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2013-01-18 05:42:46 AM  

untaken_name: And it's your contention that police have mastered the "when to fire it" thing? Really? What non-Earth planet do you reside on?


And of course that gives you the right to pretend you're the tough guy in the movies you watch.
 
2013-01-18 05:42:58 AM  

Freezer: No, I effin don't, but this dorkus isn't the police. Furthermore, the rest of these wannabe's aren't the army or the malitia, or the police either. Their a bunch of short dicks that haven't got anything better to do.


How did you even get a keyboard permit?
 
2013-01-18 05:42:59 AM  
Let's say I decide to go to the mall. At the same time I'm getting out of my car to walk into the mall I see someone else walking from the parking lot to the mall and he's got a rifle on his shoulder. How am I to know the difference between a bozo who just wants to be an attention whore by walking around with a gun and someone who is intent on killing as many as he can?

So often the best lobbyists for greater gun control are the gun nuts.
 
2013-01-18 05:43:20 AM  

TommyymmoT: As I stated earlier, there's every possibility that one might assume that the other is about to go on a shooting spree.
Armed security at the mall may very well think the same thing.



FTA: "She never felt threatened, but she believes a place like JC Penney is an inappropriate place to bring a weapon."

What part of "She never felt threatened" are you missing? This is a non-story.
 
2013-01-18 05:45:13 AM  

VarmintCong: cman: I envy you

Trusting those who you do not know implicitly takes balls

So you're saying I shouldn't implicitly trust the guy with the AR-15 strapped to his back?


Maybe not, but it's rather amusing to see you wetting your pants over this.
 
2013-01-18 05:45:52 AM  

TommyymmoT: JSam21: TommyymmoT: Bladel: I wonder what would happen if two such asshats would target the same store on the same day for this stunt.

Would the immediately recognize each other as kindred souls?

Or more likely, would they both assume the other was coming for their gun, and turn the Food Court in to a 21st Century OK Coral?

As I stated earlier, there's every possibility that one might assume that the other is about to go on a shooting spree.
Armed security at the mall may very well think the same thing.

The only way to really protect these stalwart defenders of the 2nd amendment, is to give them a tattoo on the forehead that reads PATRIOT.
Though ASSHOLE would work just as well.

Glad to see you know how use of force works. Someone just walking around with a gun doesn't constitute the use of deadly force.

No, it just implies the threat of deadly force.
What is it like to live in a state of constant fear?
Do people point and laugh?
I know I sure would.



If you are implying that I live in constant fear you would be incorrect. I carry a gun at work. When I clock out my gun comes out of the holster on my duty belt, into a locked case, and then placed into a locked locker along with my duty belt. I don't "play" with guns. Just as much as a carpenter doesn't play with power saws. My gun is a tool of my job and I train with my tool on a regular basis for the unfortunate instance if I have to use my weapon while on duty. I train for my safety and the safety of everyone around that incident. I don't want to put holes into another human being that isn't threatening the life of myself or another.
 
2013-01-18 05:48:00 AM  
Why is it that gun nuts are, in fact, also nuts in many other ways?

Oh, right, they're nuts.
 
2013-01-18 05:48:04 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Why do you need an assault rifle to go shopping? No, seriously. Bearing in mind that a weapon is only useful if it is in your hands when you need it, realistically speaking, why do you need a rifle when you're shopping?


What I always find odd is that they always just answer with: "I don't NEED it, but it's my RIGHT to carry it!" Seriously, when did grown adults start acting like this. Doing something just because you can, for no good reason.
 
2013-01-18 05:49:52 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-18 05:50:56 AM  

thamike: cman: VarmintCong: cman: I envy you

Trusting those who you do not know implicitly takes balls

So you're saying I shouldn't implicitly trust the guy with the AR-15 strapped to his back?

Trust no one but yourself

What does any of this have to do with trust?


Everything

By entrusting weapons to someone else you take a big defensive tool away. You gotta have trust that when someone breaks in the police will be there.
 
2013-01-18 05:51:09 AM  

Abacus9: Doing something just because you can, for no good reason.


Because the President is near and I am mad as hell. So it's time to act like I'm 12.
 
