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2013-01-17 07:57:24 PM
In August, the Justice Department released a letter of findings charging that the police in Meridian routinely arrested children at schools without probable cause, merely on the referral of school personnel. The letter found that students had been incarcerated for "dress code violations, flatulence, profanity and disrespect."

Any takers on the race of the majority of these kids?
 
2013-01-17 07:58:20 PM
0.tqn.com

You'll never catch us, coppers!
 
2013-01-17 08:04:40 PM
It's all that southern-fried food. Think how bad it would get if they didn't jail the obvious offenders.
 
2013-01-17 08:04:55 PM
From the PDF:
Mississippi's Black students are hit the hardest by harsh discipline practices. Statewide, they are three times more likely to receive
an out-of-school suspension than their White peers, with an even greater disparity in some school districts.16 In Lawrence County,
for example, Black students are eight times more likely to receive an out-of-school suspension than White students


and

Black students are disproportionately affected by harsh discipline policies and practices in Mississippi. According to data gathered on 115 Mississippi school districts by the U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights (OCR) in its Civil Rights Data Collection for the 2009-2010 school year, Black students, who made up half the student population in these districts, received almost 75% of the out-of-school suspensions in these districts, making them over three times more likely than White students to receive an out-of-school suspension.

Black students are often treated differently than White students who exhibit similar behavior. National research on student behavior has found that racial disparities in school discipline are not the result of Black students acting out more; rather the differences lie in how adults in the school building respond to student behavior. Broad, discretionary offense categories like "disorderly conduct," "disrespect of authority," or "disobedience" are mainly in the eye of the beholder, leaving significant room for implicit and explicit racial biases to creep into the discipline process and exacerbate disparities.60 This fact was also highlighted during interviews with multiple Mississippi students about their schools.


F(ck the Deep South.
 
2013-01-17 08:05:07 PM
...like the five year-old who was sent home in a police car for "violating dress code" for not having black shoes, even though his mom had tried to color his shoes with a black marker.

fark Mississippi.

That is all.
 
2013-01-17 08:07:53 PM
Given this, it is no surprise that not only are Black students suspended, expelled, and arrested at school at rates higher than their White peers, but too often these punishments are for behavior that does not merit the severity of the disciplinary response. The stories that illustrate this, highlighted in the introduction to this report, are heartbreaking. In Holmes County a five-year-old Black child was escorted home in a sheriff car for the dress code violation of wearing shoes with some red and white symbols on them, where the dress code required solid black shoes. In Southaven, in response to an argument between three students on a school bus, police officers reportedly arrested a half dozen Black students, choked and tackled a Black female student, and threatened to shoot the other students on the bus.

We should spend more time fixing our nation and not building/destroying others.
 
2013-01-17 08:09:23 PM
Has anyone said "F*ck Mississippi" yet?
 
2013-01-17 08:13:39 PM
Let me take a wild guess--the prisons there are for-profit.

/too lazy to google right now
//Mississippi is farked already
///Moved away, shook dust from feet, have not looked back
 
2013-01-17 08:13:55 PM
The South is great, it's the white Southerners that fark it up.
 
2013-01-17 08:14:05 PM

Nadie_AZ: F(ck the Deep South.


To be honest I find these people anything but deep,  These are the sort of people that read the Sunday comics with a yellow highlighter in case they stumble across a particularly meaningful passage in Beetle Bailey.
                            --Dennis Miller (before he went crazy)
 
2013-01-17 08:14:52 PM
This is buried in the Main Page. It should have gone to Politics. This sh*t is the result of racial politics that the South has turned to since they lost the Civil War and their 'peculiar institution'.
 
2013-01-17 08:15:06 PM
am i arrested i s s i p p i
 
2013-01-17 08:16:25 PM
Link


relevant
 
2013-01-17 08:22:21 PM

Nadie_AZ: This is buried in the Main Page. It should have gone to Politics. This sh*t is the result of racial politics that the South has turned to since they lost the Civil War and their 'peculiar institution'.


Chick-fil-A?
 
2013-01-17 08:22:30 PM

Sister Hand Grenade of Quiet Reflection: Let me take a wild guess--the prisons there are for-profit.


Looks that way. FTC: Mississippi has for profit juvenile prisons. Schools and judges send minors to prison for anything to increase the profits of the prison company and for the kickbacks/bribes they get in return.
 
2013-01-17 08:23:05 PM
I wonder what the reason is behind doing this? There seems to be no real benefit to anyone by locking these kids up at such an early age.
 
2013-01-17 08:27:28 PM
Oh yeah? I fart in your general directi- Oh gawd, y'all don't tase me bro!

**ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZRK!**

There once was a student named Bart
Suspended from school for a fart
He leaned to one side
And tooted with pride
His head now has a permanent part
 
2013-01-17 08:27:31 PM

crazydave023: I wonder what the reason is behind doing this? There seems to be no real benefit to anyone by locking these kids up at such an early age.


Hm. 2 things.

1.  You start out in 1954 by saying, "N***, n***, n***." By 1968 you can't say "n***"-that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states' rights, and all that stuff, and you're getting so abstract. Now, you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.... "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "N***, n***."

-Lee Atwater, describing the Republican Southern Strategy

2.  After years of widespread violence and sexual abuse at Mississippi's for-profit prison for juvenile offenders, state officials and civil rights groups signed aimed at overhauling a facility described by a federal judge as "a cesspool of unconstitutional and inhuman acts."

So ... race and money.
 
2013-01-17 08:27:35 PM

crazydave023: I wonder what the reason is behind doing this? There seems to be no real benefit to anyone by locking these kids up at such an early age.


For-profit juvenile jails. And they're just black kids. They'll end up behind bars eventually - might as well make some money off 'em.

/no I don't think this
//Mississippi school officials do, though
 
2013-01-17 08:28:22 PM
Someone need to face a nice long jail sentence for this.
 
2013-01-17 08:32:02 PM

grimlock1972: Someone need to face a nice long jail sentence for this.


But no one will. They'll get new jobs and more money.
 
2013-01-17 08:33:23 PM

Ennuipoet: Nadie_AZ: F(ck the Deep South.

To be honest I find these people anything but deep,  These are the sort of people that read the Sunday comics with a yellow highlighter in case they stumble across a particularly meaningful passage in Beetle Bailey.
                            --Dennis Miller (before he went crazy)


This has come up in many FARK threads, but we should have let them go back in 1861...IMHO.
 
2013-01-17 08:33:38 PM

dookdookdook: ...like the five year-old who was sent home in a police car for "violating dress code" for not having black shoes, even though his mom had tried to color his shoes with a black marker.

fark Mississippi.

That is all.


I would bet outrageous sums of money that the child in question is black.
 
2013-01-17 08:33:45 PM

grimlock1972: Someone need to face a nice long jail sentence for this.


He would have, but the judge agreed to reduce the sentence to time served if he agreed to apologize and give back the lunch money.
 
2013-01-17 08:33:55 PM
FTFA: A new report from the Advancement Project, a civil rights group, says that Mississippi's school's place kids in a "pipeline to prison,"

Educated in Mississippi, I see.

i30.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-17 08:35:38 PM

Nadie_AZ: From the PDF:
Mississippi's Black students are hit the hardest by harsh discipline practices. Statewide, they are three times more likely to receive
an out-of-school suspension than their White peers, with an even greater disparity in some school districts.16 In Lawrence County,
for example, Black students are eight times more likely to receive an out-of-school suspension than White students

and

Black students are disproportionately affected by harsh discipline policies and practices in Mississippi. According to data gathered on 115 Mississippi school districts by the U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights (OCR) in its Civil Rights Data Collection for the 2009-2010 school year, Black students, who made up half the student population in these districts, received almost 75% of the out-of-school suspensions in these districts, making them over three times more likely than White students to receive an out-of-school suspension.

Black students are often treated differently than White students who exhibit similar behavior. National research on student behavior has found that racial disparities in school discipline are not the result of Black students acting out more; rather the differences lie in how adults in the school building respond to student behavior. Broad, discretionary offense categories like "disorderly conduct," "disrespect of authority," or "disobedience" are mainly in the eye of the beholder, leaving significant room for implicit and explicit racial biases to creep into the discipline process and exacerbate disparities.60 This fact was also highlighted during interviews with multiple Mississippi students about their schools.

F(ck the Deep South.


Yes because Arizona, the state that gave America Joe Arpiao (again) and Jan Brewer can teach the Deep South a thing or two about racial tolerance. Seriously, at least get rid if Arpiao and his posses before you wag your fingers at the South. Seeriously, Arizona is a farking joke on its best day.
 
2013-01-17 08:36:40 PM

namegoeshere: crazydave023: I wonder what the reason is behind doing this? There seems to be no real benefit to anyone by locking these kids up at such an early age.

For-profit juvenile jails. And they're just black kids. They'll end up behind bars eventually - might as well make some money off 'em.

/no I don't think this
//Mississippi school officials do, though


Plus once you have a criminal record, it's harder to get a decent job or exercise your right to vote.
 
