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2013-01-18 12:07:36 AM  
Decent compilation. I'm especially glad to see that Dredd 3D-arguably the most underappreciated action flick of 2012-gets some love.
 
2013-01-18 12:07:56 AM  
I don't think io9 knows what a "meme" is. The only one of these that had a meme before release was Snakes on a Plane! and I'm pretty sure that it made people go to the movie, and prepared them for exactly what they were getting.

The list is basically 7 crappy movies, Let Me In, Serenity, and Idiocracy.
 
2013-01-18 12:10:42 AM  
I'm really confused as to what the whole point of that article was.

I'm really confused as to what their definition of a meme is.

I'm really confused as to what criteria they used to pick those 10 movies to fit their definition.

I'm confused.

/is 'confused' a meme.
 
2013-01-18 12:12:30 AM  

nmrsnr: I don't think io9 knows what a "meme" is. The only one of these that had a meme before release was Snakes on a Plane! and I'm pretty sure that it made people go to the movie, and prepared them for exactly what they were getting.


Agreed. In this case they seem to be confusing "meme" with "bad/inaccurate press/reviews/word of mouth".


The list is basically 7 crappy movies, Let Me In, Serenity, and Idiocracy.

I liked Scott Pilgrim and Sunshine. But then again I had no real preconceptions about them.
 
2013-01-18 12:13:15 AM  
This article should come with a warning that it contains the phrase "Stallone taint...", I can't shake that image.
 
2013-01-18 12:14:50 AM  
I'm with Calbert. What the heck did I just read? I thought a meme was a LOLs cat or something. How were any of these films wrecked by memes?

Wouldn't it have made more sense to say they were wrecked by bad marketing?
 
2013-01-18 12:16:01 AM  

nmrsnr: I don't think io9 knows what a "meme" is. The only one of these that had a meme before release was Snakes on a Plane! and I'm pretty sure that it made people go to the movie, and prepared them for exactly what they were getting.

The list is basically 7 crappy movies, Let Me In, Serenity, and Idiocracy.


Sunshine and Dredd were pretty awesome movies as well. Scott Pilgrim had it's moments but ultimately fell flat because of Cera.

Well, almost flat:

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/and yes, io9 has no understanding of the meaning of meme
 
2013-01-18 12:18:06 AM  
Push was terrible. Just admit it.

I'm curious to now if Jennifer's Body was actually as good as this writer makes it out to be.

/and wtf, what does meme mean again?
 
2013-01-18 12:22:54 AM  
In this context, meme is being used as it is commonly defined: "an idea, behavior, style, or usage that spreads from person to person within a culture", with emphasis on idea. The article writer probably would have better served by using the word "buzz" instead, but based on the article itself, I'm not certain the writer is competent enough to make that decision.

/I did enjoy a couple of those films a lot more than the buzz about them suggested I would
 
2013-01-18 12:23:06 AM  
Actually, the article has it right. A meme is any idea or message that gets spread from person to person, competing with others to survive and replicate.

The article is about movies that were good, but got doomed by negative groupthink that just got passed along and adopted by people who never bothered to see the movies for themselves.
 
2013-01-18 12:24:02 AM  

fusillade762: I liked Scott Pilgrim and Sunshine. But then again I had no real preconceptions about them.


Haven't seen Sunshine, but I couldn't make it through Scott Pilgrim.

Summoner101: and Dredd were pretty awesome movies as well. Scott Pilgrim had it's moments but ultimately fell flat because of Cera.Well, almost flat:


Haven't seen Dredd either, I heard it wasn't so bad. And that pic is the one saving grace of Scott Pilgrim.

My problem with Scott Pilgrim is that it was so schizophrenic. It just threw things at you regardless of whether it made sense or not, and expected you to appreciate them because it was a reference to something. It was almost like they were trying to be Airplane! in that they didn't care whether a gag actually fit with the scene, but where in Airplane! they only did it if they would get a laugh, Scott Pilgrim just did it because they thought of it. It wasn't funny, it wasn't clever, I got the references, but there was no purpose to them, and the writing was terrible.

/sorry, just watched it like a week ago and haven't had a chance to rant yet.
 
2013-01-18 12:25:24 AM  

Seth'n'Spectrum: I'm curious to now if Jennifer's Body was actually as good as this writer makes it out to be.


It is crazy awesome. Yes, there's a little bit of Diablo Codey over-writing, but it is super crazy awesome.
 
