouldn't ride the bike, the helmet is there just in case. If I choose to arm myself, it is not because I'm convinced that there are people out to get me, or because I expect to need to take out a mass murdering psycho, it's because I'm prepared on the extremely unlikely off chance that it's needed. Just like the seat belt. Just like the helmet.


 Concealed carry, is protection. Open carry of a rifle, is intimidation.
2013-01-18 06:12:18 AM  
1 vote:

Befuddled: Let's say I decide to go to the mall. At the same time I'm getting out of my car to walk into the mall I see someone else walking from the parking lot to the mall and he's got a rifle on his shoulder. How am I to know the difference between a bozo who just wants to be an attention whore by walking around with a gun and someone who is intent on killing as many as he can?


THIS. How are we to know?
2013-01-18 05:55:00 AM  
1 vote:

Gyrfalcon: If you've got your legal, responsibly owned rifle slung over your back, and you're standing at the jeans rack at JC Penney's, your back to the rest of the store, comparing prices or whatever, ignoring all the other shoppers and hurly-burly going on around you, and some crazed fool suddenly opens fire with HIS assault rifle behind you--what good is your gun going to do you then?


Depends on why the other guy wants to open fire.
A murderer out to get you (specifically) may not be swayed by the fact you have a gun, But the presence of one obviously complicates their plans.
Attacking a visibly armed man in a sears full of witnesses makes for a very poor opportunity.

A mugger, rapist, car jacker or someone out to simply assault you cause they've got a chip on their shoulder, these guys are looking for easy marks and easy crimes. Its the reason they use guns themselves, to gain quick compliance.
The presence of a weapon on their target says "this customer might escalate the situation pretty quickly...".
A lazy criminal doesn't want to risk being under someone elses muzzle. Unless his plan starts with a loud and violent murder, he's probably going elsewhere.
Many people who open carry are thinking about these guys. Their intent is to discourage the attack by carrying around a big stick.

Its why cops not only carry exposed weapons, but easily recognized uniforms that say "I have firepower and the authority to use it". Because it demands respect with a hint of fear and keeps people with evil thoughts at bay.
...Unless the would-be criminal is insane, but all bets are off in those cases anyway.

/Cops do get hit over the back of the head from time to time.
/But someone who would do that probably wouldn't be encouraged to not-do it just because the cop didn't have a gun.
2013-01-18 05:45:52 AM  
1 vote:

TommyymmoT: JSam21: TommyymmoT: Bladel: I wonder what would happen if two such asshats would target the same store on the same day for this stunt.

Would the immediately recognize each other as kindred souls?

Or more likely, would they both assume the other was coming for their gun, and turn the Food Court in to a 21st Century OK Coral?

As I stated earlier, there's every possibility that one might assume that the other is about to go on a shooting spree.
Armed security at the mall may very well think the same thing.

The only way to really protect these stalwart defenders of the 2nd amendment, is to give them a tattoo on the forehead that reads PATRIOT.
Though ASSHOLE would work just as well.

Glad to see you know how use of force works. Someone just walking around with a gun doesn't constitute the use of deadly force.

No, it just implies the threat of deadly force.
What is it like to live in a state of constant fear?
Do people point and laugh?
I know I sure would.



If you are implying that I live in constant fear you would be incorrect. I carry a gun at work. When I clock out my gun comes out of the holster on my duty belt, into a locked case, and then placed into a locked locker along with my duty belt. I don't "play" with guns. Just as much as a carpenter doesn't play with power saws. My gun is a tool of my job and I train with my tool on a regular basis for the unfortunate instance if I have to use my weapon while on duty. I train for my safety and the safety of everyone around that incident. I don't want to put holes into another human being that isn't threatening the life of myself or another.
2013-01-18 05:42:58 AM  
1 vote:

Freezer: No, I effin don't, but this dorkus isn't the police. Furthermore, the rest of these wannabe's aren't the army or the malitia, or the police either. Their a bunch of short dicks that haven't got anything better to do.


How did you even get a keyboard permit?
2013-01-18 05:39:57 AM  
1 vote:

Freezer: Fubini: GAT_00: Seriously?  This is how we're all supposed to be safe?  Because I don't know about you, but I worry when rifles are casually carried around.  It implies you expect to use it.

Do you get the vapors when you see police with service pistols?

No, I effin don't, but this dorkus isn't the police. Furthermore, the rest of these wannabe's aren't the army or the malitia, or the police either. Their a bunch of short dicks that haven't got anything better to do. The majority of these turdblossoms have about as much situational training as a can of vienna sausages. Knowing how to fire a weapon does not equal knowing when to fire it.


Correct... But do we know what his training level is? Technically, as a licensed armed security officer in my state, I am a civilian with police poiwers only on duty. But I do have extensive firearms training, including shoot/don't shoot live fire and FATS machine training. I'm also on the Rapid Response Team at my hospital and am trained to deal with active shooter situations as well as building clearing situations.

All of that being said, nothing illegal was done here. Is he an obvious attention whore? Yes. Criminal? No.
2013-01-18 05:39:37 AM  
1 vote:
22. High and tight haircut. AR-15 strapped. And you're not overseas serving your country, why?

somethings shoot back
2013-01-18 05:34:55 AM  
1 vote:

Freezer: Fubini: GAT_00: Seriously?  This is how we're all supposed to be safe?  Because I don't know about you, but I worry when rifles are casually carried around.  It implies you expect to use it.

Do you get the vapors when you see police with service pistols?

No, I effin don't, but this dorkus isn't the police. Furthermore, the rest of these wannabe's aren't the army or the malitia, or the police either. Their a bunch of short dicks that haven't got anything better to do. The majority of these turdblossoms have about as much situational training as a can of vienna sausages. Knowing how to fire a weapon does not equal knowing when to fire it.