2013-01-17 08:37:14 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: Ennuipoet: Nadie_AZ: F(ck the Deep South.

To be honest I find these people anything but deep,  These are the sort of people that read the Sunday comics with a yellow highlighter in case they stumble across a particularly meaningful passage in Beetle Bailey.
                            --Dennis Miller (before he went crazy)

This has come up in many FARK threads, but we should have let them go back in 1861...IMHO.


And just let them keep slavery going? How would that have played out?
 
2013-01-17 08:38:41 PM

cmb53208: Yes because Arizona, the state that gave America Joe Arpiao (again) and Jan Brewer can teach the Deep South a thing or two about racial tolerance. Seriously, at least get rid if Arpiao and his posses before you wag your fingers at the South. Seeriously, Arizona is a farking joke on its best day.


Arizona will eventually relearn and become the Border State is has always been. The influx of newbies from the Midwest and other locations has lowered our collective IQ on state history and place. Once everyone either learns it or figures it out, we'll drop these idiots and move on.

But yes, we've excelled at derp over the last few decades.

The Deep South as it in its DNA.
 
2013-01-17 08:40:02 PM

Nadie_AZ: Any takers on the race of the majority of these kids?


human. they were human kids. the last time i saw a talking goat i was on LSD so I know that wasn't real.
 
2013-01-17 08:40:44 PM
Weapons of ass destruction
 
2013-01-17 08:40:49 PM
img703.imageshack.us
 
2013-01-17 08:41:27 PM
School = Prison
 
2013-01-17 08:41:29 PM

Nadie_AZ: cmb53208: Yes because Arizona, the state that gave America Joe Arpiao (again) and Jan Brewer can teach the Deep South a thing or two about racial tolerance. Seriously, at least get rid if Arpiao and his posses before you wag your fingers at the South. Seeriously, Arizona is a farking joke on its best day.

Arizona will eventually relearn and become the Border State is has always been. The influx of newbies from the Midwest and other locations has lowered our collective IQ on state history and place. Once everyone either learns it or figures it out, we'll drop these idiots and move on.

But yes, we've excelled at derp over the last few decades.

The Deep South as it in its DNA.


Your state is being overrun with old people, a la Sun City.  Until the Baby Boomers die, bigotry will dominate it.
 
2013-01-17 08:41:57 PM

Hagbardr: Weapons of ass destruction


Assault with a silent-but-deadly weapon!
 
2013-01-17 08:42:15 PM
So I see Carlton Lassiter has moved to Mississippi.
 
2013-01-17 08:43:52 PM

GAT_00: Nadie_AZ: cmb53208: Yes because Arizona, the state that gave America Joe Arpiao (again) and Jan Brewer can teach the Deep South a thing or two about racial tolerance. Seriously, at least get rid if Arpiao and his posses before you wag your fingers at the South. Seeriously, Arizona is a farking joke on its best day.

Arizona will eventually relearn and become the Border State is has always been. The influx of newbies from the Midwest and other locations has lowered our collective IQ on state history and place. Once everyone either learns it or figures it out, we'll drop these idiots and move on.

But yes, we've excelled at derp over the last few decades.

The Deep South as it in its DNA.

Your state is being overrun with old people, a la Sun City.  Until the Baby Boomers die, bigotry will dominate it.


I can't really argue that point, either.
 
2013-01-17 08:44:12 PM

grimlock1972: Someone need to face a nice long jail sentence for this.


Why? They're already giving them the gas.
 
2013-01-17 08:44:16 PM

utah dude: Nadie_AZ: Any takers on the race of the majority of these kids?

human. they were human kids. the last time i saw a talking goat i was on LSD so I know that wasn't real.


What if the talking goat is real and everything else is a hallucination caused by a lack of LSD?
 
2013-01-17 08:44:39 PM

LazerFish: School = Prison


graduate school = supermax solitary
 
2013-01-17 08:46:11 PM
Seriously? I'm the Weeners this?

images4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-01-17 08:46:59 PM
So, does it mean that Michael Jackson's "smooth criminal" song is about a guy who farts in Mississippi without anyone noticing?
 
2013-01-17 08:47:56 PM
What are the odds that a for-profit prison is involved somewhere along the chain here?
 
2013-01-17 08:49:27 PM

Nadie_AZ:
Any takers on the race of the majority of these kids?


hi yeller?
 
2013-01-17 08:49:52 PM
So, black kid farting = dangerous risk to society

White guy selling gun to felon = exercise of 2nd amendment rights

/ stay classy 'murrica
 
2013-01-17 08:51:29 PM
Calm down people. It probably smelled really bad. A guy I knew in high school got suspended for tossing a stink bomb in the hallways. Basically the same thing..the kid needs to learn to hold the fart until it either goes away or he can fart in the hallway and blame it on someone else.
 
2013-01-17 08:52:22 PM

Nadie_AZ: In August, the Justice Department released a letter of findings charging that the police in Meridian routinely arrested children at schools without probable cause, merely on the referral of school personnel. The letter found that students had been incarcerated for "dress code violations, flatulence, profanity and disrespect."

Any takers on the race of the majority of these kids?



It's Meridian . . . their race is the same as the majority of the faculty and administration.


/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meridian,_Mississippi#Demographics
 
2013-01-17 08:53:18 PM

Nadie_AZ: F(ck the Deep South.


Stop moving down here. Thanks!
 
2013-01-17 08:55:17 PM

Nadie_AZ: In August, the Justice Department released a letter of findings charging that the police in Meridian routinely arrested children at schools without probable cause, merely on the referral of school personnel. The letter found that students had been incarcerated for "dress code violations, flatulence, profanity and disrespect."

Any takers on the race of the majority of these kids?


I'd bet a lot are black kids. The racism part kind of clues you on that one.

Good friend of mine is in the Atlanta metro area. She's black. Her daughter goes to school with Bevhioral plans and IEP's etc. The school resource officer decides to lean on my friends daughter. What he didn't know is that my friend works for an organization that ripped the cop a new one. Ooops!
 
2013-01-17 08:56:03 PM
"like the five year-old who was sent home in a police car for "violating dress code" for not having black shoes, even though his mom had tried to color his shoes with a black marker."

As a mother, heck as a human OMG! Poor kid, literally most likely.
 
2013-01-17 08:56:24 PM
Do they also cut your hands off if you've stolen some bread?
 
2013-01-17 08:57:31 PM

Nadie_AZ: F(ck the Deep South.


Done and done. What else can you do with idiots?
 
2013-01-17 08:57:55 PM
img507.imageshack.us

YOU!

SHALL NOT!

PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASS GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS!
 
2013-01-17 08:58:32 PM

miss diminutive: Nadie_AZ: This is buried in the Main Page. It should have gone to Politics. This sh*t is the result of racial politics that the South has turned to since they lost the Civil War and their 'peculiar institution'.

Chick-fil-A?



Nice.
 
2013-01-17 08:59:01 PM

LeafyGreens: Nadie_AZ: F(ck the Deep South.

Stop moving down here. Thanks!


Lol, perfect comment and Fark handle for this thread.
 
2013-01-17 08:59:17 PM

Gilligann: Do they also cut your hands off if you've stolen some bread?


Nope, that's a cavity search to find the bread.
 
2013-01-17 09:00:22 PM
I live in New York, and there was a kid from down the street that used to wander up to my yard and scream obscenities at my kids, he threw rocks at my new car in my driveway, he beat the crap out of my son for a football, and beat the crap out of one of my sons friends and stole his bike, and when I called the cops they said there was nothing they could do because he was only 14.

WTFark? Clearly Mississippi and New York are in completely different countries.
 
2013-01-17 09:06:36 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com
Hold on now. just hold on one dang minute. We're nice here, in Mississippi. Mississippi friendly.
We leave the ropes at home now.
 
2013-01-17 09:07:35 PM

Ennuipoet: Nadie_AZ: F(ck the Deep South.

To be honest I find these people anything but deep,  These are the sort of people that read the Sunday comics with a yellow highlighter in case they stumble across a particularly meaningful passage in Beetle Bailey.
                            --Dennis Miller (before he went crazy)


Those were the days.

I loved you, Dennis. How could you get so greedy/stupid?


/farking pussy
 
2013-01-17 09:08:35 PM
Are people born racist or is it a choice they make? I'm starting to think its the former. I hope no one proves that because then you'll have people campaigning for racists' rights.
 
2013-01-17 09:09:52 PM
Cue the Mississippi hate. For all of you saying "fark mississippi", "fark the deep south" and "southern whites are the ones that fark things up", I highly suggest you move to Mississippi for a bit. Racial politics are played so hard by both sides that they frequently cut to the bone. You'll fit right in with the angry racists of all stripes that we have, and whatever side you favor, you'll have at least 50% of the population that agrees with you.

This makes me very, very angry. It shouldn't happen, and those involved should be penalized with the loss of their wealth and freedoms.