2013-01-18 05:54:11 AM  

TommyymmoT: untaken_name: TommyymmoT: What is it like to live in a state of constant fear?

Ask one of the guys with his hands up:

[www.warsaw-life.com image 467x300]

They weren't allowed to have guns, only officials. So they must have been perfectly safe, right?

The guy with his hands up, most likely didn't vote with paranoia in his heart.
The guys with the guns, did.

gotta go


You obviously don't know anything about the image I posted, so go on, run away, just like a coward always does.
 
2013-01-18 05:54:55 AM  
There's nothing redeemable about this guy's actions and he's an embarrassment to all level-headed and responsible gun owners. Simply because you have the right (or permission) to do something, doesn't mean you should -- that's part of being a grown-up.

To those that attempt to justify his actions by suggesting he had one or more of the firearms with him and did not want to leave them unattended in his car -- sorry. Firearm responsibility includes planning where you will be traveling with them.

The idea that he was armed to this degree of personal protection is also laughable. An obvious weekend warrior, suited up with his tactical gear, and loaded for bear. At best this guy did this because, "Damn't I'm allowed to and people will see the light if I just show them the way." At worst he was doing this for attention and/or to intimidate.

Regardless, all that he accomplished was making any number of people feel uncomfortable (and yes, I do feel equally uncomfortable around *any* armed individual(s) in such settings especially if they are armed to this degree), and reinforcing that there are a large number of asshats who legally own firearms.

/gun owner
//anti gun-control legislation
///blah blah blah
 
2013-01-18 05:55:00 AM  

Gyrfalcon: If you've got your legal, responsibly owned rifle slung over your back, and you're standing at the jeans rack at JC Penney's, your back to the rest of the store, comparing prices or whatever, ignoring all the other shoppers and hurly-burly going on around you, and some crazed fool suddenly opens fire with HIS assault rifle behind you--what good is your gun going to do you then?


Depends on why the other guy wants to open fire.
A murderer out to get you (specifically) may not be swayed by the fact you have a gun, But the presence of one obviously complicates their plans.
Attacking a visibly armed man in a sears full of witnesses makes for a very poor opportunity.

A mugger, rapist, car jacker or someone out to simply assault you cause they've got a chip on their shoulder, these guys are looking for easy marks and easy crimes. Its the reason they use guns themselves, to gain quick compliance.
The presence of a weapon on their target says "this customer might escalate the situation pretty quickly...".
A lazy criminal doesn't want to risk being under someone elses muzzle. Unless his plan starts with a loud and violent murder, he's probably going elsewhere.
Many people who open carry are thinking about these guys. Their intent is to discourage the attack by carrying around a big stick.

Its why cops not only carry exposed weapons, but easily recognized uniforms that say "I have firepower and the authority to use it". Because it demands respect with a hint of fear and keeps people with evil thoughts at bay.
...Unless the would-be criminal is insane, but all bets are off in those cases anyway.

/Cops do get hit over the back of the head from time to time.
/But someone who would do that probably wouldn't be encouraged to not-do it just because the cop didn't have a gun.
 
2013-01-18 05:59:01 AM  

crab66: untaken_name: And it's your contention that police have mastered the "when to fire it" thing? Really? What non-Earth planet do you reside on?

And of course that gives you the right to pretend you're the tough guy in the movies you watch.


Let's say, for the sake of argument, that you're correct. Let's say that I enjoy pretending to be a tough guy from the movies. What do you have against that, exactly? Lots of people want to be things they aren't, and they like to pretend. As long as they aren't hurting anyone, why do you care? The guy going around dressed up like Batman is pretending to be a tough guy from the movies, but he doesn't use a gun. So wanting to be a tough guy from the movies doesn't seem to be synonymous with liking or using guns. Is it guns that you have a problem with, or people who enjoy pretending to be tough guys from the movies? Or do you just hate anyone who's different from you because the tiny little mushy ball of crap that you call a brain can't handle it?
 
2013-01-18 05:59:04 AM  
WHY U NO POST PICTURES?