And it's your contention that police have mastered the "when to fire it" thing? Really? What non-Earth planet do you reside on?
2013-01-18 05:33:03 AM  
1 vote:

Fubini: GAT_00: Seriously?  This is how we're all supposed to be safe?  Because I don't know about you, but I worry when rifles are casually carried around.  It implies you expect to use it.

Do you get the vapors when you see police with service pistols?


No, I effin don't, but this dorkus isn't the police. Furthermore, the rest of these wannabe's aren't the army or the malitia, or the police either. Their a bunch of short dicks that haven't got anything better to do. The majority of these turdblossoms have about as much situational training as a can of vienna sausages. Knowing how to fire a weapon does not equal knowing when to fire it.
2013-01-18 05:31:51 AM  
1 vote:
2013-01-18 05:29:57 AM  
1 vote:

orbister: I am very happy indeed to live in a country where he would have been arrested and imprisoned for a long time for this stunt.

/civilised countries don't need guns.


I envy you

Trusting those who you do not know implicitly takes balls
2013-01-18 05:24:28 AM  
1 vote:

TommyymmoT: Bladel: I wonder what would happen if two such asshats would target the same store on the same day for this stunt.

Would the immediately recognize each other as kindred souls?

Or more likely, would they both assume the other was coming for their gun, and turn the Food Court in to a 21st Century OK Coral?

As I stated earlier, there's every possibility that one might assume that the other is about to go on a shooting spree.
Armed security at the mall may very well think the same thing.

The only way to really protect these stalwart defenders of the 2nd amendment, is to give them a tattoo on the forehead that reads PATRIOT.
Though ASSHOLE would work just as well.


Glad to see you know how use of force works. Someone just walking around with a gun doesn't constitute the use of deadly force.
2013-01-18 05:21:24 AM  
1 vote:
This is great news for any crazed gunmen who want to go kill a bunch of folks. He can just walk in and nobody will blink an eye, figuring hes just another proud 'merrican exercising his 2nd 'menment rites.
2013-01-18 05:19:05 AM  
1 vote:

Abacus9: Why did he even need to have it with him on a trip to the store? It's an assault rifle.


It's an affront rifle in this instance.
2013-01-18 05:15:12 AM  
1 vote:
Whatever else you can say about it, it's just tacky.
2013-01-18 04:20:39 AM  
1 vote:

fusillade762: Between him and these nitwits

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Seriously guys, you're not helping your cause.


In VA, home of the NRA, that's illegal.  (Magazines in.  Gotta be out.)
2013-01-18 04:06:32 AM  
1 vote:

cman: So people fighting for their rights is not the same as people fighting for their rights?


You don't have the right to openly carry a loaded rifle in the mall.
This dickhead was "exercising" the tacit permission of the owner of the store (which could be rescinded at any time, for any reason), not his rights.
2013-01-18 03:49:08 AM  
1 vote:

ThunderPelvis: cman: I wonder what the reaction was in the 60s when people saw interracial couples holding hands entering businesses.

If you dont fight for rights they tend to disappear.

Oh, for the love of...this shiat right here is why I have to drink.

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So people fighting for their rights is not the same as people fighting for their rights?
2013-01-18 03:32:28 AM  
1 vote:
I wonder what would happen if two such asshats would target the same store on the same day for this stunt.

Would the immediately recognize each other as kindred souls?

Or more likely, would they both assume the other was coming for their gun, and turn the Food Court in to a 21st Century OK Coral?
2013-01-18 03:06:58 AM  
1 vote:

GAT_00: Seriously?  This is how we're all supposed to be safe?  Because I don't know about you, but I worry when rifles are casually carried around.  It implies you expect to use it.


Do you get the vapors when you see police with service pistols?
2013-01-18 12:53:58 AM  
1 vote:

violentsalvation: I see people in stores with pistols on their belts fairly often and unless they look like they just got off a horse and are looking for new Levis I usually think ATTENTION WHORE.


Yup. This one's just another "AH GOTS A GUN! LOOKIT MAH GUN!" jerk.
2013-01-18 12:40:12 AM  
1 vote:

BunkoSquad: Oh God, it wasn't a Black Panther, was it?

Or....well, a Black anything?


If he were black, the SWAT team would have mowed him down just on spec.
I mean a black man, with a rifle, in a mall, in UTAH?
2013-01-18 12:35:32 AM  
1 vote:
Oh God, it wasn't a Black Panther, was it?

Or....well, a Black anything?
2013-01-18 12:30:06 AM  
1 vote:
This dude just doesn't understand tacky behavior. What woukd Miss Manners say?
2013-01-18 12:28:07 AM  
1 vote:
I'll bet if that happened with a few farkers shopping that the sale of under pants would increase dramatically. Oh wait three problems with that one farkers hardly leave moms basement so they would not be there, also it's not Tuesday so most farkers would not change their under garments under any circumstances. It takes money to shop and after bong food, chips and fudge brownies who has money for JCPenneys? Sorry guys I had a bad day found out that I am just having to get used to getting crippled as surgery is not an option. Well not everything can go my way. Still I would have loved to have been there to check out the guys guns.
2013-01-18 12:12:19 AM  
1 vote:
THESE SIZE 13 PUMPS ARE FOR MY SISTER! DOES ANYONE HERE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT?
2013-01-18 12:08:37 AM  
1 vote:
I'd like to return this thong.  It is stained.

I SAID I WOULD LIKE TO RETURN THIS THONG. IT IS STAINED!  DOES ANYONE HERE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT?

I didn't think so.
 
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