That said, if you haven't lived in the deep south, you probably don't understand the intractable problems that Mississippi faces in today's society. You think - "oh, if only those confederate loving, gun toting, bible thumping whites weren't so racist all of the problems would magically go away." It's not that simple. And if you think it is, you are part of the problem.
 
2013-01-17 09:10:50 PM
I live in Mississippi, about 10 minutes from Memphis. We aren't all racist, ignorant jackasses.
 
2013-01-17 09:12:42 PM
If flatulence was illegal I would top every "Most Wanted" list in every nation in the world.

/Crohn's Disease and developing some kind of weird food intolerance
//it's not pretty
 
2013-01-17 09:12:43 PM
Here's to the schools of Mississippi
Where they're teaching all the children that they don't have to care
All of rudiments of hatred are present everywhere
And every single classroom is a factory of despair
There's nobody learning such a foreign word as fair
Oh, here's to the land you've torn out the heart of
Mississippi find yourself another country to be part of

/For Underheath her borders, the devil draws no lines,
The calender is lyin' when it reads the present time.
//RIP Phil Ochs
 
2013-01-17 09:16:22 PM

Jument: If flatulence was illegal I would top every "Most Wanted" list in every nation in the world.

/Crohn's Disease and developing some kind of weird food intolerance
//it's not pretty


For you. Now available in school colors.
 
2013-01-17 09:19:43 PM
Jail for black kids who fart in the South and a slap on the wrist for HSBC execs who laundered BILLIONS of dollars for drug cartels and terrorists.

Just another day in America.
 
2013-01-17 09:23:29 PM
Why do we let these people breed?
 
2013-01-17 09:24:35 PM

namegoeshere: crazydave023: I wonder what the reason is behind doing this? There seems to be no real benefit to anyone by locking these kids up at such an early age.

For-profit juvenile jails. And they're just black kids. They'll end up behind bars eventually - might as well make some money off 'em.

/no I don't think this
//Mississippi school officials do, though


You hit it right on and there is no one to defend these people. This is incarceration for profit at it's finest and most vulnerable. I am ashamed to be an American citizen sometimes.
 
2013-01-17 09:26:08 PM

Elegy: Cue the Mississippi hate. For all of you saying "fark mississippi", "fark the deep south" and "southern whites are the ones that fark things up", I highly suggest you move to Mississippi for a bit. Racial politics are played so hard by both sides that they frequently cut to the bone. You'll fit right in with the angry racists of all stripes that we have, and whatever side you favor, you'll have at least 50% of the population that agrees with you.

This makes me very, very angry. It shouldn't happen, and those involved should be penalized with the loss of their wealth and freedoms.

That said, if you haven't lived in the deep south, you probably don't understand the intractable problems that Mississippi faces in today's society. You think - "oh, if only those confederate loving, gun toting, bible thumping whites weren't so racist all of the problems would magically go away." It's not that simple. And if you think it is, you are part of the problem.


I have grown up in the deep south and I know what you mean. I have witnessed the racism being proudly displayed by all types. Although, it isn't just the deep south that pull this crap. I see it in Flint and Detroit as well. It is different by having more people accepting other people as fellow human beings than the south, but there are people who like to exploit the differences. It takes everyone to rid themselves of the distrust they have for everyone different before anything will change. I had a coworker that didn't trust any of us at first because he stuck out, but when time passed he realized we liked him just fine. Give everyone a chance for if they mess up, you have time later to not like them.

/racism doesn't always wave a confederate flag
 
2013-01-17 09:26:57 PM
Once again, I'm wondering if we ended Reconstruction several generations too soon.
 
2013-01-17 09:27:32 PM
i30.photobucket.com

/someone's getting `ripped' off
 
2013-01-17 09:37:30 PM
Nina Simone is just as relevant today as she was 48 years ago...
Mississippi Goddam
 
2013-01-17 09:40:21 PM

lack of warmth: Elegy: Cue the Mississippi hate. For all of you saying "fark mississippi", "fark the deep south" and "southern whites are the ones that fark things up", I highly suggest you move to Mississippi for a bit. Racial politics are played so hard by both sides that they frequently cut to the bone. You'll fit right in with the angry racists of all stripes that we have, and whatever side you favor, you'll have at least 50% of the population that agrees with you.

This makes me very, very angry. It shouldn't happen, and those involved should be penalized with the loss of their wealth and freedoms.

That said, if you haven't lived in the deep south, you probably don't understand the intractable problems that Mississippi faces in today's society. You think - "oh, if only those confederate loving, gun toting, bible thumping whites weren't so racist all of the problems would magically go away." It's not that simple. And if you think it is, you are part of the problem.

I have grown up in the deep south and I know what you mean. I have witnessed the racism being proudly displayed by all types. Although, it isn't just the deep south that pull this crap. I see it in Flint and Detroit as well. It is different by having more people accepting other people as fellow human beings than the south, but there are people who like to exploit the differences. It takes everyone to rid themselves of the distrust they have for everyone different before anything will change. I had a coworker that didn't trust any of us at first because he stuck out, but when time passed he realized we liked him just fine. Give everyone a chance for if they mess up, you have time later to not like them.

/racism doesn't always wave a confederate flag


The deep South and Detroit are incredibly racist places.  The South is at least a bit more polite about it. Your coworker knew what they were up against. You might also like to rid yourself of your upbringing and attitudes. Blaming "them" for the way they are treated isn't helping.
 
2013-01-17 09:43:55 PM

anuran: Nina Simone is just as relevant today as she was 48 years ago...
Mississippi Goddam


anuran: Nina Simone is just as relevant today as she was 48 years ago...
Mississippi Goddam


Nina is always relevant.
 
2013-01-17 09:47:03 PM

anuran: Nina Simone is just as relevant today as she was 48 years ago...
Mississippi Goddam


great song, great post. +1 Internets for you.

and hopefully some day Ol Miss will have enough sober, educated and enlightened adults that they can vote a better class of scumbag administrators and politicians into office to lead the way.

it pisses me off how little is united in the United States. for such conditions to exist in 2013 is nothing shy of shameful sin.
 
2013-01-17 09:54:46 PM
I lived in Biloxi (Ocean Springs) for years. Awesome school district (no snark, it was actually excellent). I got in all sorts of good, clean trouble on the beaches and sneaking into the casinos. I guess the coast of Mississippi is much better, but this would only be an assumption. I would move back there in a heartbeat.

Still wtf, Miss'ippi? STAHP.
 
2013-01-17 10:01:01 PM

lack of warmth: Elegy: Cue the Mississippi hate. For all of you saying "fark mississippi", "fark the deep south" and "southern whites are the ones that fark things up", I highly suggest you move to Mississippi for a bit. Racial politics are played so hard by both sides that they frequently cut to the bone. You'll fit right in with the angry racists of all stripes that we have, and whatever side you favor, you'll have at least 50% of the population that agrees with you.

This makes me very, very angry. It shouldn't happen, and those involved should be penalized with the loss of their wealth and freedoms.

That said, if you haven't lived in the deep south, you probably don't understand the intractable problems that Mississippi faces in today's society. You think - "oh, if only those confederate loving, gun toting, bible thumping whites weren't so racist all of the problems would magically go away." It's not that simple. And if you think it is, you are part of the problem.

I have grown up in the deep south and I know what you mean. I have witnessed the racism being proudly displayed by all types. Although, it isn't just the deep south that pull this crap. I see it in Flint and Detroit as well. It is different by having more people accepting other people as fellow human beings than the south, but there are people who like to exploit the differences. It takes everyone to rid themselves of the distrust they have for everyone different before anything will change. I had a coworker that didn't trust any of us at first because he stuck out, but when time passed he realized we liked him just fine. Give everyone a chance for if they mess up, you have time later to not like them.

/racism doesn't always wave a confederate flag


Why did your co-worker not trust you "at first because he stuck out?"

Was he really tall? Red hair? Missing a limb? Wore a Jonas Brothers concert t-shirt on casual Friday?
 
2013-01-17 10:01:10 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: [img507.imageshack.us image 550x256]

YOU!

SHALL NOT!

PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASS GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS!


The Balrog can light its farts without having to use a lighter.

Bet you with you had that ability.
 
2013-01-17 10:03:24 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Balrog can light its farts without having to use a lighter.


These are not happy times for M. Bison.
 
2013-01-17 10:14:27 PM
Elegy...Thank you...I was on my way to login to say the exact same thing. I've just returned to Mississippi from Canada after my six year Katrina tantrum. Instead of damning this place, please come and help. Snarking online doesn't help anyone. This state isn't any more or less racist than any other. There is, however, a deeply entrenched conservative regime using socio-economic repression to maintain its majority...and it isn't about RACE. I live on the Coast, famously hated by the rest of the state for being the den of gambling and drinking and all other vice (and a bunch of immigrants and Catholics). Nevermind the fact that those casinos and tourist activities provided the majority of the economy for the entire state. Do you know what they did to us after Katrina? Hell, how many of you even realize we were hit by Katrina? They punished us good and it was universal, not racial. Now they can keep us in line. Things are impossible to change, despite the best of intentions and the actual percentage of reasonable people. By all means be horrified by the way Mississippi operates, but do not blame the entire population. Pro-actively help us to oust this regime. Help us to align our government with the rest of the nation. I honestly feel like I've moved to a developing nation here at great personal expense. Help me be part of the solution or just hush up. How can we even come to you for help when the universal perception of us is so unreasonable and unjust? How can we overcome this regime and your hatred?