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-18 06:00:46 AM  
1. It's not a new pair of shoes
2. If he was black or south asian, he'd be dead right now
3. I would never go back to that store ever again
4. I might not go to JC Penney ever again
5. I would've called the cops, not taken a picture and called the news. Notice how no one took a picture of his face?
6. You guys already have concealed carry, which is frightening enough
7. Wouldn't be seen wielding a Grenade
8. Knife
9. Sword
10. or Bomb
11. Shooting at no one is equally dangerous
12. The gun is pointed at someone, I don't care if his finger's not on the trigger.
13. The death of the 4th amendment invalidates the 2nd
14. Never going to Utah
 
2013-01-18 06:03:16 AM  

untaken_name: Or do you just hate anyone who's different from you because the tiny little mushy ball of crap that you call a brain can't handle it?


I have reasonable suspicion that the police have passed some kind of course telling them not to murder people. And it's still pretty farking scary.

Oh and 15. He'd be dead if he went into a bank
 
2013-01-18 06:06:42 AM  

cman: thamike: cman: VarmintCong: cman: I envy you

Trusting those who you do not know implicitly takes balls

So you're saying I shouldn't implicitly trust the guy with the AR-15 strapped to his back?

Trust no one but yourself

What does any of this have to do with trust?

Everything

By entrusting weapons to someone else you take a big defensive tool away. You gotta have trust that when someone breaks in the police will be there.


You're on a completely different level. I meant about this situation. Having to trust that a guy with a rifle at JC Penney is non-threatening is like having to trust that the guy who rubbing my Big Mac on his ass has good hygiene.  Neither guy should even exist, let alone be a necessary existential quandary in my everyday life.
 
2013-01-18 06:08:13 AM  

Abacus9: GAT_00: Seriously?  This is how we're all supposed to be safe?  Because I don't know about you, but I worry when rifles are casually carried around.  It implies you expect to use it.

^


We should make it a crime for any action that anyone thinks might imply a crime.

Did you get into a car with a completely unnecessary v8 engine? That implies you're gonna go street racing or will gleefully run down some school children.

Did you carry a knife? Implied stabbing!

Eye patch? Implied pirate.
 
2013-01-18 06:12:18 AM  

Befuddled: Let's say I decide to go to the mall. At the same time I'm getting out of my car to walk into the mall I see someone else walking from the parking lot to the mall and he's got a rifle on his shoulder. How am I to know the difference between a bozo who just wants to be an attention whore by walking around with a gun and someone who is intent on killing as many as he can?


THIS. How are we to know?
 
2013-01-18 06:13:26 AM  

untaken_name: TommyymmoT: untaken_name: TommyymmoT: What is it like to live in a state of constant fear?

Ask one of the guys with his hands up:

[www.warsaw-life.com image 467x300]

They weren't allowed to have guns, only officials. So they must have been perfectly safe, right?

The guy with his hands up, most likely didn't vote with paranoia in his heart.
The guys with the guns, did.

gotta go

You obviously don't know anything about the image I posted, so go on, run away, just like a coward always does.


I, quite sadly, don't know the back story behind every photo ever taken.
I'm still waiting for my car, so why don't you enlighten me?
Are you one of those imbeciles that think the Holocaust happened because the Jews were denied guns?
Or are you one of those imbeciles that think that slavery in the Americas would have never happened, had the black people been armed?

/not a coward, just not willing to miss work to explain myself to some anonymous douche nozzle that thinks I should
 
2013-01-18 06:13:41 AM  
There is not a single civilized country left in the world where this is acceptable or even legal.
 
2013-01-18 06:16:09 AM  

thamike: cman: thamike: cman: VarmintCong: cman: I envy you

Trusting those who you do not know implicitly takes balls

So you're saying I shouldn't implicitly trust the guy with the AR-15 strapped to his back?

Trust no one but yourself

What does any of this have to do with trust?

Everything

By entrusting weapons to someone else you take a big defensive tool away. You gotta have trust that when someone breaks in the police will be there.

You're on a completely different level. I meant about this situation. Having to trust that a guy with a rifle at JC Penney is non-threatening is like having to trust that the guy who rubbing my Big Mac on his ass has good hygiene.  Neither guy should even exist, let alone be a necessary existential quandary in my everyday life.