2013-01-18 12:26:08 AM  
What the fark was "Sunshine"?
 
2013-01-18 12:26:58 AM  
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2013-01-18 12:26:58 AM  

SpartacusHobbs: In this context, meme is being used as it is commonly defined: "an idea, behavior, style, or usage that spreads from person to person within a culture", with emphasis on idea. The article writer probably would have better served by using the word "buzz" instead, but based on the article itself, I'm not certain the writer is competent enough to make that decision.

/I did enjoy a couple of those films a lot more than the buzz about them suggested I would


Then they should have said most "under-appreciated" or "maligned" movies. Meme means something on the Internet, those movies mostly didn't have memes.
 
2013-01-18 12:27:02 AM  
It wasn't memes that ruined most of those movies.

And for my money, Sunshine is the best on the list.
 
2013-01-18 12:27:42 AM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: What the fark was "Sunshine"?


Little-seen sci-fi flick from 28 Days director Danny Boyle. Very good, from what I've heard.
 
2013-01-18 12:30:19 AM  
Dredd was hardcore. There was one punch pulled the entire movie, and Urban showed so little on his face that when he /did let the mask crack a little bit so you got a feel for what was inside Dredd, you loved it. You never worried about if he'd win, if he'd make it through, if he wouldn't make it through - you weren't supposed to. You didn't have to. It wasn't a "OMG THE HERO ISNT GONNA MAKE IT" movie.

It was a "I do this then I get a shower and a cup of coffee and see what the drokkers are doing over in the next block" movie. That's it. You got a day in the life for Dredd, headaches and all. The character was the movie, and there's a ton of questions we can ask ourselves about it and the world he's living in.

Plus, the slowmo effects in 3d were jawdroppingily beautiful.


Go buy the DVD.
 
2013-01-18 12:32:13 AM  
io9, on the word meme, you killed my father, prepare to die.

/Oh, wait, wrong meme.
 
2013-01-18 12:35:19 AM  

Apos: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: What the fark was "Sunshine"?

Little-seen sci-fi flick from 28 Days director Danny Boyle. Very good, from what I've heard.


It is very good. Sunshine and Moon were some of the best films to happen to the Sci-Fi genre in the past couple years.
 
2013-01-18 12:37:15 AM  
I thought "Let Me In" was a terrible re-make. The original was unique and had some great scenes. The re-make blew all of the tension from the original, botched the climax scene in the pool and completely omitted the cat-attack storyline, which was one of the the most random and best parts of the original.
 
2013-01-18 12:37:54 AM  

Summoner101: Apos: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: What the fark was "Sunshine"?

Little-seen sci-fi flick from 28 Days director Danny Boyle. Very good, from what I've heard.

It is very good. Sunshine and Moon were some of the best films to happen to the Sci-Fi genre in the past couple years.


I have Moon on DVD. Fantastic directorial debut for Bowie's son.
 
2013-01-18 12:40:57 AM  

marcre3363: I thought "Let Me In" was a terrible re-make. The original was unique and had some great scenes. The re-make blew all of the tension from the original, botched the climax scene in the pool and completely omitted the cat-attack storyline, which was one of the the most random and best parts of the original.


You watched the original first didn't you? I purposefully did it backwards, so I liked both movies.
 
2013-01-18 12:41:50 AM  
I loved Serenity, Sunshine and Scott Pilgrim vs the World. I have not seen the others.

/I am a leaf on the wind, watch me soar
//So if you wake up one morning and it's a particularly beautiful day, you'll know we made it
//Ooo, coins!
 
2013-01-18 12:42:29 AM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: ne"?


Underrated, beautifully scored movie with a strange detour into a horror movie during the third act.
 
2013-01-18 12:42:51 AM  

AkaranD: Dredd was hardcore. There was one punch pulled the entire movie, and Urban showed so little on his face that when he /did let the mask crack a little bit so you got a feel for what was inside Dredd, you loved it. You never worried about if he'd win, if he'd make it through, if he wouldn't make it through - you weren't supposed to. You didn't have to. It wasn't a "OMG THE HERO ISNT GONNA MAKE IT" movie.

It was a "I do this then I get a shower and a cup of coffee and see what the drokkers are doing over in the next block" movie. That's it. You got a day in the life for Dredd, headaches and all. The character was the movie, and there's a ton of questions we can ask ourselves about it and the world he's living in.