/thoughts of Charlie Chaplin
//not always a bleeding heart
 
2013-01-17 10:15:44 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: [img507.imageshack.us image 550x256]

YOU!

SHALL NOT!

PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASS GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS!

The Balrog can light its farts without having to use a lighter.

Bet you with you had that ability.


I jutht with I could thop lithping.
 
2013-01-17 10:17:13 PM

AbbeySomeone: Blaming "them" for the way they are treated isn't helping.


I saw lack of warmth's story not as an attempt to cast blame, but more of a touching story about overcoming racial reticence through an honest attempt at getting to know another person. Cross-racial friendships are entirely possible in the south, but that doesn't mean that they aren't initially difficult because of a degree of wariness on the part of all the participants.

Romanticizing "them" isn't helping, either. You're implying that discrimination in the south only works one way, and that somehow all of the racial tension or racism is the fault of whites only. This is demonstrably not the case, and it is a big part of that whole "intractable problems with Mississippi that sadly will never be solved in my lifetime."

For example, spatial segregation is the status quo down here, and it is strictly enforced by both sides. Hell, come visit. I'll take you home to see my family. If you're white, we'll take a walk through some towns in the delta, or downtown Crackson (Jackson). Assuming we don't get assaulted or arrested for being white in a black area, you'll get the point inside 10 minutes. If you're black, it'll be like an interracial comedy team - we can go to the white areas and watch everyone call the police on you for being black, and we can go to the black areas and watch me get beat up for being white. If you're asian or other, it could be fun too, but mostly because you'll confuse the shiat out of everyone, as those groups make up a vanishingly small portion of the population.

This is why I say Mississippi's problems are intractable. If it was only one group's problem, then outside intervention (i.e. the federal governement) could step in and fix it fairly quickly.  But it's not, and casting it in that light only obscures the problem and makes it harder to fix.
 
2013-01-17 10:18:10 PM
If their parents weren't feeding them bean pies, ribs, chicken and chitlins they wouldn't have had the flatulence to begin with...

Das Raciss I know
 
2013-01-17 10:26:25 PM
 
2013-01-17 10:27:31 PM

AbbeySomeone: The deep South and Detroit are incredibly racist places.  The South is at least a bit more polite about it. Your coworker knew what they were up against. You might also like to rid yourself of your upbringing and attitudes. Blaming "them" for the way they are treated isn't helping.


My coworker had simply assumed as you are assuming a lot about me now. What "them" do you think I am blaming? I don't care what color a racist is when a racist acts stupid, it bothers me. If you are suggesting some racist should be given a free pass because other folks treated them bad first, then that is part of the problem. No matter why hatred and distrust is instilled in someone, it is not right to mistreat someone else based on that prejudice. I have had people tell me racist jokes, thinking I would laugh. I have had people treat me like crap, because they thought I was racist. I have had racist slurs thrown at me. I have already lived multiple sides of this issue and I will not assume anything about anybody, till I meet them. Stop assuming about me till you meet me.
 
2013-01-17 10:28:35 PM

take_flight: I live in New York, and there was a kid from down the street that used to wander up to my yard and scream obscenities at my kids, he threw rocks at my new car in my driveway, he beat the crap out of my son for a football, and beat the crap out of one of my sons friends and stole his bike, and when I called the cops they said there was nothing they could do because he was only 14.

WTFark? Clearly Mississippi and New York are in completely different countries.


Some one beat the crap out of your kid and your response was to make a phone call?

This is why normal people get concerned when New Yorkers start having opinions on how the rest of us protect our families.

Nevermind Mississippi is a third world hell hole as well. New York is just a different kind of third world hell hole.
 
2013-01-17 10:36:34 PM

KangTheMad: Keizer_Ghidorah: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: [img507.imageshack.us image 550x256]

YOU!

SHALL NOT!

PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASS GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS!

The Balrog can light its farts without having to use a lighter.

Bet you with you had that ability.

I jutht with I could thop lithping.


Shaddup your face.
 
2013-01-17 10:38:16 PM

Nadie_AZ: F(ck the Deep South.


Sorry to dispel your bigotry, but it's not just the "deep south". Try deep California.

Link

Pointing fingers and spewing hate adds to the problem. Try not being a hateful bigot yourself before pointing fingers at someone else. mkay?
 
2013-01-17 10:56:44 PM
Am I the only one wondering where the details of the farting case is? I see a line from the author...

Woke up, went to school, went to jail for farting. Mississippi, goddamn.

Ok. And another kid who violated dress code and was sent home in a police car. Possibly because of lack of transportation, no school bus is going to take him home. But oh well, let's all start frothing at the mouth.
 
2013-01-17 11:00:01 PM

part of the problem: take_flight: I live in New York, and there was a kid from down the street that used to wander up to my yard and scream obscenities at my kids, he threw rocks at my new car in my driveway, he beat the crap out of my son for a football, and beat the crap out of one of my sons friends and stole his bike, and when I called the cops they said there was nothing they could do because he was only 14.

WTFark? Clearly Mississippi and New York are in completely different countries.

Some one beat the crap out of your kid and your response was to make a phone call?

This is why normal people get concerned when New Yorkers start having opinions on how the rest of us protect our families.

Nevermind Mississippi is a third world hell hole as well. New York is just a different kind of third world hell hole.


I think assault on one's child warrants a phone call to the cops, no?  It's not like they called Oprah or something.  Even if the 14-year-0ld beat the piss out of your child, beating the piss out of that kid will just land you in a shiat-ton of trouble.  I mean, that was what you were suggesting, right?  If it was a grown adult that did it.....yeah, I could see the visceral reaction to assault them back, but a minor?  I'd cover my ass and call the po-po.
 
2013-01-17 11:03:54 PM
For-profit prisons should be immediately banned.  It's just too great a temptation for sleazy judges and legislators to send more people to prison for stupid reasons to get those sweet, sweet kickbacks.  It's an invitation to corruption and massive civil rights violations.
 
2013-01-17 11:05:02 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Nadie_AZ: F(ck the Deep South.

Sorry to dispel your bigotry, but it's not just the "deep south". Try deep California.

Link

Pointing fingers and spewing hate adds to the problem. Try not being a hateful bigot yourself before pointing fingers at someone else. mkay?


So you're upset because he only mentioned one place where this occurs and because "Stop being bigoted towards bigotry!"?
 
2013-01-17 11:07:03 PM
Fark has had so many thread that leave me thanking and praising Biki that I live in the Bay area.
This is one of them.

\A big chunk of the others are threads involving cycling.
 
2013-01-17 11:10:21 PM

trappedspirit: Am I the only one wondering where the details of the farting case is? I see a line from the author...

Woke up, went to school, went to jail for farting. Mississippi, goddamn.

Ok. And another kid who violated dress code and was sent home in a police car. Possibly because of lack of transportation, no school bus is going to take him home. But oh well, let's all start frothing at the mouth.


The fact he was sent home because of his freaking shoes shows how far these idiots have fallen, not to mention wasting the time of a police officer by making him play taxi. Of course, someone who thinks pointing out obvious stupidity = "frothing at the mouth" likely has a hard time thinking clearly about things.
 
2013-01-17 11:13:41 PM
I recently took a job in GA. Coming from NE i have to say "Wow, the south its a very strange place!"

We had a plan that i would commute on the weekends until we could sell our house etc. After being there for a month or so it became very clear that there was no way that was going to happen. I was so happy when another position in the NE came my way. I took a cut in pay but at least its not the south.
 
2013-01-17 11:17:27 PM

jake_lex: For-profit prisons should be immediately banned.  It's just too great a temptation for sleazy judges and legislators to send more people to prison for stupid reasons to get those sweet, sweet kickbacks.  It's an invitation to corruption and massive civil rights violations.


b...b...but free market!
 
2013-01-17 11:17:39 PM

KangTheMad: So I see Carlton Lassiter has moved to Mississippi.


That's not fair. He'd lock up all races equally and for far less heinous 'crimes'.
 
2013-01-17 11:19:01 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: So you're upset because he only mentioned one place where this occurs and because "Stop being bigoted towards bigotry!"?


I wasn't upset. Just hoping to dispel the blatant bigotry. On the other hand, you sound quite upset that I pointed out it's not just the deep south though, which is curious.

Singling out one group is pretty misleading yes. It's like saying "Gays should stop spreading aids so much." When it's not just a gay problem.
 
2013-01-17 11:26:18 PM
Fark needs a Mississippi tag, end of story.
 