I was replying to orbister's post about how there are no guns in Scotland and he likes it that way
 
2013-01-18 06:17:33 AM  

cman: thamike: cman: thamike: cman: VarmintCong: cman: I envy you

Trusting those who you do not know implicitly takes balls

So you're saying I shouldn't implicitly trust the guy with the AR-15 strapped to his back?

Trust no one but yourself

What does any of this have to do with trust?

Everything

By entrusting weapons to someone else you take a big defensive tool away. You gotta have trust that when someone breaks in the police will be there.

You're on a completely different level. I meant about this situation. Having to trust that a guy with a rifle at JC Penney is non-threatening is like having to trust that the guy who rubbing my Big Mac on his ass has good hygiene.  Neither guy should even exist, let alone be a necessary existential quandary in my everyday life.

I was replying to orbister's post about how civilized society like Scotland doesn't need guns


Wrong choice of words for me. Fixt
 
2013-01-18 06:20:45 AM  
Well, that's just peachy.

But another rational, law-abiding citizen just happened to lose his gun while patrolling his neighborhood on his Hoveround of Justice...

Link
 
2013-01-18 06:21:26 AM  

moothemagiccow: 6. You guys already have concealed carry, which is frightening enough


Only to you because while people who own and carry guns are accused of being "paranoid", it is people like you who actually are paranoid.

When I lived in an apartment in that grey area between the 'good' part of town and the 'bad' part of town the level of security I felt comfortable with was a locked door and a small baseball bat like club. If I were a small person or a female I might have felt more secure with a deadbolt and a small caliber pistol.

I don't wear a seat belt because its the law or because I'm just absolutely terrified that at ANY MOMENT I could be in a car accident. I wear one because it could happen and it's better to be prepared than not. When I ride my mountain bike, I wear a helmet not because I'm terrified of falling off and hitting my head... If I was, I wouldn't ride the bike, the helmet is there just in case. If I choose to arm myself, it is not because I'm convinced that there are people out to get me, or because I expect to need to take out a mass murdering psycho, it's because I'm prepared on the extremely unlikely off chance that it's needed. Just like the seat belt. Just like the helmet.
 
2013-01-18 06:25:10 AM  
I felt threatened, so stand your ground laws say I can take that gun and blow his brains out. Problem solved. One less douchebag on the planet.
 
2013-01-18 06:27:10 AM  
Why would an obviously paranoid person bother us?

It's as if people thought that mentally ill people were a danger to others or something.
 
2013-01-18 06:27:12 AM  

randomjsa: moothemagiccow: 6. You guys already have concealed carry, which is frightening enough

Only to you because while people who own and carry guns are accused of being "paranoid", it is people like you who actually are paranoid.

When I lived in an apartment in that grey area between the 'good' part of town and the 'bad' part of town the level of security I felt comfortable with was a locked door and a small baseball bat like club. If I were a small person or a female I might have felt more secure with a deadbolt and a small caliber pistol.

I don't wear a seat belt because its the law or because I'm just absolutely terrified that at ANY MOMENT I could be in a car accident. I wear one because it could happen and it's better to be prepared than not. When I ride my mountain bike, I wear a helmet not because I'm terrified of falling off and hitting my head... If I was, I wouldn't ride the bike, the helmet is there just in case. If I choose to arm myself, it is not because I'm convinced that there are people out to get me, or because I expect to need to take out a mass murdering psycho, it's because I'm prepared on the extremely unlikely off chance that it's needed. Just like the seat belt. Just like the helmet.


 Concealed carry, is protection. Open carry of a rifle, is intimidation.
 
2013-01-18 06:27:27 AM  
Covered in someone else's in blood? Probably a nurse.

Walking around with major untreated injuries? Probably an MMA fighter. He's fine.

Carrying a machete with an angry look on their face? Probably just tired from cutting their way though the jungles of Utah to buy milk.

Exchanging powdery white substances for money? Probably just selling laundry detergent.

Some kids video taping themselves driving around shooting people with a paintball gun? I'm sure it's a movie and they have the proper filming license.

We should just ignore everything out of the ordinary because it's probably fine. No one ever has bad intentions when they walk around a public place with an assault rifle.
 