Plus, the slowmo effects in 3d were jawdroppingily beautiful.


Go buy the DVD.


amen. it is Dredd. no backstory, no love interest, no snappy one-liners. brutal, primal, forceful.

give it time and it will erase the Stallone stain and it will be the first movie people think of when they they think of the character.

it was extremely loyal to its source. if you've followed the character for the 35 years he's been around, you will be pleasantly rewarded with a ton of references.

If you just know bits and pieces about the character, you will find it an enjoyable, exciting movie.

I'm hoping that for people who just know the Stallone version, that this version will turn them on to the character and that they might seek out some of the trade paperbacks.

there is a history of great story-telling that the Stallone version derailed.

this version corrects that.
 
2013-01-18 12:43:05 AM  
I have no idea why my quotes always get cut off, or why I don't preview comments
 
2013-01-18 12:44:25 AM  
Really expected an article about films that were ruined because they had one or two great lines that your idiot roommate wouldn't stop quoting, so you never ever wanted to see them.
 
2013-01-18 12:44:38 AM  
I'd say IO9 got their as-coined-by-Dawkins definition of meme right. They're saying these preconceptions spread through the community and directed people's thought about the movies. For instance, I personally haven't watched Serenity because I haven't watched Firefly, because I assumed and heard mumblings that one relied on the other.

It's just a self-replicating idea which permeates communities, not just friggin cat pictures.
 
2013-01-18 12:44:52 AM  
Link Sunshine trailer

Link Moon trailer
 
2013-01-18 12:45:02 AM  
"A meme is 'an idea, behavior or style that spreads from person to person within a culture.' A meme acts as a unit for carrying cultural ideas, symbols or practices, which can be transmitted from one mind to another through writing, speech, gestures, rituals or other imitable phenomena. Supporters of the concept regard memes as cultural analogues to genes in that they self-replicate, mutate and respond to selective pressures."

The author of TFA clearly is not aware of this. Neither are most people in this thread, nor for that matter most people on the internet. Nor, for that matter, most people. This should not surprise me as much as it does.
 
2013-01-18 12:47:18 AM  
How does one write for io9 yet not understand what a meme is?
 
2013-01-18 12:47:45 AM  
Did anyone actually know what Idiocracy was to kill it?  I've always been under the impression it became a cult hit.
 
2013-01-18 12:47:53 AM  

nmrsnr: marcre3363: I thought "Let Me In" was a terrible re-make. The original was unique and had some great scenes. The re-make blew all of the tension from the original, botched the climax scene in the pool and completely omitted the cat-attack storyline, which was one of the the most random and best parts of the original.

You watched the original first didn't you? I purposefully did it backwards, so I liked both movies.


If I'd seen the remake first, I might have felt the same way. Most of the movies I watch are background static on a computer monitor while I'm working, so I don't pay that much attention. That one I watched all the way through and was enthralled.

The re-make seemed like a clumsy attempt to re-capture the magic. I couldn't get into it.
 
2013-01-18 12:48:59 AM  
Having seen only Idiocracy from TFA's list I read through, thinking, "Well, that looked bad in the ads, but maybe I should give that achance." Their description of Scott Pilgrim's "meme" is spot-on for me. But then I got to them defending John Carter, which I know is getting Eddie Murphy-esque reviews all around and I just lost all faith in the author.
 
2013-01-18 12:51:36 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: But then I got to them defending John Carter, which I know is getting Eddie Murphy-esque reviews all around and I just lost all faith in the author.


And yet it was a fun, entertaining popcorn movie.
 
2013-01-18 12:52:01 AM  
1. John Carter was really good and Lynn Collins is smoking hot.

2. Dredd was a really good action movie with very dark undertones. I really enjoyed it.

3. Jennifer's Body was a pretty good horror flick considering some of the stinkers that have been produced lately.

4. I have no idea what that article was trying to say so....

cdn2-b.examiner.com
 
2013-01-18 12:52:28 AM  

ilikeracecars: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: ne"?

Underrated, beautifully scored movie with a strange detour into a horror movie during the third act.


Yeah, the way it turned into a slasher flick at the end was kinda jarring. Still enjoyed it, though. The moral questions they have to grapple with before that are pretty intense.


marcre3363: I thought "Let Me In" was a terrible re-make. The original was unique and had some great scenes. The re-make blew all of the tension from the original, botched the climax scene in the pool and completely omitted the cat-attack storyline, which was one of the the most random and best parts of the original.