2013-01-17 11:30:42 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: The fact he was sent home because of his freaking shoes shows how far these idiots have fallen, not to mention wasting the time of a police officer by making him play taxi. Of course, someone who thinks pointing out obvious stupidity = "frothing at the mouth" likely has a hard time thinking clearly about things.


I was talking about the comments in this thread. But thanks for the insult.
 
2013-01-17 11:31:58 PM
The state with four eyes that can't see...
 
2013-01-17 11:35:55 PM
 
2013-01-17 11:40:24 PM

Elegy: That said, if you haven't lived in the deep south, you probably don't understand the intractable problems that Mississippi faces in today's society. You think - "oh, if only those confederate loving, gun toting, bible thumping whites weren't so racist all of the problems would magically go away." It's not that simple. And if you think it is, you are part of the problem.


False premise. The complaint is not "Racism is the cause of all problems". The complaint is "Institutional racism is a huge problem", so yes, if the institutions weren't so racist, that particular problem would go away. It's more than stating the obvious. It's worth pointing out that 60 years ago the entire country was like that and we've made a fair amount of progress. The deep south can and should aspire to keep up.
 
2013-01-17 11:45:50 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Keizer_Ghidorah: So you're upset because he only mentioned one place where this occurs and because "Stop being bigoted towards bigotry!"?

I wasn't upset. Just hoping to dispel the blatant bigotry. On the other hand, you sound quite upset that I pointed out it's not just the deep south though, which is curious.

Singling out one group is pretty misleading yes. It's like saying "Gays should stop spreading aids so much." When it's not just a gay problem.


I was pointing out how you were seemingly complaining about no one mentioning other areas of the country. How you got "me being upset" from it, I have no earthly idea. Also, talking about the place where it's most prevalent =/= denying it occurs elsewhere, how your mind jumps to that conclusion I also have no idea.

trappedspirit: Keizer_Ghidorah: The fact he was sent home because of his freaking shoes shows how far these idiots have fallen, not to mention wasting the time of a police officer by making him play taxi. Of course, someone who thinks pointing out obvious stupidity = "frothing at the mouth" likely has a hard time thinking clearly about things.

I was talking about the comments in this thread. But thanks for the insult.


I figured that, since you, you know, said we're all "frothing at the mouth" about this. Your first couple of sentences I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say, because they're kind of random.
 
2013-01-17 11:49:36 PM

part of the problem: take_flight: I live in New York, and there was a kid from down the street that used to wander up to my yard and scream obscenities at my kids, he threw rocks at my new car in my driveway, he beat the crap out of my son for a football, and beat the crap out of one of my sons friends and stole his bike, and when I called the cops they said there was nothing they could do because he was only 14.

WTFark? Clearly Mississippi and New York are in completely different countries.

Some one beat the crap out of your kid and your response was to make a phone call?

This is why normal people get concerned when New Yorkers start having opinions on how the rest of us protect our families.

Nevermind Mississippi is a third world hell hole as well. New York is just a different kind of third world hell hole.


So you would have went out and found the 14 year old and kicked his ass? I hope the other people from where you are from don't think like you.
 
2013-01-17 11:51:21 PM
Are people born racist or is it a choice they make? I'm starting to think its the former. I hope no one proves that because then you'll have people campaigning for racists' rights.

Neither. People are taught to be racist as small children. What you learn as a small child sticks with you more that what you learn at later times. My grandmother was taught that black people were that color because they never washed, and thus were dirty. As an adult she knew that black people washed, but still believed that they were somehow dirty. When your parent only points out the injustice done to your race and glosses over the injustices that your race perpetrates, then you will most likely grow up to be a racist.
 
2013-01-17 11:59:44 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: I figured that, since you, you know, said we're all "frothing at the mouth" about this. Your first couple of sentences I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say, because they're kind of random.


I'm guessing that you parse a "Fluck Mississippi" post and other things just confuse you?
 
2013-01-18 12:04:33 AM

trappedspirit: Keizer_Ghidorah: I figured that, since you, you know, said we're all "frothing at the mouth" about this. Your first couple of sentences I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say, because they're kind of random.

I'm guessing that you parse a "Fluck Mississippi" post and other things just confuse you?


So you agreed with everyone, then said everyone was frothing at the mouth. Then you wonder why I'm confused by what you're saying.
 
2013-01-18 12:08:40 AM

Hagbardr: Weapons of ass destruction


red5ish: [img703.imageshack.us image 450x353]


Couldn't be timed better.
 
2013-01-18 12:10:23 AM

NotARocketScientist: Are people born racist or is it a choice they make? I'm starting to think its the former. I hope no one proves that because then you'll have people campaigning for racists' rights.

Neither. People are taught to be racist as small children. What you learn as a small child sticks with you more that what you learn at later times. My grandmother was taught that black people were that color because they never washed, and thus were dirty. As an adult she knew that black people washed, but still believed that they were somehow dirty. When your parent only points out the injustice done to your race and glosses over the injustices that your race perpetrates, then you will most likely grow up to be a racist.


Sigh.  This.  You can fight back against it if you were raised with it, and you can certainly acquire it.  But taught as a small child is the hardest to deal with as an adult.

I have a coworker who's pretty awesome as a person, but has said certain things apparently without realizing, in the slightest, that it's pretty effing offensive.  If I sit her down and walk her through *why* it is, then she'll usually get it... but if anyone brings it up immediately afterward she gets incredibly pissed off and flustered and turns it into a "you're just attacking me, I have a valid point, statistically Asians are worse drivers" thing.  Grew up in a tiny rural Michigan town.

She's a good person, fairly intelligent, and her (actual) best friends are racial/religious/orientation minorities.  But damn, I can't imagine what kind of upbringing you would have to have to end up with a complete lack of knowledge and awareness.  It's frightening. She's a little more aware of it now (partly because I've flat out told her that's one of the main reasons she hasn't been promoted) but that took a stupidly long time.
 
2013-01-18 12:16:04 AM

LindenFark: It's worth pointing out that 60 years ago the entire country was like that and we've made a fair amount of progress. The deep south can and should aspire to keep up.


Unfortunately, the entire country is still like that. A little googling for shows articles about all states. Here's one about Seattle. Link

A nationwide report on the subject from the DOE shows that blacks are disproportionately subject to disciplinary measures about almost double their proportion of the population. Hispanics and whites are disciplined at about their proportion in the population and, interestingly, asians are disciplined the least.
 
2013-01-18 12:19:27 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: trappedspirit: Keizer_Ghidorah: I figured that, since you, you know, said we're all "frothing at the mouth" about this. Your first couple of sentences I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say, because they're kind of random.

I'm guessing that you parse a "Fluck Mississippi" post and other things just confuse you?

So you agreed with everyone, then said everyone was frothing at the mouth. Then you wonder why I'm confused by what you're saying.


Perhaps you could first explain how I have "agreed with everyone" and then we could proceed from that as a starting point for a discussion, as I am not understanding that statement.
 
2013-01-18 12:30:36 AM

trappedspirit: Keizer_Ghidorah: trappedspirit: Keizer_Ghidorah: I figured that, since you, you know, said we're all "frothing at the mouth" about this. Your first couple of sentences I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say, because they're kind of random.

I'm guessing that you parse a "Fluck Mississippi" post and other things just confuse you?

So you agreed with everyone, then said everyone was frothing at the mouth. Then you wonder why I'm confused by what you're saying.

Perhaps you could first explain how I have "agreed with everyone" and then we could proceed from that as a starting point for a discussion, as I am not understanding that statement.


From your Boobies:

trappedspirit: Am I the only one wondering where the details of the farting case is? I see a line from the author...

Woke up, went to school, went to jail for farting. Mississippi, goddamn.

That's a little hard to understand. Then in the next part you're calling everyone who points out the stupidity of having a little kid sent home in a police cruiser because his shoes weren't to dress code "frothing at the mouth".

 
2013-01-18 12:42:54 AM

jake_lex: For-profit prisons should be immediately banned.  It's just too great a temptation for sleazy judges and legislators to send more people to prison for stupid reasons to get those sweet, sweet kickbacks.  It's an invitation to corruption and massive civil rights violations.


Some judges in Pennsylvania already got sent up to PMITA prison for that very same thing, so Lord knows how many other times this has happened in other places.
 
2013-01-18 12:51:48 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Keizer_Ghidorah:


It appears that the only point you are making here is that "From your Boobies". I presume you are having a hard time at correctly annotating your posts and quotes and that last line was not supposed to be in italics. If you would care to point out where I accuse or even imply that people talking about the cruiser ride was frothing at the mouth, then I would attempt, one again, to point you to the "fluck mississippi" posts, or variants thereof. Your last correspondence seemed to lack in any evidence what-so-ever that I first "ageed with everone" and went on to condemn everyone. Perhaps you could clarify that one, single, solitary point. Or say you just misspoke about that point and get to the point you are really interested in.
 
2013-01-18 01:13:58 AM

Nadie_AZ: This is buried in the Main Page. It should have gone to Politics. This sh*t is the result of racial politics that the South has turned to since they lost the Civil War and their 'peculiar institution'.