2013-01-18 06:31:54 AM  

assjuice: I felt threatened, so stand your ground laws say I can take that gun and blow his brains out. Problem solved. One less douchebag on the planet.


Troll food... once you take the gun, he is no longer a threat. Enjoy prison.
 
2013-01-18 06:32:16 AM  
"IT"S PERFECTLY LEGAL."


Never makes something inherently moral. It's not right when wall street abuses the imperfection of law and it's not right when turdshiat rednecks do it either.


Trying to scare innocent people does not make you tough. It makes you a paranoid lunatic.
 
2013-01-18 06:33:16 AM  

moothemagiccow: untaken_name: Or do you just hate anyone who's different from you because the tiny little mushy ball of crap that you call a brain can't handle it?

I have reasonable suspicion that the police have passed some kind of course telling them not to murder people. And it's still pretty farking scary.

Oh and 15. He'd be dead if he went into a bank


He wouldn't go into a bank. It is a felony to go into a bank with a firearm and it has been established he's a law abiding citizen. Nice try though. I hope you can sleep after seeing such terrifying images of a person not threatening anyone or breaking any laws.
Do I think it was a great idea? Not really, but people need to calm the f*ck down about "OMG!!! GUNZ!!!"

/If they are only made to kill people, there are 100 million American's that apparently own broken firearms.
 
2013-01-18 06:37:08 AM  
Shows that when people are in a panic, they don't think rationally. If he were carrying a hammer, people wouldn't be upset and more people are murdered with hammers than assault rifles in this country
 
2013-01-18 06:41:00 AM  

zerkalo: 22. High and tight haircut. AR-15 strapped. And you're not overseas serving your country, why?

somethings shoot back


Unless you're suggesting he joins the Peace Corp being overseas has nothing to do with "serving his country."
 
2013-01-18 06:44:26 AM  

fusillade762: Between him and these nitwits

[tribkcpq.files.wordpress.com image 850x478]

Seriously guys, you're not helping your cause.


Not hurting either. Occupy folks caused all kinds of crime, mayhem, money loss to cities, and nobody here whined. They were just using their constitutional rights.

Weird how only your side gets them, huh? Weird how those bastard Tea Party people all uphold the law, and your boys don't huh?
 
2013-01-18 06:45:26 AM  

violentsalvation: GAT_00: Seriously?  This is how we're all supposed to be safe?  Because I don't know about you, but I worry when rifles are casually carried around.  It implies you expect to use it.

Nothing he is doing is safe. If a couple homies rushed him at the counter there they'd take him down and easily make off with his weapons. Take him down, put his own pistol in his face, and take the AR. This guy is a retard and he is making himself a target. This defines irresponsible gun ownership.


My first thought when I saw the headline. Checked the location, and sure enough - bumfark nowhere.
I'd like to see this moron try that here in L.A. He wouldn't last long enough to get arrested.
 
2013-01-18 06:47:31 AM  

IlGreven: Well, that's just peachy.

But another rational, law-abiding citizen just happened to lose his gun while patrolling his neighborhood on his Hoveround of Justice...

Link


If he was carrying an m-16, at least he would have been less likely to lose it.

/unless he was a cop...
/but hopefully their problems will be fixed when they go from 5.56mm to the smaller 9mm rounds.
 
2013-01-18 06:50:55 AM  

James F. Campbell: Befuddled: Let's say I decide to go to the mall. At the same time I'm getting out of my car to walk into the mall I see someone else walking from the parking lot to the mall and he's got a rifle on his shoulder. How am I to know the difference between a bozo who just wants to be an attention whore by walking around with a gun and someone who is intent on killing as many as he can?

THIS. How are we to know?


By the haircut. If the young man looks like either a sheepdog or a girl, he's a murderer. Also, those ear gauges or tattoos will give them away.
 
2013-01-18 06:51:40 AM  
This just in:

A white woman's right to hold a black man's hand does not equal your constitutional right to self-defense.

A woman's right to abort an unborn child does not equal your right to self defense.

Obama's right to "defend" the U.S. from a group of civilian children in physical proximity to al Qaida #2 does not equal your right of self defense.