Haven't seen the remake but the cat scene was definitely a serious WTF??? moment for me. Seemed like it barged in from a completely different movie.
 
2013-01-18 12:54:07 AM  

GAT_00: Did anyone actually know what Idiocracy was to kill it?  I've always been under the impression it became a cult hit.


Like with Office Space, Fox didn't promote it or release it to but a handful of theaters. Mike Judge just cannot catch a break.
 
2013-01-18 12:54:56 AM  

dictyboy: This article should come with a warning that it contains the phrase "Stallone taint...", I can't shake that image.


It never comes off.
 
2013-01-18 01:00:27 AM  
Well, they pretty much nailed why I didn't want to see "Scott Pilgrim". People at work were talking about whether they spotted every video game reference in the movie, thanksbutnothanks. But I haven't seen it, so ... maybe it isn't a dreary 90 minute pop-culture-reference-marathon?

I did see John Carter. Yes, it's every bit as pointless and boring as the reviews say.

I liked Serenity, and have only ever seen one episode of "Firefly".
 
2013-01-18 01:01:47 AM  

dictyboy: This article should come with a warning that it contains the phrase "Stallone taint...", I can't shake that image.


i.ytimg.com
"Let it go. Let. It. Go."
 
2013-01-18 01:03:36 AM  
never quite got the Stallone taint off

Maybe if you tickle it a little. And don't be afraid to use the pinky.
 
2013-01-18 01:03:39 AM  

StopLurkListen: Well, they pretty much nailed why I didn't want to see "Scott Pilgrim". People at work were talking about whether they spotted every video game reference in the movie, thanksbutnothanks. But I haven't seen it, so ... maybe it isn't a dreary 90 minute pop-culture-reference-marathon?

I did see John Carter. Yes, it's every bit as pointless and boring as the reviews say.

I liked Serenity, and have only ever seen one episode of "Firefly".



I guess this just shows how subjective this topic is. I really enjoyed John Carter.
 
2013-01-18 01:04:24 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: GAT_00: Did anyone actually know what Idiocracy was to kill it?  I've always been under the impression it became a cult hit.

Like with Office Space, Fox didn't promote it or release it to but a handful of theaters. Mike Judge just cannot catch a break.


Fox wanted to drown Idocracy in a bath tub. They had a contractual obligation to release it into a minimum number of US theaters, and they congratulated themselves on a drowning well done.
 
2013-01-18 01:04:49 AM  

Summoner101: Apos: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: What the fark was "Sunshine"?

Little-seen sci-fi flick from 28 Days director Danny Boyle. Very good, from what I've heard.

It is very good. Sunshine and Moon were some of the best films to happen to the Sci-Fi genre in the past couple years.


Agreed. I want to see more movies like those two come out.
 
2013-01-18 01:05:46 AM  
The first 3/4 of Sunshine was great. Then it became a regular monster movie.
 
2013-01-18 01:09:09 AM  

Seth'n'Spectrum: I'm curious to now if Jennifer's Body was actually as good as this writer makes it out to be.

/and wtf, what does meme mean again?


It gets a lot of hate because Megan Fox and Diablo Cody get a lot of hate. I have my doubts if most of the people that bag on it have even seen the movie. If you go in objectively, it's worth it. It's not a life-changer or anything, but it's actually pretty damn good. Plenty of humor and a nice commentary on the unfortunate nature of many teenage relationships.
 
2013-01-18 01:10:17 AM  
Sunshine is amazing right up until the moment it sucks. Actually, the suck has grown on me after repeat viewings. But I was pretty annoyed the first couple times.

That's how amazing the first 2/3s are. I hated the last 3rd and kept watching it until it grew on me.
 
2013-01-18 01:10:29 AM  

Harry_Seldon: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: GAT_00: Did anyone actually know what Idiocracy was to kill it?  I've always been under the impression it became a cult hit.

Like with Office Space, Fox didn't promote it or release it to but a handful of theaters. Mike Judge just cannot catch a break.

Fox wanted to drown Idocracy in a bath tub. They had a contractual obligation to release it into a minimum number of US theaters, and they congratulated themselves on a drowning well done.


I think I remember seeing maybe two trailers for Office Space on TV, and none for Idiocracy back when they came out. I'd agree with your assessment.
 
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