I wouldn't say the South has turned to these, they were deeply ingrained way before the Civil War even started. Still, the article doesn't specifically mention race. But I wouldn't be surprised if that were really the issue.
 
2013-01-18 01:19:27 AM

namegoeshere: Sister Hand Grenade of Quiet Reflection: Let me take a wild guess--the prisons there are for-profit.


Looks that way. FTC: Mississippi has for profit juvenile prisons. Schools and judges send minors to prison for anything to increase the profits of the prison company and for the kickbacks/bribes they get in return.


Imagine.

But I suspect that is merely a charming by-product of a system that was already in place--in other words, Mis'ippi was jailing kids long before someone got the bright idea of creating for-profit prisons especially for juveniles and turning a quick buck off them. That merely accelerated the process, I'm sure. Nobody down there is smart enough to create the prisons first and THEN start jailing kids.
 
2013-01-18 01:25:17 AM

LindenFark: Elegy: That said, if you haven't lived in the deep south, you probably don't understand the intractable problems that Mississippi faces in today's society. You think - "oh, if only those confederate loving, gun toting, bible thumping whites weren't so racist all of the problems would magically go away." It's not that simple. And if you think it is, you are part of the problem.

False premise. The complaint is not "Racism is the cause of all problems". The complaint is "Institutional racism is a huge problem", so yes, if the institutions weren't so racist, that particular problem would go away. It's more than stating the obvious. It's worth pointing out that 60 years ago the entire country was like that and we've made a fair amount of progress. The deep south can and should aspire to keep up.


What institutions are racist?
 
2013-01-18 01:27:59 AM
Farting is now illegal? Now I can never leave the house.
 
2013-01-18 01:28:45 AM

Elegy: Cue the Mississippi hate. For all of you saying "fark mississippi", "fark the deep south" and "southern whites are the ones that fark things up", I highly suggest you move to Mississippi for a bit. Racial politics are played so hard by both sides that they frequently cut to the bone. You'll fit right in with the angry racists of all stripes that we have, and whatever side you favor, you'll have at least 50% of the population that agrees with you.

This makes me very, very angry. It shouldn't happen, and those involved should be penalized with the loss of their wealth and freedoms.

That said, if you haven't lived in the deep south, you probably don't understand the intractable problems that Mississippi faces in today's society. You think - "oh, if only those confederate loving, gun toting, bible thumping whites weren't so racist all of the problems would magically go away." It's not that simple. And if you think it is, you are part of the problem.


So you're suggesting that both sides are bad...
 
2013-01-18 01:38:25 AM

LindenFark: False premise. The complaint is not "Racism is the cause of all problems". The complaint is "Institutional racism is a huge problem", so yes, if the institutions weren't so racist, that particular problem would go away. It's more than stating the obvious. It's worth pointing out that 60 years ago the entire country was like that and we've made a fair amount of progress. The deep south can and should aspire to keep up.


How is it a false premise to say that Farkers who post drivel insinuating that all of Mississippi's problems stem from good-ole-boy-racism not only misunderstand the problem, but are actually part of the problem? That was a comment directed to other commenters here, not at TFA, which seems to be where you're pointing.

Now, to address the substance of your post, yes, institutional racism is a huge problem here, as it is everywhere, and no, racism is not the cause of ALL of Mississippi's problems. What I'm trying to point out is that "stating the obvious", as you want to do, ignores quite a bit of the reality on the ground. It is much, much more complicated than simple institutional racism of whites directed against blacks, or casual racism of whites directed against blacks, or even the reverse racism of blacks against whites (which exists in as much abundance as the other). What I am trying to point out is that there are many intractable problems that make simple solutions a lie.

And believe it or not blacks have made great strides in Mississippi in the past 60 years, particularly in civic life - judges, mayors, police chiefs, other elected officials - and particularly in predominantly black communities (i.e. a plurality of the state).

Again, it is more complicated here than you have been led to believe.

Now, look. I can see it in your head. You're picturing a set of officials that look and talk like Haley Barbour, thundering "I say I say I say boy you goin' to jail!" at some poor, innocent black child. But what do you do when the "institutional racism" you speak of is predominantly run by the black community itself?

Here is the school board of Meridian's public school system (3 of 5, 2 did not have pictures on the website)

President
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Vice President
s8.postimage.org

Secretary
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Superintendent
s1.postimage.org

Have a look at the juvenile judges:
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Notice there's only one that fits the stereotypical image that would go along with institutional racism in Mississippi (the white judge). Heck, the white chick is the secretary for christ sakes.

So you tell me: what now? The school-to-jail pipeline sentancing innocent black children to jail - and I do believe such a thing exists - is being overseen by a predominantly black administrative and judicial crew. I would be willing to bet a significant portion of the teachers and principals are black as well, given Meridian is predominantly black.

Where is your cut and dried institutional racism now?  In this case, where is Mississippi's "failure to keep up", as you put it, when the majority of the educational administrators in Meridian are themselves black?
 
2013-01-18 01:41:44 AM

Elegy: LindenFark: False premise. The complaint is not "Racism is the cause of all problems". The complaint is "Institutional racism is a huge problem", so yes, if the institutions weren't so racist, that particular problem would go away. It's more than stating the obvious. It's worth pointing out that 60 years ago the entire country was like that and we've made a fair amount of progress. The deep south can and should aspire to keep up.

How is it a false premise to say that Farkers who post drivel insinuating that all of Mississippi's problems stem from good-ole-boy-racism not only misunderstand the problem, but are actually part of the problem? That was a comment directed to other commenters here, not at TFA, which seems to be where you're pointing.

Now, to address the substance of your post, yes, institutional racism is a huge problem here, as it is everywhere, and no, racism is not the cause of ALL of Mississippi's problems. What I'm trying to point out is that "stating the obvious", as you want to do, ignores quite a bit of the reality on the ground. It is much, much more complicated than simple institutional racism of whites directed against blacks, or casual racism of whites directed against blacks, or even the reverse racism of blacks against whites (which exists in as much abundance as the other). What I am trying to point out is that there are many intractable problems that make simple solutions a lie.

And believe it or not blacks have made great strides in Mississippi in the past 60 years, particularly in civic life - judges, mayors, police chiefs, other elected officials - and particularly in predominantly black communities (i.e. a plurality of the state).

Again, it is more complicated here than you have been led to believe.

Now, look. I can see it in your head. You're picturing a set of officials that look and talk like Haley Barbour, thundering "I say I say I say boy you goin' to jail!" at some poor, innocent black child. But what do you do when the "inst ...


They're not interested in reality. They're interested in demonizing and prejudging other people based on arbitrary characteristics like the region that they're from. Sounds an awful lot like the racism they claim to despise, don't it? : )
 
2013-01-18 01:42:01 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Keizer_Ghidorah: So you're upset because he only mentioned one place where this occurs and because "Stop being bigoted towards bigotry!"?

I wasn't upset. Just hoping to dispel the blatant bigotry. On the other hand, you sound quite upset that I pointed out it's not just the deep south though, which is curious.

Singling out one group is pretty misleading yes. It's like saying "Gays should stop spreading aids so much." When it's not just a gay problem.


The deep south gets singled out because the problem there is much more prevalent, and the problem is institutionalized like nowhere else in the U.S.
 
2013-01-18 01:43:53 AM

Abacus9:
The deep south gets singled out because the problem there is much more prevalent, and the problem is institutionalized like nowhere else in the U.S.


Neat opinion. Shame that's it's flat out false.
 
2013-01-18 01:51:42 AM
FTA: '...Mississippi's school's place kids in a "pipeline to prison..." '

That's some fine punctuation, there, Lou.
 
2013-01-18 01:56:47 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Elegy: LindenFark: False premise. The complaint is not "Racism is the cause of all problems". The complaint is "Institutional racism is a huge problem", so yes, if the institutions weren't so racist, that particular problem would go away. It's more than stating the obvious. It's worth pointing out that 60 years ago the entire country was like that and we've made a fair amount of progress. The deep south can and should aspire to keep up.

How is it a false premise to say that Farkers who post drivel insinuating that all of Mississippi's problems stem from good-ole-boy-racism not only misunderstand the problem, but are actually part of the problem? That was a comment directed to other commenters here, not at TFA, which seems to be where you're pointing.

Now, to address the substance of your post, yes, institutional racism is a huge problem here, as it is everywhere, and no, racism is not the cause of ALL of Mississippi's problems. What I'm trying to point out is that "stating the obvious", as you want to do, ignores quite a bit of the reality on the ground. It is much, much more complicated than simple institutional racism of whites directed against blacks, or casual racism of whites directed against blacks, or even the reverse racism of blacks against whites (which exists in as much abundance as the other). What I am trying to point out is that there are many intractable problems that make simple solutions a lie.

And believe it or not blacks have made great strides in Mississippi in the past 60 years, particularly in civic life - judges, mayors, police chiefs, other elected officials - and particularly in predominantly black communities (i.e. a plurality of the state).