Despite your right to self defense being the only right specifically outlined in the Bill of Rights in reference to being "necessary for the security of a free State," it is apparently revocable if it makes liberals feel squeemish.
 
2013-01-18 06:55:44 AM  

GAT_00: Fark Me To Tears: GAT_00: Seriously?  This is how we're all supposed to be safe?  Because I don't know about you, but I worry when rifles are casually carried around.  It implies you expect to use it.

Actually, it indicates that the people carrying the rifles take themselves and their role in society way too seriously.  This is what happens when they run too many trailer trash-based "reality" shows on cable TV.

You don't carry a farking rifle around unless you want an excuse to use it.


You continue to show that you are a moran. It's obvious the guy is not looking for an excuse to use it. He is carrying it around to make a political statement and it's in bad taste especially in light of recent events.
 
2013-01-18 06:55:44 AM  
sigh. There are no amounts of facepalms or you'renothelping.jpgs sufficient to post. What farking marshmallowy attention whoring bruttish imp. Seriously. The fact that someone needs to sit him down and explain to him that even if it is technically legal, waddling around the mall with an AR-15 strapped to your back in the midst of a national debate on gun control and mass murders is a BAD IDEA; that someone needs to waste oxygen and contribute to Global Warming by breathing CO2 into the atmosphere; that someone has to tell this troglodyte that his little stunt has all the usefulness of a frozen urineade stand; that someone needs to break it down Barney Style that he is a "Real Amurrican Patriot" in the most sarcastic and embarrassingly juxtaposed kind of way; that someone has to inform him that his little idea is only going to get people that are ideologically on his side to actually defect to the gun control side out of sheer disgust...

That someone has to explain this to him... this is why I am a jaded and cynical asshole who has no passion and don't really care about anything outside of Green Bay Packers football and providing for my family.
 
2013-01-18 06:59:34 AM  
I am a gun owner, a recreational shooter, and a supporter of responsible gun owners. This guy is an jackass attention whore, by his own admission. This taking place in Ogden, Utah is probably why it wasn't blown into a big deal.

CSB, I was in BK one Sunday afternoon and some fugitive recovery types showed up, badges hanging around their necks, thigh holsters, they paraded around the BK letting everybody know they were packing. I finished my meal and left, not afraid of the fire arms, but I was certainly not wanting to be in an environment where those hillbillies felt they had to flaunt their firepower.
 
2013-01-18 07:02:05 AM  

cman: What does any of this have to do with trust?

Everything

By entrusting weapons to someone else you take a big defensive tool away.


If someone wants to hurt you, they don't need to have a gun. They only need to have the initiative. In which case, having a gun yourself isn't going to help you, unless you get very lucky.

cman: Trust no one but yourself


And this is a shiatty way to live, if you can even call it "living".
 
2013-01-18 07:02:21 AM  
I think it's obvious what happened. The guys kept hearing that "guns are designed for killing" and since his gun never killed anyone he was trying to return it because it was defective.
 
2013-01-18 07:03:33 AM  
Call the WAAAAAAmbulance

open carry is legal

Don't care if he's a another fat wannabe with swagger and a mouthful of chew

butthurt farker-I'll never shop there again
...good
 
2013-01-18 07:06:02 AM  

natas6.0: Call the WAAAAAAmbulance

open carry is legal

Don't care if he's a another fat wannabe with swagger and a mouthful of chew

butthurt farker-I'll never shop there again
...good


You sound tough.
 
2013-01-18 07:06:41 AM  

Thunderpipes: fusillade762: Between him and these nitwits

[tribkcpq.files.wordpress.com image 850x478]

Seriously guys, you're not helping your cause.

Not hurting either. Occupy folks caused all kinds of crime, mayhem, money loss to cities, and nobody here whined. They were just using their constitutional rights.

Weird how only your side gets them, huh? Weird how those bastard Tea Party people all uphold the law, and your boys don't huh?


Amount of total damage done:

Banks > Nuts with guns > Occupy
 
2013-01-18 07:07:29 AM  
Come on, people.

Shop smart. Shop S-Mart.

powet.tv
 
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