Again, it is more complicated here than you have been led to believe.

Now, look. I can see it in your head. You're picturing a set of officials that look and talk like Haley Barbour, thundering "I say I say I say boy you goin' to jail!" at some poor, innocent black child. But what do you do when the "inst ...

They're not interested in reality. They're interested in demonizing and prejudging other people based on arbitrary characteristics like the region that they're from. Sounds an awful lot like the racism they claim to despise, don't it? : )


B-b-but I thought Fark was a veritable utopia of intelligent, thoughtful liberalism where new ideas were discussed openly with love and tolerance?

/Heh, I learned that one on my first day, Dow
//btw Iove your work here, keep at it
 
2013-01-18 02:03:06 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Abacus9:
The deep south gets singled out because the problem there is much more prevalent, and the problem is institutionalized like nowhere else in the U.S.

Neat opinion. Shame that's it's flat out false.


In what way is it false? We don't roll that way in the north.
 
2013-01-18 02:13:08 AM

Abacus9: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Abacus9:
The deep south gets singled out because the problem there is much more prevalent, and the problem is institutionalized like nowhere else in the U.S.

Neat opinion. Shame that's it's flat out false.

In what way is it false? We don't roll that way in the north.


Nope, no evidence of a greater degree of institutional racism in the north. Absolutely none at all. Nothing to see here folks, move it along.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-18 02:15:05 AM

Elegy: So you tell me: what now? The school-to-jail pipeline sentancing innocent black children to jail - and I do believe such a thing exists - is being overseen by a predominantly black administrative and judicial crew. I would be willing to bet a significant portion of the teachers and principals are black as well, given Meridian is predominantly black.

Where is your cut and dried institutional racism now? In this case, where is Mississippi's "failure to keep up", as you put it, when the majority of the educational administrators in Meridian are themselves black?


Is it your contention, then, that the only racism is white-on-black racism? And that therefore if black administrators and black judges are sentencing black kids to jail it is de facto NOT racism? It would only be racist if white judges were doing the sentencing; or if the blacks were predominately sentencing white (or Hispanic) students?

I take it you've never heard of the concept of "house n*gger", then. Or are unaware of the complex interrelation of racism in the deep South, where blacks who have been fortunate enough to rise into white society have to act extra white to maintain their place, even to the extent of beating up on their own kind. Or heard a black man called an "Uncle Tom." Have you heard of the ugly phenomenon of black-on-black racism, and intra-racial classism?

Just because the majority of educational administrators are black, as you say, does not mean they're going to be making life easier for black kids. They may even be making things worse, for any of the reasons I've given above; or even other reasons. They may not be from Meridian, for instance, and may not be tolerant of regional differences. They may have an outsider's contempt for the local "black trash", even as whites from outside areas have contempt for the local white trash. It's just as racist to see black individuals in positions of power and think "They can't be racist, they're all black!" you know, as to see white people picking on black people and call it racism.
 
2013-01-18 02:23:25 AM

Gyrfalcon: Elegy: So you tell me: what now? The school-to-jail pipeline sentancing innocent black children to jail - and I do believe such a thing exists - is being overseen by a predominantly black administrative and judicial crew. I would be willing to bet a significant portion of the teachers and principals are black as well, given Meridian is predominantly black.

Where is your cut and dried institutional racism now? In this case, where is Mississippi's "failure to keep up", as you put it, when the majority of the educational administrators in Meridian are themselves black?

Is it your contention, then, that the only racism is white-on-black racism? And that therefore if black administrators and black judges are sentencing black kids to jail it is de facto NOT racism? It would only be racist if white judges were doing the sentencing; or if the blacks were predominately sentencing white (or Hispanic) students?

I take it you've never heard of the concept of "house n*gger", then. Or are unaware of the complex interrelation of racism in the deep South, where blacks who have been fortunate enough to rise into white society have to act extra white to maintain their place, even to the extent of beating up on their own kind. Or heard a black man called an "Uncle Tom." Have you heard of the ugly phenomenon of black-on-black racism, and intra-racial classism?

Just because the majority of educational administrators are black, as you say, does not mean they're going to be making life easier for black kids. They may even be making things worse, for any of the reasons I've given above; or even other reasons. They may not be from Meridian, for instance, and may not be tolerant of regional differences. They may have an outsider's contempt for the local "black trash", even as whites from outside areas have contempt for the local white trash. It's just as racist to see black individuals in positions of power and think "They can't be racist, they're all black!" you know, as to see white people picking on black people and call it racism.


That wasn't my contention - it's quite real and it happens all the time. My point was that "good ole boy racism" is not the entire story when it comes to the South, and that it is more complicated than you think, and that it is a multifaceted, intractable problem that I don't expect to see resolved in my lifetime precisely because it is so multifaceted and difficult.

In fact, you've brought up a great example of why the problem of racism is the south is even more complicated than it appears on the surface.

But read my farking posts again, because Jeebus you seem to have a reading comprehension problem. I said repeatedly that blacks can be and are every bit as racists as whites in the south, multiple times, and yes that includes to each other.

Why the fark are you on the attack? I think we're on the same side here...

/night all have to be up in 5 hours
//it's been fun debating as always
 
2013-01-18 02:23:58 AM

Abacus9: The deep south gets singled out because the problem there is much more prevalent, and the problem is institutionalized like nowhere else in the U.S.


The south gets singled out because that is a convenient political scapegoat for bigots and racists who desperately want to pretend the exact same problem doesn't happen is a problem in their home state. But it does - and that is a fact. I don't think it absolves anyone to say "But you discriminate against 14% of students and I only discriminate against 12%" Seriously? That's like rapists arguing over who rapes less people. They're both serial rapists.

The people pointing fingers at the "deep south" here are trying to hide and defend the problem elsewhere. They are literally defenders of institutionalized racism by denying it happens. Yes, that is a fact.

/true progressive liberal here who would like to see the problem addressed honestly
 
2013-01-18 02:37:05 AM

Elegy: but I thought Fark was a veritable utopia of intelligent, thought


Have you *been* to the rest of the internet and read their comments and threads? By comparison we are friggin Mensa! But less pretentious, and funnier.
 
2013-01-18 02:41:57 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Abacus9: The deep south gets singled out because the problem there is much more prevalent, and the problem is institutionalized like nowhere else in the U.S.

The south gets singled out because that is a convenient political scapegoat for bigots and racists who desperately want to pretend the exact same problem doesn't happen is a problem in their home state. But it does - and that is a fact. I don't think it absolves anyone to say "But you discriminate against 14% of students and I only discriminate against 12%" Seriously? That's like rapists arguing over who rapes less people. They're both serial rapists.

The people pointing fingers at the "deep south" here are trying to hide and defend the problem elsewhere. They are literally defenders of institutionalized racism by denying it happens. Yes, that is a fact.

/true progressive liberal here who would like to see the problem addressed honestly


Of course it happens everywhere, but it's not institutional. That is, when someone is caught discriminating against students here, to use your example, they are fired. It is against the policy of every business, school, and governmental entity. Whereas in parts of the South, discrimination is actually encouraged and put into law in some cases.
 
2013-01-18 02:43:28 AM

Gyrfalcon: Elegy: So you tell me: what now? The school-to-jail pipeline sentancing innocent black children to jail - and I do believe such a thing exists - is being overseen by a predominantly black administrative and judicial crew. I would be willing to bet a significant portion of the teachers and principals are black as well, given Meridian is predominantly black.

Where is your cut and dried institutional racism now? In this case, where is Mississippi's "failure to keep up", as you put it, when the majority of the educational administrators in Meridian are themselves black?

Is it your contention, then, that the only racism is white-on-black racism? And that therefore if black administrators and black judges are sentencing black kids to jail it is de facto NOT racism? It would only be racist if white judges were doing the sentencing; or if the blacks were predominately sentencing white (or Hispanic) students?

I take it you've never heard of the concept of "house n*gger", then. Or are unaware of the complex interrelation of racism in the deep South, where blacks who have been fortunate enough to rise into white society have to act extra white to maintain their place, even to the extent of beating up on their own kind. Or heard a black man called an "Uncle Tom." Have you heard of the ugly phenomenon of black-on-black racism, and intra-racial classism?

Just because the majority of educational administrators are black, as you say, does not mean they're going to be making life easier for black kids. They may even be making things worse, for any of the reasons I've given above; or even other reasons. They may not be from Meridian, for instance, and may not be tolerant of regional differences. They may have an outsider's contempt for the local "black trash", even as whites from outside areas have contempt for the local white trash. It's just as racist to see black individuals in positions of power and think "They can't be racist, they're all black!" you know, as to see white pe ...


There's another possible explanation, which bears out with anecdotes of my friends' upbringings -- it's possible black people discipline children more harshly than white people do. Maybe that is a result of the pressures and expectations of institutionalized racism, or maybe a large part of the black population has internalized negative stereotypes. Of course it could be something else entirely. It could be some people who get kickbacks from the for-profit prison system also have something to do with school funding. It could be that the farting kid was a huge jerk every day, had many referrals, and someone in a position of power just got sick of it. It could be that everyone (including black people) are racist against black people.

Safe bet: This pattern isn't caused by any one single problem.
 
2013-01-18 02:50:53 AM

Abacus9: That is, when someone is caught discriminating against students here, to use your example, they are fired. It is against the policy of every business, school, and governmental entity.


What I would like to see is for you, and the people like you, to stop pulling anecdotes like this out of nowhere. For example, okay here we have a story about one city. But this becomes a generalization about "the south" to bigots. A region of 100 million people. I suppose if I read a story about detroit then I can make that generalization about "the north" correct? No, because that would make me an ignorant bigot too.
 
2013-01-18 03:11:05 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Abacus9: That is, when someone is caught discriminating against students here, to use your example, they are fired. It is against the policy of every business, school, and governmental entity.

What I would like to see is for you, and the people like you, to stop pulling anecdotes like this out of nowhere. For example, okay here we have a story about one city. But this becomes a generalization about "the south" to bigots. A region of 100 million people. I suppose if I read a story about detroit then I can make that generalization about "the north" correct? No, because that would make me an ignorant bigot too.


Are you denying that this is a uniquely Southern problem, or are you saying it doesn't happen? Also, what "anecdote" did I pull from nowhere?
 
2013-01-18 03:20:56 AM

Abacus9: Are you denying that this is a uniquely Southern problem


From the links I already posted. California has a far worse disciplinary action disparity than Mississippi.

"In San Francisco, where African American students compose 11.9 percent of the total enrollment, they accounted for 42.5 percent of out-of-school suspensions and 60 percent of all expulsions"

Notice those ratios are much worse than in this article about Mississippi. In fact California makes Mississippi seem like a bastion of equality.
 
2013-01-18 03:25:01 AM

Abacus9: ThrobblefootSpectre: Abacus9: The deep south gets singled out because the problem there is much more prevalent, and the problem is institutionalized like nowhere else in the U.S.

The south gets singled out because that is a convenient political scapegoat for bigots and racists who desperately want to pretend the exact same problem doesn't happen is a problem in their home state. But it does - and that is a fact. I don't think it absolves anyone to say "But you discriminate against 14% of students and I only discriminate against 12%" Seriously? That's like rapists arguing over who rapes less people. They're both serial rapists.

The people pointing fingers at the "deep south" here are trying to hide and defend the problem elsewhere. They are literally defenders of institutionalized racism by denying it happens. Yes, that is a fact.

/true progressive liberal here who would like to see the problem addressed honestly

Of course it happens everywhere, but it's not institutional. That is, when someone is caught discriminating against students here, to use your example, they are fired. It is against the policy of every business, school, and governmental entity. Whereas in parts of the South, discrimination is actually encouraged and put into law in some cases.


Not so. I've lived all over the country (military brat, then military myself) and the only difference is that white people in the south are more honest about being racist, and people in the north seem to think that only white people are racist.
 
2013-01-18 03:33:41 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Abacus9: Are you denying that this is a uniquely Southern problem

From the links I already posted. California has a far worse disciplinary action disparity than Mississippi.

Not systemically.

"In San Francisco, where African American students compose 11.9 percent of the total enrollment, they accounted for 42.5 percent of out-of-school suspensions and 60 percent of all expulsions"

Notice those ratios are much worse than in this article about Mississippi. In fact California makes Mississippi seem like a bastion of equality.

hahahahahahahahaha

 
2013-01-18 03:36:33 AM

DrPainMD: Abacus9: ThrobblefootSpectre: Abacus9: The deep south gets singled out because the problem there is much more prevalent, and the problem is institutionalized like nowhere else in the U.S.

The south gets singled out because that is a convenient political scapegoat for bigots and racists who desperately want to pretend the exact same problem doesn't happen is a problem in their home state. But it does - and that is a fact. I don't think it absolves anyone to say "But you discriminate against 14% of students and I only discriminate against 12%" Seriously? That's like rapists arguing over who rapes less people. They're both serial rapists.

The people pointing fingers at the "deep south" here are trying to hide and defend the problem elsewhere. They are literally defenders of institutionalized racism by denying it happens. Yes, that is a fact.

/true progressive liberal here who would like to see the problem addressed honestly

Of course it happens everywhere, but it's not institutional. That is, when someone is caught discriminating against students here, to use your example, they are fired. It is against the policy of every business, school, and governmental entity. Whereas in parts of the South, discrimination is actually encouraged and put into law in some cases.

Not so. I've lived all over the country (military brat, then military myself) and the only difference is that white people in the south are more honest about being racist, and people in the north seem to think that only white people are racist.


That's sort of what I was saying. Not that northerners can't be racist, just that they're not proud of it like in the south. And that the south actually is so honest about it that they incorporate it into their institutions.
 
2013-01-18 04:34:09 AM
I deserved jail time for some of my beefs.
 
2013-01-18 04:44:24 AM

Insatiable Jesus: Jail for black kids who fart in the South and a slap on the wrist for HSBC execs who laundered BILLIONS of dollars for drug cartels and terrorists.


They've been in that business since they opened in 1865.
(Opium in those days, and the terror of the British Empire)
 
2013-01-18 05:00:14 AM

trappedspirit: Am I the only one wondering where the details of the farting case is?


Yeah, I had a quick look at the report and I didn't see it, and I'm still waiting for a farker to point out the reference I missed.

I think that the report should have stuck to the claims it could substantiate. It leaves itself open to criticism and the suggestion of being driven by its authors agendas by not doing so. If any Missisipian believes that sending home a kid in black shoes in a cop car for no better reason than his mother hadn't done a good enough job of blackening them is a sound use of state resources, then they're as stupid as too many people already believe they are.
 
2013-01-18 05:37:45 AM
On the other hand... entire state of Mississippi in prison... and nothing of value was lost.
 
2013-01-18 06:25:54 AM

part of the problem: take_flight: I live in New York, and there was a kid from down the street that used to wander up to my yard and scream obscenities at my kids, he threw rocks at my new car in my driveway, he beat the crap out of my son for a football, and beat the crap out of one of my sons friends and stole his bike, and when I called the cops they said there was nothing they could do because he was only 14.

WTFark? Clearly Mississippi and New York are in completely different countries.

Some one beat the crap out of your kid and your response was to make a phone call?

This is why normal people get concerned when New Yorkers start having opinions on how the rest of us protect our families.

Nevermind Mississippi is a third world hell hole as well. New York is just a different kind of third world hell hole.


No. He beat the crap out of my kid at a neighborhood football game that I wasn't at. Another parent split it up. The kid had it out for my kids. Plus you can't grab ahold of other peoples kids because the police WILL arrest adults, and the parents WILL sue. Especially that kids parents...they haven't worked in years!
 
2013-01-18 07:17:18 AM
Can we get this war going so we can burn the south to the ground again?
 
2013-01-18 08:56:49 AM
This is quite timely for a Mom who just spoke to a 9th grade puter 101 teacher about the stupidity of my son getting detention for farting during class. Georgia is so classy. Has high standards you know!
 
2013-01-18 09:30:41 AM
Mississippi school boards have legal powers of arrest? And they can make those arrests for activities that aren't illegal?
 
2013-01-18 11:19:38 AM

Elegy: Abacus9: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Abacus9:
The deep south gets singled out because the problem there is much more prevalent, and the problem is institutionalized like nowhere else in the U.S.

Neat opinion. Shame that's it's flat out false.

In what way is it false? We don't roll that way in the north.

Nope, no evidence of a greater degree of institutional racism in the north. Absolutely none at all. Nothing to see here folks, move it along.

[i.imgur.com image 300x219]


* looks at linked map *

Well, it appears I have put my foot in my mouth. That being said, I freely admit that large parts of my State ( Oregon ), are surprisingly backward, despite the Portland-area "Hipster" image that the rest of the USA has...
 
2013-01-18 01:52:42 PM
Godfarkingdamn. I grew up in a HS that served white trash, but we didn't even have a police officer there. The teachers  actually gave a shiat. I can't imagine going to school somewhere like TFA's hellholes. How do those kids not have lawsuits for trauma? Jesus H. Fark.

/That is seriously disgusting.
 
2013-01-18 02:09:14 PM

CADMonkey79: Forbidden Doughnut: Ennuipoet: Nadie_AZ: F(ck the Deep South.

To be honest I find these people anything but deep,  These are the sort of people that read the Sunday comics with a yellow highlighter in case they stumble across a particularly meaningful passage in Beetle Bailey.
                            --Dennis Miller (before he went crazy)

This has come up in many FARK threads, but we should have let them go back in 1861...IMHO.

And just let them keep slavery going? How would that have played out?


publicintelligence.net

Like china has?
 
2013-01-18 03:15:35 PM

LrdPhoenix: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He-gassen

That is all.


What is this I don't even...
 
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